The day music changed

PTH2009

38 years ago today (time difference counted) John Lennon died

Reading on Wikipedia apparently the exact time his was announced dead the Beatles song 'all my loving' was playing over the hospitals PA

pleas advice

Bye Bye miss American Pie

PTH2009

pleas advice wrote: »

Bye Bye miss American Pie

Another ageless tale of great artists untimely deaths

I wonder In 50/60 years from now if someone famous died would they be songs like this wrote ???

Prob social media would eliminate the shock element

sabat

We'll be able to tell our grandchildren where we were when we heard x78CccXx6 got shot.

Samuri Suicide

90's 'fcuk you I won't do what ya tell me'

Now #metoo

The high horse brigade

I'll tell my grand kids I was part of the movement that got Rage against the Machine to Christmas number one instead of the guaranteed success of the X factor crap

StupidLikeAFox

The high horse brigade wrote: »

I'll tell my grand kids I was part of the movement that got Rage against the Machine to Christmas number one instead of the guaranteed success of the X factor crap

They probably won't care

The high horse brigade

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

They probably won't care

Oh I know they won't care, it meant something to me at the time to make a statement. To me that was the end of an era.

I remember my mam balling her eyes out when Phil Lynott died, I guess to her that was a defining moment of her era

emptyhouse2222

PTH2009 wrote: »

38 years ago today (time difference counted) John Lennon died

Reading on Wikipedia apparently the exact time his was announced dead the Beatles song 'all my loving' was playing over the hospitals PA

john lenin was the original open borders shill
a well deserved bullet

Omackeral

Lennon was a woman beating, mentally abusive scumbag. Used to tell his own child Julian that he "hates that fcuking laugh" when the kid would giggle

mr_edge_to_you

The Beatles were a sexist organisation anyway. Completely ridiculous that there was no women in the band.

the beer revolu

I thought this thread was going to be about Sonic Youth's Teenage Riot intro being used in a perfume ad.

Music is dead.

Signore Fancy Pants

John Lennon is overrated.

Gwynplaine

Señor Santa Pants wrote: »

John Lennon is overrated.

Extremely

dxhound2005

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Oh I know they won't care, it meant something to me at the time to make a statement. To me that was the end of an era.

I remember my mam balling her eyes out when Phil Lynott died, I guess to her that was a defining moment of her era

You shouldn't be proud of being led by an organised internet campaign. It was the other side of the same X Factor coin. Some other year it might be a singing nun who goes viral.

RhubarbCrumble

Omackeral wrote: »

Lennon was a woman beating, mentally abusive scumbag. Used to tell his own child Julian that he "hates that fcuking laugh" when the kid would giggle

A nasty piece of work. Him and Yoko Ono were well matched.
Julian's mother Cynthia was a real lady.

The high horse brigade

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You shouldn't be proud of being led by an organised internet campaign. It was the other side of the same X Factor coin. Some other year it might be a singing nun who goes viral.

A singing nun, bring it on, would be a welcome break from the constant remixes of safe ballads the X factor churn out year upon year to reap the pennies of the Christmas market

Pac1Man

He was a cùnt in fairness.

_Kaiser_

I never liked the Beatles. I get their influence on their time, but the music itself never appealed to me.

For me music died for the most part around 15 years ago. I still listen to the radio in the car but mostly Newstalk these days. Still, occasionally I do hear a good song from the "modern era".

Most of the time when I want some music for my drive, I just stick with the mp3 playlist.

holystungun9

No, no,
No, no, no, no,
No, no, no, no,
No, no...

AllGunsBlazing

One of my earliest childhood memories was standing beside my mother while she discussed his death with her friend. I had no clue who John Lennon was but it seemed pretty obvious from her tone of voice that he was someone of importance.

It's a bitter irony that Lennon's inability to live up to his own pontificating would play a big part in lighting Chapman's fuse. He was the absolute embodiment of a double standard in terms of what he was preaching to his audience and how he conducted himself privately. But he sure as hell didn't deserve to be murdered for that.

Also, if we're being brutally honest here, Lennon had ceased to be musically relevant many years before his death. His solo material was patchy at best. Although the same criticism applies to his former bandmates as well.

RobbingBandit

Ronald Regan is smiling in actor president heaven, damn beatnik hippy got me shot

Beasty

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Ronald Regan is smiling in actor president heaven, damn beatnik hippy got me shot

Won't be smiling when Donald Trump sets up camp...

RobbingBandit

pleas advice wrote: »

Bye Bye miss American Pie

While Lennon read a book on marx or was that Lenin read a book on marx most likely the first one contradictory hippy bastid ooooooooohhhh im anti establishment but I've made loads of money ripping off idiots with my ****ty music damn hippies

Atoms for Peace

the beer revolu wrote: »

I thought this thread was going to be about Sonic Youth's Teenage Riot intro being used in a perfume ad.

Music is dead.

Thurston's got bills to pay.

Trigger Happy

Elvis’s death had a bigger impact on our house than Lennon.
Still though, Mark Chapman really should be released soon...that’s a lot of time served.

the beer revolu

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Thurston's got bills to pay.

I don't begrudge any artist making a few bucks but ............ a perfume ad:eek::eek::eek:

The Velvet Underground's music was commercialised years ago but at least it was a pretty cool tyre add with weird arty stuff in it. This is one of those terrible wishy washy perfume ads.

PTH2009

For all those artists who made Xmas songs

It's ching ching time baby
Royalties sweet Royalties

Cazale

Chapman had a ticket for a play David Bowie was appearing in the next night and planned to kill him too.

Mad_maxx

pleas advice wrote: »

Bye Bye miss American Pie

That (dreadful) song is about buddy Holly.

mad muffin

November the 24th 1991 is the correct date music died.

greencap

Cazale wrote: »

Chapman had a ticket for a play David Bowie was appearing in the next night and planned to kill him too.

can't fault his ambition or work ethic.

EdgeCase

A bit of economic and political turmoil tends to produce good music. When Brexit really kicks off into chaos early next year the quality of British music will increase in an inverse relationship with political stability.

When times are really good you get the Spice Girls, Steps and people buying Westlife albums.

Hammer89

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Elvis’s death had a bigger impact on our house than Lennon.
Still though, Mark Chapman really should be released soon...that’s a lot of time served.

Only if he promises to shoot Jason Derulo.

bnt

Say what you like about Yoko - and boy, hasn't a lot been said over the years? - she probably kept Lennon from dying years earlier. As well as making him as happy as any woman probably could, and sorting out his finances, the words to Imagine are straight out of poems she wrote in the 1960s before she even met him.

They were both fairly clueless in some ways back then. In one interview she basically admitted that the only reason they didn't get seriously hooked on heroin was that they were both scared of needles. Snorting the stuff did them little harm because the stuff they could get from their "connection" - when they could get it - was mostly baby powder. :rolleyes:

zapitastas

Probably died with the shotgun shell Kurt Cobain blasted into his head. Is generally considered the time that the music industry decided that the next wave of big stars would have to be able to be controlled. The day of the manically depressed drug addicted unreliable star was gone

PopePalpatine

PTH2009 wrote: »

For all those artists who made Xmas songs

It's ching ching time baby
Royalties sweet Royalties

Spare a thought for the till drawer at Shane McGowan's local.

Conall Cernach

1980 was a bit of a bollox when it came to musicians dying. As well as John Lennon Bon Scott, Ian Curtis and John Bonham all died that year well before their time.

biko

John and Yoko, not forgotten

Harry Palmr

The day music changed was when the first Fairlight CMI was installed.

Laois_Man

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Also, if we're being brutally honest here, Lennon had ceased to be musically relevant many years before his death. His solo material was patchy at best. Although the same criticism applies to his former bandmates as well.

I actually thing "Woman", "Watching the Wheels", "Just like Starting Over" and "Beautiful Boy", released as part of the Double Fantasy album just 2-months before he died, was as good as almost anything The Beatles or any of it's individual members ever produced.

El Tarangu

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The day music changed was when the first Fairlight CMI was installed.

Was just thinking the same thing; I'm getting mad into Depeche Mode at the minute. Looking at some of their early performances, which seem quite futuristic for the time (all of the lads standing around playing the keyboard with one hand), it's hard to believe that it was barely 10 years after the break-up of the Beatles. Mad to look at how quickly popular music evolved in the second half of the 20th century.

machiavellianme

mad muffin wrote: »

November the 21st 1991 is the correct date music died.

Kiss are good and all, but losing their drummer was hardly the death knell for music in the same way as the loss of Kurt, Prince or Bowie was.

LETHAL LADY

Like everything in life, music has been corporatised. I can't pinpoint the exact moment, but then again I should have been born in the sixties ideally.

Ipso

Laois_Man wrote: »

I actually thing "Woman", "Watching the Wheels", "Just like Starting Over" and "Beautiful Boy", released as part of the Double Fantasy album just 2-months before he died, was as good as almost anything The Beatles or any of it's individual members ever produced.

He has some great stuff, but I think his image overshadows it a bit (and lets be honest it could be insufferable and he was anbit of a htpocrit).

gormdubhgorm

Ipso wrote: »

He has some great stuff, but I think his image overshadows it a bit (and lets be honest it could be insufferable and he was anbit of a htpocrit).

Plus he let Yoko 'sing'.

mad muffin

machiavellianme wrote: »

Kiss are good and all, but losing their drummer was hardly the death knell for music in the same way as the loss of Kurt, Prince or Bowie was.

Oh behave you tart…

Franz Von Peppercorn

El Tarangu wrote: »

Was just thinking the same thing; I'm getting mad into Depeche Mode at the minute. Looking at some of their early performances, which seem quite futuristic for the time (all of the lads standing around playing the keyboard with one hand), it's hard to believe that it was barely 10 years after the break-up of the Beatles. Mad to look at how quickly popular music evolved in the second half of the 20th century.

Changes in technology mostly drove that. The keyboards didn’t exist a few years before.

RobbingBandit

Pretty bad day for music was Vinnie Jones destroying Bad Bad Leroy Brown on Top of the Pops in 2002

Look it up and P iss yourselves laughing

Ipso

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Pretty bad day for music was Vinnie Jones destroying Bad Bad Leroy Brown on Top of the Pops in 2002

Look it up and P iss yourselves laughing

Shirley not as bad as this?

Roadtoad

Quick survey around the turf fire (before we opened the thread) produced:
Chuck Berry
Elvis/ABBA transition
The invention of electric music (pickups, amplification)
The baby wanted a later reference, but couldn't i.d. an actual significant transition point.