Child benefit ending at 18

Barnaboy

My eldest son turns 18 in less than 2 weeks. I know that I am about to lose this benefit. Still in school. Think that's very unfair but a different story.

Reason I am posting is that I am wondering exactly how the payment ends. Am I paid in full for December, pro-rata up to his birthday December or into January?

Fann Linn

Barnaboy wrote: »

My eldest son turns 18 in less than 2 weeks. I know that I am about to lose this benefit. Still in school. Think that's very unfair but a different story.

Reason I am posting is that I am wondering exactly how the payment ends. Am I paid in full for December, pro-rata up to his birthday December or into January?

Same thing with my youngest. Got the full payment for the month of her birthday, and cut off in full the following month.

Fordcspri23

What a lot do now is have a few kids so constant income.

TCM

Barnaboy wrote:

My eldest son turns 18 in less than 2 weeks. I know that I am about to lose this benefit. Still in school. Think that's very unfair but a different story.

Nothing unfair at all. Your child becomes an adult at 18. Simple.
In Ireland under the Child Care Act 1991, the Children Act 2001 and the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child a child is defined as anyone under the age of 18.

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Fordcspri23 wrote: »

What a lot do now is have a few kids so constant income.

Spread out the gap though, every 7 year is the thing now. Spoke to a lady recently, her eldest is just gone 7, she gave birth weeks before that event. No sign of any man around.

Fordcspri23

Emely Attractive Actress wrote: »

Spread out the gap though, every 7 year is the thing now. Spoke to a lady recently, her eldest is just fine 7, she gave birth weeks before that event. No sign of any man around.

She must have AI so

Barnaboy

TCM wrote: »

Nothing unfair at all. Your child becomes an adult at 18. Simple.
In Ireland under the Child Care Act 1991, the Children Act 2001 and the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child a child is defined as anyone under the age of 18.

Wasn't my intention to discuss that part, only came here for basic information. Anyway, the reason I think it is unfair is that the adult, as he technically will be, is still in school and cannot provide for himself.

The parents still pay for everything. Isn't the whole point of child benefit to help parents to raise their children?

I think a fairer system would be CB until they leave secondary school or turn 18, whichever happens second.

No intentions of adding any more to the conversation but would be interested in other people's views.

Curlysue76

Barnaboy wrote: »

Wasn't my intention to discuss that part, only came here for basic information. Anyway, the reason I think it is unfair is that the adult, as he technically will be, is still in school and cannot provide for himself.

The parents still pay for everything. Isn't the whole point of child benefit to help parents to raise their children?

I think a fairer system would be CB until they leave secondary school or turn 18, whichever happens second.

No intentions of adding any more to the conversation but would be interested in other people's views.

I agree, it should finish when child leaves secondary school, whether that be 16 or 19.

Thoie

Barnaboy wrote: »

My eldest son turns 18 in less than 2 weeks. I know that I am about to lose this benefit. Still in school. Think that's very unfair but a different story.

Reason I am posting is that I am wondering exactly how the payment ends. Am I paid in full for December, pro-rata up to his birthday December or into January?

From http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_to_families_and_children/child_benefit.html

You'll get the full payment for December, but that will be the last one.

Dravokivich

It's an interesting question, considering NTA have a child card that can be used by an 18 year old.

liquoriceall

It's a choice to do TY and if it is chosen then it makes the child older how is that the fault of the taxpayer?

road_high

Curlysue76 wrote: »

I agree, it should finish when child leaves secondary school, whether that be 16 or 19.

Fairly sure mine continued onto 19? This was early 2000s. Even remember getting something signed in university for it. Has that changed?

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road_high wrote: »

Fairly sure mine continued onto 19? This was early 2000s. Even remember getting something signed in university for it. Has that changed?

Yes, changed during our recent recession where it was changed back to 18, regardless of going into 3rd level or not.

CA was increased significantly during the boom, so was not surprising to see it clawed back.

marketty

Barnaboy wrote:

Wasn't my intention to discuss that part, only came here for basic information. Anyway, the reason I think it is unfair is that the adult, as he technically will be, is still in school and cannot provide for himself.

Barnaboy wrote:

The parents still pay for everything. Isn't the whole point of child benefit to help parents to raise their children?

Why can't an 18 year old get a part time job and support himself? I was paying my way from 16 while still in school because as far as I was concerned I was an adult and wanted my own money. This is not that long ago either!

eviltwin

marketty wrote: »

Why can't an 18 year old get a part time job and support himself? I was paying my way from 16 while still in school because as far as I was concerned I was an adult and wanted my own money. This is not that long ago either!

At 18 he's probably doing leaving cert. I wouldn't want an LC student working. Their focus should be on their exams.

road_high

marketty wrote: »

Why can't an 18 year old get a part time job and support himself? I was paying my way from 16 while still in school because as far as I was concerned I was an adult and wanted my own money. This is not that long ago either!

Can be very hard juggle the leaving cert with paid employment.

Sunflower 27

eviltwin wrote: »

At 18 he's probably doing leaving cert. I wouldn't want an LC student working. Their focus should be on their exams.

Of course, but when do people think payment should stop? Should it be paid indefinitely until /if the adult starts working?

ebbsy

Fordcspri23 wrote: »

What a lot do now is have a few kids so constant income.

And then go to the papers. You might get an apartment as well.

eviltwin

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Of course, but when do people think payment should stop? Should it be paid indefinitely until /if the adult starts working?

Once they finish school whatever age that may be.

cannotlogin

Why should the tax payer subsidise the cost of having children when it's a personal choice to have them or not?

Children's allowance, subsidised child care etc.

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marketty wrote: »

Why can't an 18 year old get a part time job and support himself? I was paying my way from 16 while still in school because as far as I was concerned I was an adult and wanted my own money. This is not that long ago either!

If they are in full time education it makes sense for them to devote their time to education and improve their long term earning capacity rather than short term gain which is a false economy.

marketty

eviltwin wrote:

At 18 he's probably doing leaving cert. I wouldn't want an LC student working. Their focus should be on their exams.

I worked from the summer before 5th year until a few months before the LC. Weekends only during the school year. Plenty of time during the week for focusing on exams.

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cannotlogin wrote: »

Why should the tax payer subsidise the cost of having children when it's a personal choice to have them or not?

Children's allowance, subsidised child care etc.

Because they will fund this generation's pension.

You're not naive enough to think any particular generation has funded their own pension?

cursai

Avatar MIA wrote: »

If they are in full time education it makes sense for them to devote their time to education and improve their long term earning capacity rather than short term gain which is a false economy.

Truth. I worked in Crazy Prices for 2.47 an hour part time through my exams. It does take some encouragement and support by a parent though.

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marketty wrote: »

I worked from the summer before 5th year until a few months before the LC. Weekends only during the school year. Plenty of time during the week for focusing on exams.

It doesn't take a great deal of education to join the army, which is poorly paid by most measures. Others see education as a long term investment, and it is.

eviltwin

marketty wrote: »

I worked from the summer before 5th year until a few months before the LC. Weekends only during the school year. Plenty of time during the week for focusing on exams.

Everyone's needs are different. As a parent, I didn't want my LC student to work. Plenty of time for that during the summer. Down time from study needs to be proper downtime. The long game is what's important.

marketty

Avatar MIA wrote:

It doesn't take a great deal of education to join the army, which is poorly paid by most measures. Others see education as a long term investment, and it is.

Nice dig!

You know nothing about me or what I've done since leaving school as regards education, career advancement or earnings.

Post history doesn't tell everything you know

splinter65

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Of course, but when do people think payment should stop? Should it be paid indefinitely until /if the adult starts working?

Children stop being children at 18. You can leave school at 16 so the 2 extra years is personal choice and nothing else. TY is personal choice, nothing else. 3 months school holidays every year, let them find summer jobs to go to and then they can buy all the little extras that they want themselves including Nike runners Converse and IPhones.

marketty

eviltwin wrote:

Everyone's needs are different. As a parent, I didn't want my LC student to work. Plenty of time for that during the summer. Down time from study needs to be proper downtime. The long game is what's important.

That's grand, but the topic is that the OP can't afford to support the LC student without the child benefit payment. So I suggested the kid get a job. Its great if you can afford for your kid not to, fair play.

Just on the point about the long game, will you take the same approach through college, up to postgrad level? Not saying you shouldn't, but that's a huge financial stretch for most.

splinter65

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Of course, but when do people think payment should stop? Should it be paid indefinitely until /if the adult starts working?

Seriously! CB until they get a job? There are 35 year olds out there still living at home never had a job (never will) still wondering what they want to do when they “grow up” and you think their parents should still be getting CB?

Avatar MIA

marketty wrote: »

Nice dig!

You know nothing about me or what I've done since leaving school as regards education, career advancement or earnings.

Post history doesn't tell everything you know

You may have gone on and done amazing things since, but could it have been done sooner if you started earlier.

In general, but not in all cases, working while in education is not the best. Especially for children