Sunday 25 November

BumperD

I’ve had a good look through tomorrow’s card at Navan. For auction novice hurdle will be interesting contest with dinions trying to extend his winning streak. Get the feeling with the ground the way it is that a lot of good younger horses are finding it hard to get a run. The troyton looks impossible i’ll let others try to solve that. Had a good look at finale, the mares listed bumper, with yokon lil favorite. Having watched a few of the replays, I’m drawn to ballydunblaze. She ran against the boys over cd first time out on similar ground that she will encounter tomorrow and having hit some trouble in running when squeezed for room 3 out, she picked up nearly instantly to take up the lead and shot clear in the style of a really good one, hitting the line hard. Bucks billionaire was 4 lengths behind that day and he came within 8 lengths of Malone road so that gives the form some substance. I’m always taken by a filly or mare that can serve it up to be geldings. I’ll be having a decent bet at 8/1 gl

Francie Barrett

In the big race of the day, I am not sure I could be having Almond Eye at 5/6. Sure, it is the outstanding three year of the season over there, but I think over 1m4 against the boys, it's going to be a different ball game. I don't like Suave Richard either. That run last time out was so bad you could not believe and follows previous disappointments, to me it does not look justified as second favourite. I have looked at both European challengers and am not sure that either are good enough (I think Capri will like the track, but am not convinced it will like the firm ground). My dart has settled on Grand Cheval, who as the winner of this race last year and third the year before that, has natural each way claims at 11/1.

Francie Barrett

Navan 1:00 - Top novices hurdle race here where you could easily see the winner coming out on top at the Ballymore novices at Cheltenham later this year. The one I have picked for this race is Magnium. I was seriously impressed when this won for Tony Martin's badly out of form yard at the end of last season before being put away. It ran a cracker on seasonal reappearance when staying on well at Navan over 2m. I think it simply lacked a gear and badly needed the step up in trip based on what I saw. When you consider the top progeny of Westerner demands a trip, I think that this could be a very good horse to be running over 2m competitively. I think this is one to watch over an extended trip over hurdles this year, and can see it taking on fences the following year.

longshotvalue

Francie Barrett wrote: »

In the big race of the day, I am not sure I could be having Almond Eye at 5/6. Sure, it is the outstanding three year of the season over there, but I think over 1m4 against the boys, it's going to be a different ball game. I don't like Suave Richard either. That run last time out was so bad you could not believe and follows previous disappointments, to me it does not look justified as second favourite. I have looked at both European challengers and am not sure that either are good enough (I think Capri will like the track, but am not convinced it will like the firm ground). My dart has settled on Grand Cheval, who as the winner of this race last year and third the year before that, has natural each way claims at 11/1.

Had to back Capri at 40/1 on 365. Seems madness

Leslie Purkiss

I echo Mr BumperD wholeheartedly on Ballydunblaze.

I was very impressed with her c&d win in September. To add to the earlier precise analysis, her price markedly drifted before the off and the trainer's comments afterwards suggests she surprised them with the performance, which is always a wonderful thing.

She may have very much liked the fast going on the day but I'm happy to still have a nice punt on here at the 8's, which is freely available.

Exciting day ahead.

gazza1

BANJO 12/1 EW 1.30

Didn't stay the 20f lto. Prior to that only just failed to beat a well handicapped one over today's distance.
Paul Townend booked for the first time catches the eye

GL

STB.

Anyone have a look at the Uppoxetor card ?

Couple of interesting ex Irish runners there today.

NotwhatIam formerly trained by Richie Rath racing in the 2.40. It won last year popping up at a big price and beat another Wexford trained horse that I had backed that day , but hasn't repeated that since and sold to the Skeltons. May win today, but far too short at 6/4. I'll swerve.

On Raglan Road in the 3.10. Ex Tabor owned and WP Mullins trained horse. See they have been running this over 2m for some strange reason, now stepped up. Presumably Johnny Burke has finally fed back what distance it needs. 14/1. Might have an each way squeak.

3.40 White Lilac. 25/1 in the betting. A maiden. Then you look at the maidens and see that it was beaten by Miss Eyecatcher and Good Tyne Tara. Not shabby races. Up to last year with DeBromhead. Second start for Neil Mulholland, bottom of the weights, getting 9lbs off the top weight and she's stepping up in distance.

In Ireland, thought Dinons in the 1.00 @ Navan was the bet of the day. 2/1 but all those 1's at Roscommon, Killarney, Sedgefield, Perth and Cheltenham. That last win at Cheltenham last month was won so easy with 147 rated horses in behind shows the horses versatility. No coincidence that this was Elliots choice. He has won this race 4 out of the last 7 years.

Which leads to the Troytown @ 2.30 where Elliot is chasing a five timer but which one!! As much as I enjoyed Out Sam winning earlier this month, he's up win the weights and I have a sneaking suspicion that if Squouateur is back to anywhere near his third in the Paddy Power last Christmas, that he will take some beating. An in and out horse he's 16/1 and drifting. I'd be happier if Jamie Codd was riding but I'll take the chance.

ON ZEE BRIDLE

I think Out Sam still has a decent chance in the Troytown even though he is up 8lbs for Cork National win lto.Ive also backed Tout Est Permis Ew from the in form Noel Meade yard. Dinons has won five wins on the bounce but they did not look the strongest of races and he also has to concede weight today, happy to take him on with First Approach 7/2 who looked impressive winning at Down Royal last month.

Stheno

Francie Barrett wrote: »

In the big race of the day, I am not sure I could be having Almond Eye at 5/6. Sure, it is the outstanding three year of the season over there, but I think over 1m4 against the boys, it's going to be a different ball game. I don't like Suave Richard either. That run last time out was so bad you could not believe and follows previous disappointments, to me it does not look justified as second favourite. I have looked at both European challengers and am not sure that either are good enough (I think Capri will like the track, but am not convinced it will like the firm ground). My dart has settled on Grand Cheval, who as the winner of this race last year and third the year before that, has natural each way claims at 11/1.

What race is this Francie?

CH3OH

Might be more of a doubt on the favorites at Navan,
But Paddy Power are doing a free bet if 2 3 or 4 to SP favorite
12 00. 2 00 2 30 3 00 and 3 30

CH3OH

Stheno wrote: »

What race is this Francie?

It was in Japan and is over Almond eye won

STB.

Stheno wrote: »

What race is this Francie?

Japan Cup this morning. Broke the track record.



https://www.racingpost.com/news/international/fillies-triple-crown-winner-almond-eye-makes-history-in-japan-cup/355164

Francie Barrett

Gigginstown placed 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 in the opener there. Not sure how that can be good for racing at all.

engiweirdo

2.20 Exeter Lil Rockerfelker races lazily and has thrown in a few hairy leaps over fences. Definitely one I'd always take on at heavy odds on over fences. Will go with small bet at 9/2 on the 2nd fav rather than lay.

STB.

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Gigginstown placed 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 in the opener there. Not sure how that can be good for racing at all.

Went in, in the order of their SPs too!

Was a terrible field in all fairness. Time to put the kettle on ?

STB.

You know your going mad when your answering your own questions, but I guess it was.

Hopefully the rest of the day is Gonnabegood.

Anyhow pissing out of the heavens at Navan.

ON ZEE BRIDLE

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Gigginstown placed 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 in the opener there. Not sure how that can be good for racing at all.

Its a joke Francie,ruining irish racing, smaller trainers and struggling jockeys must be crying into their bowl of cornflakes every morning knowing they very little chance of winning against such a power house

Auroras_encore

2.30 mine now 25/1

FatRat

I agree with the assessment on Magnium in the 1.00 will be backing also. However I disagree that this is a strong hurdle and we will see a Cheltenham win out of it. This is not a very strong race imo.

BumperD

Great ride by ruby, couple of casualties unfortunately

STB.

Some travisty of a race that. Elliots horses all over the shop. Dinons heavily eased. And Ruby spoils the party for Magnium supporters.


Bad fall that Sometime soon took.

FatRat

I'll take a good Ruby ride like that in the Troytown please. I'm opting for the current favourite Minella Beau. Really think he had a decent chance lto only for his fall and is now up against the guys at the front of that race off the same mark. Has 8 pounds extra on Out Sam for example.

He jumps well and is very well handicapped for a 7/1 - 15/2 horse. Don't normally like backing he favourites in these big handicaps but can't help myself with this one.

irishgoat

I'm not backing at all as I said, but if anyone is backing Monbeg Gold in the next at exeter, I was told a few days a go it won't win today. Its around 9/4 I think.

BumperD

All in Moonbeg Gold :pac:

Auroras_encore

irishgoat wrote: »

I'm not backing at all as I said, but if anyone is backing Monbeg Gold in the next at exeter, I was told a few days a go it won't win today. Its around 9/4 I think.

Why don't you make a laying thread, nobody cares

mountai

3.00 Hareth , 25s earlier to 14s with PP , Byrnes at it again??

Mikedrop

irishgoat wrote: »

I'm not backing at all as I said, but if anyone is backing Monbeg Gold in the next at exeter, I was told a few days a go it won't win today. Its around 9/4 I think.

I would be asking some serious questions of my source😂

BumperD

Mikedrop wrote: »

I would be asking some serious questions of my source😂

It was actually the best backed horse at Exeter today and duly romped home

http://www.attheraces.com/market-movers

Itziger

BumperD wrote: »

All in Moonbeg Gold :pac:

Missed it. Gutted.

Widdensushi

Elliott training 11 of the runner's in the 2.30.

Mikedrop

Get Wishing is well supported in the last at Exeter

Auroras_encore

Gigginstown will kill Irish racing

ON ZEE BRIDLE

ON ZEE BRIDLE wrote: »

I think Out Sam still has a decent chance in the Troytown even though he is up 8lbs for Cork National win lto.Ive also backed Tout Est Permis Ew from the in form Noel Meade yard. Dinons has won five wins on the bounce but they did not look the strongest of races and he also has to concede weight today, happy to take him on with First Approach 7/2 who looked impressive winning at Down Royal last month.

Yipee me had the Tryotown winner , glad is wasnt Elliot either!

BumperD

No cash for Air Supremacy in next but he got a form boost after the for auction grade 3 earlier if he’s actually trying today

ON ZEE BRIDLE

Cant get away from the name escapes me in the next esp with Meade in such good form, 3/1 win bet

ON ZEE BRIDLE

Lets try to end the day with a winner, going to take the mullins jolly on with Barrington Court 11/2

STB.

ON ZEE BRIDLE wrote: »

Lets try to end the day with a winner, going to take the mullins jolly on with Barrington Court 11/2

Good call. Easy.


Jessica could have had 4 today.

ON ZEE BRIDLE

Cheers mate,always great when they win like that!

STB.

I see Princess Anne must be having a right go at the bookies in the 340 at Uttoxeter. Chequered View.

Leslie Purkiss

Nice one Zee. It was a tricky puzzle.

Disappointed with Ballydunblaze. She may well need a sounder surface. Aw shucks.

STB.

This pipe horse in the last has drifted like a barge. But has semi decent form.

Motivator

irishgoat wrote: »

I'm not backing at all as I said, but if anyone is backing Monbeg Gold in the next at exeter, I was told a few days a go it won't win today. Its around 9/4 I think.

You talk an awful lot of rubbish on here, every single day. Other posters get lambasted for talking rubbish but you seem to get away lightly. I can only assume it’s because most people ignore your posts completely. Something I will now start doing. Hopefully a few people actually backed the horse after reading your nonsense.

slimshady007

Motivator wrote: »

You talk an awful lot of rubbish on here, every single day. Other posters get lambasted for talking rubbish but you seem to get away lightly. I can only assume it’s because most people ignore your posts completely. Something I will now start doing. Hopefully a few people actually backed the horse after reading your nonsense.

That's harsh. Sure he's very active on this forum over the past few weeks but it's fair to say it would be eerily quiet on a daily basis without his input. I don't back or lay any of his bets so don't know whether he's up or down overall but he was more right than wrong on the few I checked. At least he puts up some reasoning or logic for his bets (even if it is sometimes flawed) instead of just a time and a name like others. How many times have people genuinely got word something was or wasn't fancied and it turned out to be completely wrong - it happens. A lot would have said no way BDM wins yesterday against a Gold Cup first and second on good ground but he did - readily. He didn't say have a max lay on it, he simply passed on some info which turned out to be completely wrong.

lemush

slimshady007 wrote: »

That's harsh. Sure he's very active on this forum over the past few weeks but it's fair to say it would be eerily quiet on a daily basis without his input. I don't back or lay any of his bets so don't know whether he's up or down overall but he was more right than wrong on the few I checked. At least he puts up some reasoning or logic for his bets (even if it is sometimes flawed) instead of just a time and a name like others. How many times have people genuinely got word something was or wasn't fancied and it turned out to be completely wrong - it happens. A lot would have said no way BDM wins yesterday against a Gold Cup first and second on good ground but he did - readily. He didn't say have a max lay on it, he simply passed on some info which turned out to be completely wrong.

To call his logic “flawed” is the understatement of the year.

Motivator

slimshady007 wrote: »

That's harsh. Sure he's very active on this forum over the past few weeks but it's fair to say it would be eerily quiet on a daily basis without his input. I don't back or lay any of his bets so don't know whether he's up or down overall but he was more right than wrong on the few I checked. At least he puts up some reasoning or logic for his bets (even if it is sometimes flawed) instead of just a time and a name like others. How many times have people genuinely got word something was or wasn't fancied and it turned out to be completely wrong - it happens. A lot would have said no way BDM wins yesterday against a Gold Cup first and second on good ground but he did - readily. He didn't say have a max lay on it, he simply passed on some info which turned out to be completely wrong.

The forum has been dead for about two years. No longer any of the decent debates or knowledable posts from the likes of Rossom. I used to be a fairly regular poster down through the years but there’s nothing interesting happening on a day to day basis. Reading his tripe certainly wouldn’t entice me to get stuck in to any debates on a thread anyway.

Mostly Harmless

slimshady007 wrote: »

That's harsh. Sure he's very active on this forum over the past few weeks but it's fair to say it would be eerily quiet on a daily basis without his input. I don't back or lay any of his bets so don't know whether he's up or down overall but he was more right than wrong on the few I checked. At least he puts up some reasoning or logic for his bets (even if it is sometimes flawed) instead of just a time and a name like others. How many times have people genuinely got word something was or wasn't fancied and it turned out to be completely wrong - it happens. A lot would have said no way BDM wins yesterday against a Gold Cup first and second on good ground but he did - readily. He didn't say have a max lay on it, he simply passed on some info which turned out to be completely wrong.

He's constantly putting up odds on lays/bets with highly questionable reasoning and saying it is a massive play, I have no real issue with this as anyone with half a grain of sense will be able to see through it. I do have a problem with people putting up reasoning that is at best factually incorrect and at worst totally made up, I am aware not all information is correct but provided it is posted in good faith fair enough but given past experiences I would tend to believe that the info in this case has been flat out invented.

FatRat

Motivator wrote: »

The forum has been dead for about two years. No longer any of the decent debates or knowledable posts from the likes of Rossom. I used to be a fairly regular poster down through the years but there’s nothing interesting happening on a day to day basis. Reading his tripe certainly wouldn’t entice me to get stuck in to any debates on a thread anyway.

Forum is dead but you seem to have read all of Goat's posts. Let him do him and ignore if you have to but at least someone is putting something up. You talk of decent debates but I'm gonna guess and say you've never sparked a debate with him by challenging his opinions/selection. That's generally how debates start, not childish "Your posts are tripe" - because believe me when I say that also contributes nothing to this forum. If it's tripe then readers should recognise it, others may agree with him, who are you to decide other people's opinions and views.

I'd say you were a gem to this forum back when you posted. All the right characteristic. For what it's worth I disagree with most of what Goat has put up but at least he does it. Too bad nobody calls him out with reasonable arguments that lead to debates - one-sided or not. This forum is actually toxic the majority of the time, it's such a shame.

Mostly Harmless

FatRat wrote: »

Forum is dead but you seem to have read all of Goat's posts. Let him do him and ignore if you have to but at least someone is putting something up. You talk of decent debates but I'm gonna guess and say you've never sparked a debate with him by challenging his opinions/selection. That's generally how debates start, not childish "Your posts are tripe" - because believe me when I say that also contributes nothing to this forum. If it's tripe then readers should recognise it, others may agree with him, who are you to decide other people's opinions and views.

I'd say you were a gem to this forum back when you posted. All the right characteristic. For what it's worth I disagree with most of what Goat has put up but at least he does it. Too bad nobody calls him out with reasonable arguments that lead to debates - one-sided or not. This forum is actually toxic the majority of the time, it's such a shame.

I have tried calling him out with reasonable arguments on a few occasions, his posts are total tripe and it's not really a subjective matter.

kiers47

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

I have tried calling him out with reasonable arguments on a few occasions, his posts are total tripe and it's not really a subjective matter.

I'd agree with this. I've also been trying to have a reasoned debate with him. But he is never wrong in his own mind which is a flawed way of thinking. There are intelligent people on here(im probably not one of them but I have a lot of views. Some right some very wrong). When you are unwilling to accept other people's views then really you are hardly in the right place to have a debate. At which point you are just a preacher trying to preach the gospel word of your own flawed way of thinking.

There are quite a number of warning signs that in actual fact goat is a man with either a severe gambling problem or else just someone who talks rubbish online to wind people up or perhaps a bit of both. A few weeks ago he had a Max bet on some American claimer at 1/2 if that's not sending out the warning signs I don't know what is.
He then tried to tell us a horses chase mark went up 20lbs for winning a hurdle race the time before. And when questioned by me said he knew that he just made a mistake reading the form. It's ok to be wrong and not know these things. Just stop with the bull****. But the above is basic stuff and he is trying to claim to be some professional. Lol. I'm done with it at this stage tbh. But others can entertain away.

ustari

Would agree with the two previous posters, have the poster on ignore personally.

FatRat

kiers47 wrote: »

I'd agree with this. I've also been trying to have a reasoned debate with him. But he is never wrong in his own mind which is a flawed way of thinking. There are intelligent people on here(im probably not one of them but I have a lot of views. Some right some very wrong). When you are unwilling to accept other people's views then really you are hardly in the right place to have a debate. At which point you are just a preacher trying to preach the gospel word of your own flawed way of thinking.

There are quite a number of warning signs that in actual fact goat is a man with either a severe gambling problem or else just someone who talks rubbish online to wind people up or perhaps a bit of both. A few weeks ago he had a Max bet on some American claimer at 1/2 if that's not sending out the warning signs I don't know what is.
He then tried to tell us a horses chase mark went up 20lbs for winning a hurdle race the time before. And when questioned by me said he knew that he just made a mistake reading the form. It's ok to be wrong and not know these things. Just stop with the bull****. But the above is basic stuff and he is trying to claim to be some professional. Lol. I'm done with it at this stage tbh. But others can entertain away.

This is fair enough. I've read everything he has put up over the past few months and I couldn't get my head around how he was laying 9/4 favourites in class 6 races (or similar) on the reg. That's the main thing I couldn't get my head around. The American race you refer to was a telling factor in fairness, I remember seeing that and wondering what he was at. But these are reasons why I don't follow his posts but....

However, as much as I disagree with the guy, you have to realise that attacking someone is not to way to go about this. I admit I haven't done this but I am not very active on this forum but people who with disagree this strongly need to call posts like this out (by goat or other posters) and reason with why they believe this stuff is tripe. Honestly you may as well be aftertiming if you come on here after the fact and call a lad out for posting tripe. His latest call out for how Monbeg Gold would not lose irked me but only because we had Motivator come on and call him out after-the-fact. Explain how this is not equivalent to being captain hindsight? Would this post have been made if Monbeg Gold lost?

Look, like I said I don't agree with the guy in general but how he is being attacked is uncalled for. He is following the exact charter of the forum .. posting stuff he believes are good selections. If the guy has a gambling problem is more of a reason to call him out and tell him why he is wrong (based on your opinion). But of course people are reluctant to do this until they're sure his betting fails. Like I said, this no better than the critics after-timing.

I'd like to hear why it isn't the case.