Rural broadband myth

Bella Doyle

There is this myth being pushed by the media that super fast fiber broadband in rural Ireland will mean that everyone will be able to set up a rival to Amazon.com from their spare room. The reality is the vast majority of people in rural Ireland will only sign up to fiber to get better Netflix, mind you lots of people are already happy with the wireless service they have, which is why take up of eirs rural fiber broadband where it's available is so low

topper75

The fiber is priced rather stiffly. You'd want to be running a good home business to justify it. I couldn't justify it for leisure use.

gctest50

Bella Doyle wrote: »

There is this myth being pushed by the media that super fast fiber broadband in rural Ireland will mean that everyone will be able to set up a rival to Amazon.com from their spare room.

The reality is the vast majority of people in rural Ireland will only sign up to fiber to get better Netflix, mind you lots of people are already happy with the wireless service they have, which is why take up of eirs rural fiber broadband where it's available is so low

There is nothing stopping ya, except you

If you are the type that moans, you'll never make it

You will fail, just like you deserve to

Colonel Claptrap

I would move to the countryside in a heartbeat if I was guaranteed excellent fibre broadband.

I would work from home 3/4 days a week then make the long commute to Dublin for the other 1/2 days.

There are no jobs in my area of specialty in the West of Ireland. If I could move my job West, by working from home, I'd be delighted.

I'd say I'm not alone in thinking this.

mikhail

You don't need to set up Amazon to make something worthwhile. There are lots of decent reasons to build that infrastructure, like SMEs looking for a competitive (i.e. cheap) place to locate, remote workers, or providing for stuff that's in the pipeline (like remote healthcare).

BeerWolf

Wireless, yeah my 1-2MB download speeds are awesome....!

Come 5G that might get bumped up to 5MB. :rolleyes:

Oh, let's not forget the rather restrictive allowances on wireless...

And I live just 20 minutes away from Dublin, north side...

What was the point of this thread again?

gandalf

I don't think the reason behind rural broadband is setting up a Irish Amazon. It will allow people to work from home though and the trend is that more and more companies are looking to move out of valuable premises in the cities (Dublin) to small locations outside the city with shared deskspaces and allow their workers have the option to work from home a few days a week. I know I have that option and it's great to have it.

The up side for the companies is they can cash in on a valuable asset if the own the building or reduce their outgoings if they are renting it. For the employees it gives them more flexibility and improves their quality of life.

For it to be deliverable there needs to be access to a fast reliable internet connection.

my3cents

I thought the myth was that there was broadband in rural Ireland. We've certainly not got it.

ednwireland

It might not allow you to setup the next amaz o n but it will allow you to work from home. Video conference with colleagues. Hook into the ip phone system so it's like your at your desk and calls can be patched through etc etc.
Basically that's what providing this infrastructure will allow you can't do it on 1 or 2 mb connections.

Cockford Ollie

With 5G coming and plenty of other viable wireless technologies like Fixed Wireless Access, fiber to every home is crazy and crazy expensive.

Money should be used to invest in wireless technology, providing minimum connection speed and very low contention.

I worked in one of the biggest IT companies in the world and the internal network speed, between VPNs and and centralised servers, was very average. Probably maxed out at 15mpbs on most days. What rural companies need 1000mbps for I don't know.

2011

Bella Doyle wrote: »

There is this myth being pushed by the media that super fast fiber broadband in rural Ireland will mean that everyone will be able to set up a rival to Amazon.com from their spare room.

You are clearly living in the past. Not having access to broadband makes it difficult to operate many modern businesses.

Also as an employee I could work a few days a week from home if my broadband was up to it. Also why should I be denied Netflix in the evening just because I don’t live in the big smoke?

lots of people are already happy with the wireless service they have

Complete b0ll0cks

Seth Brundle

Bella Doyle wrote: »

There is this myth being pushed by the media that super fast fiber broadband in rural Ireland will mean that everyone will be able to set up a rival to Amazon.com from their spare room. The reality is the vast majority of people in rural Ireland will only sign up to fiber to get better Netflix, mind you lots of people are already happy with the wireless service they have, which is why take up of eirs rural fiber broadband where it's available is so low

Rural folk just want higher quality pr0n!
Self relief is a human right that is being denied by the government.

Graces7

my3cents wrote: »

I thought the myth was that there was broadband in rural Ireland. We've certainly not got it.

where are you? here in darkest offshore west mayo I have broadband. small local firm. before that in other rural areas, digiweb.

Of course there is broadband and broadband,

BeerWolf

ednwireland wrote: »

It might not allow you to setup the next amaz o n but it will allow you to work from home. Video conference with colleagues. Hook into the ip phone system so it's like your at your desk and calls can be patched through etc etc.
Basically that's what providing this infrastructure will allow you can't do it on 1 or 2 mb connections.

Feels like we''re still in this phase with how it's being handled;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A81IwlDeV6c

my3cents

2011 wrote: »

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Complete b0ll0cks

Depends on your use, fiber has come to within half a mile of me (then stopped :rolleyes:) and people I know using Wireless connections (not mobile broadband) are happy with the service and won't be going for fiber at twice the price.

gandalf

Cockford Ollie wrote: »

With 5G coming and plenty of other viable wireless technologies like Fixed Wireless Access, fiber to every home is crazy and crazy expensive.

Money should be used to invest in wireless technology, providing minimum connection speed and very low contention.

I worked in one of the biggest IT companies in the world and the internal network speed, between VPNs and and centralised servers, was very average. Probably maxed out at 15mpbs on most days. What rural companies need 1000mbps for I don't know.

Fibre to every home is never going to happen. We have too many one offs but Fibre to hubs with wireless from those hubs is an option. The more options we have the better. We are competing on a global stage and unfortunately one area that we have lagged behind on is our communications infrastructure because of the short sighted way that Telecom Eireann/Eircom/Eir was sold off and then allowed to fester between various different owners.

If we are going to make it attractive for FDI to set up businesses outside of the crowded confines of the greater Dublin area we need to have the infrastructure to support them and having broadband for as much of the country as possible is a must have (wireless or fixed line).

I live in Dublin but I see the need to spread out businesses across the country. Dublin is choking to death because of congestion and inflated property prices. Anything that makes it attractive for the MNC's to locate outside of Dublin should be given a priority at Government and Local levels.

TomSweeney

Out of interest what sort of speeds are rural people getting ? I know it's a very broad question, but what's considered "good" or "bad" if you live in Sherkin Island for example ?
or in County Laois ...

Graces7

TomSweeney wrote: »

Out of interest what sort of speeds are rural people getting ? I know it's a very broad question, but what's considered "good" or "bad" if you live in Sherkin Island for example ?
or in County Laois ...

I am with westnet
http://www.westnet.ie/

http://www.westnet.ie/packages/

Bob Harris

TomSweeney wrote: »

Out of interest what sort of speeds are rural people getting ? I know it's a very broad question, but what's considered "good" or "bad" if you live in Sherkin Island for example ?
or in County Laois ...

We see what you did there, Tom.

Bella Doyle

irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/low-rural-broadband-take-up-rate-alarms-government-1.3691397%3fmode=ampd

Cockford Ollie

TomSweeney wrote: »

Out of interest what sort of speeds are rural people getting ? I know it's a very broad question, but what's considered "good" or "bad" if you live in Sherkin Island for example ?
or in County Laois ...

In Laois, aptus offer FWA
http://aptus.ie

100mbps, 50mbps, 20mbps packages.

monkeybutter

This is clearly optics

Plus price gouging

these are the most commercially viable customers so no doubt are already the best connected, within 3k of an exchange

so why pay double for something they don't necessarily need right now

this is long term

connecting individual houses is a piece of piss, it's just throwing a bit of cable in

JohnnyFlash

Give the ESB a load of money to roll fibre out to every substation and then use wireless tech to solve the last mile issue.

2011

my3cents wrote: »

Depends on your use, fiber has come to within half a mile of me (then stopped :rolleyes:) and people I know using Wireless connections (not mobile broadband) are happy with the service and won't be going for fiber at twice the price.

There will always be a few exceptions, but they are a tiny minority.


In rural areas wireless broadband generally is extremely slow and very unreliable. Speeds can be so slow that pages won't load and card machines in shops time out.

2011

TomSweeney wrote: »

Out of interest what sort of speeds are rural people getting ? I know it's a very broad question, but what's considered "good" or "bad" if you live in Sherkin Island for example ?
or in County Laois ...

We waited around 5 years for fibre. Eventually Eir installed the cabinet at the entrance of our estate. They told us that they would hook us up "within a few weeks". That was around 8 years ago. What a pack of w@nkers!


Since that Eir have attempted to sell people in our estate 3mbs which in reality is less than 1mbs. Not many takers as you can imagine. Instead most go for a wireless service that is expensive, unreliable and provides around 5mbs on average (when it works).

zapitastas

Cockford Ollie wrote: »

With 5G coming and plenty of other viable wireless technologies like Fixed Wireless Access, fiber to every home is crazy and crazy expensive.

Money should be used to invest in wireless technology, providing minimum connection speed and very low contention.

I worked in one of the biggest IT companies in the world and the internal network speed, between VPNs and and centralised servers, was very average. Probably maxed out at 15mpbs on most days. What rural companies need 1000mbps for I don't know.

What magical wireless services are these that can provide a viable solution? 5g will be terrific in urban areas but forget about it once outside the town boundaries.

TomSweeney

Graces7 wrote: »

I am with westnet
http://www.westnet.ie/

http://www.westnet.ie/packages/

20Mb-100Mb depending on location hmmm.


Can you do a speedtest and post the results ?



www.speedtest.net

Cockford Ollie

zapitastas wrote: »

What magical wireless services are these that can provide a viable solution? 5g will be terrific in urban areas but forget about it once outside the town boundaries.

I said already, fixed wireless access. There are many other high capacity wireless technologies, like line of sight peer to peer.

I get 60mbps on 4G in the middle of nowhere in the south east.

I drive across the country regularly and with Android Auto I see the LTE icon in most places.

Money wasted on rural fiber should be invested in better wireless coverage.

monkeybutter

it's called line of sight, if you have it great, if you don't good luck

ChippingSodbury

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

I would move to the countryside in a heartbeat if I was guaranteed excellent fibre broadband.

I would work from home 3/4 days a week then make the long commute to Dublin for the other 1/2 days.

There are no jobs in my area of specialty in the West of Ireland. If I could move my job West, by working from home, I'd be delighted.

I'd say I'm not alone in thinking this.

Go for it! I moved to Sligo almost 5 years ago from Dublin. Best place to:

• Golf
• Mountainbike
• Surf
• Sail
• Swim
• Hillclimb/ Walk
• Bring up kids

Live in/ near the town and there is plenty of fibre broadband around.

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banie01

gctest50 wrote: »

There is nothing stopping ya, except you

If you are the type that moans, you'll never make it

You will fail, just like you deserve to

So you're saying I need a garage?
Bollocks!