Ireland is a puppet state of UK

Pretzeluck

See the country go into economic crisis after no deal Brexit, just see. Europe prepare the bail out money.

Peregrinus

Is the UK a puppet state of the EU, then?

Pretzeluck

Peregrinus wrote: »

Is the UK a puppet state of the EU, then?

No, UK is an economic powerhouse that is self sufficient. One of the top economies in the world.

Lucy8080

Pretzeluck wrote: »

See the country go into economic crisis after no deal Brexit, just see. Europe prepare the bail out money.

"Heor" you, we bailed out the British/ European and international market speculators.

We even paid the British a handsome Premium on a short term loan!

It's time for a rebate.

Bail us out lads!

We bailed out your City/market gamblers on their Irish losses. We ,for good measure, gave the British millions in interest, on a loan.

They knew we were good for it , If we bail out speculators, we will repay a loan.

How many British financial speculators benefited on both ends?

aido79

Pretzeluck wrote: »

No, UK is an economic powerhouse that is self sufficient. One of the top economies in the world.

Feel free to come back in 2 or 3 years time to update this statement.

4068ac1elhodqr

aido79 wrote: »

Feel free to come back in 2 or 3 years time to update this statement.

2050 will be more interesting moving the uk from current 5/6th, down to 13th place beside Turkey/Nigeria for GDP. And about 1/4 the worth of the Eurozone. And that assesment was even before the brexit event.

Duckworth_Luas

Pretzeluck wrote: »

See the country go into economic crisis after no deal Brexit, just see. Europe prepare the bail out money.

Hi Ivan! How is the weather in Moscow today?

Peregrinus

Pretzeluck wrote: »

No, UK is an economic powerhouse that is self sufficient. One of the top economies in the world.

But it will go into economic crisis after a no-deal Brexit; even its own government agencies say this. The UK is far more dependent on trade with the EU than Ireland is on trade with the UK. And not even the most one-eyed Brexit enthusiasts pretend that the UK is "self sufficient"; on food alone, it only produces about half of what it consumes. Can you really be ignorant of this?

Given the test that you have chosen for "puppet state", you're delusional if you imagine that we are not going to notice when you apply it to Ireland but not to the UK.

s7ryf3925pivug

Peregrinus wrote: »

But it will go into economic crisis after a no-deal Brexit; even its own government agencies say this. The UK is far more dependent on trade with the EU than Ireland is on trade with the UK. And not even the most one-eyed Brexit enthusiasts pretend that the UK is "self sufficient"; on food alone, it only produces about half of what it consumes. Can you really be ignorant of this?

Given the test that you have chosen for "puppet state", you're delusional if you imagine that we are not going to notice when you apply it to Ireland but not to the UK.

so payback for ww1, is what you're basically saying

Sycamore Tree

Brexit will never happen.

It's the Bobby Ewing shower scene.

Peregrinus

Kasen Microscopic Beehive wrote: »

so payback for ww1, is what you're basically saying

Sorry, what?

sbsquarepants

Pretzeluck wrote: »

No, UK is an economic powerhouse that is self sufficient. One of the top economies in the world.

You'd get more sense out of that skull you were looking to buy the other day!

King of Kings

Ireland is a willing puppet of the EU..attacking our closet neighbour and trading partner.

Read some sycophantic crap in the media (esp indo) that EU was standing by ireland and a great ally.
Fcuk that..it suits them to back us as their pawn while we shoot ourselves in the foot falling out with the UK..the EU will ride us good and proper like they did in 2007 when it suits them.
They are no friend of Ireland.

Leo is a clown...no doubt angling for a EU or UN post when this Taoiseach lark falls apart.

Cockford Ollie

Our economy will definitely crash on a no deal exit.

Thatnastyboy

King of Kings wrote: »

Ireland is a willing puppet of the EU..attacking our closet neighbour and trading partner.

Read some sycophantic crap in the media (esp indo) that EU was standing by ireland and a great ally.
Fcuk that..it suits them to back us as their pawn while we shoot ourselves in the foot falling out with the UK..the EU will ride us good and proper like they did in 2007 when it suits them.
They are no friend of Ireland.

Leo is a clown...no doubt angling for a EU or UN post when this Taoiseach lark falls apart.

Ya, meanwhile the brits are being the great neighbors they always have :pac:


I suppose you get your news from the Liberal or some other highly reputable source?

King of Kings

King of Kings wrote: »

Ireland is a willing puppet of the EU..attacking our closet neighbour and trading partner.

you should try coming out of the closet then

professore

If you are going to troll at least pick something that makes a little bit of sense.

relax carry on

God what a mess of a thread with no sense much like Brexit itself.

King of Kings

Aegir wrote: »

you should try coming out of the closet then

Fair cop.
Typing on phone while on the bus is fraught with danger.

King of Kings

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

Ya, meanwhile the brits are being the great neighbors they always have :pac:


I suppose you get your news from the Liberal or some other highly reputable source?

In the present they have been ...i live in the now..

As for my news source there is no point me answering that as your only line of rebutal is to try discredit me rather than the argument.
Kinda pathetic.

Thatnastyboy

King of Kings wrote: »

In the present they have been ...i live in the now..

As for my news source there is no point me answering that as your only line of rebutal is to try discredit me rather than the argument.
Kinda pathetic.

I don't know what now you are living in, but it's not the one I'm living in - UK politicians have recently threatened to cut off our food supply, (they can't - but they threatened it) is that neighborly?


Meanwhile the pesky EU have threatened to stand by us and offer any assistance needed during the mayhem of the upcoming shitstorm being caused by the UK. Not to mention negotiating with a hostile country for 2.5 years while never wavering away from the one thing we asked them to protect, real shower of crooks alright.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Cockford Ollie wrote: »

Our economy will definitely crash on a no deal exit.

Trade with the U.K. isn’t that big a percentage of gdp. More importantly they are still going to need food etc.

randd1

Pretzeluck wrote: »

See the country go into economic crisis after no deal Brexit, just see. Europe prepare the bail out money.

Given that you referred to yourself as a proud new Brit in another thread, is this post about Ireland or Britain being screwed?

seamusk84

I genuinely don’t believe people realize how much trouble we are in if the UK crashes out of the EU. Overnight our agri-food industry will be decimated. Huge ramifications for the Irish economy and yes it would send us into a tailspin.

To quote an Irish times article on our exports -

“According to Bord Bia, meat exports last year were worth €3.8 billion and accounted for 30 per cent of all Irish food and drink exports. Beef exports, some 50 per cent of which go to the UK, grew by 5 per cent to €2.5 billion, making beef the largest single component of the State's food trade.”

Under WTO rules there is up to a 60% tariff on beef exports.

I have worked with small businesses all over Ireland and in terms of export sales they are all heavily reliant on the UK market.

Genuinely we are looking at a huge hit to the Irish economy if there is no deal. Leo and co know this but just are afraid to usher the reality of it to the Irish public.

King of Kings

King of Kings wrote: »

Ireland is a willing puppet of the EU..attacking our closet neighbour and trading partner.

Read some sycophantic crap in the media (esp indo) that EU was standing by ireland and a great ally.
Fcuk that..it suits them to back us as their pawn while we shoot ourselves in the foot falling out with the UK..the EU will ride us good and proper like they did in 2007 when it suits them.
They are no friend of Ireland.

Leo is a clown...no doubt angling for a EU or UN post when this Taoiseach lark falls apart.

I love reading stuff like this.

Whenever I think of any problems in my own life, there are some things that comfort me to think about. Hope you don't mind me adding you to that list of things that make me grateful of what I've got.

seamusk84

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Trade with the U.K. isn’t that big a percentage of gdp. More importantly they are still going to need food etc.

Not that simple mate. There are tens of thousands of jobs that are indirectly impacted by our UK trade. It’s not just about the % of GDP UK trade encompasses.

Franz Von Peppercorn

What I see is 65% for beef and 40% for milk.

All the rest of the world will have a similar tariff though

RobMc59

Peregrinus wrote: »

Is the UK a puppet state of the EU, then?

More a puppet state of the US.

King of Kings

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

I don't know what now you are living in, but it's not the one I'm living in - UK politicians have recently threatened to cut off our food supply, (they can't - but they threatened it) is that neighborly?


Meanwhile the pesky EU have threatened to stand by us and offer any assistance needed during the mayhem of the upcoming shitstorm being caused by the UK. Not to mention negotiating with a hostile country for 2.5 years while never wavering away from the one thing we asked them to protect, real shower of crooks alright.

One politican did...a back bencer at that....ONE out of 650 MPs....wasnt even Prince Phillip but a back bench MP..get over your dramatics...

Hostile? Not saying the UK have been gracious but the hostile ones have been the EU aptly described as the ex girlfriend who keyed your car and stole your cat.
Purposely made it really hard for UK to leave in to make a stance and warn any others off considering leaving.

You are barking up the wrong tree.

King of Kings

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I love reading stuff like this.

Whenever I think of any problems in my own life, there are some things that comfort me to think about. Hope you don't mind me adding you to that list of things that make me grateful of what I've got.

Happy to help.

You are genuinely one of favourite posters as your threads tend to be interesting ..so all good.

P_1

It's the feckin Tories coming back to shaft us.

Not content with destroying their own country to feather their nests they now want to destroy ours.

Theyll be grand in a trade war. If we stop sending them the food and medicine we produce here it wont be them going hungry and sick, it will be your average punter in the UK. Usually I'm not a fan of political assassinations but there are quite a few people sitting in Westminster who could do with getting one

Thatnastyboy

King of Kings wrote: »

One politican did...a back bencer at that....ONE out of 650 MPs....wasnt even Prince Phillip but a back bench MP..get over your dramatics...

Hostile? Not saying the UK have been gracious but the hostile ones have been the EU aptly described as the ex girlfriend who keyed your car and stole your cat.
Purposely made it really hard for UK to leave in to make a stance and warn any others off considering leaving.

You are barking up the wrong tree.

The UK are leaving the club, but want to dictate how the club works after they leave.

This is the material fact of the whole situation.

The EU are preserving their own position, I don't see why they should pander to a soon to be ex-member ahead of looking after their own house.

You are meowing at the wrong flower.

ohnonotgmail

King of Kings wrote: »

One politican did...a back bencer at that....ONE out of 650 MPs....wasnt even Prince Phillip but a back bench MP..get over your dramatics...

Hostile? Not saying the UK have been gracious but the hostile ones have been the EU aptly described as the ex girlfriend who keyed your car and stole your cat.
Purposely made it really hard for UK to leave in to make a stance and warn any others off considering leaving.

You are barking up the wrong tree.

The only side that made it hard for the UK to leave the EU was the UK itself by way of its totally incompetent handling of negotiations. Helped by the fact that the UK didnt actually know what brexit actually meant or entailed and neither did the people who voted for it. There is a little bit more to international negotiation than posturing and sloganeering. Brexit means Brexit. What a stupid bloody slogan.

ceegee

King of Kings wrote: »

One politican did...a back bencer at that....ONE out of 650 MPs....wasnt even Prince Phillip but a back bench MP..get over your dramatics...

Hostile? Not saying the UK have been gracious but the hostile ones have been the EU aptly described as the ex girlfriend who keyed your car and stole your cat.
Purposely made it really hard for UK to leave in to make a stance and warn any others off considering leaving.

You are barking up the wrong tree.

The Tories can't even agree amongst themselves what they want, kinda makes it hard for the other side to reach an agreement with them.
Everyone knew from the offset what things the EU couldn't back down on, yet the Tories keep coming back with the same unworkable demands.

If I go into burger king and repeatedly order a big Mac and refuse anything else, who's fault is it if I end up with no food?

Gimme A Pound

"The Tories" this and that. I heard they're responsible for the bad weather.

The British Conservative Party are a diverse group of people. I wish folk would think and research for themselves instead of clinging to bandwagon buzzwords and views.

Sir Oxman

Deleted User wrote: »

I love reading stuff like this.

Whenever I think of any problems in my own life, there are some things that comfort me to think about. Hope you don't mind me adding you to that list of things that make me grateful of what I've got.

King of Kings wrote: »

Happy to help.

You are genuinely one of favourite posters as your threads tend to be interesting ..so all good.

Um...:pac:

sbsquarepants

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The only side that made it hard for the UK to leave the EU was the UK itself by way of its totally incompetent handling of negotiations. Helped by the fact that the UK didnt actually know what brexit actually meant or entailed and neither did the people who voted for it. There is a little bit more to international negotiation than posturing and sloganeering. Brexit means Brexit. What a stupid bloody slogan.

One of the most tragic/comical exchanges between world leaders you will ever witness was Angela Merkel repeatedly asking Theresa May "Can you please just tell us what it is you want?" and she couldn't.

Sums up brexit perfectly in two sentences!

EU: What do you want?.
UK: We don't know

ohnonotgmail

sbsquarepants wrote: »

One of the most tragic/comical exchanges between world leaders you will ever witness was Angela Merkel repeatedly asking Theresa May "Can you please just tell us what it is you want?" and she couldn't.

Sums up brexit perfectly in two sentences!

EU: What do you want?.
UK: We don't know

If those two lines were in a Shakespeare play you would have leaving cert students writing essays on their meaning and significance.

Grayson

ceegee wrote: »

The Tories can't even agree amongst themselves what they want, kinda makes it hard for the other side to reach an agreement with them.
Everyone knew from the offset what things the EU couldn't back down on, yet the Tories keep coming back with the same unworkable demands.

If I go into burger king and repeatedly order a big Mac and refuse anything else, who's fault is it if I end up with no food?

Not to mention the crap they're throwing our way. Twitter is filled with Brexiteers saying that Ireland is the EU's lapdog.

In reality we said we didn't want a hard border and the Eu are backing us up. Rather than our politicians doing what the EU wants, they are doing what the vast majority of the Irish public want and fighting for a frictionless border.
The Tories said they won't put a hard border in place. When they're asked to sign an agreement saying this, they say that they're being trapped.

We've had a Tory NI minister who didn't understand the very basics of northern Ireland politics. There was a Tory MP who thought that an english person could turn up in Dublin and get a passport. Really, they don't seem to have a clue about Ireland and think we're bullying them because we're standing up for our interests. And they seem to be really shocked that the rest of the EU is on our side.

1874

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

Brexit will never happen.

It's the Bobby Ewing shower scene.

They are really cutting it close, how are they going to wrangle it? the no confidence in May rejected, so whats the options?
A peoples vote? do we all/they have two years from March '19?
Im fairly sick of hearing the lickspitle Varadkers comments on it all, he really is trying to worm his way into an EU job as he knows he's done here.
I dont think anybody really expected a Bobby Ewing shower scene, so what drama do we have to look forward to? what are the possibilities?

ohnonotgmail

1874 wrote: »

They are really cutting it close, how are they going to wrangle it? the no confidence in May rejected, so whats the options?
A peoples vote? do we all/they have two years from March '19?
Im fairly sick of hearing the lickspitle Varadkers comments on it all, he really is trying to worm his way into an EU job as he knows he's done here.
I dont think anybody really expected a Bobby Ewing shower scene, so what drama do we have to look forward to? what are the possibilities?

There are only 3 scenarios:


1. Britain agrees a deal with the EU and leaves the EU on Mar 29 2019.
2. Britain has another referendum and decides to withdraw its Article 50 notification
3. If 1 or 2 do not happen then Britain automatically leaves the EU with no deal on Mar 29 2019.

Grayson

Just saw this. over 240k signatures

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963

We are wasting Billions of pounds of taxpayers money trying to negotiate in a short space of time. Leaving the EU in March 2019 will allow the UK good time to negotiate more efficiently. The EU will be more eager to accept a deal on our terms having lost a major partner.

More details
We will save billions of pounds from our EU divorce payment as well as a similar amount from Civil Service and Govt costs. This money will be used to support our own country whilst we await the EU to talk to us to make deals more in our favour. The EU border in Ireland to be managed simply by having a dual Euro / pound currency as legal tender in both the North and South. Exports to the South would be dealt with in Euro and vice versa when importing to the North. Rates fixed at time of the deal.

Their idea is that we partially adapt sterling as a currency with fixed rates.

gerrybbadd

How has the OP not been banned yet with constant troll thread creation going on?

s7ryf3925pivug

Peregrinus wrote: »

Sorry, what?

In the minds of the brexiteers they are defying the German invaders. Their own food production being below consumption reflects WW1 Germany when the German ports were blockaded and they as a nation were being gradually starved. A major factor no doubt in the sudden collapse of their forces which had been consistently gaining territory across France when they surrendered. That and the mental collapse of one of their commanders.

I thought that was what you were getting at anyway. [Now I'm a but nervous posting this in case that history postdoc guy spots it and rubbishes it like last time I said something about history on this forum]

topper75

Grayson wrote: »

Just saw this. over 240k signatures

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963



Their idea is that we partially adapt sterling as a currency with fixed rates.

Maybe I'm tired now and now thinking straight, but what has currency rates got to do with customs? It's about customs, right?

Kermit.de.frog

When the Prime Minister of Luxembourg couldn't care less what the UK does you know how far the country is down the pecking with Brexit OP.

https://twitter.com/brehonisbest/status/1073491717570117634

ceegee

topper75 wrote: »

Maybe I'm tired now and now thinking straight, but what has currency rates got to do with customs? It's about customs, right?

It's absolute nonsense, the fact that a quarter of a million people signed it just shows how meaningless online petitions are.

rossie1977

Pretzeluck wrote: »

No, UK is an economic powerhouse that is self sufficient. One of the top economies in the world.

Strong economy sure, it's the fifth biggest in the world. Self sufficient no way. UK doesn't produce enough of its own food or fuel for it's 66 million inhabitants, not by a long shot.

1st dalkey dalkey

"Purposely made it really hard for UK to leave in to make a stance and warn any others off considering leaving."

It is not hard to leave.
It is hard to get an acceptable agreement.

So the EU is not making it hard for the UK to leave. The UK is free to leave at any time, as is any other member.

But it is not free to dictate its future relationship with the EU. That requires negotiation and agreement.

We have had that negotiation and agreement. But now the UK decides it wants more, as it has always done.

The EU have had enough of that and effectively told May that it was finished with negotiation. Take the deal or leave it.

The UK can still leave quite easily. Just either accept the negotiated deal or leave without one. No one is stopping the UK but the UK itself.

Sir Oxman

1st dalkey dalkey wrote: »

"Purposely made it really hard for UK to leave in to make a stance and warn any others off considering leaving."

It is not hard to leave.
It is hard to get an acceptable agreement.

So the EU is not making it hard for the UK to leave. The UK is free to leave at any time, as is any other member.

But it is not free to dictate its future relationship with the EU. That requires negotiation and agreement.

We have had that negotiation and agreement. But now the UK decides it wants more, as it has always done.

The EU have had enough of that and effectively told May that it was finished with negotiation. Take the deal or leave it.

The UK can still leave quite easily. Just either accept the negotiated deal or leave without one. No one is stopping the UK but the UK itself.

Indeed.
What is making this difficult (for the British side) is that no other EU country leaving would be in their position, ie NI situation.
They, as they always do thought nothing of it as it was only Ireland and tried kicking that can into the transition period AFTER a withdrawal agreement had been negotiated.

Never in all my time have I seen or heard such a disastrous clusterfck of stupidity.

pavb2

Grayson wrote: »

We've had a Tory NI minister who didn't understand the very basics of northern Ireland politics. There was a Tory MP who thought that an english person could turn up in Dublin and get a passport. Really, they don't seem to have a clue about Ireland and think we're bullying them because we're standing up for our interests. And they seem to be really shocked that the rest of the EU is on our side.

I know and on The Chase last night one of the chasers The Sinnerman placed 11th in the 2018 World Quizzing Championships was asked which bay the River Liffey flowed into. . . Galway was his answer.

I just give up.