2019 The Year Of The Vegan?

auspicious

https://worldin2019.economist.com/theyearofthevegan?utm_source=412&utm_medium=COM

JTMan

From the article "Fully a quarter of 25- to 34-year-old Americans say they are vegans or vegetarians". Wow! Further evidence that veganism and vegetarianism is fast moving from a niche activity to a massive socio economic trend.

If trends continue, one wonders what will happen in decades to come. Will meat eating become a niche activity eventually?

TheClubMan

JTMan wrote: »

Will meat eating become a niche activity eventually?

Fat chance! 😂 Humans have eaten meat for thousands of years whether it be through the hunting or rearing of animals and that's not going to change anytime soon as long as there's a demand for meat. Vegans/vegetarians are a minority (a very loud minority at that) and will continue to be into the future. Excuse me while I go eat my 8 oz steak for dinner 😊

Worztron

Tar.Aldarion

And more!

Morrison's vegan pizza

Pizza Hut BBQ Jackfruit Pizza

Bill's Veganuary menu

Waitrose Fishless Fingers and Tartare Sauce

Sainsbury Vegan Prawns and Vegan Smoked Salmon

Gordon Ramsey also doing a Vegan menu as a first too.

I'm all for eating vegetarian/vegan regularly and if someone wants to completely convert, by all means do- but I really don't like the way the public add campaigns are putting down the meat industry - I'd prefer to see the Vegan industry talk up their own industry benefits than talk down the meat industry

YFlyer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm all for eating vegetarian/vegan regularly and if someone wants to completely convert, by all means do- but I really don't like the way the public add campaigns are putting down the meat industry - I'd prefer to see the Vegan industry talk up their own industry benefits than talk down the meat industry

Cough cough... Bord Bia.

YFlyer

YFlyer wrote: »

Cough cough... Bord Bia.

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YFlyer

YFlyer wrote: »

Cough cough... Bord Bia.

If that's a joke re: me being from Bored Bia, i get it;) Don't mean any harm here on this forum BTW, just interested in cooking of all types, not just Vegan/Vegetarian.

But from a marketing perspective, I do believe if the Vegan world wants to "win friends and influence people", it's a better approach to keep it positive. Theres's a lot to sell, and a lot of people to convince, so why not start by publicly talking up the good points? That was all I was saying

Unearthly

Without a doubt it's growing and becoming more mainstream

The problem is that growing up the meat and dairy industry has such a stranglehold over our culture. When you tell people you are off meat and dairy, the 1st things they ask is where do you get protein etc.

Now thanks to the internet there is so much nutritional information out there that people are finally seeing that you don't need meat and dairy to survive and if you do it right, your health improves. I've my own medical tests to prove this.

A lot of people love animals (Just look at the amount of pets out there) so I think if people felt they had the option, they'd avoid having to eat animals. Growing up I had conditioned myself to separate the food I was eating and preferred not to think it was an animal in the 1st place.

I get a lot of abuse and baiting about it, but again this is human psychology to mock what they see as different. The extremists don't help with their antics, I found it's much more helpful to calmly explain the different food options out there and the health benefits that go with it. People are far more receptive when not lectured about it

embraer170

JTMan wrote: »

From the article "Fully a quarter of 25- to 34-year-old Americans say they are vegans or vegetarians". Wow! Further evidence that veganism and vegetarianism is fast moving from a niche activity to a massive socio economic trend.?

Yet the vast majority of fine dining restaurants do not have a single vegetarian not a mind vegan option on their standard menu.

Yes, you will normally get a special order but that is mostly something thought up at the last minute and underwhelming.

Space Dog

Unearthly wrote: »

A lot of people love animals (Just look at the amount of pets out there) so I think if people felt they had the option, they'd avoid having to eat animals. G

I became a vegetarian as a teenager (so I was young and naive lol) and didn't eat meat for about 10 years, but we had cats that I fed shop-bought cat food. Looking back at it now I find it strange that I didn't want to eat meat myself but had no problems feeding meat to pets, so I was still supporting the meat industry (not to mention I was ovo-lacto).

My friend's fiancé has become a vegetarian last year, he has two massive dogs that eat more (shop-bought) meat in a day than I would eat in a week. I find it so odd that he goes on about the dignity of animals but he's fine feeding chicken, pork and beef to his dogs. I always wonder why this is ok for so many vegetarians (and probably some vegans)? Sorry, don't want to derail the thread, just something I keep asking myself when I read or hear stuff like this...

davidjtaylor

It’s possibly too much like hard work! Dogs and cats are fine on a vegan diet providing you know what you’re doing - i.e. you have to have far more nutritional information and be prepared to work harder on the animal’s diet than your own, at least at first.

We use commercial vegan cat and dog food supplemented with home-made vegan food (mainly to save money) and, tbh, commercial vegan dog food in particlar is tasteless and boring (if that word could apply).

Worztron

Space Dog wrote: »

I became a vegetarian as a teenager (so I was young and naive lol) and didn't eat meat for about 10 years, but we had cats that I fed shop-bought cat food. Looking back at it now I find it strange that I didn't want to eat meat myself but had no problems feeding meat to pets

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Hi SD. The cat needs meat - you don't.

davidjtaylor

The important need for cats is taurine, rather than meat per se. And then, if they’re outdoor cats, they’ll catch and eat small animals, so you can’t make a cat vegan, only feed it as such in your home. This is an acceptable compromise for a human vegan.

Space Dog

Worztron wrote: »

Hi SD. The cat needs meat - you don't.

People also don't really need to own pets (unless someone depends on a service dog). So you're still contributing to factory farming because you want to own that car or dog for your entertainment.

Tar.Aldarion

Many people rescue cats and dogs because they would die otherwise, not for entertainment. There's a responsibility you have to take if your species domesticated another and they are dependent on you now. Lab grown meat will take away any ethical quandary for them in years to come.

davidjtaylor

Space Dog wrote: »

People also don't really need to own pets (unless someone depends on a service dog). So you're still contributing to factory farming because you want to own that car or dog for your entertainment.

Not really. Housing, feeding, caring for and loving unwanted animals and not farming or eating animals is a step up from the majority's attitude.

YFlyer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

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Bord Bia were pushing an anti vegan narrative the past two years.

They have softened their attack more recently though.

YFlyer

Leo Varadkar mentioning about cutting back on meat consumption to lower the carbon footprint. There are some vile comments on Facebook.

Mooooo

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Not really. Housing, feeding, caring for and loving unwanted animals and not farming or eating animals is a step up from the majority's attitude.

I think you'll find the vast majority of farmers do the same for their stock.

davidjtaylor

'Unwanted'

Worztron

davidjtaylor wrote: »

The important need for cats is taurine, rather than meat per se. And then, if they’re outdoor cats, they’ll catch and eat small animals, so you can’t make a cat vegan, only feed it as such in your home. This is an acceptable compromise for a human vegan.

Excerpt from https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/general-faqs:

"Can my dog/cat go vegan?

Generally speaking most dogs and cats can follow a vegan diet. There are several good brands of vegan animal food available across the world, and these can be ordered online or found in some vegan stores. Dogs and particularly cats need an amino acid called taurine, which must be present in their food as it is essential for their wellbeing. This amino acid is found in animal products: however, it is also synthetically created on a commercial scale and is added to good quality vegan animal foods. For more information, check out our blog.

Not all dogs and cats can move to a vegan diet. If your dog or cat is elderly, or unwell or has specific needs then we would always recommend following a qualified veterinarian's advice to ensure the best welfare for them."

gozunda

YFlyer wrote: »

Leo Varadkar mentioning about cutting back on meat consumption to lower the carbon footprint. There are some vile comments on Facebook.

Not really surprising considering the hypocrisy of that announcement tbh. The single biggest way of reducing carbon footprints is too reduce or eliminate use use of fossil fuels and dependence on transport based on same. Dont see members of the goverment etc giving up their Mercedes S class fuel guzzlers and saying no to flying to any of the thousands of junkets around the world....

gozunda

YFlyer wrote: »

Bord Bia were pushing an anti vegan narrative the past two years.

They have softened their attack more recently though.

Really? "An anti vegan narrative" lol

More like countering the pure bile and misinformation being directed at farming and the food industry by certain vegan lifestyle promoters imo. I wouldn't expect them to sit on their hands tbh considering some of the rubbish being put out there ..

Unearthly

Leo also said he was also doing it for health reasons but let's not allow that get in the way of whataboutism

The heat Leo got in the Dail about mentioning he eats less meat shows the cultural stranglehold meat and dairy has in our lives that i mentioned before

gozunda

He referred to carbon footprint - which was the point of the previous comment and my reply. The only whataboutism I see is dragging in something else tbh. I don't give a proverbial whether he takes up eating cactus or weevils to improve his personal health tbh.

There's 'whataboutism' and there's hypocrisy. People pointing this out ain't got anything to with bandwagoning one way or the other.

Unearthly

Quotes

“I am trying to eat less meat both for health reasons and for reasons of climate change.

“But I'd imagine given the amount of travel I do... I'm probably not the best example.”

He then spoke about the future that ministers should start using electric cars or hybrid.

So he is doing it for health reasons and says it also helps climate while also acknowledging there are opportunities to improve. Seems ok to me.

Then you had clowns in the dail who have a vested interest in the farming industry criticising him.

Danny Healy Rae saying vegans have never done a hard works day in their lives because of hunger and he doesn't believe in climate change. Ignorant head in sand stuff

gozunda

Tbh I don't give a monkeys as I said what Varadkar does for his health or otherwise. The comment related to a previous comment on carbon footprint. End of.

For a rant on Healy Rae and friends, aliens or the pyramids or whatever => thataway

Unearthly

gozunda wrote: »

Tbh I don't give a monikes as I said what Varadkar does for his health or otherwise. The comment related to a previous comment on carbon footprint. End of.

For a rant on Healy Rae and friends => thataway

Cheers I'll take that as your way of admitting you are wrong

gozunda

Unearthly wrote: »

Cheers I'll take that as your way of admitting you are wrong

Lol

YFlyer

gozunda wrote: »

Really? "An anti vegan narrative" lol

More like countering the pure bile and misinformation being directed at farming and the food industry by certain vegan lifestyle promoters imo. I wouldn't expect them to sit on their hands tbh considering some of the rubbish being put out there ..

Hmm. If you think that.

c.p.w.g.w

Unearthly wrote: »

Without a doubt it's growing and becoming more mainstream

The problem is that growing up the meat and dairy industry has such a stranglehold over our culture. When you tell people you are off meat and dairy, the 1st things they ask is where do you get protein etc.

Now thanks to the internet there is so much nutritional information out there that people are finally seeing that you don't need meat and dairy to survive and if you do it right, your health improves. I've my own medical tests to prove this.

A lot of people love animals (Just look at the amount of pets out there) so I think if people felt they had the option, they'd avoid having to eat animals. Growing up I had conditioned myself to separate the food I was eating and preferred not to think it was an animal in the 1st place.

I get a lot of abuse and baiting about it, but again this is human psychology to mock what they see as different. The extremists don't help with their antics, I found it's much more helpful to calmly explain the different food options out there and the health benefits that go with it. People are far more receptive when not lectured about it

Also saturated fats, omega 3, b12, selenium & zinc all found in high quantities with meat and dairy. Omega 3 from plant base is a poor form(ALA)

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

H It's not a matter of public relevance as far as I'm concerned.

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When a sitting Taoiseach says something, it is a matter of public relevance, whether you like it, or not.

Unearthly

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Also saturated fats, omega 3, b12, selenium & zinc all found in high quantities with meat and dairy. Omega 3 from plant base is a poor form(ALA)

What are you asking here? How vegans can get these?

Tar.Aldarion

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Also saturated fats, omega 3, b12, selenium & zinc all found in high quantities with meat and dairy. Omega 3 from plant base is a poor form(ALA)

Sign me up, ha!

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

When a sitting Taoiseach says something, it is a matter of public relevance, whether you like it, or not.

Yeah funny it wasn't mentioned in the comment to which I replied was it now? And that's the point about that "as far as I'm concerned'

YFlyer wrote: »

Leo Varadkar mentioning about cutting back on meat consumption to lower the carbon footprint. There are some vile comments on Facebook.

Unearthly

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah funny it wasn't mentioned in your comment to which I replied was it now? And that's the point!



Jaez theres some serious whataboutary going on altogether tonight

Gozunda you called him a hypocrite even though his quotes directly address the issue you had. It's not too late to just admit you didn't have the full picture

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah funny it wasn't mentioned in your comment to which I replied was it now? And that's the point 'as far as I'm concerned'!
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What rubbish are you spouting? The only aspect of your original comment that I replied to was where you said that it wasn't a matter of public relevance what a sitting Taoiseach said - everything a sitting Taoiseach says, is a matter of public relevance and can have an impact on Irish society.

gozunda

Unearthly wrote: »

Gozunda you called him a hypocrite even though his quotes directly address the issue you had. It's not too late to just admit you didn't have the full picture

Unearthly like it or otherwise - I'm not having an argument with ya. This is a discussion board. You can think of yourself as "right" all you like - whatever that's worth ...

Btw there's is a difference in saying

gozunda wrote: »

Not really surprising considering the hypocrisy of that announcement tbh...

and calling someone a hypocrite - but you already know that.

Thanks for your input

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What rubbish are you spouting? The only aspect of your original comment that I replied to was where you said that it wasn't a matter of public relevance what a sitting Taoiseach said - everything a sitting Taoiseach says, is a matter of public relevance and can have an impact on Irish society.

See above - Btw you must of missed the bit when I said "as far as I'm concerned". Oh and the comment to which I replied refered to Carbon Footprints btw.

It was yer man Uneathly who appears to be "spouting some rubbish" (as you put it) about health. It might be best to ask him as I don't know what he is on about either.

Goodnight

gozunda

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Many people rescue cats and dogs because they would die otherwise, not for entertainment. There's a responsibility you have to take if your species domesticated another and they are dependent on you now. Lab grown meat will take away any ethical quandary for them in years to come.

And of all those who rescue cats and dogs etc and don't have an ethical quandry?

Surely it would be better for those with such quandaries to rescue stick insects or other organisms that eat plant matter and leave the obligate carnivores etc to those who can meet the dietary needs of those animals properly.

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

See above - Btw you must of missed the bit when I said "as far as I'm concerned". t

Doesn't matter what you're "concerned with"- or what your "opinion" is- it's fact that what the Taoiseach says in public, has an affect on Irish society and affects public opinion. Whether you think it does or not, doesn't really matter.

Nite nite.

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Doesn't matter what you're "concerned with"- or what your "opinion" is- it's fact that what the Taoiseach says in public, has an affect on Irish society and affects public opinion. Whether you think it does or not, doesn't really matter. Nite nite.

Thats the thing - if thats your opinion - fair enough. However in context you missed the carbon footprints and this bit. Thanks

It was yer man Uneathly who appears to be "spouting some rubbish" (as you put it) about health. It might be best to ask him as I don't know what he is on about either.

Unearthly

Unearthly wrote: »

Leo also said he was also doing it for health reasons but let's not allow that get in the way of whataboutism

The heat Leo got in the Dail about mentioning he eats less meat shows the cultural stranglehold meat and dairy has in our lives that i mentioned before

gozunda wrote: »

You missed the carbon footprints and this bit. Thanks

It was yer man Uneathly who appears to be "spouting some rubbish" (as you put it) about health. It might be best to ask him as I don't know what he is on about either.

I'd as happily disagree with his comment as with yours. You're both wrong. The people will decide- and that''s coming from a carnivore. There's a general progression towards better health, and that will mean less meat eating overall- and from a carnivore perspective, I welcome that, as long as it means better standards for animals overall - I know some people on this forum are absolutists and want all animals saved tomorrow- but that's not going to happen - I'm a realist not an idealist- but there are ways to achieve a lot of good in the short -term too.

Cartroubles

gozunda wrote: »

Thats the thing - if thats your opinion - fair enough. However in context you missed the carbon footprints and this bit. Thanks

It was yer man Uneathly who appears to be "spouting some rubbish" (as you put it) about health. It might be best to ask him as I don't know what he is on about either.

In fairness you were caught out there, best hold your hands up and move on.

The biggest hypocrisy I saw from Leo was that if he really believes eating less meat is necessary, why are we producing more meat than ever?

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'd as happily disagree with his comment as with yours. You're both wrong. The people will decide- and that''s coming from a carnivore. There's a general progression towards better health, and that will mean less meat eating overall- and from a carnivore perspective, I welcome that, as long as it means better standards for animals overall - I know some people on this forum are absolutists and want all animals saved tomorrow- but that's not going to happen - I'm a realist not an idealist- but there are ways to achieve a lot of good in the short -term too.

Plenty - not to be smart - My comments only related to Carbon footprints. As per the original comment. Unfortunately it was dragged off into a spate of whataboutary. We can all be 'wrong' btw I don't disagree with you. I'll leave it there.

Unearthly

gozunda wrote: »

It was yer man Uneathly who appears to be "spouting some rubbish" (as you put it) about health. It might be best to ask him as I don't know what he is on about either.

Just when I thought I was out, the Gozunda pulls me back in.

Taoiseach makes comment about eating less meat. I'm assuming you hadn't read his full quotes and made a judgement it was a hypocritical comment. The full quotes show it wasn't.

The health part was another reason he has decided to eat less meat (see taoiseach quotes). A very welcome decision by our leader and another hint that 2019 might be the year of the vegan. Great news Gozunda

gozunda

Cartroubles wrote: »

In fairness you were caught out there, best hold your hands up and move on.The biggest hypocrisy I saw from Leo was that if he really believes eating less meat is necessary, why are we producing more meat than ever?

If you mean was there an attempt to drag my comment off about health lol? No can do - thanks all the same.

I think that was more argument than a discussion imo But hey there you go. End of the story.

Tbh the more I see of our glorious leaders intellectual wanderings - the less of a fan I am becoming ...

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

Tbh the more I see of our glorious leaders intellectual wanderings - the less of a fan I am becoming ...

A healthy scepticism of whatever the “Leader” of the day says, can only be a good thing- he’s a politician after all is said and done.

I don’t subscribe to veganism nor vegetarianism as an absolute way to live ones life. But I’m a carnivore with an appreciattion of all sides and willing to listen to reasoned argument, I don’t tolerate conspiracy theories from either side nor will I conform through force.

gozunda

Unearthly wrote: »

....2019 might be the year of the vegan. Great news ...

Ahh I checked that and it's looks like someone else has already booked the year

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