Sleeping through safety demo

Under His Eye

Is it illegal for passengers to sleep during the safety demo?

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Under His Eye wrote: »

Is it illegal for passengers to sleep during the safety demo?

Can't see why it would be but it's probably not a good idea not knowing where the exits are

Under His Eye

There is a command given to remove headphones which seems to be enforced.

vicwatson

Such an antisocial thing and rude behaviour tbf. The very ones that would cause obstructions etc in the event of an emergency

Under His Eye

But is it against any laws?

Westernyelp

Under His Eye wrote:

But is it against any laws?

Of course not

VG31

The last Aer Lingus flight I was on they didn't even do a safety demo!

Sleeper12

You must remove over ear headphones (not in ear). This annoys me. I've been on enough flights that I could do the safety thing myself. My headphones are noise cancelling because I'm autistic & they keep my stress levels down.

I can't imagine that it's ever illegal to be asleep except when in control of a vehicle. I admire anyone that can fall asleep before take off. I mean it's usually minutes between getting settled & the safety demo

Sleeper12

VG31 wrote:

The last Aer Lingus flight I was on they didn't even do a safety demo!

Now that is illegal as far as I know.

goingnowhere

If they played the video then no demo is required

NH2013

Well, it's illegal/against the law not to follow crew instructions related to safety, so if you are instructed to "Pay attention as we go through the safety features of this aircraft" and instead you sleep through it that would technically be breaking the law and an offence on board an aircraft.

California Dreamer

VG31 wrote: »

The last Aer Lingus flight I was on they didn't even do a safety demo!

I find that very hard to believe!

VG31

goingnowhere wrote: »

If they played the video then no demo is required

It was an A320 so there were no screens. All they said was to look at the safety card if you hadn't flown the aircraft type in a while.

john boye

Sometimes I look at CC half-heartedly demonstrating how to put on the life jacket and realise I wouldn't have a bull's notion how to put it on if something happened.

elperello

Even if you are a frequent flyer it is a courtesy to the cabin crew to at least appear to be taking notice.

Laphroaig52

VG31 wrote: »

It was an A320 so there were no screens. All they said was to look at the safety card if you hadn't flown the aircraft type in a while.

Hmmmm.....I'd say you might have dozed off......

TheChizler

California Dreamer wrote: »

I find that very hard to believe!

They were probably asleep...

WoollyRedHat

Under His Eye wrote: »

Is it illegal for passengers to sleep during the safety demo?

Yes they withhold the masks for those who don't pay attention in the event of a crash AFAIK.

Victor

You should also be awake for take-off and landing - the times when incidents are most likely.

Stovepipe

VG31 wrote: »

It was an A320 so there were no screens. All they said was to look at the safety card if you hadn't flown the aircraft type in a while.

is this for real? CCs not doing the safety demo is a sackable offense and the Captain would get a bollocking of the highest order for tolerating it. the IAA would certainly take issue with it.

markpb

elperello wrote: »

Even if you are a frequent flyer it is a courtesy to the cabin crew to at least appear to be taking notice.

Do the cabin crew really care? Thousands of passengers a day, different faces each time, say the same thing, know that in the event of an emergency, most people will rely on instructions then, not instructions they were only half listening to prior to take off. I find it hard to believe they’d take it personally if someone was asleep. Talking, distracting others maybe but sleeping, I doubt it.

HTCOne

It's a legal requirement yes, as is enforcing the seatbelt sign on the ground etc. Random inspections ARE carried out by regulators, non compliance results in absolutely eye watering fines and possible firing for the crews. As anyone who deals with the regulator knows, once you cross them on one issue they suddenly become very inquisitive and interfering on a plethora of other issues.

elperello

markpb wrote: »

Do the cabin crew really care? Thousands of passengers a day, different faces each time, say the same thing, know that in the event of an emergency, most people will rely on instructions then, not instructions they were only half listening to prior to take off. I find it hard to believe they’d take it personally if someone was asleep. Talking, distracting others maybe but sleeping, I doubt it.

Possibly not but like I say it's just a courtesy.
It's not that hard to sit up and look interested for a couple of minutes.

VG31

Stovepipe wrote: »

is this for real? CCs not doing the safety demo is a sackable offense and the Captain would get a bollocking of the highest order for tolerating it. the IAA would certainly take issue with it.

Unless they were doing it silently past the exit rows, there's no way I would have missed it. I was sitting near the front where there were very little people but I would have at lease heard it if they did it.

stormanimal

VG31 wrote: »

Unless they were doing it silently past the exit rows, there's no way I would have missed it. I was sitting near the front where there were very little people but I would have at lease heard it if they did it.

I find this quite unbelievable to be honest. It wouldn't happen and there are set procedures in place so the cabin crew wouldn't have forgotten not to do it. Not to do it would be a major breach in safety and standard operating procedures.

I'd say you wasn't paying attention or must have fallen asleep.

VG31

stormanimal wrote: »

I find this quite unbelievable to be honest. It wouldn't happen and there are set procedures in place so the cabin crew wouldn't have forgotten not to do it. Not to do it would be a major breach in safety and standard operating procedures.

I'd say you wasn't paying attention or must have fallen asleep.

I find it hard to believe it myself but I can't sleep on planes and always make a point of listening to the safety demonstrations.

There were definitely no cabin crew in front of me doing the demo, it's possible there were some behind me.

Maybe I did somehow completely zone out for 5 minutes but I find that very unlikely (albeit looking back it's also unlikely that they didn't do it).

Locker10a

VG31 wrote: »

I find it hard to believe it myself but I can't sleep on planes and always make a point of listening to the safety demonstrations.

There were definitely no cabin crew in front of me doing the demo, it's possible there were some behind me.

Maybe I did somehow completely zone out for 5 minutes but I find that very unlikely (albeit looking back it's also unlikely that they didn't do it).

An EI a320 typically carries 4 cabin crew, I’m going to go there and say I think it’s impossible that 4 cabin crew who’s raison d'être is onboard safety all forgot about doing the safety demo.
I find on EI the demo is done promptly after door closure so it likely you somehow missed it, perhaps with earphones in finishing texts or emails?

bigar

I fly as good as every week and always pay attention to the safety demonstration. The reason is that when an emergency occurs, people will panic and may actually forget what they have been told a long time ago. When it is fresh in their mind, this is less likely.

Case in point: https://www.heart.co.uk/lifestyle/flight-safety-demo-selfie/

Jack1985

VG31 wrote: »

The last Aer Lingus flight I was on they didn't even do a safety demo!

Complete bull sorry. Most flight deck in EI listen in on the cabin for situational awareness in relation to knowing when they will be ready and the situation in the cabin (all this in addition to a secure call), not doing a demo wouldn't fly so to speak and It is unheard of frankly that Cabin Crew wouldn't carry out a demo the point of it being their sole purpose on board.

Doctors room ghost

I do give the pilot a round of applause when they land.im old school. The missus pretends not to know me though when I do it.

gctest50

Victor wrote: »

You should also be awake for take-off and landing - the times when incidents are most likely.

It won't end well if it loses power on takeoff

end up like this yoke, mini mushroom cloud :

Hoboo

VG31 wrote: »

I find it hard to believe it myself but I can't sleep on planes and always make a point of listening to the safety demonstrations.

There were definitely no cabin crew in front of me doing the demo, it's possible there were some behind me.

Maybe I did somehow completely zone out for 5 minutes but I find that very unlikely (albeit looking back it's also unlikely that they didn't do it).

I've been on 2 EI flights with no demo, but it was 9/10.years ago. Just read the card. That was the instruction. So you're not crazy.

gctest50

gctest50 wrote: »

It won't end well if it loses power on takeoff

end up like this yoke, mini mushroom cloud :

That was an attempt at a low-speed flyover at an airshow, and amazingly out of 130 passengers there were only 3 fatalities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_296

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Flown quite a few times this year and the last couple of years

And I have to say every flight had a safety demo of some discription.

Are Lingus, Ryanair, Veuling - the basic A320 with no screens so the standard safety demo of the cabin crew on the aisle demonstrating the seatbelts , life vest etc.

I do look up at these to be honest, but really it's only to look to see if the cabin crew are going to fall into fits of laughter from being "Morto" doing the demo.... Which has happened many a time !

The two I remember very well are from British Airways and American Airlines because they went off and did videos that were funny, different or interesting

BA here : https://youtu.be/RedV-KyXWO4

I saw that BA one and found it interesting and funny so I remembered it and paid much attention to it and I thought it was a good way to get people's attention

The American one : https://youtu.be/LXb28mVZiJo

Saw this one this year and again it was different and interesting so I paid a lot of attention to it.

Now I know each airline put a lot of effort and money into making them but it did make the difference, each of those flights the passengers were glued to the screens and we're happy to watch, some commenting how good they were.

And it makes a difference from the 2/3 people standing down the aisle showing you how to plug in seatbelt.

If they do it up a bit and make it a bit fun or interesting I think people will pay attention regardless and could save lives if the unfortunate were to happen !

shar01

Take off and landing - as Billy Connolly calls it - "maiming height".

Some years ago RTE 2 (I think) ran a series called "How to survive a....". The plane crash one stood out because the programme explained the reason behind the actions of the safety demonstration.

The safety belt one was interesting. An off duty pilot was flying with the great unwashed. There was an emergency landing. When it was time to get out (in a hurry) he struggled to get out because he kept pressing the belt buckle (like a car seat belt). The brain does funny things when under pressure.

I only fly 3/4 times a year and I always pay attention to the demo.

DOCARCH

shar01 wrote: »

The safety belt one was interesting. An off duty pilot was flying with the great unwashed. There was an emergency landing. When it was time to get out (in a hurry) he struggled to get out because he kept pressing the belt buckle (like a car seat belt). The brain does funny things when under pressure.

That has always stuck with me since seeing that programme.

By the way, I was on a United flight from Newark to Dublin last summer where there was no safety demo. Announcement made to read the safety card. I was quite shocked! On United aircraft to Ireland, there are no screens, so no safety video either.

The Bishop Basher

I was on an EI flight about 2 years ago with no safety demo..

I thought it was strange but it was a late night flight and we were rushing to depart so I didn’t pay much heed at the time. I just wanted to get home.

I don’t sleep on planes so I know for sure it wasn’t done..

realdanbreen

Luciano Prehistoric Mistletoe wrote: »

Can't see why it would be but it's probably not a good idea not knowing where the exits are

But you don't need a demo to see where the exits are, they are clearly marked. As for the rest of the safety demo, a complete waste of time. Assuming anyone is left alive after the plane hits the water/land/mountain it will then be complete chaos anyway with bodies dead & alive all over the place.

yoke

I think the safety stuff is directed towards the case of an emergency landing rather than a full-on crash.

I’m guessing it would help reduce fatalities or serious injuries in the case of the plane actually landing and hitting obstacles at lower speeds (like car crash speeds)

The instructions regarding oxygen masks deploying in the case of cabin depressurisation could also help save some lives in those situations, as many planes which had a loss of cabin pressure due to various reasons including hull breaches have landed successfully in the past with minimal loss of life.

stormanimal

Rennaws wrote: »

I was on an EI flight about 2 years ago with no safety demo..

I thought it was strange but it was a late night flight and we were rushing to depart so I didn’t pay much heed at the time. I just wanted to get home.

I don’t sleep on planes so I know for sure it wasn’t done..

The cabin crew would always do a safety demonstration. It's a huge part of SOP. After the safety demo, the crew would have secured the cabin. Did the crew not secure the cabin too?

I think you answered your own answer in your question not paying much heed at the time.

Tenger

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I do give the pilot a round of applause when they land.im old school. The missus pretends not to know me though when I do it.

Thats just trolling.......but I do applaud your idea!



As for the safety demo. When I used to do them (15+ years ago now) I would note the ppl not paying attention or chatting to their neighbours. Anyone who talked loudly was asked to pipe down. Those who didnt pay attention didnt make me feel insulted but I did silently and internally have less respect for them. As for ppl sleeping, well at the time we never had an instruction that they HAD to pay attention. As above, it is a courtesy given and a courtesy to listen.

Its like when I am in a restaurant, Im 90% not going to order the special but I'll give the waiter/waitress my attention while they tell me about it. (these days its usually its something with kale, quinoa or similar trendy veg!)

realdanbreen wrote: »

But you don't need a demo to see where the exits are, they are clearly marked. As for the rest of the safety demo, a complete waste of time. Assuming anyone is left alive after the plane hits the water/land/mountain it will then be complete chaos anyway with bodies dead & alive all over the place.

-Exits can be hidden behind toilets and galley areas. Most people note the door they boarded through and any they pass enroute to their seat. If you are in row 6, how many rows to the window exit behind you? Do you note it as you stowed your bag? My missus dislikes my long held habit of looking around the plane when we take our seats. "You dont work here anymore, stop pretending that you do" I even find my self checking door handles when I get into an unfamiliar car or on the bus.
-Seat belts are there mostly to keep ppl in place in case of sudden severe turbulence and to prevent ragdoll effects in a hard/crash landing.
-Loss of pressure happens not too rarely, knowing about the drop down mask will keep you conscious (assuming you pull it down and put it on)
-I do agree that many fatal accidents have been catastrophic and not safety demo would hlp but over the last 10 years we have seen many incidents that have resulted in a surprisingly high survivial rate. This is down to safer aircraft, luck and ppl following instructions.
AF off the runway at Toronto, Delta off the runway at La Gauardia (evac selfies and tweets), BA fire in Vegas, Hudson River ditching, Ryanair, AA B767 evacuation on taxiway (with evac selfies again), gear collapse in Rome, Southwest loss of pressure last year, B777 runway impact in SFO (think it was China Airlines?)

But again, they info is given as a courtesy to those who want to avail of it. If you feel you dont need it then it never bothered me when I worked there, it doesnt bother me now. Unless of course you are one of those ppl who dont pay attention and think they can go to the toilet just before takeoff or landing.

TCM

Under His Eye wrote:

Is it illegal for passengers to sleep during the safety demo?

No.

The Bishop Basher

stormanimal wrote: »

The cabin crew would always do a safety demonstration. It's a huge part of SOP. After the safety demo, the crew would have secured the cabin. Did the crew not secure the cabin too?

I think you answered your own answer in your question not paying much heed at the time.

I said I didn’t pay much much heed to the fact that there was no safety demo.

I travel regularly and always watch it out of courtesy for the stewards if nothing else.

There was no safety demo on this flight.

If there’s was, I would have watched it as I always do.

NSAman

I dont particularly pay attention to the safety instructions.

I DO pay attention to:

1. Where the nearest door exit is.
2. Where the life vest is located
3. If there are any people between me and the door who are going to take time to get off the plane in the event of an emergency.
4. What’s on the menu

MrMusician18

There's always been a safety demo on flights I've been on. The only breach of SOP I've ever noticed was landing in darkness at Heathrow, the BA crew didn't instruct that window blinds be raised, nor did they go around and raise them themselves.

Doctors room ghost

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I do give the pilot a round of applause when they land.im old school. The missus pretends not to know me though when I do it.

Never fly again. I *hate* you. So much.

Hyperbolic? Yes, but if I were sitting beside you I’d be moaning “please stop pleeeaaasssee” in the most obnoxious way while staring at you until you stopped and looked.

Do the decent thing and thank the captain at the end. Reserve the claps for bad weather or a post-incident landing. You demean yourself otherwise.

NSAman

MrMusician18 wrote: »

There's always been a safety demo on flights I've been on. The only breach of SOP I've ever noticed was landing in darkness at Heathrow, the BA crew didn't instruct that window blinds be raised, nor did they go around and raise them themselves.

On most American Airlines flights i have been on, they dont go around raising the blinds, which I find odd.

On a Aero Mexicano flight, we took off and there was no safety announcement, in fact the plane took off so quickly, most people had not got their seat belts sorted... Strangest flight I have ever been on. Not one of the stewards checked anything.

artanevilla

Those 'funny' safety videos are all well when you watch them the first time. But if you are a frequent flyer by God are they annoying.

Particularly if you've to watch them in both the airlines language and then again in English.

Agree it's really just common courtesy to even pretend to pay attention. The non-video one take less than two minutes sure.

facehugger99

It really comes down to how hot the air hostesses are as to how much attention I pay to it.

Noxegon

artanevilla wrote: »

Those 'funny' safety videos are all well when you watch them the first time. But if you are a frequent flyer by God are they annoying.

Eh if you want annoying try the ICE video on Emirates or indeed the "Spirit of Dubai" video. I can probably recite the latter word for word...

artanevilla

Noxegon wrote: »

Eh if you want annoying try the ICE video on Emirates or indeed the "Spirit of Dubai" video. I can probably recite the latter word for word...

Turkish Airlines Zach King video................