mountrath mart closing

fergus1001

Just heard today that the mart has closed staff have been notified

sad day

Muckit

I think it will be one of many. Insurance costs have gone through the roof. Commissions will be going one way too... up.

fergus1001

Muckit wrote:

Commissions will be going one way too... up.

that's unsustainable though you increase commissions and you will have less people going to the marts which leaves them in the same position

Joe Daly

The beginning of the end of another part of rural life.

simx

Would of thought balinakill would be shut before Mountrath

Hershall

Strange seeing as they had advertised a number of special sales coming up.
Marts not getting big numbers beginning to feel the pinch now i presume.

Never wrestle with pigs

simx wrote: »

Would of thought balinakill would be shut before Mountrath

So would I. The cattle quality gone to pure dirt in mountrath though. Feck all good export weanlings like a few years ago where you would wait until one in the morning to see what a really good pen would make. Full of dealers dirt being unloaded a few minutes before they are sold and gob****e (me) has his there since dinner time. Dealers waving their hands and laughing at how low they could open an animal. Allot of money to be spent on it to get it up to scratch too. No farmers really buying in it anymore. Roscrea is a better place for quality and prices now. Kilkennys big flash mart starting to get taken over by the dealers too. It's like a poison that slowly killes a place.

Albert Johnson

I would agree that it may be one of more to come, the mart business is coming under increased pressure all the time.

The latest debacle of rising insurance costs coupled with increased safety measures requiring sometimes substantial investment could well be the final nail in the coffin for many. Some older marts may not have a layout that would easily facilitate overhead walkways and safe areas. Even in newer or better designed premises the increase in insurance premiums especially after a claim may be prohibitive to continuing trading.

In area's such as the Connaught there is an abundance of marts in a relatively small area. For example county Leitrim has 4 marts and I can think of 6 within about 40 minutes of a drive from here. It's hard to see a future for all of the marts locally with an ever decreasing number of stock in many areas.
Perhaps as you go further south and marts become less abundant it may prove somewhat of an aid in retaining the few that are still trading. Although I would believe that in more dairy orientated regions that more cattle are traded farm to farm and therefore there's less of a throughput via the live ring. The opposite would be seen in the beef heartlands with the mart still being the main trading hub.

Mart's are traditionally a high turnover but low margin business, with everything that is conspiring against them it is hard to see much of a change in circumstances. Accidents and the resulting insurance claims will occur as will non payers and other losses. These factors can take there toll on an already meagre profit margin. Increasing commission is not a guaranteed solution as many may take there business elsewhere.

I'd have a reasonable understanding of the industy and am involved in one of our local marts. I enjoy the business and see the benefits a thriving mart brings both directly and indirectly to the local economy. However I am well aware of the trials and tribulations facing many marts in the coming years and it's hard not to see the many pitfalls that lie ahead.

J DEERE

A real pity. They had a great night mart on a Thursday there. Used to be super quality weanlings and cattle up there. We often used to go up to put in the night and get the supper up there.

blue5000

I wonder are they owed much money?

kk.man

blue5000 wrote: »

I wonder are they owed much money?

Especially if those dealers are around the place.

fergus1001

blue5000 wrote:

I wonder are they owed much money?

no money owed by anyone and no money owed out to anyone either and that's from the horses mouth

the issue was insurance 4 years ago the insurance was 12k and this year the insurance was 85k on top of this the county council rates were somewhere around 15k that's before anyone was paid or a cow went through a ring

fergus1001

RTE were down outside the mart today so expect a spot on the news at 9 I'd say

biggest controversy here is that shareholders were not consulted or asked about closing the mart

Hurling Hereford

fergus1001 wrote: »

RTE were down outside the mart today so expect a spot on the news at 9 I'd say

biggest controversy here is that shareholders were not consulted or asked about closing the mart

Are you 100% sure about that?

fergus1001

Hurling Hereford wrote:

Are you 100% sure about that?

that's what was said by shareholders no AGM was held

Hurling Hereford

Muckit wrote: »

I think it will be one of many. Insurance costs have gone through the roof. Commissions will be going one way too... up.

A broken leg in England will yield probably about £6,000 to someone who’s had that accident. In Ireland here it’s indefinite; that same injury could cost four or five times that.

Hurling Hereford

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

A broken leg in England will yield probably about £6,000 to someone who’s had that accident. In Ireland here it’s indefinite; that same injury could cost four or five times that.

“Other marts have moved from €7,000 – everybody would have been at that range. We all would have been around that – and some have gone up to €22,000. Another mart [manager] was telling me he was at €14,000; now he’s asked for €28,000 – he has no claims history. It’s just marts can’t afford it.

“The insurance companies have a tendency to settle claims because it’s more cost-effective and, while we understand that, at the end of the day the marts are going to pay for that.” Eimear McGuinness Donegal Co-Op

Hurling Hereford

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

“Other marts have moved from €7,000 – everybody would have been at that range. We all would have been around that – and some have gone up to €22,000. Another mart [manager] was telling me he was at €14,000; now he’s asked for €28,000 – he has no claims history. It’s just marts can’t afford it.

“The insurance companies have a tendency to settle claims because it’s more cost-effective and, while we understand that, at the end of the day the marts are going to pay for that.” Eimear McGuinness Donegal Co-Op

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/were-losing-money-in-marts-fbd-insurance/

Never wrestle with pigs

Surely they can come up with a solution that if you are in the danger zone it's on you?

fergus1001

Never wrestle with pigs wrote:

Surely they can come up with a solution that if you are in the danger zone it's on you?

the mart here do not have the walkways over the pens installed and that's why the insurance is so high for them

Pidae.m

Fella in skibb mart go 30k a few years back when he had his hand in the ring, gate swung back and hit his wrist.

orm0nd

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

A broken leg in England will yield probably about £6,000 to someone who’s had that accident. In Ireland here it’s indefinite; that same injury could cost four or five times that.

a fairly local mart here had a claim for 150k for a fellow getting a kick on the tibia,



forget the outcome but I think eventually about 40, same individual had no business whatso ever in the passage ways

kk.man

Pidae.m wrote: »

Fella in skibb mart go 30k a few years back when he had his hand in the ring, gate swung back and hit his wrist.

I know of a couple of dodggy claims at marts around here. The same claimants I wouldn't trust to cross the road.

Pidae.m

kk.man wrote: »

I know of a couple of dodggy claims at marts around here. The same claimants I wouldn't trust to cross the road.

Ya yer man is a right wanker

Hurling Hereford

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Surely they can come up with a solution that if you are in the danger zone it's on you?

Please explain and thanks in advance

wrangler

kk.man wrote: »

I know of a couple of dodggy claims at marts around here. The same claimants I wouldn't trust to cross the road.

I saw farmers at one mart defying the workers to put them out of the alleys,
Sure farmers have always walked the alleys but they haven't copped on yet that the cattle are a lot wilder and they're so old and bollicske that they can't get outa the way.
Authors of their own misfortune I'd say

memorystick

A lad near me gave false evidence in an insurance case in a horse mart. He said he saw a guy getting a kick and your man sued. The lad who gave the false evidence was good for nothing and had an awful death afterwards. Not saying he deserved it but he wasn't a lot of a yolk.

Never wrestle with pigs

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Please explain and thanks in advance

I mean, if you put yourself at risk, in the alleyways in a mart, or in the pens etc. Even if you step foot in the general penning and crush area, it's at your own risk.

We've all done it. I'm not a fan of not being able to see cattle in pens either, but if I do go to a pen to have a look and get a kick it's my fault. CCTV in all the areas.

Plenty of signage that you are entering certain areas at your own risk etc. I'm sure that they can come up with something like that and hopefully lower the insurance in the marts and let them stay open?

Mooooo

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

I mean, if you put yourself at risk, in the alleyways in a mart, or in the pens etc. Even if you step foot in the general penning and crush area, it's at your own risk.

We've all done it. I'm not a fan of not being able to see cattle in pens either, but if I do go to a pen to have a look and get a kick it's my fault. CCTV in all the areas.

Plenty of signage that you are entering certain areas at your own risk etc. I'm sure that they can come up with something like that and hopefully lower the insurance in the marts and let them stay open?

Plenty of those signs mean nothing. A sign won't absolve anything in the eyes of the law. The only way would be to have anyone in the mart to sign a disclaimer or whatever it would be called and even then I don't know if that would hold legally

Grueller

Mooooo wrote: »

Plenty of those signs mean nothing. A sign won't absolve anything in the eyes of the law. The only way would be to have anyone in the mart to sign a disclaimer or whatever it would be called and even then I don't know if that would hold legally

Even the disclaimers don't hold according to a mate who is a solicitor. He says the precedent has been set that if an occupier shows even the slightest negligence the disclaimer is null and void. Negligence could be as simple as cowsh1t making the floor slippy, not enough drovers, the gate to the penning area left unlocked.

anthony500_1

Society as a hole has become very much a happy to sue culture, like America, personally I don't agree with scammers making a living from mine and yours insurance policy, if someone is genuine then a fair amount for let's say loss of earnings if out of work, and then a set fee like England has, broken leg 5k broken finger 1k etc it would cut a lot of court case out completely. I think in the marts it's a ridiculous idea to think I can walk down the chutes with cattle coming again me, get a kick or get trampled on, all from my own stupidity, and then turn around and say well I didn't know I was not supposed to be there and take the Mart to court for neglect of a duty of care. And take a large sum of money off there insurance. It really does annoy me.

patsy_mccabe

Remember that the legal profession have to make a living too. Since the collapse of the building trade, I think a lot went down this route.
I know someone who crashed into the back of someone. It was a small tip and the driver got out of the front car and walked around fine. Turns out they have put in a large claim since. You'll never quess what they do for a living.

_Brian

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

“The insurance companies have a tendency to settle claims because it’s more cost-effective and, while we understand that, at the end of the day the marts are going to pay for that.” Eimear McGuinness Donegal Co-Op

That’s not always true.

I had a claim against FBD following an RTA.

FBD faught, faught dragging it out for years even though every specialist report theirs and mine agreed, they wanted more and more evidence which was all reporting the same results.
Five years they racked up more and more costs, medical, legal, travel everything spiralled upwards.

Then, at a settlement meeting they voided the business insurance and left the business on the hook for a huge bill. I was astonished at what happened as was my solicitor and barrister.

20silkcut

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Remember that the legal profession have to make a living too. Since the collapse of the building trade, I think a lot went down this route.
I know someone who crashed into the back of someone. It was a small tip and the driver got out of the front car and walked around fine. Turns out they have put in a large claim since. You'll never quess what they do for a living.

Yes the legal profession makes a fortune from these cases. It is their bread and butter. And they are immune to political pressure and interference. So nothing will change.
Claims and awards it seems can rise and rise but when it is suggested to reduce them they can’t budge.

jaymla627

Off-duty guard hit the front wheel of tractor here while overtaking as I was pulling into filling station, copped him in my mirror in time and locked on brakes, minimal damage to car but of course the guard was in a awful way with soft tissue damage(his 3rd time to claim for the same injury) the poor chap had to take 4 months of work, bombarded with solicitor letters etc about settling....
Witnesses present verified my story about dangerous driving on our mans part, but guards where having none of it, the pictures his girlfriend put up on fb of the prick in France three days after the accident and the poor chap supposedly not able to move came in fierce handy then, forwarded them in to insurance company and he didn’t get a penny, still got done myself for reckless driving in court but we all know how the guards look after their own

wrangler

jaymla627 wrote: »

Off-duty guard hit the front wheel of tractor here while overtaking as I was pulling into filling station, copped him in my mirror in time and locked on brakes, minimal damage to car but of course the guard was in a awful way with soft tissue damage(his 3rd time to claim for the same injury) the poor chap had to take 4 months of work, bombarded with solicitor letters etc about settling....
Witnesses present verified my story about dangerous driving on our mans part, but guards where having none of it, the pictures his girlfriend put up on fb of the prick in France three days after the accident and the poor chap supposedly not able to move came in fierce handy then, forwarded them in to insurance company and he didn’t get a penny, still got done myself for reckless driving in court but we all know how the guards look after their own

About thirty years ago we were at silage and my driver that was drawing silage was turning left in a gate when Mark Kilileas driver rear ended the trailer, hitting it that hard that it drove the tractor into the concrete gate pier taking it out of it, Kilileas driver was a guard and my driver got done for dangerous driving...... tbf we had no indicators but his skid marks were over 100 yds with a fancy black merc

Joe Daly

Went to pay my gaa membership to day the club official handed me application form to fill out then he will take my membership data protection. Remember a time when life was simple, as regards guards the local sergent called at home one day it was after dinner my poor mother had just washed the floor he slipped on it looked for money and it was not official business he was on.

kk.man

Joe Daly wrote: »

Went to pay my gaa membership to day the club official handed me application form to fill out then he will take my membership data protection. Remember a time when life was simple, as regards guards the local sergent called at home one day it was after dinner my poor mother had just washed the floor he slipped on it looked for money and it was not official business he was on.

FFS

bogman_bass

Where will the stock that went to mount rate go to now?

fergus1001

bogman_bass wrote:

Where will the stock that went to mount rate go to now?

Roscrea Tullamore or ballinakill or carlow

big blow to the area fair trip to some of those spots

Hurling Hereford

fergus1001 wrote: »

Roscrea Tullamore or ballinakill or carlow

big blow to the area fair trip to some of those spots

Or the 'super' mart in Cillin Hill, Kilkenny?

simx

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Or the 'super' mart in Cillin Hill, Kilkenny?

Carlow or balinakill wouldn’t be much better

patsy_mccabe

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Or the 'super' mart in Cillin Hill, Kilkenny?

What is that mart like to sell or buy in?

Hurling Hereford

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

What is that mart like to sell or buy in?

Kilkenny Marts' livestock sales take place each week, attracting up to 1,000 farmers or dealers to buy or sell, even browse. Monday, Sheep sales (Dairy stock January to May and October to December) Tuesday, Calves (February to June) and Weanlings (September to December) and Thursday, All classes of adult cattle

3 the square

fergus1001 wrote: »

Roscrea Tullamore or ballinakill or carlow

big blow to the area fair trip to some of those spots

What kind of numbers had they weekly to warrant closing??

Dakota Dan

Grueller wrote: »

Even the disclaimers don't hold according to a mate who is a solicitor. He says the precedent has been set that if an occupier shows even the slightest negligence the disclaimer is null and void. Negligence could be as simple as cowsh1t making the floor slippy, not enough drovers, the gate to the penning area left unlocked.

My son was go carting in Cork last night and had to sign a disclaimer first, he had 2 crashes black and blue today, time will heal those wounds quickly. I'd say if someone got seriously injured their disclaimer wouldn't be worth Jack Schitt in a court. There was a quad track in Blarney years ago and they had to close as they couldn't insurance.

Dakota Dan

wrangler wrote: »

About thirty years ago we were at silage and my driver that was drawing silage was turning left in a gate when Mark Kilileas driver rear ended the trailer, hitting it that hard that it drove the tractor into the concrete gate pier taking it out of it, Kilileas driver was a guard and my driver got done for dangerous driving...... tbf we had no indicators but his skid marks were over 100 yds with a fancy black merc

There was a local Garda bash in a hotel here years ago and a garda crashed into another car going home from it, nothing came of it after and everything was hushed up :mad:

fergus1001

3 the square wrote:

What kind of numbers had they weekly to warrant closing??

I think there were roughly 500 head going in but I've seen an awful lot of no sales in there

Dakota Dan

Sharon had a fly annoy her while doing the report, she kept going even though she didn't look too happy

Never wrestle with pigs

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

What is that mart like to sell or buy in?

Ok for a local. Can be hot and cold. Some days though they really take the piss dividing up cattle or knocking them down to the "lads"

Never wrestle with pigs

bogman_bass wrote: »

Where will the stock that went to mount rate go to now?

Say most will end up in roscrea. It's a good mart to be fair. David takes no ****e from the goons. It's not very far from mountrath. Anything the other direction of say will go to tullamore. The Thursday night sale was deadly handy though.