Beyond Meat Comes to Ireland

Tar.Aldarion

Spotted them in a few Tesco's recently:




Very expensive but excellent.

Slaphead07

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Spotted them in a few Tesco's recently:




Very expensive but excellent.

Thanks, I look forward to trying them.

Slaphead07

The burgers are nice. Any other products promised?

Tar.Aldarion

I don't know but hopefully the sausages follow as people seem to like them even more.

prinzeugen

What is in these? Plant based? How?

I did read that trading standards and the ASA in the UK are going to go to town on some vegan products and brands.

They may be forced make it clearer that the products are gluten or meat free.

davidjtaylor

prinzeugen wrote: »

What is in these? Plant based? How?

I did read that trading standards and the ASA in the UK are going to go to town on some vegan products and brands.

They may be forced make it clearer that the products are gluten or meat free.

Why just vegan products? They are usually more honest than non-vegan. They have to be (think finings, for instance). But as the market grows, dishonesty will creep in.

A tightening up of what information is given on labels should be welcomed by all, especially standardised nutritional labeling, all products used in processing, origin of ingredients, even of packaging imo etc. If that’s too much on a small product it should at least be available on websites.

Tar.Aldarion

prinzeugen wrote: »

What is in these? Plant based? How?

I did read that trading standards and the ASA in the UK are going to go to town on some vegan products and brands.

They may be forced make it clearer that the products are gluten or meat free.

Pea protein, oils, beetroot, some other stuff.

Slaphead07

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

I don't know but hopefully the sausages follow as people seem to like them even more.

That's what I'm hoping. Any veggie gluten free sausages are a bit rank (my taste I know!) and I like a fried brekkie sometimes. Dee's are nice but they don't fill that gap!

Tar.Aldarion

Bujo in Sandymount are now the first restaurant here to be selling Beyond Meat burgers
https://www.allthefood.ie/single-post/2019/01/08/BuJo-launch-Vegan-Burger-that-Bleeds

Tilikum17

Had one of these tonight.

Very nice.

Unearthly

Wow I was really impressed with this. My friend who has been a vegetarian for 15 years and vegan for 2 years didn't like it cause it tasted too much like meat.

I can see why so many big financial investors are backing this company. Expensive but worth it

davidjtaylor

Unearthly wrote: »

Wow I was really impressed with this. My friend who has been a vegetarian for 15 years and vegan for 2 years didn't like it cause it tasted too much like meat.

I can see why so many big financial investors are backing this company. Expensive but worth it

It’s the only reason it exists. If there was serious money to be made in broccoli, we’d all be vegan.

gozunda

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Bujo in Sandymount are now the first restaurant here to be selling Beyond Meat burgers
https://www.allthefood.ie/single-post/2019/01/08/BuJo-launch-Vegan-Burger-that-Bleeds

A properly cooked burger does not 'bleed' no matter the hype being put out tbh ...

And is it just me or does the term 'patty' make others want to throw same out the window?

goat2

Unearthly wrote: »

Wow I was really impressed with this. My friend who has been a vegetarian for 15 years and vegan for 2 years didn't like it cause it tasted too much like meat.

I can see why so many big financial investors are backing this company. Expensive but worth it

Are these sold in supervalu or spar

Unearthly

goat2 wrote: »

Are these sold in supervalu or spar

Think it's only Tesco at the moment

Unearthly

gozunda wrote: »

A properly cooked burger does not 'bleed' no matter the hype being put out tbh ...

Not a fan of the fake blood. Not necessary at all

Tar.Aldarion

I've had it a few times, no idea what they are even talking about with the "fake blood", just is like a normal burger. I guess it means the juiciness when raw is similar to myoglobin, that has to be purely marketing since I don;t know anybody who would be craving that, lol.

jh79

gozunda wrote: »

A properly cooked burger does not 'bleed' no matter the hype being put out tbh ...

Some questions over the lack of evidence for the safety of the chemical added to make the burger bleed.

They used GM yeast too in the process. I wouldn't have a problem with GM food, it's perfectly safe but would of assumed their target audience wouldn't like its use.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/08/fda-gets-salty-with-darling-start-up-behind-impossible-burger-that-bleeds/

Tar.Aldarion

They got FDA approval subsequently. Vegans are a diverse set of people and you are right that a lot of them do not like GMO. At the same time a lot of them do, and view it no differently than any frankenfoods we eat today, just because they were made with breeding selection or radiation mutation over GM doesn't make them especially different to me. Amazing technology with plenty of possible uses. Insulin now comes from bacteria instead of just animals thanks to GM etc.

gozunda

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

They got FDA approval subsequently. Vegans are a diverse set of people and you are right that a lot of them do not like GMO. At the same time a lot of them do, and view it no differently than any frankenfoods we eat today, just because they were made with breeding selection or radiation mutation over GM doesn't make them especially different to me. Amazing technology with plenty of possible uses. Insulin now comes from bacteria instead of just animals thanks to GM etc.

I always presumed that the point of a whole food plant based diet is that it would be low in highly processed ingredients and additives. Tbh I really can't see the attraction of a food product which is so chemically 'enhanced' as to be unsuitable for those choosing a better / healthier diet and lifestyle (whether vegan or otherwise)

jh79

gozunda wrote: »

I always presumed that the point of a whole food plant based diet is that it would be low in highly processed ingredients and additives. Tbh I ally can't see the attraction of a food product which is so chemically 'enhanced' as to be unsuitable for those choosing both a better and healthier diet and lifestyle.

You've fallen for the "natural fallacy". Just because something is chemically enhanced doesn't automatically make it bad for you.

Simi

gozunda wrote: »

I always presumed that the point of a whole food plant based diet is that it would be low in highly processed ingredients and additives. Tbh I ally can't see the attraction of a food product which is so chemically 'enhanced' as to be unsuitable for those choosing both a better and healthier diet and lifestyle.

There are lots of reasons to try vegetarian or vegan foods, not just because they're heathier. This product aims to imitate a real burger grease and all, and it does a reasonably good job.

For the few times a year I cook burgers at home I'd happily switch to these.

jh79

Simi wrote: »

There are lots of reasons to try vegetarian or vegan foods, not just because they're heathier. This product aims to imitate a real burger grease and all, and it does a reasonably good job.

For the few times a year I cook burgers at home I'd happily switch to these.

Their not healthier though. The easiest way to a balanced diet is to include meat and dairy. A vegan diet can achieve the same but its a lot more work to achieve the exact same health outcomes.

Anyone got the barcode for these? Local Tesco don't have them but will order them in for my other half if we can provide the barcode

Cheers.

gozunda

jh79 wrote: »

You've fallen for the "natural fallacy". Just because something is chemically enhanced doesn't automatically make it bad for you.

I didn't say it was or wasnt. It such that these highly processed products are hardly good poster children for veganism which is most often promoted as whole food plant based diet ...

gozunda

Simi wrote: »

There are lots of reasons to try vegetarian or vegan foods, not just because they're heathier. This product aims to imitate a real burger grease and all, and it does a reasonably good job. For the few times a year I cook burgers at home I'd happily switch to these.

And yet veganism and especially a whole food plant based diet (v. highly processed foods) are promoted for that reason.

Personally I don't eat any type of artifical burger or otherwise.

Crap food is crap food at the end of the day ...

Unearthly

I think it's interesting times ahead. On one hand the more vegan options, the more variety of products means less people will consuming animal products which is the core aim of vegans so this is a positive.

On the otherhand as the market grows and becomes more lucrative, it will be exploited with unhealthy food and those easy to have options.

I did enjoy the fact that the easy option of ordering a fast food pizza or chipper instead of cooking was no longer an option as it helped me stay on track. These were pitfalls I constantly fell into when I ate meat and dairy.

Not sure about the Beyond burger healthiness, haven't properly examined the contents but I will have it maybe once a week as a treat and continue with the whole foods for rest of week.

Tar.Aldarion

DubInMeath wrote: »

Anyone got the barcode for these? Local Tesco don't have them but will order them in for my other half if we can provide the barcode

Cheers.

Here you go, strange that they would ask for that though, they sure would know themselves.

Unearthly wrote: »

I think it's interesting times ahead. On one hand the more vegan options, the more variety of products means less people will consuming animal products which is the core aim of vegans so this is a positive.

On the otherhand as the market grows and becomes more lucrative, it will be exploited with unhealthy food and those easy to have options.

I did enjoy the fact that the easy option of ordering a fast food pizza or chipper instead of cooking was no longer an option as it helped me stay on track. These were pitfalls I constantly fell into when I ate meat and dairy.

Not sure about the Beyond burger healthiness, haven't properly examined the contents but I will have it maybe once a week as a treat and continue with the whole foods for rest of week.

It's a sad fact that you'll get people to eat that kind of food over healthy food so it is the most effective way of getting more vegan food eaten, alas we are but human and crave our magnums.

gozunda

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

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It's a sad fact that you'll get people to eat that kind of food over healthy food so it is the most effective way of getting more vegan food eaten, alas we are but human and crave our magnums.

The ingredient list alone would make me run a mile. Tbh I reckon the novelty factor with these types of 'vegan' foods won't stand up to any real change in the dietary preferences for the majority of people

Lady Haywire

So they're made in the US, flown to UK to be packed & then sent to Ireland to be sold.
And this is more environmentally sustainable choice??????

Unearthly

gozunda wrote: »

The ingredient list alone would make me run a mile. Tbh I reckon the novelty factor with these types of 'vegan' foods won't stand up to any real change in the dietary preferences for the majority of people

It's a burger, people don't expect to look like Thor /Wonder Woman after consuming it.

The sale rates would suggest these type of products are only going one way. Will it hugely impact the meat and dairy industry? Probably not when you see vegetarian still accounts for a small enough % of the market.

What I will say is that the majority of people are simply just not aware a product like this exists. My workplace is very big, but I bet only a handful of people would know what a Beyond burger is. At the moment only Tesco is selling them, and my local one you had to be looking for them specifically to even notice them. On top of that the average customer is not aware that there are now vegan options out there that can mimic meat texture so even by chance they saw it, they probably wouldn't try it as they've no marketing recollection of it, or any friends or family reviews. These are the obstacles it has

I first only heard of them in South Park when Cartman tricked his vegan girlfriend into eating kfc by writing Beyond before it :pac:

gozunda

Unearthly wrote: »

It's a burger, people don't expect to look like Thor /Wonder Woman after consuming it....

Again not the point of the comment made. But whatever it's simply junk food at the end of the day ...

goat2

I don't like any of the products that are made to resemble meat, would rather just go veg, and anyway beans and lentils can provide the protein as far as I know,
I do find meat hard to digest,
Is this because we are supposed to be a mainly veg eating species I wonder

davidjtaylor

Lady Haywire wrote: »

So they're made in the US, flown to UK to be packed & then sent to Ireland to be sold.
And this is more environmentally sustainable choice??????

Those who don’t care might eat them; those who do might not. This is not an exclusively veg*n situation.

VeryTerry

gozunda wrote: »

The ingredient list alone would make me run a mile. Tbh I reckon the novelty factor with these types of 'vegan' foods won't stand up to any real change in the dietary preferences for the majority of people

What's on the ingredient list that would make you run a mile?

jh79

Any of the vegans on here bothered by the use of animal testing to determine the safety of the additive used to mimic bleeding?

Tar.Aldarion

For the impossible Burger? Yes, doubly so as it was not mandatory testing, they just did it to seem more legitimate for non-vegans, which i can understand if not agree with.

gozunda

VeryTerry wrote: »

What's on the ingredient list that would make you run a mile?

Tar posted a photo of the ingredient list.
Take a look yourself.

https://i.imgur.com/eoExYcs.jpg

Personally I wont buy or eat any food with that amount of highly procesed ****e and additives.

Tar.Aldarion

Yeah looks very scary, that's why I avoid bananas, look at all those ingredients!

loveisdivine

I had the sausages when we were over camping in California. Honestly, they were so meat like that I found them a bit off putting. They had that fatty/greasiness that meat sausages have. Taste was lovely in fairness, but I just felt a bit greasy after.

gozunda

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Yeah looks very scary, that's why I avoid bananas, look at all those ingredients! ...

Joke? Lol. Dont think there is any need to be disingenuous though about what is in effect highly processed junk food!

I would of thought that vegans above all understand the benefits of "plant based whole foods". Something the beyond meat frankenburger ain't. Maybe I've picked it up all wrong

But then if this type of stuff is being offered up in the hope of attracting those whose diets already contain similar foods it's all a bit hypocritical tbh. Good marketing ploy though.

Looking at who is pushing this stuff is more worrying still ...

silverharp

I remember checking the price and its the equivalent of about 30 euros per kg which is silly money compared to standard ground beef. Its hardly going to fly off the shelves

nervous_twitch

gozunda wrote: »

Joke? Lol. Dont think there is any need to be disingenuous though about what is in effect highly processed junk food!

I would of thought that vegans above all understand the benefits of "plant based whole foods". Something the beyond meat frankenburger ain't. Maybe I've picked it up all wrong

But then if this type of stuff is being offered up in the hope of attracting those whose diets already contain similar foods it's all a bit hypocritical tbh. Good marketing ploy though.

Looking at who is pushing this stuff is more worrying still ...

Why are you insisting that every vegan has chosen their diet for reasons of health or well-being? The reasons for choosing a plant-based diet are multitude. Animals (ethical) and environmental concerns I imagine are the priority of many. Vegans can enjoy poor quality food just as much as the next guy! Not that I see anything particularly alarming in the Beyond ingredient list.

gozunda

nervous_twitch wrote: »

Why are you insisting that every vegan has chosen their diet for reasons of health or well-being? The reasons for choosing a plant-based diet are multitude. Animals (ethical) and environmental concerns I imagine are the priority of many. Vegans can enjoy poor quality food just as much as the next guy! Not that I see anything particularly alarming in the Beyond ingredient list.

Nope not so. First these products will be eaten by all types of people - vegan and otherwise. My criticism is of the food not those who may eat it.

Many people's diets include ethical and environmental concerns. Highly processed and packaged foods ain't environmental either.

These products are highly processed junk -
Nothing more imo. Thats it really ...

jh79

gozunda wrote: »

Nope not so. First these products will be eaten by all types of people - vegan and otherwise. My criticism is of the food not those who may eat it.

These products are highly processed junk -
Nothing more imo. Thats it really ...

But junk food can be part of a balanced diet too. All depends on the quantity in your diet. The additives aren't the issue anyways its the levels of salt and sugar and fat.

Are you advocating a "clean eating diet" (think that is the term used).

goat2

gozunda wrote: »

Tar posted a photo of the ingredient list.
Take a look yourself.

https://i.imgur.com/eoExYcs.jpg

Personally I wont buy or eat any food with that amount of highly procesed ****e and additives.

too many ingredients I don't know of.
What is celloluse, Methycellulose, gum Arabic,
There is a huge list of ingredients there, and what fat is the saturated, is that palm oil

Tar.Aldarion

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

DubInMeath wrote: »

Anyone got the barcode for these? Local Tesco don't have them but will order them in for my other half if we can provide the barcode

Cheers.

Here you go, strange that they would ask for that though, they sure would know themselves.



Cheers, manager that she talked to hadn't heard of them and their always low on vegan quorn etc in our local. They don't even carry their own brand free from cheeses.

Tar.Aldarion

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

DubInMeath wrote: »

Anyone got the barcode for these? Local Tesco don't have them but will order them in for my other half if we can provide the barcode

Cheers.

Here you go, strange that they would ask for that though, they sure would know themselves.



Cheers, manager that she talked to hadn't heard of them and their always low on vegan quorn etc in our local. They don't even carry their own brand free from cheeses.

davidjtaylor

goat2 wrote: »

too many ingredients I don't know of.
What is celloluse, Methycellulose, gum Arabic,
There is a huge list of ingredients there, and what fat is the saturated, is that palm oil

I agree, it’s all a bit industrial for my liking, but fair play to them all the same if it reduces overall animal use a little.

As for saturated fat, that’s most likely the coconut oil. Palm oil isn’t listed.

jh79

goat2 wrote: »

too many ingredients I don't know of.
What is celloluse, Methycellulose, gum Arabic,
There is a huge list of ingredients there, and what fat is the saturated, is that palm oil

Plant fiber and tree sap. Probably to give texture and bind it together.

spectre

I've had these lately - outstanding burger imo.

Maybe It's just been so long since I had a beef burger but I thought it was a good enough imitation to fool people.