I will never visit Moville

Graniteville

Obviously a lot of racist scum in the town with this fire
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-investigating-fire-that-caused-extensive-damage-to-hotel-due-to-be-used-as-direct-provision-centre-37563307.html

Well, if that's the type of people that live in the town, I for one will not be revisiting it. (OK, just saying this to get a reaction)

Maybe I'll have the wrong accent and a local will take umbrage. Maybe a friend will have the wrong colour skin or maybe they'll be from another country and the racist scum that obviously permeate the Moville area will decide they are not welcome.

Edit...
Interesting reaction from posters. But towns like moville need to be very wary of a certain type of person that rouses trouble and can cause untold damage to the locality.

Moville and Greencastle are fantastic places, yet all the news about Moville in the past few days has been about how a small minority are small minded racists. Unfortunately, like many small minded people, they shout loudly and get heard above the quiet, more decent / intelligent folk that are the vast majority of residents in the area.

Fann Linn

Not condoning it but was probably bound to happen with migrants being dumped into every random town and village which doesn't have a FG front bencher sitting there.

Might pay a visit to Moville next year for a weekend.

Cee-Jay-Cee

You can’t tar the entire population of moville on the actions of one or two lowlife scumbags!

Yes it was a despicable low criminal act but your over reacting if you decide that anywhere that criminals have carried out cowardly and shameful acts means you will never visit that place.

I’m assuming you will never visit Dublin, Cork, Limerick etc etc as there have been equally low and disputable acts (and probably worse) carried out in those places too. In fact you are probably house bound at this stage as there are very few places left that are completely free from this type of crime. Poor you.

enricoh

Graniteville wrote: »

Obviously a lot of racist scum in the town with this fire
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-investigating-fire-that-caused-extensive-damage-to-hotel-due-to-be-used-as-direct-provision-centre-37563307.html

Well, if that's the type of people that live in the town, I for one will not be revisiting it.

Maybe I'll have the wrong accent and a local will take umbrage. Maybe a friend will have the wrong colour skin or maybe they'll be from anther country and the racist scum that obviously permeate the Moville area will decide they are not welcome.

Shameful.

Yeah all 1300 people in the town were involved in burning it down. I spent a weekend there this summer n loved it. Not in that hotel but in a deadly little hostel. Plenty of tourists about then. I'd imagine the tourists are more beneficial to the town than dumping 100 spoofers there.

Naturally, I wouldn't condone burning someone's property. It's a scummy thing to do.

However, Moville looks tiny. Although I've never been, according to Wikipedia it has a population of less than 1,500 people. Tiny little place (my secondary school was nearly the same), and the government want to fire 100 randomers in?

I can fully understand why the building was burned, and a small part of me actually agrees with it. This would destroy that community. Direct Provision centres can cause a lot of hassle and grief, and I'd imagine a cardboard cut-out of a Garda is about as good as it gets in terms of Policing in Moville.

Now, as I say, I could be wrong about Moville. Maybe it's like Dublin, I've never been, but this very much strikes me as 'stick a load of people somewhere, where there is only a handful of people that can complain about it, then ignore it and sweep it under the carpet because no one will care about the people in Moville'

4068ac1elhodqr

Wonder how many 'relatives' of the 100 in town of 1,300 will settle also, at a later stage.
Maybe after a decade, the wee tiny town will only be 50% Irish with multi-lingual signage installed.

L1011

Moville was visited by some far-right nutters on a tour over the weekend who may have stirred up whatever local scrotes there were to do this. Arson only requires one person.

Said nutters included a woman who is banned from entering the UK.

Graniteville

Brooklyn Unkempt Starvation wrote: »

Wonder how many 'relatives' of the 100 in town of 1,300 will settle also, at a later stage.
Maybe after a decade, the wee tiny town will only be 50% Irish with multi-lingual signage installed.

and it this type of misguided stupidity and nonsense that some people believe

Graniteville

enricoh wrote: »

Yeah all 1300 people in the town were involved in burning it down. I spent a weekend there this summer n loved it. Not in that hotel but in a deadly little hostel. Plenty of tourists about then. I'd imagine the tourists are more beneficial to the town than dumping 100 spoofers there.

oK, I was probably overreacting to see the type of response - I'm booked into that same hostel in the spring (though its more a group of nice self catering apartments and rooms)

But unfortunately Moville has recently attracted a few of the "wrong type" who need to be brought under control. We all know these "types" - they are not even welcome in the bogside!

Franz Von Peppercorn

Graniteville wrote: »

and it this type of misguided stupidity and nonsense that some people believe

Why do we need direct provision anyway. There’s plenty of spare bedrooms across Ireland.

gctest50

Graniteville wrote: »

Obviously a lot of racist scum in the town with this fire
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-investigating-fire-that-caused-extensive-damage-to-hotel-due-to-be-used-as-direct-provision-centre-37563307.html

Well, if that's the type of people that live in the town, I for one will not be revisiting it.

Maybe I'll have the wrong accent and a local will take umbrage. Maybe a friend will have the wrong colour skin or maybe they'll be from anther country and the racist scum that obviously permeate the Moville area will decide they are not welcome.

Shameful.

confused

Graniteville wrote: »

As a rural dweller, not involved in farming, but neighbours that are, Casey all the way for the 20+ families here as he's the first person to challenge the scourge of rural Ireland - travellers.

4068ac1elhodqr

Graniteville wrote: »

and it this type of misguided stupidity and nonsense that some people believe

It may be somewhat of an exageration to say 50%, after all realatives join (if it's a viable option). But then again in England, only 'half' of Leicester's population describe themselves as white British.

Isn't 'sponsorship' of relations an option for anyone with indefinite stay.

If I move to Australia I can sponsor a relative to join me, providing certain criteria is met. If I enter as a refugee, can probably invite all members of immediate family to join, with less criteria to meet.

John Sacrimoni

Im sure the people of Moville will be deeply distraught at the thought of you not visiting their beautiful town.

Graniteville

Brooklyn Unkempt Starvation wrote: »

It may be somewhat of an exageration to say 50%, after all realatives join (if it's a viable option). But then again in England, only 'half' of Leicester's population describe themselves as white British.

Britain is not a good example due to the number of British colonies and the commonwealth and the various rights given to such people under their emigration act and right of abode.

And that where the misinformation was in Brexit - people thought Brexit would mean less immigration when it will do little except stop immigration from EU countries which wasn't a major issue anyway.

Remember the Vietnamese refugees - there were only about 220. Where are the hundreds of relatives? It didn't happen.
But some people will actually believe such rubbish

Graniteville

John Sacrimoni wrote: »

Im sure the people of Moville will be deeply distraught at the thought of you not visiting their beautiful town.

Moville Pottery is possibly the most beautiful pottery in Ireland especially their galaxy glaze that is used by a friend of mine in a restaurant and I have a large amount of it myself.

I did post to say my OP was designed to get a reaction.

NIMAN

I live near Moville, and it's a lovely little town.

I was surprised to hear they were getting the 100 asylum seekers and refugees, as it's a large number for such a small place. But I would say most locals would have welcomed it, Donegal people are very welcoming and kind by nature in general.

Obviously there will be a bit of nimbyism as well, there will be anywhere in the world. It only takes a small number of vocal ones to make it look like a town or city is not welcoming. I hope they catch and prosecute whoever lit this fire.

I hope the planned settlement still goes ahead.

4068ac1elhodqr

Graniteville wrote: »

... people thought Brexit would mean less immigration when it will do little except stop immigration from EU countries which wasn't a major issue anyway.

It will certainly stop (mass) migration from Europe^ and anyone traveling across Europe (like the Iranians this week) to reach Dover via dingies.

^ Romania and Bulgaria have overtaken decades upon decades of natural neighbourly Irish migration, and all in just a few short years.

Perhaps the sudden and unprecedented illegal boat crossings this month, across the world's busiest shipping channel has nothing at all to do with the looming brexit at all?

What it won't do is stop 'skilled' migration, in fact the new proposed points system will likely slurp up the highly skilled from (anywhere) in the world that applies for it and meets the new criteria.

recedite

How long has the hotel been owned by the current owners?


The Grand Hotel in Wicklow was bought up by Firebreak (I kid you not)
http://wicklownews.net/2017/09/bright-future-for-wicklows-grand-hotel/

“The Grand Hotel has been a feature of Wicklow town for well over a century. We are delighted to be at the helm for the next chapter of its life. We intend to revitalise and improve the Hotel in a number of respects over the coming months. We hope to reposition the Hotel as an important amenity and asset of the local community.”

2 or 3 months later they had applied to become a DP centre, to the Reception and Integration Agency, which seems to have unlimited access to the Irish taxpayers money. Which locals believe was the plan devised by the new owners all along.


Other shenanigans went on in Roosky.

Mr Doherty said that earlier this year it appeared Mr Kiernan was attempting to enter into a lease agreement with another party who was applying to the Department of Justice for the purpose of using the hotel to house refugees.
However, Mr Kiernan Mr Doherty said in an interview in March to local Radio stating he was not going ahead with the plan to use the property as a centre to house asylum seekers

https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/news/348045/breaking-injunction-sought-preventing-rooskey-hotel-being-used-as-accommodation-for-asylum-seekers.html


There is more money in DP centres than in catering for paying guests/tourists for the hotels involved, even if every other business in the town goes down the toilet as a result.
That's the cold, hard financial fact. Although, I'm not sure how fires fit into this financial equation.

TireeTerror

Putting 100 people with totally different values in a tiny town is a recipe for disaster.

If we have not learnt a single lesson from the thousands of examples of why its a bad idea from what has been witnessed all around Europe these last few years, then I dont know when we will.

The standard response to anyone criticising these centres is to label them racist.

Take a visit to Balbriggan in North County Dublin and see first hand what has happened to the place.

What opportunities would these people have in Moville anyway, a town which has seriously limited options for the locals as it is. They are not getting a decent opportunity by being put there. Out of sight out of mind, thats whats happening.

Firblog

I have to wonder at the thought process behind the conversion of small hotels - which provide employment in unemployment blackspots - to 'reception centres' which will presumably employ fewer people.


Govt money creating unemployment.



Not the only example I've seen of it, they have given grants to fish factories (some had millions in the bank) to buy machinery... and you can guess the result, less people employed.

listermint

Brooklyn Unkempt Starvation wrote: »

Wonder how many 'relatives' of the 100 in town of 1,300 will settle also, at a later stage.
Maybe after a decade, the wee tiny town will only be 50% Irish with multi-lingual signage installed.

You have to dispair at stupidity of such a comment and then you go and hammer it home by comparing moyville in Donegal to Leicester city.

Look accum you have form in waxing lyrical about immigration. But jaysus will you at least make your comments remotely sensible.

Rambling nonsense so far in this one and your doing your self a disservice.

4068ac1elhodqr

listermint wrote: »

You have to dispair at stupidity of such a comment and then you go and hammer it home by comparing moyville in Donegal to Leicester city.

Look accum you have form in waxing lyrical about immigration. But jaysus will you at least make your comments remotely sensible.

Rambling nonsense so far in this one and your doing your self a disservice.

A slightly realist view you mean, sure ok the 50% was overstated but as you (should) know the future isn't going to be very bright for any low-skilled young men in future years anywhere.

Nevermind the current economic migration trend of non-fluent young men from who knows where. And in some tiny town scarce of life outside the summer months.

Lecister city is interesting, as whites are now a minority there from 60% to 45% in just 10yrs up to 2011. London and many other cities in England likely have similar trends taking place.

So look here, lefty listermints, tell us was it a good idea in the 1st place, in your 'wonderful rose-tinted form of view' to add nearly 10% of non-nationals to a small village overnight without even consulting the residents? Will it all be rainbows and street carnivals?

Will the number not increase via relatives, friends or aquantance sponsorship?
And what will they actually do with all their expected spare time in the depths of winter?

I'm all for diversity (i.e. real diversity), the best thing for any small town anywhere would be to drop in 100 'moderate/high skilled' people from 100 different countries and watch them very quickly integrate and add immediate value. On the other hand drop in pending refugees (maybe also economic migrants) from a handful of very similar countries, to make +8% of a town, and watch slow ackward integration of sorts.

Technique

One of the most outrageous things about this whole episode is how people are pronouncing Moville.

water-man

Was speaking to an old fella lately and he made a good point:

"One of the last "forced" introductions of populations in Europe didn't end well even after 400 years and they were of quite similar (spoke a similar language, similar religion & values etc) characteristic to the existing population".

Ok yes there are some quite big differences i.e 400 years ago they took all the land (yada yada yada we all heard it before - don't mean to drag the thread off topic) but I think our current politicians should note and remember that placing a large amount of people into a small area is not a great idea.

listermint

Brooklyn Unkempt Starvation wrote: »

A slightly realist view you mean, sure ok the 50% was overstated but as you (should) know the future isn't going to be very bright for any low-skilled young men in future years anywhere.

Nevermind the current economic migration trend of non-fluent young men from who knows where. And in some tiny town scarce of life outside the summer months.

Lecister city is interesting, as whites are now a minority there from 60% to 45% in just 10yrs up to 2011. London and many other cities in England likely have similar trends taking place.

So look here, lefty listermints, tell us was it a good idea in the 1st place, in your 'wonderful rose-tinted form of view' to add nearly 10% of non-nationals to a small village overnight without even consulting the residents? Will it all be rainbows and street carnivals?

Will the number not increase via relatives, friends or aquantance sponsorship?
And what will they actually do with all their expected spare time in the depths of winter?

I'm all for diversity (i.e. real diversity), the best thing for any small town anywhere would be to drop in 100 'moderate/high skilled' people from 100 different countries and watch them very quickly integrate and add immediate value. On the other hand drop in pending refugees (maybe also economic migrants) from a handful of very similar countries, to make +8% of a town, and watch slow ackward integration of sorts.

I stopped reading after lefty listermint

You know someone is a dullard windup merchant when they resort to using idiotic Facebook generation terms.


Boring.

4068ac1elhodqr

listermint wrote: »

Boring.

A Classy and well considered response sir/madam.

But you seem to have missed the all essential question.

"Was it a good idea in the first place to add nearly 10% of non-nationals to a small village overnight without even consulting the residents?"

Y or... N ? (or more likely, you might just divert, and don't bother to even answer).

listermint

Brooklyn Unkempt Starvation wrote: »

A Classy and well considered response sir/madam.

But you seem to have missed the all essential question.

"Was it a good idea in the first place to add nearly 10% of non-nationals to a small village overnight without even consulting the residents?"

Y or... N ? (or more likely, you might just divert, and don't bother to even answer).

I don't answer questions from people who insist on generalising people into simple brackets it's boring and shows the extent of your whit or lack of it.

It's not intelligent whatsoever. I assume you spent your time perusing Facebook to pick up these infantile responses.

4068ac1elhodqr

listermint wrote: »

I don't answer questions from people who insist on generalising people into simple brackets it's boring and shows the extent of your whit or lack of it.

It's not intelligent whatsoever. I assume you spent your time perusing Facebook to pick up these infantile responses.

Of course you won't answer it, sure thats exactly what I said (basic diversion technique of the unintelligent). Perhaps your likely 'yes' answer would create some sort of internal conflict of interests, along with a significant headache and backtracking.

You shouldn't insist on generalising people, I don't even use Facepuke, how insulting, whit-less and infantile of you to assume I or/and everyone does.

muffler

Mod/ Leave it out lads. Take it to PM if you want but dont derail this thread with the bickering.

malinheader

The questions I would like to know is how much money is being made from these direct provision centres. How much does the hotel owner make and what kind of percentage do the direct provision organisations get. Listening to meeting held in moville it seemed once the DP team get them into the hotel it's up to other state bodies then to take over for there welfare.

enricoh

malinheader wrote: »

The questions I would like to know is how much money is being made from these direct provision centres. How much does the hotel owner make and what kind of percentage do the direct provision organisations get. Listening to meeting held in moville it seemed once the DP team get them into the hotel it's up to other state bodies then to take over for there welfare.

I basically winning the lotto for the hotel owner. actually no, its like winning the euro millions, god bless paddy taxpayer -

Mosney plc operates a direct provision centre for 600 asylum seekers at Mosney in County Meath and the €8m it received last year brings to €127.4m the company has received from the State between 2002 and 2017 for its direct provision service.

Graniteville

enricoh wrote: »

I basically winning the lotto for the hotel owner. actually no, its like winning the euro millions, god bless paddy taxpayer -

.

So why are many centres ending their agreements and turning their places back into commercial businesses?

Also, those in dp are now entitled to work and contribute to the costs and pay taxes. (over 500 are now employed)

But the racist anti dp types would never mention that.

Firblog

enricoh wrote: »

I basically winning the lotto for the hotel owner. actually no, its like winning the euro millions, god bless paddy taxpayer -

Mosney plc operates a direct provision centre for 600 asylum seekers at Mosney in County Meath and the €8m it received last year brings to €127.4m the company has received from the State between 2002 and 2017 for its direct provision service.

8,000,000 / (600 X 365) = €36.365 per person per day = cost to the state for person in Direct provision. (Plus a couple of euro per week for walkabout money)

Graniteville wrote: »

Also, those in dp are now entitled to work and contribute to the costs and pay taxes. (over 500 are now employed)

But the racist anti dp types would never mention that.

I'm sure there are many people who are very anti Direct Provision that would be stunned to be called racist.

malinheader

Graniteville wrote: »

So why are many centres ending their agreements and turning their places back into commercial businesses?

Also, those in dp are now entitled to work and contribute to the costs and pay taxes. (over 500 are now employed)

But the racist anti dp types would never mention that.

Ahh the racist shout again. Ask a question that some people think you shouldn't be asking or ask a question that some people don't want people to know and your racist. No surprise at your post to be honest.

Spanish Eyes

Ask yourselves this question..... why are traffickers getting these people to Ireland, as opposed to Bulgaria, Romania, Albania and even UK god bless us?

The answer is obvious. But some refuse to believe that we are being had.

Anyway the soft touchy feely shyte has started now. How welcoming the people of Moville are, everyone in Ireland wants to help people in distress.

Apart from UN sanctioned and vetted Syrian refugees, I reckon the rest of them are scamming a leaky system. Everyone knows it.

Our own indigenous population really needs looking after too.

Anyway, before I lose my rag, they are laughing out loud at our naivety. And the refugee industry is stifling debate by the use of the R word too. It's a disgrace Joe.

TireeTerror

Its got to the stage these days that if I get called a racist I know I'm asking the questions everyone really wants to ask but is too afraid to. If that continues, being called a racist will start meaning you have your finger on the pulse.

enricoh

Whats the disability allowance in Bulgaria? Probably a tenner a week, that aint gonna butter no parsnips!

Well the owner of mosney is now in the irish times rich list so there must be a few quid in it!

Gimme A Pound

The irony of condemning racism and then condemning the whole village for an act by one or two people.

malinheader

Are the communities in these areas asked how they feel about these centres or even informed of what is being planned for a hotel near them or is the decision made without consultation. First I heard of this myself was in a local paper.

tretorn

If the local people were to be consulted nothing would happen.

This is why these isolated areas are chosen, there simply isnt the population to mount an effective protest. Donegal is forgotten about, it has one of the worst road traffic accident fatalitities in the country so obviously not enough Gardai to monitor drunk and or dangerous driving.

This is the home of the Mc Brearty scandal too and its not somewhere I would choose to go on holidays, I wouuldnt feel safe either walking or driving because of the amount of lunatics on the roads.

I am actually not surprised the hotel was burned down and if its repaired and re opened it will be burned down again. Its a totally unsuitable location no matter what criteria you take into account and its definitely designed to make refugees and asylum seekers leave for somewhere else as soon as possible. If people sent to a place like this just up and leave will it be possible to identify where they have gone so they can be deported ASAP.

L1011

tretorn wrote: »

This is why these isolated areas are chosen, there simply isnt the population to mount an effective protest.

They're chosen because they have cheap hotels that aren't making enough money from tourism. Wicklow Town isn't exactly isolated, nor is Clondalkin (Clondalkin Towers hotel has been a DP centre for years)

Fann Linn

malinheader wrote: »

Are the communities in these areas asked how they feel about these centres or even informed of what is being planned for a hotel near them or is the decision made without consultation. First I heard of this myself was in a local paper.

That's how the people of Roosky found out also. Locals aren't really part of the equation. Hotels might start getting burnt down.

mgn

Great to see the do gooders out in force again.I bet if a 100 refuges were to be housed beside them the would have a different story.A typical example would be like the homeless hub in Clontarf.The had plenty of the usual type who preach about homeless but are very quick to object when its beside them.Or like Lord of the Manor Pat Kenny objecting to planning permission beside is stately home after preaching about the housing crisis for the last few years.

4068ac1elhodqr

So anyone thinking of building cheap hotels (possibly using grant, industry or enterprise supported funds),
can now add to their business plan, a short footnote on the appendix at the back, for a simple low-cost, high-yield, 'Plan B' option.
Suits the owner and suits the bank manager. Suits the town?

I.e. Sure we did our market research on footfall and location for likely customer catchment areas before building it, and don't mind spending a couple of bob on marketing, innovation and staff investment if needed.

...But should a lovely big monthly check come in from some pen pusher, mmm yes that'll do nicely.

L1011

Brooklyn Unkempt Starvation wrote: »

So anyone thinking of building cheap hotels (possibly using grant, industry or enterprise supported funds),
can now add to their business plan, a short footnote on the appendix at the back, for a simple low-cost, high-yield, 'Plan B' option.
Suits the owner and suits the bank manager. Suits the town?

I.e. Sure we did our market research on footfall and location for likely customer catchment areas before building it, and don't mind spending a couple of bob on marketing, innovation and staff investment if needed.

...But should a lovely big monthly check come in from some pen pusher, mmm yes that'll do nicely.

There are no grants or enterprise support and you aren't going to get loans for a hotel with that business plan either. And its far from a "big monthly check" at that. Board and food for 36 quid a head (taking the Mosney figures) isn't going to leave much margin and would not come close to covering finance costs.

You're fantasising.

This is an old, long established hotel in an area where traditional tourism and commercial traveler business has fallen off a cliff, and competing with newer hotels would require hefty investment.

malinheader

L1011 wrote: »

There are no grants or enterprise support and you aren't going to get loans for a hotel with that business plan either. And its far from a "big monthly check" at that. Board and food for 36 quid a head (taking the Mosney figures) isn't going to leave much margin and would not come close to covering finance costs.

You're fantasising.

This is an old, long established hotel in an area where traditional tourism and commercial traveler business has fallen off a cliff, and competing with newer hotels would require hefty investment.

Over 25000 a week 52 weeks of the year. Guaranteed. And I'm led to believe it's mainly self catering. Would there be many rural hotels making this kind of turnover every week. And no hefty investment needed.

L1011

malinheader wrote: »

Over 25000 a week 52 weeks of the year. Guaranteed. And I'm led to believe it's mainly self catering. Would there be many rural hotels making this kind of turnover every week. And no hefty investment needed.

Work out the daily rate for 100 people at that. And it really isn't mostly self-catering - converting the hotel to provide that would be hefty investment and the residents don't have the cash to buy the food anyway. DP is full-board whether the food is eaten or not and there is almost always complexities in provision (halal, vegeterian, etc)

Its clearly going to make more than operating a run down rural hotel - or else they wouldn't do it, would they - but its no goldmine. The difference is going to come from getting that income on a wet week in December every December, despite the total margin being well below what a decent summer brings.

malinheader

L1011 wrote: »

Work out the daily rate for 100 people at that. And it really isn't mostly self-catering - converting the hotel to provide that would be hefty investment and the residents don't have the cash to buy the food anyway. DP is full-board whether the food is eaten or not and there is almost always complexities in provision (halal, vegeterian, etc)

Its clearly going to make more than operating a run down rural hotel - or else they wouldn't do it, would they - but its no goldmine. The difference is going to come from getting that income on a wet week in December every December, despite the total margin being well below what a decent summer brings.

Mosney as far as I know is self catering and other places put in communal areas for cooking due to the different dietary requirements for different cultures. Not sure what was to happen in Moville.But i think 25000 a week guaranteed would be a lot more than a local hotel would make over 52 weeks of a year. Stand to be corrected on this as I have no idea what a hotel would call good.

L1011

They all provide food, its part of the contract.

Its definitely more money than they'd take in - but with massively increased costs. Clearly the owners expect to make more profit from it but it's no lotto win or even close.

malinheader

Is it still a condition that you have to leave the hotel from 11 am till 5pm or has this changed or was it never a requirement do you know.

L1011

That'd be down to the DP centre itself I'd imagine but I've never heard of it. Its common for homeless shelters though

If you have more time to burn than is healthy there are detailed inspection reports on DP centres here - http://www.ria-inspections.gov.ie - which detail everything from the food provided down to when their fire alarm panels were last service. They're scans of printed documents for some idiotic reason so you can't search the damn things.

The hotel in Clondalkin I mentioned is apparently closing as a DP centre in two weeks, suspect so it can re-open as a hotel. Clondalkin is clearly a massively different market to Moville!