Car seized, thinking of just letting it get crushed

SillySituation

Car got seized today by the Gardaí , I know I know, idiot.

Curious though, he said it’s 25 per night it’s in the compound, and if I don’t claim it after thirty days the car gets crushed. The car is a cheap runaround only worth about 2 hundred quid.

So my question is, if I left the car to get crushed would I have to pay the thirty odd days of it being in the compound anyway? I’d rather use the money to buy a newer car than pay what I have to to get the car back

emeldc

Why was it seized. No tax? I think you have to tax it as well.

SillySituation

emeldc wrote: »

Why was it seized. No tax? I think you have to tax it as well.

Yeah no tax. I only have to tax it if I want to get the car back.

If I don’t want to get the car back can I just leave it unclaimed and let them crush it, without being liable for the 25 per night charge?

The car isn’t worth the money I have to pay to get it back you see

emeldc

SillySituation wrote: »

Yeah no tax. I only have to tax it if I want to get the car back.

If I don’t want to get the car back can I just leave it unclaimed and let them crush it, without being liable for the 25 per night charge?

The car isn’t worth the money I have to pay to get it back you see

Yea, not sure TBH. Surely they’ll hit you for something whether you pick it up or not. Like a summons for no tax or no tax displayed. It might actually be cheaper to tax the car for a few months than take a chance on a heavy fine.

Wildly Boaring

emeldc wrote: »

Yea, not sure TBH. Surely they’ll hit you for something whether you pick it up or not. Like a summons for no tax or no tax displayed. It might actually be cheaper to tax the car for a few months than take a chance on a heavy fine.

OP will get the fine regardless for driving without tax, I assume.

Might be worth just letting them have it alright. But making sure you actually pay the fine and not end up in front of a judge.

redcup342

SillySituation wrote: »

Yeah no tax. I only have to tax it if I want to get the car back.

If I don’t want to get the car back can I just leave it unclaimed and let them crush it, without being liable for the 25 per night charge?

The car isn’t worth the money I have to pay to get it back you see

I'm pretty sure you get stiffed for the Storage (750 euros) plus the fine for no Tax + Points.

tuxy

redcup342 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you get stiffed for the Storage (750 euros) plus the fine for no Tax + Points.

No tax now has the penalty of points added to your licence? Since when ?

Wildly Boaring

redcup342 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you get stiffed for the Storage (750 euros) plus the fine for no Tax + Points.

No points for tax

pablo128

Leave it there. You won't hear anything back from them. A friend of mine did it about a year ago with an old Micra with no tax.

My sister had her car lifted about the same time. 130 storage plus 25 or 35 a day. She had hers back the next day for around 160 if I remember right.

PrettyBoy

redcup342 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you get stiffed for the Storage (750 euros) plus the fine for no Tax + Points.

Penalty points for no tax? Who told you that?

OP, you'll get a fine of €60 in the post for driving with no tax and that will be it. Start looking for your new motor tomorrow.

SillySituation

redcup342 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you get stiffed for the Storage (750 euros)

Hmm, don't want to chance this

corks finest

SillySituation wrote: »

redcup342 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you get stiffed for the Storage (750 euros)

Hmm, don't want to chance this

Then tax your car, FFS no excuses

ED E

Around 30% of the cars Dublin City Council impound are never collected and scrapped after time elapses. If fees were recouped this would unlikely be this high.


Unfortunately the "pool car" phenomenon isn't really dealt with punitively. Though even if we did try we can't add attachment orders to SW payments anyways so what would it do....

Kevin Finnerty

corks finest wrote: »

Then tax your car, FFS no excuses

If he was going to tax it he wouldn't be car less now. Id let them squash it OP.

Sir Galahad

Back tax the car, pay the few days storage and get the car back. Then go talk to the Garda that seized your car nicely and see if he will drop the charge of driving with no tax. You really do not want to piss away a morning in the courts waiting to be talked down to by the judge while sitting among scum bags and car thieves. If you want to test out my last sentence then go to the traffic court in Blanchardstown and sit there for a morning.

Ultimate Seduction

Happened me last summer OP. Let them keep it, wasn't charged anything. I did have to pay the standard fine for no tax though.

SillySituation

corks finest wrote: »

Then tax your car, FFS no excuses

....nah

SillySituation

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Happened me last summer OP. Let them keep it, wasn't charged anything. I did have to pay the standard fine for no tax though.

Yeah I've no problem paying the 60 euro fine for no tax.
It's the back tax of about 200 odd euro, 125 euro tow charge, the 25 per night fee, car isn't worth that money

SillySituation

Sir Galahad wrote: »

You really do not want to piss away a morning in the courts waiting to be talked down to by the judge while sitting among scum bags and car thieves.

Why would I end up in court, I'm not trying to dodge the fine!

tuxy

Yup this is what many people do. Just drive a cheap car with no tax. Avoud the usual locations that have traffic stops. In smaller towns this is easy. Pay the small fine if your unlucky and de prepared to surrender the worthless car. Cheap motoring!

CiniO

SillySituation wrote: »

Yeah no tax. I only have to tax it if I want to get the car back.

That is not true.

You are entitled to get your car back, regardless if you tax it or not.
Car is your property and you can get it back.

Skylinehead

CiniO wrote: »

That is not true.

You are entitled to get your car back, regardless if you tax it or not.
Car is your property and you can get it back.

May not be the smartest thing driving out of a Garda compound with them and you knowing you've still got no tax...I guess you could get it towed.

Henry Ford III

CiniO wrote: »

That is not true.

You are entitled to get your car back, regardless if you tax it or not.
Car is your property and you can get it back.

You've got to pay the Piper sometime.

ohnonotgmail

CiniO wrote: »

That is not true.

You are entitled to get your car back, regardless if you tax it or not.
Car is your property and you can get it back.

if you want to get the car back without paying the tax you have to tow it out. They will not let you drive it out. You are still liable for the other fees.

emeldc

CiniO wrote: »

That is not true.

You are entitled to get your car back, regardless if you tax it or not.
Car is your property and you can get it back.

And the minute you drive it out the gate they can seize it again .......... because it's not taxed :rolleyes:
I've no experience of this but what would be the point of taking it in the first place if they just allow it back on the road again without it being taxed.

Edit; If you have to tow it out, that would make more sense.

Isambard

you'd have to pay the towing and storage fees I guess

corks finest

SillySituation wrote: »

corks finest wrote: »

Then tax your car, FFS no excuses

....nah

So ppl here happy with a guy who doesent pay car tax,same applies to no insurance/ NCT idiots also?

CiniO

Nixonbot wrote: »

May not be the smartest thing driving out of a Garda compound with them and you knowing you've still got no tax...I guess you could get it towed.

Henry Ford III wrote: »

You've got to pay the Piper sometime.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

if you want to get the car back without paying the tax you have to tow it out. They will not let you drive it out. You are still liable for the other fees.

emeldc wrote: »

And the minute you drive it out the gate they can seize it again .......... because it's not taxed :rolleyes:
I've no experience of this but what would be the point of taking it in the first place if they just allow it back on the road again without it being taxed.

Edit; If you have to tow it out, that would make more sense.

Obviously you can't drive it on public road. But nothing stopping you to get it towed.

Reason why cars gets impounded when detected with no tax, is because they can't allow you to drive away or park the car in public place. That's why they need to have it towed away.

ohnonotgmail

CiniO wrote: »

Obviously you can't drive it on public road. But nothing stopping you to get it towed.

You have just repeated back the posts you quoted.

CiniO wrote: »

Reason why cars gets impounded when detected with no tax, is because they can't allow you to drive away or park the car in public place. That's why they need to have it towed away.

we know that

tuxy

I know a few people that rarely tax their car and have been caught a few times but not had the car taken off them.
Paying the fine has worked out much cheaper than paying tax so their is no incentive for them to change.

When caught they just tax the car for 3 months and pay the small fine the don't bother to renew the tax after 3 months.

Gregor Samsa

tuxy wrote: »

When caught they just tax the car for 3 months and pay the small fine the don't bother to renew the tax after 3 months.

Do you not have to pay the back tax before you can pay for the tax going forward?

Johnnyhpipe

You have 30 minutes to remove your car

You have 10 minutes

Your car has been crushed into a cube

You have 30 minutes to move your cube...

ewj1978

lad I know has a 370z. Think its 1800 a year to tax(probably wrong on that). He's never taxed it. Been stopped twice. Paid the fines. Still no tax.
Car has insurance and a valid NCT though.

Captain Obvious

You can sign a form allowing them to strip it and crush it straight away.

tuxy

phutyle wrote: »

Do you not have to pay the back tax before you can pay for the tax going forward?

Yes but the change the car over and back between a relative so there is never an excessive amount of back tax owed.

It's been years since any of the ones I know have been caught has that loophole been closed yet?
Sometimes they will tax it for 3 months if they know they will be doing a lot of driving in a City they are not very familiar with.

tuxy

tuxy wrote: »

Yup this is what many people do. Just drive a cheap car with no tax. Avoud the usual locations that have traffic stops. In smaller towns this is easy. Pay the small fine if your unlucky and de prepared to surrender the worthless car. Cheap motoring!

Also, They usually keep on driving when they hit someone’s parked car or pedestrian.*

*fact

kona

tuxy wrote: »

Yup this is what many people do. Just drive a cheap car with no tax. Avoud the usual locations that have traffic stops. In smaller towns this is easy. Pay the small fine if your unlucky and de prepared to surrender the worthless car. Cheap motoring!

Outstanding motoring too.

Macdarack

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

No points for tax

But it is there points for no tax?

Tacitus Kilgore

corks finest wrote: »

So ppl here happy with a guy who doesent pay car tax,same applies to no insurance/ NCT idiots also?

...Nah

bilbot79

Pay motor tax or don't drive!

tuxy

bilbot79 wrote: »

Pay motor tax or don't drive!

Compelling argument, I'm sure you have convinced the majority of tax dodgers.
Could they not reduce tax rate slightly but greatly increase the penalty of being caught. Would be much fairer.

Gravelly

tuxy wrote: »

Compelling argument, I'm sure you have convinced the majority of tax dodgers.
Could they not reduce tax rate slightly but greatly increase the penalty of being caught. Would be much fairer.

Or better still, scrap motor tax altogether and put it on fuel. Much harder to dodge (unless you live in a border county!) and much fairer as you are effectively taxed on the amount of driving you do.

tuxy

Gravelly wrote: »

Or better still, scrap motor tax altogether and put it on fuel. Much harder to dodge (unless you live in a border county!) and much fairer as you are effectively taxed on the amount of driving you do.

How exactly would that work with the plan to move as many to electric cars as possible in the coming years.
They would need a system in place to tax car charging separately from household electricity.

ELM327

Gravelly wrote: »

Or better still, scrap motor tax altogether and put it on fuel. Much harder to dodge (unless you live in a border county!) and much fairer as you are effectively taxed on the amount of driving you do.

It's already on fuel, Over 50% of the cost of a litre of petrol or derv is tax.

ewj1978 wrote: »

lad I know has a 370z. Think its 1800 a year to tax(probably wrong on that). He's never taxed it. Been stopped twice. Paid the fines. Still no tax.
Car has insurance and a valid NCT though.

tuxy wrote: »

Yes but the change the car over and back between a relative so there is never an excessive amount of back tax owed.

It's been years since any of the ones I know have been caught has that loophole been closed yet?
Sometimes they will tax it for 3 months if they know they will be doing a lot of driving in a City they are not very familiar with.

If you bring the car out of the impound on a trailer you don't pay the back tax.
Then switcheroo the owners and it disappears (legally, the liability for tax ends on change of ownership)

kona

tuxy wrote: »

How exactly would that work with the plan to move as many to electric cars as possible in the coming years.
They would need a system in place to tax car charging separately from household electricity.

Well all you have to do is charge them to plug in at a charging point.

Gravelly

tuxy wrote: »

How exactly would that work with the plan to move as many to electric cars as possible in the coming years.
They would need a system in place to tax car charging separately from household electricity.

They've two choices - either increase tax considerably on electric cars, or when (if) electric cars become the norm, tax the users who have chargers.

ELM327

tuxy wrote: »

How exactly would that work with the plan to move as many to electric cars as possible in the coming years.
They would need a system in place to tax car charging separately from household electricity.

Considering the Irish EV Owners Association recently cited a report from ESB showing that over 95% of charging of EVs was done at home, I don't think that will be possible.


I think in future there will be a per diem rate to drive on the roads. IE a "pence per mile" tax.

Gravelly

ELM327 wrote: »

It's already on fuel, Over 50% of the cost of a litre of petrol or derv is tax.

It's not, if it was, there wouldn't be car tax.

If you are saying "we're being doubly screwed" you'd be right.

ELM327

Gravelly wrote: »

They've two choices - either increase tax considerably on electric cars, or when (if) electric cars become the norm, tax the users who have chargers.

They won't be able to do the first one, as due to EU emissions fines pending we have to increase not reduce EV uptake.


The second one is interesting, but I think the easiest and clearest one and the one that will probably be implemented is as I said above a usage tax per KM driven.

tuxy

Gravelly wrote: »

They've two choices - either increase tax considerably on electric cars, or when (if) electric cars become the norm, tax the users who have chargers.

I would imagine the plan is to keep the tax rate low on electric to encourage uptake then start raising the price over time once it gets to a level where it has a real impact on tax collection.
We will eventually meet the EU emissions target even if we are very late and at that point they will tax electric cars more aggressively.

Gravelly

ELM327 wrote: »

I think in future there will be a per diem rate to drive on the roads. IE a "pence per mile" tax.

That's a distinct possibility, especially since the technology to enforce it will already be in the car.