Vintage Car Scam........in Rathkeale!

maxwell smart

Well I see that some locals in Rathkeale had a very nice little earner going....

Scamming elderly people out of the value of their classic / vintage cars.

Very surprised such a charming little village is at the centre of a criminal enterprise.....:rolleyes:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/four-men-arrested-following-investigation-into-vintage-car-scam-37615413.html

DrumSteve

Excellent, just in time for hourly traveller bashing thread.

maxwell smart

Spastic Awareness Day wrote: »

This would be part of the famous traveller culture I keep hearing about?

I don't know, the article doesn't actually mention their ethnicity, only their location. Make of that what you will...

theguzman

Its our culture, sure its pure vintage boss.

ELM327

No details given. Were the cars stolen? Or just well haggled?
How is it a scam?

DavidLyons_

DrumSteve wrote: »

Excellent, just in time for hourly traveller bashing thread.

Yeah, let’s not talk about these things. Best ignored eh?

fryup

and how does the scam work?

pjohnson

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

Yeah, let’s not talk about these things. Best ignored eh?

Well other criminal issues aren't meant to be talked about here. Guess they are less relevant.

blanch152

DrumSteve wrote: »

Excellent, just in time for hourly traveller bashing thread.

pjohnson wrote: »

Well other criminal issues aren't meant to be talked about here. Guess they are less relevant.

You can take the view that it is unfortunate that so many incidents of traveller criminal activity are coincidentally coming to light so soon after the debate ignited by Peter Casey.

Or you can take the view that this is further evidence of ingrained criminality being part of Traveller culture.

We are all free to decide which.

Plumbthedepths

They are an enterprising bunch, wasn't it endangered species a couple of years ago. Great culture worth preserving and protecting with a specific ethnicity status.

Rory28

ELM327 wrote: »

No details given. Were the cars stolen? Or just well haggled?
How is it a scam?

From the Garda appeal in the article.

"I would like to appeal today, particularly to the elderly community to contact your local Garda Station if you believe that you have been deceived in the purchase/sale of a vintage or classic car in circumstances where either money has not been received or money received far less than that of the value of the car."

Sounds like they either never received payment or got less than was negotiated.

Plumbthedepths

DrumSteve wrote:

Excellent, just in time for hourly traveller bashing thread.

Hourly?slight exaggeration there. Although it was RTE who highlighted where the lads are from. 2 + 2 and all that.

Grayson

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Hourly?slight exaggeration there. Although it was RTE who highlighted where the lads are from. 2 + 2 and all that.

2+2 = Traveller bashing time?

DavidLyons_

Grayson wrote: »

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Hourly?slight exaggeration there. Although it was RTE who highlighted where the lads are from. 2 + 2 and all that.

2+2 = Traveller bashing time?

No need for any bashing of travellers on here. They seem to be doing a wonderful job of exposing the true nature of their “culture “ all on their own.

Plumbthedepths

Grayson wrote:

2+2 = Traveller bashing time?

Seems highlighting criminal behaviour is travelling bashing. Maybe if less travellers were involved in criminal behaviour the bashing wouldn't be so common.

ELM327

Rory28 wrote: »

From the Garda appeal in the article.

"I would like to appeal today, particularly to the elderly community to contact your local Garda Station if you believe that you have been deceived in the purchase/sale of a vintage or classic car in circumstances where either money has not been received or money received far less than that of the value of the car."

Sounds like they either never received payment or got less than was negotiated.

But sure no one in their right mind would give away the car before payment in full. Hence my question about methodology

Rory28

ELM327 wrote: »

But sure no one in their right mind would give away the car before payment in full. Hence my question about methodology

Elderly people are easy to intimidate. You cannot be that naive.

Plumbthedepths

I know slightly off topic, but another three members of the cultural enriched group had their case for discrimination thrown out against a Killarney hotel. Also carried by RTE news. Is the media willing to highlight the behaviour of this group after Casey's vote?

maxwell smart

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I know slightly off topic, but another three members of the cultural enriched group had their case for discrimination thrown out against a Killarney hotel. Also carried by RTE news. Is the media willing to highlight the behaviour of this group after Casey's vote?

Suing the hotel that holds regular meeting of a Traveller rights group that highlights discrimination against travellers in Killarney pubs and hotels!! You can't make this stuff up. It's like a Monty Python sketch!!

Deebles McBeebles

maxwell smart wrote: »

Suing the hotel that holds regular meeting of a Traveller rights group that highlights discrimination against travellers in Killarney pubs and hotels!! You can't make this stuff up. It's like a Monty Python sketch!!

Fawlty Towers, don't mention the culture.

KrustyUCC

Garda left with ‘broken nose and cheekbones’ following Limerick assault

INVESTIGATIONS are continuing after an off-duty detective was found with a broken nose and two fractured cheekbones following an attack in Limerick on Tuesday night.

The detective was discovered with serious injuries in the Augustinian Lane area, near Roches Street, at approximately 2.30 am on Tuesday night.

His phone was also stolen in the attack.

The garda, who was off-duty at the time of his assault, is based in Dublin, it is understood.

He was believed to be in Limerick investigating a vintage car scam, according to the Irish Daily Star.

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/352983/garda-left-with-broken-nose-and-cheekbones-following-limerick-assault.html

Plumbthedepths

KrustyUCC wrote:

INVESTIGATIONS are continuing after an off-duty detective was found with a broken nose and two fractured cheekbones following an attack in Limerick on Tuesday night.

Time to remove the kid gloves.

KrustyUCC

I imagine this will increase the focus on that game over the Christmas period

Not very smart assaulting and robbing a Garda involved in the investigation

You would think it's clearly linked

seamie78

what was the scam? people receiving less than their car was worth....does that mean if I find a good deal somewhere on a car(unlikely I know) I am scamming the seller

Deebles McBeebles

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I imagine this will increase the focus on that game over the Christmas period

Not very smart assaulting and robbing a Garda involved in the investigation

You would think it's clearly linked

Any word on those involved? Could have been anyone really, off duty garda looks like any of the rest of us. Would be a big coincidence I know but worth mentioning.

seamie78 wrote: »

what was the scam? people receiving less than their car was worth....does that mean if I find a good deal somewhere on a car(unlikely I know) I am scamming the seller

Elderly folks selling their cars and getting less than what was promised or nothing at all. Its stealing basically.

kona

seamie78 wrote: »

what was the scam? people receiving less than their car was worth....does that mean if I find a good deal somewhere on a car(unlikely I know) I am scamming the seller

They left a deposit and took the car for "inspection" and never returned the cars.

Now run along and go somewhere else to defend these filth.

seamie78

Elderly folks selling their cars and getting less than what was promised or nothing at all. Its stealing basically.[/QUOTE]

that to me is straightforward theft hardly a scam

seamie78

a scam makes it sound clever

KrustyUCC

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Any word on those involved? Could have been anyone really, off duty garda looks like any of the rest of us. Would be a big coincidence I know but worth mentioning.

No official word yet

No arrests have been made and investigations are ongoing, a garda spokesperson confirmed.

Yeah could really be a big coincidence true that an off duty Garda based in Dublin just so happened to be viciously assaulted in Limerick after being involved in this particular investigation

seamie78

kona wrote: »

They left a deposit and took the car for "inspection" and never returned the cars.

Now run along and go somewhere else to defend these filth.

Not sure where you saw me defending anyone, now run along and stop jumping to assumptions

Deebles McBeebles

seamie78 wrote: »

that to me is straightforward theft hardly a scam

The fact that there are multiple people involved, all committing the same crime, would mean it can be defined as a scam. Its not a one off theft, its an on going "scam".

Deebles McBeebles

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah could really be a big coincidence true that an off duty Garda based in Dublin just so happened to be viciously assaulted in Limerick after being involved in this particular investigation

I thought you got assaulted automatically as you crossed the border into Limerick?

KrustyUCC

I better be careful crossing the border at Charleville at the weekend so lol

Gazzmonkey

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Seems highlighting criminal behaviour is travelling bashing. Maybe if less travellers were involved in criminal behaviour the bashing wouldn't be so common.

Here here

Filthy gnashers

Deebles McBeebles

Following on from the last one, another garda assaulted. WTF is going on?

https://www.thejournal.ie/roscommon-garda-4392869-Dec2018/

KrustyUCC

Not a good time for the Gardai

This one was on duty at the time I believe

the_syco

seamie78 wrote: »

Elderly folks selling their cars and getting less than what was promised or nothing at all. Its stealing basically.

that to me is straightforward theft hardly a scam

It's theft if it was stolen. It's a scam if the goods were handed over, but payment never happened.

the_syco

DrumSteve wrote: »

Excellent, just in time for hourly traveller bashing thread.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/gardasiochana-rathkeale-vintagecar-irish-travellers-13720555

A notorious traveller crime gang is at the centre of a suspected scam involving expensive vintage and classic cars.

They do such a good job bashing themselves, though!

KrustyUCC

Very interesting article thanks

Henry Ford III

I'm told the CAB are paying a lot of attention to these people. Their profilers are busy compiling cases for tax evasion and welfare fraud.

About time too.

p.s. https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/352983/garda-left-with-broken-nose-and-cheekbones-following-limerick-assault.html?fbclid=IwAR2bm64BNst-7V0oce2jLCFVvlOEcBlRxXhgD2XwFvwoUQvoGRlUSEUtEzI

the_syco

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I'm told the CAB are paying a lot of attention to these people. Their profilers are busy compiling cases for tax evasion and welfare fraud.

About time too.

p.s. https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/352983/garda-left-with-broken-nose-and-cheekbones-following-limerick-assault.html?fbclid=IwAR2bm64BNst-7V0oce2jLCFVvlOEcBlRxXhgD2XwFvwoUQvoGRlUSEUtEzI

It's eh, something the travellers can't call discrimination on! :pac:

seamie78

seamie78 wrote: »

what was the scam? people receiving less than their car was worth....does that mean if I find a good deal somewhere on a car(unlikely I know) I am scamming the seller

My ole lad got his hedge cut one summer, agreed price of €100 ......... light skim of hedge done and the price was then €150 iirc. My Dad felt intimidated so handed over the cash.

I can imagine similar being done with cars etc and on a larger scale, the media aren't giving all of the details on this.

KrustyUCC

More details might come out when the DDP decide to prosecute

CinemaGuy45

DrumSteve wrote: »

Excellent, just in time for hourly traveller bashing thread.

What does it mean bashing you mean don’t pay attention to Travellers crime just put you fingers in your ears and go la la la la la la la racist la la la la la la Traveller bashing la la la la la la I am virtue signaling la la la la la la I would not live beside myself la la la la la la two thanks from Afterhours left that was worth it la la la la.

ELM327

KrustyUCC wrote: »

More details might come out when the DDP decide to prosecute

Hope he sharpens the diamond cutter on them for sure...

KrustyUCC

Ha true

DPP lol

Deebles McBeebles

Wait... so DPP does not stand for Double Penetration Paddy....thought it was the best traveller nickname I'd heard in ages.

I imagined he'd gotten the name from calling out 2 lads on each callout video.

KevinCavan

For every 5000 law abiding travellers, there’s one bad apple.

ELM327

KevinCavan wrote: »

For every 5000 law abiding travellers, there’s one bad apple.

I would love to see a study on the number of crimes perpetuated by travellers per capita , and the same for "settled" people.


I don't think your 5000:1 hypothesis would be supported, or even close to representative, frankly.

Rory28

KevinCavan wrote: »

For every 5000 law abiding travellers, there’s one bad apple.

There are 31,000 travellers in Ireland. Going by your figures that means there are 6 criminals in Ireland that are travellers. Does that sound right to you?

Deebles McBeebles

Rory28 wrote: »

There are 31,000 travellers in Ireland. Going by your figures that means there are 6 criminals in Ireland that are travellers. Does that sound right to you?

They must work bloody hard.