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Dates for CBAs extended

  • 22-11-2018 10:40pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭


    New circular out today extends the dates for the CBAs....does anyone know what they're doing..??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    Icsics wrote: »
    New circular out today extends the dates for the CBAs....does anyone know what they're doing..??

    If they could extend the dates to some date twenty years from now I'd be very happy :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭Icsics


    If they could extend the dates to some date twenty years from now I'd be very happy :)

    Isn't the whole thing a complete joke, extending dates to March?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    Icsics wrote: »
    Isn't the whole thing a complete joke, extending dates to March?!

    No one knows anything - it's sad when they are meant to be reforming education but instead they are dumbing down our education system and piling on lots of pressure on our poor second years/Junior Certs. Can't wait for reformed Leaving Cert :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,336 ✭✭✭✭km79


    It’s an absolute farce now
    Schools have their dates long planned anyway
    Assessment tasks in same subject could now be months apart ????????

    They also release CBA2 student exemplars for science today to aid teachers
    Obviously they again didn’t have one for each descriptor
    Oh no why would they
    5 of one descriptor
    2 of another
    And none for the other two

    Just ridiculous
    The worst thing is that some aspects of it are working well but it was just rushed through without taking on board views of the professionals involved

    I await Ruairi Quinn/PureClareGolds positive spin on this latest evidence that it really is just make it up as they go along
    A view confirmed at our latest JCT science day. The coordinator was asked about the Level 2 courses and support for the students ( I can’t remember the exact question)
    Her answer was they were working on it and hope to roll it out soon
    So what about the children who are 3 years in ???????
    RIDICULOUS


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭maynooth_rules


    Sums up the whole Junior Cycle. Give it 2 years and it will bloody anarchy in schools woth all their CBAs. Ridiculous idea that rightly has **** all support amongst teachers. But the powers that be will persevere with the noncense to the detriment of our children.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭PureClareGold


    km79 wrote: »
    It’s an absolute farce now
    Schools have their dates long planned anyway
    Assessment tasks in same subject could now be months apart ????????

    They also release CBA2 student exemplars for science today to aid teachers
    Obviously they again didn’t have one for each descriptor
    Oh no why would they
    5 of one descriptor
    2 of another
    And none for the other two

    Just ridiculous
    The worst thing is that some aspects of it are working well but it was just rushed through without taking on board views of the professionals involved

    I await Ruairi Quinn/PureClareGolds positive spin on this latest evidence that it really is just make it up as they go along
    A view confirmed at our latest JCT science day. The coordinator was asked about the Level 2 courses and support for the students ( I can’t remember the exact question)
    Her answer was they were working on it and hope to roll it out soon
    So what about the children who are 3 years in ???????
    RIDICULOUS

    I am quite annoyed at the fact that this is being released now. Makes no sense to do this to teachers and kids now. Would like to know why


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭Icsics


    I am quite annoyed at the fact that this is being released now. Makes no sense to do this to teachers and kids now. Would like to know why

    Yes PureClareGold, none of it makes any sense. This episode just highlights the farce that is now the JC. We decided to work on original timelines & not tell kids of March deadlines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,336 ✭✭✭✭km79


    I am quite annoyed at the fact that this is being released now. Makes no sense to do this to teachers and kids now. Would like to know why

    Because they are making it up as they go along
    The facililtator more or less said that last Monday
    I have put a LOT of time into preparing class resources for new science course and I am going to be very very annoyed when it changes . And it will. Soon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭PureClareGold


    Icsics wrote: »
    Yes PureClareGold, none of it makes any sense. This episode just highlights the farce that is now the JC. We decided to work on original timelines & not tell kids of March deadlines.

    Didn't say none of it makes any sense. This part doesn't which in reality is just admin. We can all stick with original dates and nothing changes. I don't think the specs and subjects are a farce. Have quite enjoyed seeing my students engage with their CBAs. They have learned loads. That's been my experience


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,202 ✭✭✭amacca


    Didn't say none of it makes any sense. This part doesn't which in reality is just admin. We can all stick with original dates and nothing changes. I don't think the specs and subjects are a farce. Have quite enjoyed seeing my students engage with their CBAs. They have learned loads. That's been my experience

    Fair enough ....would you accept that you might be in the minority.


    in one way they are less ridiculous than the old green booklet I suppose..those just dragged on and on forever to the detriment of exam prep etc and were of questionable benefit in terms of the kids actually learning...the hard deadline and short amount of time to do the CBA in would be one benefit I could see as long as the teacher is allowed to let a student fail if they don't engage and there are no repercussions for the teacher.....thats a big if though as the teacher seems to always end up being johnny in the middle with this stuff.

    The extension of the deadline doesn't bode well for that potential benefit (slim as it is)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,336 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Can someone clear something up for me
    The assessment task is set by the SEC and corrected by them
    I assumed it was the same “ exam” for all students all over the country
    Now we have a situation where there are months between some students doing it ????!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,202 ✭✭✭amacca


    km79 wrote: »
    Can someone clear something up for me
    The assessment task is set by the SEC and corrected by them
    I assumed it was the same “ exam” for all students all over the country
    Now we have a situation where there are months between some students doing it ????!

    ah sure don't worry...if that is the case its a low stakes exam, it doesn't really matter................................thats the general vibe here despite all the circular action verb definitions and wonderful specifications and engaging and unpacking thats going on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Blaizes


    Wild guess but maybe the deadline is too tight to be easily met by all schools.Doing a paternity leave subbing recently and English dept. was under pressure to get all the stuff in for the deadlines.Getting the kids to rewrite the work after drafts etc. then typing everything up all very very time consuming and a lot of pressure on everyone. If these roll out across every subject I just don't know... Panic stations maybe!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭happywithlife


    we've only english science & business CBA-s to factor this yr (as far as i know) and already its causing timetabling issues. plus there was a ruction today when DP put up xmas exam timetable with slots timetabled for xmas exams when CBA's are meant to be used instead - excuse was parents will want a traditional xmas grade


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,336 ✭✭✭✭km79


    we've only english science & business CBA-s to factor this yr (as far as i know) and already its causing timetabling issues. plus there was a ruction today when DP put up xmas exam timetable with slots timetabled for xmas exams when CBA's are meant to be used instead - excuse was parents will want a traditional xmas grade

    Parents dont have a say !
    The circular this week categorically states CBA's will replace the relevant house exams and must do so to prevent over assessment for both students and teachers
    This is one of the main selling points of the new JC after all
    However some people only seem to notice this when it suits them and what the best of every world
    It's all new JC/wellbeing/ group work being pushed on one hand but then "we need to give them a proper test" on the other . And I am not only talking about management !
    It's in . Go with it. But all of it. Not just the bits that suit!
    Parents slowly beginning to realise the implications but it's too late now! They had their chance to have their say. Most didn't take it and those that did were all for it as it took the focus/pressure off terminal exams.......well we are where we are now as the saying goes!
    Stand your ground. Ye will only get one chance at this .....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,202 ✭✭✭amacca


    its not fair to expect individual teachers stand up for whats right and then have a target painted on their back and they are more and more a group made up of factions

    if those are the recommendations/rules then management shouldn't get away with being selective but it can't be up to teachers to have to fight them on everything imo

    either the cbas replace christmas tests or they don't ... end of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Mardy Bum


    km79 wrote: »
    Parents dont have a say !
    The circular this week categorically states CBA's will replace the relevant house exams and must do so to prevent over assessment for both students and teachers
    This is one of the main selling points of the new JC after all
    However some people only seem to notice this when it suits them and what the best of every world
    It's all new JC/wellbeing/ group work being pushed on one hand but then "we need to give them a proper test" on the other . And I am not only talking about management !
    It's in . Go with it. But all of it. Not just the bits that suit!
    Parents slowly beginning to realise the implications but it's too late now! They had their chance to have their say. Most didn't take it and those that did were all for it as it took the focus/pressure off terminal exams.......well we are where we are now as the saying goes!
    Stand your ground. Ye will only get one chance at this .....

    Ironically, the Inspectorate will arrive and inform you that you must be assessing your students often.

    A lot of teachers want house exams still which makes it a very complex situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭LaLa2004


    km79 wrote: »
    A view confirmed at our latest JCT science day. The coordinator was asked about the Level 2 courses and support for the students ( I can’t remember the exact question)
    Her answer was they were working on it and hope to roll it out soon
    So what about the children who are 3 years in ???????
    RIDICULOUS

    The Level 2 Learning Programmes are another example of dumbing down.

    In the past we had subjects at ordinary level and foundation-level Maths. Students with a mild/moderate learning difficulty could sit a junior Cert exam. Now foundation Maths is gone and in other subjects, they are sitting the same paper as the brightest in the country.

    Their CBA's will be deemed "failed to meet expectations". Lovely term...

    In my opinion the standard of the Level 2's are completely at the discretion of the school. There is no external marking, evaluation or moderation.

    Teachers are put to the pin of their collar with this new Junior Cycle at Level 3, not to mind having to train themselves up on Level 2's.

    ☹️


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭Icsics


    LaLa2004 wrote: »
    The Level 2 Learning Programmes are another example of dumbing down.

    In the past we had subjects at ordinary level and foundation-level Maths. Students with a mild/moderate learning difficulty could sit a junior Cert exam. Now foundation Maths is gone and in other subjects, they are sitting the same paper as the brightest in the country.

    Their CBA's will be deemed "failed to meet expectations". Lovely term...

    In my opinion the standard of the Level 2's are completely at the discretion of the school. There is no external marking, evaluation or moderation.

    Teachers are put to the pin of their collar with this new Junior Cycle at Level 3, not to mind having to train themselves up on Level 2's.

    ☹️
    Can Level 2s only be offered in DES schools?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭Moody_mona


    I'm giving a one hour test instead of a two hour for my third years this year. I know the CBA is meant to replace them, but science has gone from 65% terminal exam to 90% and I simply can't justify taking away exam practice from them. If I was to replace the 2nd year summer test and 3rd year Christmas test as per recommendations, they'd go from Christmas of 2nd year to mocks in 3rd year without a long exam and I simply don't think that's fair. I've made this point before, sorry for the repetition.

    As an aside, that circular was not released two days ago. Its dated 12th November and specifies that the Business and Science CBA2s can start from that date. Is there a reason why JCT or NCCA only put this on twitter yesterday? I see no reason for the delay, and the lack of communication is shocking.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭solerina


    LaLa2004 wrote: »
    The Level 2 Learning Programmes are another example of dumbing down.

    In the past we had subjects at ordinary level and foundation-level Maths. Students with a mild/moderate learning difficulty could sit a junior Cert exam. Now foundation Maths is gone and in other subjects, they are sitting the same paper as the brightest in the country.

    Their CBA's will be deemed "failed to meet expectations". Lovely term...

    In my opinion the standard of the Level 2's are completely at the discretion of the school. There is no external marking, evaluation or moderation.

    Teachers are put to the pin of their collar with this new Junior Cycle at Level 3, not to mind having to train themselves up on Level 2's.

    ☹️
    We were told that the L2LP are only for the very very weak SEN students, those who really can’t manage common level papers or the amount of subjects involved, so not dumbed down but made attainable for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,336 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Moody_mona wrote: »
    I'm giving a one hour test instead of a two hour for my third years this year. I know the CBA is meant to replace them, but science has gone from 65% terminal exam to 90% and I simply can't justify taking away exam practice from them. If I was to replace the 2nd year summer test and 3rd year Christmas test as per recommendations, they'd go from Christmas of 2nd year to mocks in 3rd year without a long exam and I simply don't think that's fair. I've made this point before, sorry for the repetition.

    As an aside, that circular was not released two days ago. Its dated 12th November and specifies that the Business and Science CBA2s can start from that date. Is there a reason why JCT or NCCA only put this on twitter yesterday? I see no reason for the delay, and the lack of communication is shocking.

    They don’t have to go from Xmas of second year to Xmas of 3rd year
    We moved all JC and LC exams to start of November (something I had wanted for AGES anyway due to proximity of Xmas tests/reports to mocks)
    We did NOT give a summer test in second year as like it or not it’s in . We are giving loads and loads extra to students as part of the new course .
    What about our wellbeing ? Why would you willing place extra exam pressures ( preparing and correcting exams) on yourself ?
    Our format is now as follows

    2nd year Xmas test

    Continuous class assessment for remainder of year

    CBA 1 April /May
    SLAR is the week before summer tests so we have those to correct just before summer tests . And you would wnat another set straight after ? And send home 2 sets of results ? That is the very definition of over assessment .

    JC- First week of November house exams

    December /January - CBA and SLAR

    February Mocks

    That’s plenty of assessment to prepare them for an exam you are not supposed to be able to teach them towards now anyway

    We had a subject dept meeting about this last year.
    There were a few dissenting voices at the start but not by the end when it was all laid out .

    I do not agree with the new course . But it is in so I have put a LOAD of class preparation time in to change my teaching techniques to reflect the new content and assessment style
    I was not then going to be told by anyone that was grand but we also want the old style of assessment to stay as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭Moody_mona


    I understand km79. Especially about our wellbeing and putting too much corrections on us in the run up to summer tests in 2nd year. I do not teach to a test, but I do not think it's fair to not give students the opportunity to practice sitting down for longer than a class period in an exam setting answering questions on topics they have studied throughout the year. I will be doing my second year CBA when we go back after Christmas so I will not be adding extra corrections to my workload just before the summer tests.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Noveight


    This Junior Cert reform was changing for the sake of changing.

    Now that their supposedly progressive ideas are being put in to practice they’re proving to be utterly useless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,336 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Moody_mona wrote: »
    I understand km79. Especially about our wellbeing and putting too much corrections on us in the run up to summer tests in 2nd year. I do not teach to a test, but I do not think it's fair to not give students the opportunity to practice sitting down for longer than a class period in an exam setting answering questions on topics they have studied throughout the year. I will be doing my second year CBA when we go back after Christmas so I will not be adding extra corrections to my workload just before the summer tests.
    When will you be doing the 3rd Year CBA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Mardy Bum


    solerina wrote: »
    We were told that the L2LP are only for the very very weak SEN students, those who really can’t manage common level papers or the amount of subjects involved, so not dumbed down but made attainable for them.

    Yes they are for students with a 4th class understanding. Very very few students should be doing them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭Moody_mona


    km79 wrote: »
    When will you be doing the 3rd Year CBA

    I was always a bit unsure. We actually have Christmas tests next week so I was going to do it after those. I didn't want to do it after Christmas as mocks would be coming up. But now I think I'll do it after February midterm as a bit of a change or scenery.

    When I was in school we did February tests, so the whole school did "mocks" if that makes sense. The Christmas tests and mocks can feel very close together.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,336 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Moody_mona wrote: »
    I was always a bit unsure. We actually have Christmas tests next week so I was going to do it after those. I didn't want to do it after Christmas as mocks would be coming up. But now I think I'll do it after February midterm as a bit of a change or scenery.

    When I was in school we did February tests, so the whole school did "mocks" if that makes sense. The Christmas tests and mocks can feel very close together.

    So you will in the space of 2 months or so have
    2nd year xmas test 2nd year cba
    3rd year xmas test 3rd year mocks 3rd year cba?

    Ye need to change timing of JC/LC exams imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭Moody_mona


    Again I see your point. To be honest if that circular had been released earlier, I would have pushed to have my third year cba done during the exam week, well not done during, but scheduled them for class throughout the week maybe.

    I disagree that students shouldn't have that many exams in a short space. Third years have practical art, home ec, music and language orals also within a two month period around March/April. I don't they need to be shielded from work.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,336 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Moody_mona wrote: »
    Again I see your point. To be honest if that circular had been released earlier, I would have pushed to have my third year cba done during the exam week, well not done during, but scheduled them for class throughout the week maybe.

    I disagree that students shouldn't have that many exams in a short space. Third years have practical art, home ec, music and language orals also within a two month period around March/April. I don't they need to be shielded from work.

    I was referring to the teachers workload more so ..........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭LaLa2004


    Mardy Bum wrote: »
    Yes they are for students with a 4th class understanding. Very very few students should be doing them.

    They should give theses students a bit of respect and externally mark their work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,336 ✭✭✭✭km79


    LaLa2004 wrote: »
    They should give theses students a bit of respect and externally mark their work.

    Or had it al sorted BEFORE implementation of the new course
    Some of these kids are now in the third year of some subjects
    And we were told they “hope “ to roll out supports soon
    That’s the new JC in a nutshell
    Make it up as they go along

    Some people don’t wnat to hear that but that is the truth
    I keep saying this but I believe it. There is virtue in some aspects of the new Junior Cycle curriculum BUT it was rushed through by R Quinn without PROPER consultation with the professionals who would be delivering it
    We will be paying the price for years
    Parents starting to see it now and making demands around assessment
    Tough luck . Welcome to our world . It’s almost as if teachers actullay know what Is good and bad for education practice ........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 Education matters


    km79 wrote: »
    Or had it al sorted BEFORE implementation of the new course
    Some of these kids are now in the third year of some subjects
    And we were told they “hope “ to roll out supports soon
    That’s the new JC in a nutshell
    Make it up as they go along

    Some people don’t wnat to hear that but that is the truth
    I keep saying this but I believe it. There is virtue in some aspects of the new Junior Cycle curriculum BUT it was rushed through by R Quinn without PROPER consultation with the professionals who would be delivering it
    We will be paying the price for years
    Parents starting to see it now and making demands around assessment
    Tough luck . Welcome to our world . It’s almost as if teachers actullay know what Is good and bad for education practice ........

    I’ve spent the day reading this circular and there’s lots more to it. Extending dates of CBAs is farcical when English and Business have started and the circular says you must still use only the three/four week time frame. What am I supposed to do, stop and do another week in February? If I don’t do CBA now I’ll have a Christmas test to correct so no replacing house exams there then!
    The Management Resource Hours are cut but not divisible by 40 minutes so I don’t know how that works out half way through the year. I mean seriously who thinks up this stuff.
    The biggest change though is that the professional time under the old circular was operated under a high trust model, this circular says the time is subject to verification by the inspectorate meaning we will have to account for all of this time in detail. There’s no credit for all the planning we’ve done and continue to do and as the post above says there’s no recognition for us as professionals at all. It amazes me as someone who agreed with many of changes that this reform has descended into forcing teachers to watch webinars, listen to guff and honestly it has yet to meet expectations!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭happywithlife


    I don't teach English/Bus/Science but as a teacher with a practical exam in that timeframe of Music/Home Ec practicals could those CBA's now be scheduled to conflict with that timeframe? Students doing both music & home ec are already stressed to the eyeballs coming up to the practicals with extra practice etc. some will simply crack if CBA's are added into the mix.
    or am i worrying for nothing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,336 ✭✭✭✭km79


    I don't teach English/Bus/Science but as a teacher with a practical exam in that timeframe of Music/Home Ec practicals could those CBA's now be scheduled to conflict with that timeframe? Students doing both music & home ec are already stressed to the eyeballs coming up to the practicals with extra practice etc. some will simply crack if CBA's are added into the mix.
    or am i worrying for nothing?

    The original timeframes had them all spread to avoid each other and those practicals
    We have stuck with the original times
    They sit in well with our new exam TT as I outlined previously

    I have NO IDEA why they have now changed their minds


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,202 ✭✭✭amacca


    km79 wrote: »
    I do not agree with the new course . But it is in so I have put a LOAD of class preparation time in to change my teaching techniques to reflect the new content and assessment style
    I was not then going to be told by anyone that was grand but we also want the old style of assessment to stay as well.

    The problem for some is the department structure...if a group of your fellow teachers decide they want to give tests...what are you supposed to do, especially if its part of a house exam at xmas..

    you are stuck doing it and the CBAs etc

    if you have already prepared and discussed and are about to start the CBAs soon due to the previous timetable but now you find your colleagues want to wait wtf are you supposed to do...I already know the answer to that one, its look like a bumbling idiot in front of your class.

    Excuse me but what an utter load of bolox the implementation of this new JC has been....initially I thought they had at least some sort of plan and were bullying teachers into submission/disrespecting them (which is also wrong and counter productive)....admittedly that was before I read the specification...which would be better called obfuscation (you just know anything that has you scratching your head wondering why pages and pages of aspirational flowery language are needed to describe something that should be relatively straightforward and concise and uses phrases like unpack has to be utter bull****)

    Now it looks like they really have been making this up as they go along...another HSE style pen pushers at the top justifying their positions with reform for the sake of reform as others have said imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭paddybarry


    Schools must follow circular. It is very clear. If you have started cba before christmas, it replaces christmas exam. Does not matter what colleagues in department say. To be honest, the circular is welcoming in this regard as many schools were happy/insisted on both.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,202 ✭✭✭amacca


    What if they don't?

    what if management apply pressure for tests as well?

    what if your dept decides a test is a good idea?



    theres an element of picking a choosing going on for whatever reason......by what means will the circular be enforced on the ground?


    I have a feeling it won't be.........the circulars that have your time wasted listening to hot air at meetings and planning will be however.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭paddybarry


    amacca wrote: »
    What if they don't?

    what if management apply pressure for tests as well?

    what if your dept decides a test is a good idea?



    theres an element of picking a choosing going on for whatever reason......by what means will the circular be enforced on the ground?


    I have a feeling it won't be.........the circulars that have your time wasted listening to hot air at meetings and planning will be however.
    That's why we have unions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,202 ✭✭✭amacca


    paddybarry wrote: »
    That's why we have unions.

    OK ... maybe I'm wrong but I see that as the nuclear option.

    Another problem I have with a lot of this "reform' is the wedge it drives between staff members and between staff and management.

    Its a loss for both sides, maybe naive but teachers would be so much better off if they backed each other rather than informing on each other. Perhaps as management see their authority and ability to make suitable decisions on the ground being slowly eroded they might stand up and back their colleagues.

    I imagine its natural to feel you might be painting a target on your back as well.


    This is what happens when administrators, self important functionaries and token representatives paid more to tow the party line decide for people working on the ground how they should do their jobs (without any reference to the resources including time (massive reduction in contact hrs needed imo), pupil teacher ratio, ICT etc etc and proper disciplinary back up required.

    The education system is in a slow process of deteriorating imo and no amount of "blue sky" thinking is going to let them unpack their way out of it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    The biggest change though is that the professional time under the old circular was operated under a high trust model, this circular says the time is subject to verification by the inspectorate meaning we will have to account for all of this time in detail. There’s no credit for all the planning we’ve done and continue to do and as the post above says there’s no recognition for us as professionals at all.

    Subject to verification could mean anything really though? Our principal had us complete a google form last year to confirm in writing that we had used our professional time appropriately and I believe just had a box for us to list some of the work we had done. That’s technically verification and should be fine by the inspectorate IMO


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 Education matters


    Subject to verification could mean anything really though? Our principal had us complete a google form last year to confirm in writing that we had used our professional time appropriately and I believe just had a box for us to list some of the work we had done. That’s technically verification and should be fine by the inspectorate IMO

    I’d love to agree and hopefully that’s what will happen but I just think the wording has changed so much between thecirculars this is literally giving management a stick to beat us? Why mention the inspectorate at all? Hopefully you’re right and I’m wrong!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,336 ✭✭✭✭km79


    If they had just left the dates as they were it gave schools a chance to plan out exams/noexams around that
    Now it’s a free for all
    Idiotic and pointless


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭solerina


    Subject to verification could mean anything really though? Our principal had us complete a google form last year to confirm in writing that we had used our professional time appropriately and I believe just had a box for us to list some of the work we had done. That’s technically verification and should be fine by the inspectorate IMO

    I teach science to first, second and third years all doing the new specification...I need to plan, prepare and correct work associated with the new specification. To think 40mins a week would be all the time neededis farsical....I see no need to justify how I spend the 40 mins, it’s obvious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    Anyone under pressure getting access to IT to complete CBA's?

    We've 5 subjects timetabled for 'the IT room' but now other subjects are knocking on the door saying they need to use computers to complete CBA's!
    Maybe if they tell em to come back at lunchtime :pac:

    What are the different subjects that depend on IT for CBAs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,336 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Anyone under pressure getting access to IT to complete CBA's?

    We've 5 subjects timetabled for 'the IT room' but now other subjects are knocking on the door saying they need to use computers to complete CBA's!
    Maybe if they tell em to come back at lunchtime :pac:

    What are the different subjects that depend on IT for CBAs?
    Yes
    All need it for some aspect of it

    Latest science one is a research topic
    Ideally need access to internet during the entire CBA period
    Most kids will also choose to type it up or do a PowerPoint


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭happywithlife


    Anyone under pressure getting access to IT to complete CBA's?

    We've 5 subjects timetabled for 'the IT room' but now other subjects are knocking on the door saying they need to use computers to complete CBA's!
    Maybe if they tell em to come back at lunchtime :pac:

    What are the different subjects that depend on IT for CBAs?

    yep.
    we've 2 IT labs and its a small enough school and already issues over blocking IT rooms. LCA's also use it a lot. 1st yrs are also currently doing some mini company thing and need access. Internet is hit & miss in the school building so although we have a small number if roaming tablets available you can't rely on internet for research. Printing has also come up at staff meetings and apparently the use of ink & paper has gone through the roof. very few if any of our students would be able to print at home


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭paddybarry


    Anyone under pressure getting access to IT to complete CBA's?

    We've 5 subjects timetabled for 'the IT room' but now other subjects are knocking on the door saying they need to use computers to complete CBA's!
    Maybe if they tell em to come back at lunchtime :pac:

    What are the different subjects that depend on IT for CBAs?

    yep.
    we've 2 IT labs and its a small enough school and already issues over blocking IT rooms. LCA's also use it a lot. 1st yrs are also currently doing some mini company thing and need access. Internet is hit & miss in the school building so although we have a small number if roaming tablets available you can't rely on internet for research. Printing has also come up at staff meetings and apparently the use of ink & paper has gone through the roof. very few if any of our students would be able to print at home
    Equity in education how are you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭Icsics


    Does anybody know when the English Assessment Task is being released?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,336 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Icsics wrote: »
    Does anybody know when the English Assessment Task is being released?

    And again I ask how is this going to be managed with schools doing them months apart now ?


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