Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

markodaly

dermo888 wrote: »

Twenty family's and a power elite OWN Ireland and strangle 'we the people' through a plethora of layers. Top of that list is scumbag and ba$tard number one. Mr Dennis the Menace O'Brien.

I suppose that story goes down well down the local pub, but its a story all the same.

eagle eye

MrMusician18 wrote:

Half of Irish adults have below average intelligence.

And we have to live our lives understanding that.

MrMusician18 wrote:

But this thread is something else, it, along with Facebook and Twitter, would genuinely make you worried about the future. It's not the topic, but the way a large number of posters here have been taken in by populist bull**** living in a fantasy world where there is always someone else to blame.

This isn't as much about the man as it is about how things are done.
Bringing in thugs from the North to carry out this was grossly negligent.
People are also fed up with the nanny state mentality and are starting to fight back.
This type of thing is going to spread if the government aren't careful. They need to come out and say they understand why people have become irate over this and promise that things are going to change.

coolshannagh28

nthclare wrote: »

It's going to be worse than the last one.

Someone posting on this thread probably thinks they're on to a winner, beautiful wife, two cars nice house, 300% over priced.

Tommy Hilfiger or Ralph Lauren wardrobe, tacky handbags....

You know the usual tacky existence, no class whatsoever...

Five years time it'll be a different story.

I've seen it happen twice in the last 25 year's, still people are being lead by the carrot...

US stocks bracing for a crash , central banks have no tools to fight a recession , trade wars hotting up of which Brexit is one , repatriation of MNC profits , worldwide retail struggling . We are at the top of the cycle it could get ugly very quickly . The debtor in Strokestown could get his writedown yet.

fryup

super_furry wrote: »

Bringing down loyalist henchmen to evict old people from their home a couple of weeks before Christmas is a step too far. No sympathy for them.

is thats people's biggest gripe?

if they were a security firm with republican links would people have been fine with it?

eagle eye

fryup wrote:

if they were a security firm with republican links would people have been fine with it?

I don't think so. For a certain element it might be different but not for most.

runawaybishop

fryup wrote: »

is thats people's biggest gripe?

if they were a security firm with republican links would people have been fine with it?

No, they would be giving out about evicting people at Christmas.

Billcarson

markodaly wrote: »

Delusional? I don't believe in made up facts.

The simple fact is that it is getting tougher and tougher to make ends meet for many people in this country not all but many If you can't see that well I don't know what planet your living on.

expectationlost

Large farm

“They sold 65 acres some years back and that wouldn’t have made much of a dent in what they have. They’ve a large farm by local standards,

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/calm-after-the-eviction-storm-as-strokestown-property-reoccupied-1.3734733 how big is this guys farm?

MrMusician18

eagle eye wrote: »

And we have to live our lives understanding that.


This isn't as much about the man as it is about how things are done.
Bringing in thugs from the North to carry out this was grossly negligent.
People are also fed up with the nanny state mentality and are starting to fight back.
This type of thing is going to spread if the government aren't careful. They need to come out and say they understand why people have become irate over this and promise that things are going to change.

Fed up with nanny state mentality, yet willing to support someone who unwilling to face up to personal consequences for the contracts they voluntarily signed themselves up to.

It's a bit of a contradiction, no?

wyf437gn6btzue

dermo888 wrote: »

Stating it as fact, does not make it a truth. Its a truth of sorts, masked by layers of laws, and a draconian libel system. That reminds me of another 'least corrupt country' called Singapore, which is clean on outside appearances, but is merely a massive money laundering centre for the Asian elite.

Twenty family's and a power elite OWN Ireland and strangle 'we the people' through a plethora of layers. Top of that list is scumbag and ba$tard number one. Mr Dennis the Menace O'Brien.

Denis O`Brien doesn't even live in Ireland you donut

gctest50

nthclare wrote: »

This is the tip of the iceberg.

Wait until the next bust.

I'd say 10% of the working population has a secure enough job to take out a mortgage.
It's win win for the financial sector.

Everything is wrapped up in red tape and contradiction.

Most financial sector job's, factories, retail businesses, the IT sector, the construction industry, none of these can foresee people lasting 35 year's in job.

But yet the banks give out mortgages to people who haven't secure jobs.

It's all speculation and bull****, a dog with a mallet up his arse knows most people are having the wool pulled over their eye's.

Guard's can't even afford mortgages now, while back in the 80's and 90's a guard or prison officer could get a good mortgage support a family of 5
Now people can hardly live a humble lifestyle.

AIB suggested during 2003 I invest 180,000 inheritance in shares, and take out a mortgage instead of buying a house for cash.

I bought the house for cash, another family member did the investment and got the mortgage.

Who's living in heartbreak hotel now ?

Guy's in suit's working for guy's in suit's...

And where would you be without the 180,000 inheritance ?

nthclare wrote: »

AIB suggested during 2003 I invest 180,000 inheritance in shares, and take out a mortgage instead of buying a house for cash.

I bought the house for cash,

you'd be in the same position as many more

Very few positions are "guaranteed"

eg.

someone could employ a load of men from rural Africa

Provide them with the best training, PPE and chainsaws etc

Then promote them to county councils :

* Fast : faster than one lad taking all summer to do it

* Your name in lights ! you'll be on the paper so you will for employing these lads

I might ask the doctor over the road does he have any cousins or anything from back home that are mad for the bit of outdoor work

eagle eye

MrMusician18 wrote:

Fed up with nanny state mentality, yet willing to support someone who unwilling to face up to personal consequences for the contracts they voluntarily signed themselves up to.

Have you read my posts. Where have you seen me defend McGann? My gripe is getting thugs from the north to come down to do the eviction.

MrMusician18 wrote:

It's a bit of a contradiction, no?

As above, learn to read.

gandalf

fryup wrote: »

is thats people's biggest gripe?

if they were a security firm with republican links would people have been fine with it?

TBH there are a wide and disparate number of reasons from looking at this thread

• Loyalists
• Its Christmas
• Stick it to the banks
• Fighting for the little guy
• Rough Eviction
• Farmers have it tough
• Sean Fitz and the boys got off
• Immigrants
• etc

nthclare

gctest50 wrote: »

And where would you be without the 180,000 inheritance ?




you'd be in the same position as many more

Very few positions are "guaranteed"

eg.

someone could employ a load of men from rural Africa

Provide them with the best training, PPE and chainsaws etc

Then promote them to county councils :

* Fast : faster than one lad taking all summer to do it

* Your name in lights ! you'll be on the paper so you will for employing these lads

I might ask the doctor over the road does he have any cousins or anything from back home that are mad for the bit of outdoor work

It's ok the 180,000 inheritance is only a Small fraction of it, I'm alright Jack

You're pretty good at research, well done
Thumbs up

the butcher

gnf_ireland wrote: »

Well done for having the strength to stay with your convictions. The problem here is banks cannot give financial advice - they are not independent

If someone wants or needs financial advice, they need to go to someone completely independent and pay for it. If they are not paying for it, they are simply going to a salesperson who is getting remunerated via commission

But I agree with you regarding the next bust - it will not be pretty for a lot of people

The banks are nothing but sales people....money collectors.

But sales people with the power to evict and were incentivised to screw people...let us not forget the bonuses during the bubble and all that nonsense Anglo/Nationwide got up to. And government/agencies/banks actively encouraged farmers to remortgage to modernise equipment and tools after being warned of being left behind and failing. Must get to those output numbers. Oh the milk quotas...oh the beef prices are to the floor....oh well, give us your land.

nthclare

Ush1 wrote: »

More of a Hugo Boss man myself.

Check out Belstaff, they go well with Hugo boss.

Iron ranger's boots and a land rover, you're sorted

MrMusician18

eagle eye wrote: »

Have you read my posts. Where have you seen me defend McGann? My gripe is getting thugs from the north to come down to do the eviction.


As above, learn to read.

Perhaps you should read your own posts. You said "People are fed up with the nanny state mentality", how can you square that statement when "People" are supporting those unwilling to accept he consequences of the free decisions they made

FredFunk

gandalf wrote: »

TBH there are a wide and disparate number of reasons from looking at this thread

• Loyalists
• Its Christmas
• Stick it to the banks
• Fighting for the little guy
• Rough Eviction
• Farmers have it tough
• Sean Fitz and the boys got off
• Immigrants
• etc

And five parcels of land of which 65 acres wouldn't make a large dent in.
It is all the hallmarks of the Sean Quinn situation. He gambled, he lost.

eagle eye

MrMusician18 wrote:

Perhaps you should read your own posts. You said "People are fed up with the nanny state mentality", how can you square that statement when "People" are supporting those unwilling to accept he consequences of the free decisions they made

I said people are irate that unionist thugs have been brought down from Northern Ireland to do the eviction.
People are not willing to keep the head down any longer.

fryup

FredFunk wrote: »

It is all the hallmarks of the Sean Quinn situation. He gambled, he lost.

and the roughians came to his aid as well :cool: oh to be a friend of SF

ohnonotgmail

eagle eye wrote: »

I said people are irate that unionist thugs have been brought down from Northern Ireland to do the eviction.
People are not willing to keep the head down any longer.

would it have made any difference if they were not from the north? What company from the south would do the job given the violent reaction that normally follows these evictions? People putting pics of the guys on FB and asking for them to be identified.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

I said people are irate that unionist thugs have been brought down from Northern Ireland to do the eviction.
People are not willing to keep the head down any longer.

Yawn... he owes near a half a mill to the revenue.

The same "people not willing to keep their head down any longer" will be bitching on social media in a month about hospital waiting lists and how the social welfare is too low.

eagle eye

ohnonotgmail wrote:

would it have made any difference if they were not from the north? What company from the south would do the job given the violent reaction that normally follows these evictions? People putting pics of the guys on FB and asking for them to be identified.

I'm sure it could be done in a far more civil manner. Just put a bit of thought into it.

ohnonotgmail

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm sure it could be done in a far more civil manner. Just put a bit of thought into it.

how exactly? they refused to leave. should the security guys have just gone home?

markodaly

Billcarson wrote: »

The simple fact is that it is getting tougher and tougher to make ends meet for many people in this country not all but many If you can't see that well I don't know what planet your living on.

Yes, things are getting worse, despite disposable income going up.

https://www.joe.ie/news/average-weekly-disposable-income-ireland-652097

Facts, eh? Pesky things.

fryup

eagle eye wrote: »

I said people are irate that unionist thugs have been brought down from Northern Ireland to do the eviction.
People are not willing to keep the head down any longer.

so thats the crux of the matter then? not the eviction per se but the fact the security firm were from the wrong tribe

if they were SF thugs ...would you still have a problem?

MrMusician18

eagle eye wrote: »

And we have to live our lives understanding that.


This isn't as much about the man as it is about how things are done.
Bringing in thugs from the North to carry out this was grossly negligent.
People are also fed up with the nanny state mentality and are starting to fight back.
This type of thing is going to spread if the government aren't careful. They need to come out and say they understand why people have become irate over this and promise that things are going to change.

eagle eye wrote: »

I said people are irate that unionist thugs have been brought down from Northern Ireland to do the eviction.
People are not willing to keep the head down any longer.

I've highlighted what you wrote to help you. Not willing to keep the head down has nothing to do with the nanny state. The nanny state is one which takes all the decisions for the individual, "nanny knows best". Being fed up with the nanny state would suggest people should have more personal responsibility, like paying their loans or facing the consequences when they don't.

FredFunk

eagle eye wrote: »

I said people are irate that unionist thugs have been brought down from Northern Ireland to do the eviction.
People are not willing to keep the head down any longer.

Correct me if I am wrong, the GFA forgave all thugs on both sides.
The soft border on this Island allows freedom of trade and services.
Repossession is not for the faint-hearted, especially when the occupants refuse to budge. Ok it could have been handled a little better (wait til Jan) , but that hardly tips the scales of sympathy in favour of the occupants.

gandalf

the butcher wrote: »

The banks are nothing but sales people....money collectors.

But sales people with the power to evict and were incentivised to screw people...let us not forget the bonuses during the bubble and all that nonsense Anglo/Nationwide got up to. And government/agencies/banks actively encouraged farmers to remortgage to modernise equipment and tools after being warned of being left behind and failing. Must get to those output numbers. Oh the milk quotas...oh the beef prices are to the floor....oh well, give us your land.

They are a business, their job is to make money from their customers. The problem with Ireland is that in the past people put the banks on the same pedestal they had the Clergy and school teachers on. They thought they were there for the peoples benefit. They aren't they will advise people on whats better for their bottom line. Even worse the employees advised people for whats best for their own salary. Incentivised to sell mortgages then they will sell as many mortgages as possible. I remember around 2004 a colleague printing out "wage slips" in the office he had doctored to make it look like he earned more to get his mortgage. His mortgage advisor told him to do it. This was common place. People knew it was wrong but they played along.

A home is the biggest purchase most of us will ever make. If you aren't comfortable with the ins and outs of it you need to get independent advice. If you make a stupid decision then you should be prepared for the consequences. The problem is that many will do anything to get a mortgage including making stupid decisions and getting themselves into debt they can't afford and then they put their head in the sand and hide from taking responsibility for it.

Yes banks were culpable but it's a two way decision and people have to take responsibility for that as well. The chancer at the centre of this whole controversy is probably an example of the worst case in this scenario and is going to effect sympathy for the genuine cases out there where people have tried their best to service their debt but despite this can't.

rivegauche

He didn't enter bankruptcy or it is not reported that he entered bankruptcy.
5 folios of land. One or two could have been sold off to satisfy his creditors.
Tradespeople in rural Ireland dread a certain type of neighbour who expects a service in advance and you can't refuse them otherwise you are the one who is seen to be unfair.
If they are buying a machine or service you hope it is not expensive so that you don't risk your own future and can write off the loss.
You also curse the bank giving them a cheque book full of blank cheques which they will bounce with impunity in the locality.

I know tradepeople who have been reduced to poverty because of a certain type of person who doesn't pay and the sensible ones just write it off while the less sensible ones waste away their lives in the courts trying to get their unpaid bills paid.