Fresh air ... or lack of it rather!

Andy From Sligo

what the hell do people be burning in their open fires these days - just been outside for a bit o fresh air and got a lung full of acrid smoke .. coughing me bleeding guts up now ...

Ten of Swords

Were you up on someone's roof?

mickdw

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Were you up on someone's roof?

Burning household rubbish in stoves in alot of cases.
Filthy habit.

Andy From Sligo

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Were you up on someone's roof?

no, i think its low covering cause of the fog / cold / weather

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Turf always seems to fill the air with nocuous fumes

Andy From Sligo

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

no, i think its low covering cause of the fog / cold / weather

It can happen, temperature inversion on cooler nights keeping a blanket of smog over urban areas.

LirW

Kid you not, saw a girl last year at a friend's place chugging her baby's poopy nappy into the open fire...

Ally Dick

Has Shan Mohangi moved to your area?

Temptamperu

maybe if we pay more tax it will go away? thats the Irish way!

Andy From Sligo

Emilio Proud Watchband wrote: »

Turf always seems to fill the air with nocuous fumes

as quaint as 'old Ireland' is with its Turf smoke (and I used to love the smell of turf fires in Ireland years ago when i came to visit) now I am getting older it really plays havoc with my chest now.

I wonder if the the majority of people in Ireland with Asthma and COPD and other Lung/breathing problems can be attributed (or certainly made worse) by people burning rubbish and turf and smokey coal in open fires? - I'd say it could

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Temptamperu wrote: »

maybe if we pay more tax it will go away? thats the Irish way!

The little tax the Irish pay does not match the amount of moaning about it...

OldMrBrennan83

mickdw wrote: »

Burning household rubbish in stoves in alot of cases.
Filthy habit.

True. Far better lashing it into a hedge in the small hours of the morning.

namloc1980

A lot of people chuck their household waste in the fire during the winter. Disgusting carry on.

AllForIt

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

as quaint as 'old Ireland' is with its Turf smoke (and I used to love the smell of turf fires in Ireland years ago when i came to visit) now I am getting older it really plays havoc with my chest now.

I wonder if the the majority of people in Ireland with Asthma and COPD and other Lung/breathing problems can be attributed (or certainly made worse) by people burning rubbish and turf and smokey coal in open fires? - I'd say it could

As someone who suffers from asthma I'd be much more concerned about car exhaust fumes than turf smoke. Also a recent study showed a correlation between dementia and those suffering from it living within close distance to busy high traffic roads.

Andy From Sligo

Temptamperu wrote: »

maybe if we pay more tax it will go away? thats the Irish way!

maybe if people started burning modern cleaner fuel (well cleaner smelling) like gas oil and electric and smokeless coal for the house heating/central heating it will go away.

Councils make such a big deal that burning rubbish in your back garden is anti-social with the smell/fumes and prohibit you from doing it by law but seem to turn a blind eye when it comes to what people burn in their open fires in the winter

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

If only we'd go nuclear.

OldMrBrennan83

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

maybe if people started burning modern cleaner fuel (well cleaner smelling) like gas oil and electric and smokeless coal for the house heating/central heating it will go away.

Councils make such a big deal that burning rubbish in your back garden is anti-social with the smell/fumes and prohibit you from doing it by law but seem to turn a blind eye when it comes to what people burn in their open fires in the winter

People want proper heat. Far more important than what it smells like outside.

mickdw

Patww79 wrote: »

True. Far better lashing it into a hedge in the small hours of the morning.

Idiotic comment.
Burning tin cans, plastic and food waste in a household stove is a filthy, smelly habit.
Dumping is more disgusting but for you to suggest it's an either or type of scenario is idiotic.
Everyone can manage to put their waste in a bin and have it taken away. Unfortunately we have another short sighted green policy of paying by weight. The result is that people will dump if the alternative is to be penalised by extra charges for disposing of waste properly.

OldMrBrennan83

mickdw wrote: »

Idiotic comment.
Burning tin cans, plastic and food waste in a household stove is a filthy, smelly habit.
Dumping is more disgusting but for you to suggest it's an either or type of scenario is idiotic.
Everyone can manage to put their waste in a bin and have it taken away. Unfortunately we have another short sighted green policy of paying by weight. The result is that people will dump if the alternative is to be penalised by extra charges for disposing of waste properly.

Depends on how much further bin companies are allowed to rip the piss out of us all. If it keeps going the way it's going then I wouldn't blame anyone for tipping or burning.

Andy From Sligo

AllForIt wrote: »

As someone who suffers from asthma I'd be much more concerned about car exhaust fumes than turf smoke. Also a recent study showed a correlation between dementia and those suffering from it living within close distance to busy high traffic roads.

strange this but i find the exhaust fumes and the turf smoke / open fire smoke quite different. I find car exhaust fumes nasty and stinky yes and can give headache and make feel sick, but open fires and turf fires when they fill the air with smoke really , really acrid kind of fumes and really make my chest tight, sore throat , runny eyes and coughing . Maybe its something medical with me, i dunno. I dont think i have asthma, I have no inhaler or anything

Grandeeod

LirW wrote: »

Kid you not, saw a girl last year at a friend's place chugging her baby's poopy nappy into the open fire...

Certain 80s Dublin areas in Winter had a dank smell of piss in the air as households burned the Pamper type things. Its a childhood memory for me.

Andy From Sligo

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly wrote: »

If only we'd go nuclear.

Alf Veedersane

Peat and wood are the two most polluting fuels used in fires/stoves. Plenty of PM2.5 and PAH, which cause respiratory disease and are carcinogenic, respectively.

But they look nice in a fire, so there's that.

Andy From Sligo

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Peat and wood are the two most polluting fuels used in fires/stoves. Plenty of PM2.5 and PAH, which cause respiratory disease and are carcinogenic, respectively.

But they look nice in a fire, so there's that.

when you say carcinogenic do you mean breathing it in can cause a person Cancer?

Alf Veedersane

I was at a presentation tha other day and they had quantified the reduction in deaths directly attributable to poor air quality in Dublin after having brought the smoky coal ban into Dublin in 1990. The breakdown was in cardiovascular and respiratory diseases. Can't remember the exact numbers off the top of my head but it exceeded 300. In Dublin alone. Annually.

Study recently showed that peat and wood were the most problematic fuels because of the what was in the emissions.

It's not just burning sh*te (literally) but normal solid fuel that fu*ks with your breathing.

Alf Veedersane

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

when you say carcinogenic do you mean breathing it in can cause a person Cancer?

Unless the definition of carcinogenic has changed, yes.

AllForIt

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

strange this but i find the exhaust fumes and the turf smoke / open fire smoke quite different. I find car exhaust fumes nasty and stinky yes and can give headache and make feel sick, but open fires and turf fires when they fill the air with smoke really , really acrid kind of fumes and really make my chest tight, sore throat , runny eyes and coughing . Maybe its something medical with me, i dunno. I dont think i have asthma, I have no inhaler or anything

Well I don't think any kind of fumes are good for anyone whether you suffer from asthma or not.

I suppose the question is not so much how you feel at the time but which one's have the most devastating effect on your health long term.

Andy From Sligo

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Unless the definition of carcinogenic has changed, yes.

Holy Shít ! - still, mind u I dunno why I am surprised .. I shouldnt be

Alf Veedersane

AllForIt wrote: »

As someone who suffers from asthma I'd be much more concerned about car exhaust fumes than turf smoke. Also a recent study showed a correlation between dementia and those suffering from it living within close distance to busy high traffic roads.

There were two elements to that: air and noise pollution. Most problematic pollutants from traffic are PM2.5 and NO2.

Solid fuel also produces PM2.5 so there's some overlap but maybe the real issue is the NO2.

beauf

Theres also this

The increasing use of solid fuels such as wood chippings and peat products to heat homes is causing “extreme air pollution” in Dublin, scientists at NUI Galway have found.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/green-home-heating-fuels-causing-extreme-levels-of-air-pollution-1.3629337

Andy From Sligo

AllForIt wrote: »

Well I don't think any kind of fumes are good for anyone whether you suffer from asthma or not.

I suppose the question is not so much how you feel at the time but which one's have the most devastating effect on your health long term.

true - it seeps into the bloodstream and then into all your organs. Look at that there was a day people used to put Lead make up on and paint with lead paint and drink out of lead pipes and couldnt understand why people were dropping like dead flies ... until it was too late . ..

Alf Veedersane

beauf wrote: »

Theres also this



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/green-home-heating-fuels-causing-extreme-levels-of-air-pollution-1.3629337

The article is slightly misleading in referring to wood as 'green'. The wood is mostly being chucked into fires or stoves.

One reason why the Clean Air Strategy wants to minimise /eliminate solid fuel heating.

blanch152

mickdw wrote: »

Burning household rubbish in stoves in alot of cases.
Filthy habit.

That is happening all the time.

Andy From Sligo

beauf wrote: »

Theres also this



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/green-home-heating-fuels-causing-extreme-levels-of-air-pollution-1.3629337

its strange - whenever I think of Dublin and other big cities I dont see them as burning wood and open fires and that - I think of them with their Gas central heating because surely loads of big cities these days are served with Mains/piped Gas to the properties .

... and then i always associate the rural shticks having open fires and burning peat/turf and the like

Wheety

Thought this was going to about the buses and people sitting there with the bus steaming up, breathing in everyone else's breath with no windows open. I always have to crack a window open. Can feel the filthies from people.

kneemos

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

maybe if people started burning modern cleaner fuel (well cleaner smelling) like gas oil and electric and smokeless coal for the house heating/central heating it will go away.

Councils make such a big deal that burning rubbish in your back garden is anti-social with the smell/fumes and prohibit you from doing it by law but seem to turn a blind eye when it comes to what people burn in their open fires in the winter

Can't see your fire from the helicopter.

Andy From Sligo

kneemos wrote: »

Can't see your fire from the helicopter.

but they do have council vans driving around

Graces7

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

as quaint as 'old Ireland' is with its Turf smoke (and I used to love the smell of turf fires in Ireland years ago when i came to visit) now I am getting older it really plays havoc with my chest now.

I wonder if the the majority of people in Ireland with Asthma and COPD and other Lung/breathing problems can be attributed (or certainly made worse) by people burning rubbish and turf and smokey coal in open fires? - I'd say it could

Out here it gets blown away so fast I never get a whiff of it. Cleanest air ther eis

Ah a memory though of one day years ago when someone pointed out to me a dark cloud over..... sligo.. of smoke and gunk...

Graces7

Wheety wrote: »

Thought this was going to about the buses and people sitting there with the bus steaming up, breathing in everyone else's breath with no windows open. I always have to crack a window open. Can feel the filthies from people.

Yeeeurk.... Thankful I do not use buses and I carry a mask anyways

Graces7

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

strange this but i find the exhaust fumes and the turf smoke / open fire smoke quite different. I find car exhaust fumes nasty and stinky yes and can give headache and make feel sick, but open fires and turf fires when they fill the air with smoke really , really acrid kind of fumes and really make my chest tight, sore throat , runny eyes and coughing . Maybe its something medical with me, i dunno. I dont think i have asthma, I have no inhaler or anything

I find the opposite. car exhaust fumes make me wheeze and sick. so used to our clear clean air out here though. love the turf aroma when it is just lit... mmmmmmmmm!

BeerWolf

I got just the solution for you OP;



CANNED AIR!

GBX

I was gonna suggest Andy needs to get out more and step away from the keyboard before starting another random thread but look where that got him ...

Grayson

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

strange this but i find the exhaust fumes and the turf smoke / open fire smoke quite different. I find car exhaust fumes nasty and stinky yes and can give headache and make feel sick, but open fires and turf fires when they fill the air with smoke really , really acrid kind of fumes and really make my chest tight, sore throat , runny eyes and coughing . Maybe its something medical with me, i dunno. I dont think i have asthma, I have no inhaler or anything

Turf smoke has always been like that for me too. I'm not sure but I'd hazard a guess that stuff like that would probably have a higher concentration of particulate matter. If I remember correctly peat power plants are some of the dirtiest you can get.


Personally I dislike Turf for other reasons too. We've destroyed so much of our bogs and it's a very rare habitat.

Grayson

Wheety wrote: »

Thought this was going to about the buses and people sitting there with the bus steaming up, breathing in everyone else's breath with no windows open. I always have to crack a window open. Can feel the filthies from people.

I'm probably the guy sitting behind you freezing to bits. There have been morning where I think I want to kill you.

NSAman

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly wrote: »

If only we'd go nuclear.

While it would absolutely keep the house warm, I’m not so sure that open fires could handle a nuclear reaction.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I'm always amused by those, principally in rural areas like my own, who defend the burning of turf. It is extremely smokey and high in particulates. It is a pollutant pure and simple. The impact of turf cutting on our natural environment and it's destruction of a major carbon sink is a matter for another thread but those who laud turf as a fuel generally only do so because they get it free or for little or nothing compared to other fuels.

OldMrBrennan83

Emilio Proud Watchband wrote: »

I'm always amused by those, principally in rural areas like my own, who defend the burning of turf. It is extremely smokey and high in particulates. It is a pollutant pure and simple. The impact of turf cutting on our natural environment and it's destruction of a major carbon sink is a matter for another thread but those who laud turf as a fuel generally only do so because they get it free or for little or nothing compared to other fuels.

There's great heat out of it though.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Patww79 wrote: »

There's great heat out of it though.

Yes, they always say that - when there seldom is.

BrokenArrows

BeerWolf wrote: »

I got just the solution for you OP;



CANNED AIR!

I actually tried that before due to the toxic London underground. It's useless.

22michael44

it's weird the total blind spot people have with regard to wood-burning and its health effects.

LirW

22michael44 wrote: »

it's weird the total blind spot people have with regard to wood-burning and its health effects.

But surely it's been done forever, how can you raise kids without a fireplace?!