Ex RTE groomer Kieran Creaven due to be released

Gadgetman496

The former RTE producer who was jailed after being caught trying to groom what he thought was a young girl is set to be released from his English prison cell next week. He is expected to return to Ireland and live in Co Galway.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/shamed-former-tv-producer-jailed-15616777

RocketRaccoon

Can someone please explain why judges hand out sentences that never get carried out? Why is he free after half his sentence?

_Brian

No mention but I’d expect he will be required to be registered on the sex offenders register.

The Satanist

Please post the full address including eircode as I want to send him a "Welcome Home" card.

RocketRaccoon

Let's be honest here, he'll probably be back working in RTE this time next year.

Omackeral

In case anyone forgets this absolute slime ball....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a6HtIHM0Ss

Gadgetman496

_Brian wrote: »

No mention but I’d expect he will be required to be registered on the sex offenders register.

While the term Sex Offenders Register is commonly used in Ireland, there is in fact no such register and the term is not included in any section of the Sex Offenders Act 2001. The only information on the whereabouts of sex offenders in Ireland which is held centrally by the Gardaí is a certificate issued by the court in relation to those convicted by the court of sexual offenses.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal_law/criminal_trial/sex_offenders_register.html

DaverageJoe

I had heard about this guy before but didn't know much about him aside from the fact he was caught trying to meet a young girl.

In looking him up though:

Creaven, who the court heard was living in a “cyber world of pornography”, had two boxes of condoms, a list of female names and two phones on his person when he was arrested.

The online conversation was described as “prolonged” by the prosecution; it began in July 2017 and ended in November 2017.

He admitted he had made online contact with 15 to 20 teenage girls, aged between 13 and 18 years of age, blackmailing some of them by threatening to release information about them on Facebook.

Kitty Colley, prosecuting, said: “He said he would talk to children online and at times buy credit for their phones so they could talk to him, but when they blocked him he would do something as revenge, such as put on Facebook that they had sent him naked photos.”

Sounds like a right psycho.

Jim Bob Scratcher

The Satanist wrote: »

Please post the full address including eircode as I want to send him a "Welcome Home" card.

He'll probably end up somewhere in Galway

The Satanist

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

He'll probably end up somewhere in Galway

I hear isolated ditches are nice this time of the year!

Deebles McBeebles

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Can someone please explain why judges hand out sentences that never get carried out? Why is he free after half his sentence?

Maybe he didn't try to diddle any kids while in prison so....good behaviour???

Bigbagofcans

"And the details graphically outlined in court were horrendous. The last ten years spent watching online the most abusive images of children - some as young as eight, being tortured and raped."

I feel sick reading this. This scumbag doesn't deserve to see the light of day.

keith_sixteen

I think I recall reading that there was a separate Garda investigation happening here in parallel to the trial / investigation in the UK. I am pretty sure he will be facing new charges here on his return?

demanufactured

I'd say he won't last long, he'll get battered anywhere he goes.

dxhound2005

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Let's be honest here, he'll probably be back working in RTE this time next year.

Are you being honest?

Bigbagofcans

keith_sixteen wrote: »

I think I recall reading that there was a separate Garda investigation happening here in parallel to the trial / investigation in the UK. I am pretty sure he will be facing new charges here on his return?

Hopefully he will. The Gardaí have his laptop/phone/etc so I'm sure there were images/videos found.

dk1982

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Can someone please explain why judges hand out sentences that never get carried out? Why is he free after half his sentence?

standard in the UK. For sentences under 2 years you get out after half the time served, the rest under license....

For offences committed on or after 1 February 2015, those who are over 18 years who receive a determinate sentence of at least 2 days but less than 2 years will be released on licence half way through their sentence. They will be on licence until the end of their sentence, with an additional period of post-sentence supervision. This is to ensure that all prisoners for sentences under two years are supervised for a period of 12 months.

https://www.prisonersfamilies.org/sentence/

Edgware

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Let's be honest here, he'll probably be back working in RTE this time next year.

Is that why Bosco had a squeaky voice?

nim1bdeh38l2cw

Edgware wrote: »

Is that why Bosco had a squeaky voice?

You'd have one too if someone stuck their hand up your ass.

Ulysses Gaze

demanufactured wrote: »

I'd say he won't last long, he'll get battered anywhere he goes.

Has not happened to Larry Murphy so I don't think so.

Unfortunately.

Bigbagofcans

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Has not happened to Larry Murphy so I don't think so.

Unfortunately.

Since the Gardaí keep tabs on where Larry, it's like he has police protection.

Gadgetman496

He has been released.

Omackeral

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

He has been released.

Hector Savage

Omackeral wrote: »

In case anyone forgets this absolute slime ball....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a6HtIHM0Ss

One type of scum catching another type of scum.

Sin City

God help the Irish kids
should have left him to rot in the UK

Omackeral

Hector Savage wrote: »

One type of scum catching another type of scum.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Pedophiles are far worse in my opinion. Far, far worse. It's another level entirely.

Bigbagofcans

He's a paedophile free to do as his pleases now. I'm sure he'll avoid befriending young girls on social media, but seeing as he was disgustingly viewing abusive material online for 10 years who's to stop him going on the dark web.

Sin City

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

He's a paedophile free to do as his pleases now. I'm sure he'll avoid befriending young girls on social media, but seeing as he was disgustingly viewing abusive material online for 10 years who's to stop him going on the dark web.

A condition for release should be he cannot have access to the internet but Id imagine that it would be unenforceable

ChikiChiki

Hector Savage wrote: »

One type of scum catching another type of scum.

Don't know why but I find them groups really odd. I mean they are doing society a great service but just to me seems like a peculiar thing to get involved in.

Bigbagofcans

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Don't know why but I find them groups really odd. I mean they are doing society a great service but just to me seems like a peculiar thing to get involved in.

I'd say some of them suffered abuse before or know someone who had been abused.

I commend them. If it wasn't for them then Kieran would still be living a nice life working for RTE whilst still watching disgusting abusive material and hounding young girls online.

marklazarcovic

The amount of these groups and the amount of paedos they nab just shows up how little is being done by the actual people supposed to be doing it, why can't police have lots if dedicated paedo hunters,not the odd group of police here n there, if a bunch of untrained people can do it what's stopping the police hiring non beat/public working staff to do this, the same level of law knowledge would not need to be trained, just online and privacy laws, in effect,anyone willing could do the job if they are any way tech and online savvy.

Hector Savage

Omackeral wrote: »

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Pedophiles are far worse in my opinion. Far, far worse. It's another level entirely.

My point is these guys don't really give two sh-ts about the "kiddies" they are saying they are protecting, it's all virtue signalling and fishing for social media likes , why broadcast it live ?
Just hand over the video to the police, this type of **** can be used in his defence....

Hector Savage

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Don't know why but I find them groups really odd. I mean they are doing society a great service but just to me seems like a peculiar thing to get involved in.

Probably hiding something, have you seen the absolute scrotes that do it ?

Probably have the same urges themselves and are disguising it.

Andrew00

I said when he was sentenced a few months ago that he’ll be released in no time for good behaviour

I was laughed at and told he will serve his full sentence. Bulls*t

Gadgetman496

Hector Savage wrote: »

Probably hiding something, have you seen the absolute scrotes that do it ?

Probably have the same urges themselves and are disguising it.

Is that you Kieran?

Gadgetman496

Andrew00 wrote: »

I said when he was sentenced a few years ago that he’ll be released in no time for good behaviour

I was laughed at and told he will serve his full sentence. Bulls*t

You mean months ago, right?

Omackeral

Hector Savage wrote: »

My point is these guys don't really give two sh-ts about the "kiddies" they are saying they are protecting, it's all virtue signalling and fishing for social media likes , why broadcast it live ?
Just hand over the video to the police, this type of **** can be used in his defence....

That's one way of looking at it. Another is that you'd imagine that the people with children or young teens in Kieran Creaven's locality all know exactly what he is as a result of this. Remember, this case was in the UK. He traveled there with the sole intention of defiling a minor. Probably wouldn't know about him and his perversions if not for these people catching and exposing him.

goose2005

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Can someone please explain why judges hand out sentences that never get carried out? Why is he free after half his sentence?

explanation -

First, releasing a defendant on licence means that the authorities have a measure of control over an individual as they reintegrate into society. There are conditions attached to the licence, usually including supervision by the probation service, and if the defendant breaches those conditions or commits (or is even accused of) a further offence, they can be recalled to prison to serve the remainder of their sentence. The second, unspoken reason, is one of practicality and cost. Prison is expensive, and the budget was cut by 40% in 2010. Locking up all or most prisoners for the full terms of their sentence would push our already-overcrowded and ungovernable prisons beyond salvation. Automatic release operates as a valve to relieve pressure on the system. You may not like those reasons, you may consider the latter in particular a darn unsatisfactory justification (I certainly do), but unless and until there is a rush of popular support for vastly expanding the prison budget, or a radical reimagining of how often we reach for custody as a sentence, it’s easy to see the political appeal. Pretend hardened crims are being handed whopping sentences, then let them out early so we don’t actually have to pay for it. It is equally easy to see how the public often feel misled, as automatic release – although often explicitly stated by the sentencing judge – is rarely explained properly in news reporting.

Fiftyfilthy

Hector Savage wrote: »

My point is these guys don't really give two sh-ts about the "kiddies" they are saying they are protecting, it's all virtue signalling and fishing for social media likes , why broadcast it live ?
Just hand over the video to the police, this type of **** can be used in his defence....

They broadcast it live to raise awareness (their words) the majority don’t show their faces or names , they film as can be used as evidence in courts and to “protect” both the predator and the hunters . Ie can’t say were attacked etc

In uk, grooming a “decoy” is the same charge as a real child

Whereas in Ireland there is no law. Guards pick up the predator and then realise him back into the Wild an hour or so later

Just to balance things out, one well known uk hunter group has accusations of not always bringing the predator to the police or filming it but to extort money from them

On the whole I think they do a great job

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Andrew00 wrote: »

I said when he was sentenced a few years ago that he’ll be released in no time for good behaviour

I was laughed at and told he will serve his full sentence. Bulls*t

Well he was sentenced last year so...and he wasn't released for good behaviour, he was released because that's how it works for short sentences over there.

The length of the initial sentence is pretty galling though. Ok he pleaded guilty, there wasn't an actual child victim, but grooming should surely always get longer than that.

By the looks of it he'll be back inside before long anyway, that sentence wasn't relating to anything that might be on his computer. I can't see how anybody who spent so long putting so much into his attempts to rape children can ever be safe to be around.

Hector Savage

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Is that you Kieran?

ah heyor!!!

Sin City

The only negative thing about this group and I do commend them on their work outing peados is that they do hamper the innocent before proven guilty in court and because they stream live chances are they have swayed public opinion before they go to court

Then again as peados do we really need to take the chance they could be found innocent

retro:electro

I have to say that I commend paedo hunters on the stellar work they do and fair play and all of that but I do have issues with the live broadcast. I was reading an article the other day about a daughter of someone who was snared by one of those groups, she watched it all live on Facebook (as did everyone she knows) and to this day she’s absolutely traumatised. Her dad killed himself the next day so justice was never brought and instead a lot of upset was brought to the doorstep of innocent people who hadn’t committed a crime. By all means snare them, by all means record them, but broadcasting it live? I find that a very grey area and kind of unnecessary. Hand the footage over, maybe keep a copy and release it after a verdict is issued. There’s a lot more lives affected and a lot more people humiliated by the live broadcast than the one you’re (rightly) trying to ruin.

Pissartist

I'd happily see the death penalty reinstated for scum like this in ireland.

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retro:electro wrote: »

I have to say that I commend paedo hunters on the stellar work they do and fair play and all of that but I do have issues with the live broadcast. I was reading an article the other day about a daughter of someone who was snared by one of those groups, she watched it all live on Facebook (as did everyone she knows) and to this day she’s absolutely traumatised. Her dad killed himself the next day so justice was never brought and instead a lot of upset was brought to the doorstep of innocent people who hadn’t committed a crime. By all means snare them, by all means record them, but broadcasting it live? I find that a very grey area and kind of unnecessary. Hand the footage over, maybe keep a copy and release it after a verdict is issued. There’s a lot more lives affected and a lot more people humiliated by the live broadcast than the one you’re (rightly) trying to ruin.

Also they occasionally make mistakes and live stream the wrong person getting shamed.

We have a criminal justice system - they should use it, trial by social media is wrong IMO.

Whatever about them luring the pedos and giving the police the info - the social media live stream is a step too far and makes them look like scumbags themselves.

Sin City

retro:electro wrote: »

I have to say that I commend paedo hunters on the stellar work they do and fair play and all of that but I do have issues with the live broadcast. I was reading an article the other day about a daughter of someone who was snared by one of those groups, she watched it all live on Facebook (as did everyone she knows) and to this day she’s absolutely traumatised. Her dad killed himself the next day so justice was never brought and instead a lot of upset was brought to the doorstep of innocent people who hadn’t committed a crime. By all means snare them, by all means record them, but broadcasting it live? I find that a very grey area and kind of unnecessary. Hand the footage over, maybe keep a copy and release it after a verdict is issued. There’s a lot more lives affected and a lot more people humiliated by the live broadcast than the one you’re (rightly) trying to ruin.

There was also a case or two where they got the wrong person
one killed himself the others name is blackened forever

Hector Savage

Sin City wrote: »

There was also a case or two where they got the wrong person
one killed himself the others name is blackened forever

That's what I mean, for sure catch the guys and video it , but hand it over to the police - outcome will be better.

DEFTLEFTHAND

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Can someone please explain why judges hand out sentences that never get carried out? Why is he free after half his sentence?

Good behaviour = sentence remission.

It's usually by one quarter though not half..

Spannerplank

Omackeral wrote: »

That's oneh way of looking at it. Another is that you'd imagine that the people with children or young teens in Kieran Creaven's locality all know exactly what he is as a result of this. Remember, this case was in the UK. He traveled there with the sole intention of defiling a minor. Probably wouldn't know about him and his perversions if not for these people catching and exposing him.

You're still missing the point and you seem adamant to miss it. Why are these predator hunters livestreamjng if their aims are so noble and altruistic?

They've found a reality porn format and if one questions their agenda one is labelled a paedo defender. That's how binary discourse has become in the recent past and continues.

AndrewJRenko

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Let's be honest here, he'll probably be back working in RTE this time next year.

Let's be honest - he won't

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/rte-fires-sports-producer-kieran-creaven-over-sexual-offences-36424340.html

Omackeral

Spannerplank wrote: »

You're still missing the point and you seem adamant to miss it. Why are these predator hunters livestreamjng if their aims are so noble and altruistic?

They've found a reality porn format and if one questions their agenda one is labelled a paedo defender. That's how binary discourse has become in the recent past and continues.

The irony in your second paragraph is startling. I certainly didn't call the poster I was replying to a pedo defender nor am I adamant to miss anything. I concede there's a plethora of issues with vigilantism. People are entitled to see this form of exposure as illegitimate. Livestreaming, I suppose, gives the suspected individual no place to run and hide. Not saying it's correct, it's simply the method they've elected to use.