John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

topmanamillion

Dots1982 wrote: »

We’ll see what the whistleblower has to say when he/she stories are in the open but the present story actually doesn’t amount to all that much.

Disagree with this. The current story is indicative of how poorly ran the FAI is despite having an annual turn over of E50 million.
There are still an array of questions to be answered no matter what way you view it.
Even if we take the bridging loan at face value, a diligent employee helping his employers out from the goodness of his heart.

Its nothing short of a farce that an organisation with a multi million euro revenue are financially mismanaged to the extent they regularly need to seek special dispensation to draw down grants early and take "bridging loans" just to maintain liquidity.

Coupled with the revelations Kerr has made tonight that LOI clubs are still waiting on European prize money (from last summer) and league prize money for last year's league that finished last October, presumably this money is being withheld by the FAI due to on going liquidity problems. To put a figure on it, the FAI are withholding €1,000,000+ from League of Ireland clubs who can ill afford it. All the while they are paying a CEO (up until last night) a basic salary of €360,000+ various generous benefits. Multiples of what the Italian and Spanish FA heads are receiving.

All that while paying a manager €2 million to get results that the Nordies have matched (Euro 2016 - both last 16, WC 18 - both play offs) in the same time period while paying their manager a fraction of what we have - €300,000.

D14Rugby

Necro wrote: »

Lemme see if I can name everything.

Tax fraud, corruption, possible money laundering.
That's just the criminal element.

The stagnation of Irish football under his tenure.
His monstrous salary.
The cronyism and blatant 'jobs for the lads' structure in the FAI.


His overall attitude to the fans.
The banning of anti-FAI material from matches.
The constant shifting of the goalposts when he comes under scrutiny.

(And the criminal in case you think I'm making it up)

The bung he took from FIFA to shut up about being robbed by France. How that was not his undoing is the most shocking thing.
His behaviour in the aftermath of that entire France debacle. Demanding a 33rd team in the World Cup turning the team into a laughing stock.

Washing money and hiding it from his wife through a 'bridging loan' months out from handing MON a massive contract.

Moving sideways in an organisation, creating a new role so he can still ride the UEFA and FIFA gravy train in an attempt to avoid accountability for the above tax fraud and possible money laundering.


Did I get everything? I don't care about the rebel songs tbh.

Could add in a few things about the LOI but you've covered the majority.

Dots1982

topmanamillion wrote: »

Disagree with this. The current story is indicative of how poorly ran the FAI is despite having an annual turn over of E50 million.
There are still an array of questions to be answered no matter what way you view it.
Even if we take the bridging loan at face value, a diligent employee helping his employers out from the goodness of his heart.

Its nothing short of a farce that an organisation with a multi million euro revenue are financially mismanaged to the extent they regularly need to seek special dispensation to draw down grants early and take "bridging loans" just to maintain liquidity.

Coupled with the revelations Kerr has made tonight that LOI clubs are still waiting on European prize money (from last summer) and league prize money for last year's league that finished last October, presumably this money is being withheld by the FAI due to on going liquidity problems. To put a figure on it, the FAI are withholding €1,000,000+ from League of Ireland clubs who can ill afford it. All the while they are paying a CEO (up until last night) a basic salary of €360,000+ various generous benefits. Multiples of what the Italian and Spanish FA heads are receiving.

All that while paying a manager €2 million to get results that the Nordies have matched (Euro 2016 - both last 16, WC 18 - both play offs) in the same time period while paying their manager a fraction of what we have - €300,000.

The Italian fa president up until recently had been convicted of a litany of crimes in his life. The Spanish FA president is the genius who personally sacked Lopetegui the day before the World Cup started. So they get paid less but don’t offer great value for money either.

You have a fair point on the cash flow issues the FAI experience. We’ll see if the FAI’s money troubles will go away if there is a post Delaney era on the horizon.

joeysoap

D14Rugby wrote: »

They get the UEFA prize money directly but UEFA give the associations money to distribute to clubs for stuff like youth development and that hasn't been handed over yet. Pushing a year now I think.

I thought UEFA prize money went through the FAI. I hope you are right.

Oat23

joeysoap wrote: »

I thought UEFA prize money went through the FAI. I hope you are right.

I always thought it went through the FAI as well. I remember reading somewhere that prize money is distributed to the associations at the end of a campaign to be paid out to clubs.


If clubs haven't been paid prize money, why are the staying quiet about it? That's ridiculous.

Nesta99

D14Rugby wrote: »

They get the UEFA prize money directly but UEFA give the associations money to distribute to clubs for stuff like youth development and that hasn't been handed over yet. Pushing a year now I think.

No UEFA money due to clubs is distributed by the FAI when recieved from UEFA. delays in pevious winnings have resulted in clubs taking out legit bridging loans of their own to cover costs. When the money is eventually recieved it was then possible for Dundalk post 2016 to wait without borrowing. 2018 league and cup prizemoney has not yet been paidpossible UEFA money that was was paid in installments at one point. On one occasion the FAI advanced money to Dundalk based on UEFA winnings and then held whatever had been advanced so not all bad there.

He is a genuine narcacist, had ambitions to stand in a General Election so obviously out of touch of what people think of him.
He is morally bankrupt more than engaging in criminal acts eg not declaring the FIFA 5mil falls on the CFO/auditors. He is a bully and ousts opposition, stomps regularly to the high court for injunctions, denies any chance of transparency of the organisation, looks after his cronies, plays the part of the concerned employee taking a paycut (but having expenses to offset that). He judges others by his own standards - untrusting and devious. As a CEO that has been regularly been seen in a drunk and disorderly state, singing songs that would be offensive to others - general conduct unbefiting of the position and arguably bringing the FAI in to disrepute!?

Any role at the FAI is at risk for him, he could lose his accreditation barring him from practicing accounting. His junkets to UEFA may end also but I doubt he will end up in front of the judicary tbh as much as a case could be put together. OCI involvement is also a big issue for him if that is looked in to.

Nesta99

Oat23 wrote: »

I always thought it went through the FAI as well. I remember reading somewhere that prize money is distributed to the associations at the end of a campaign to be paid out to clubs.


If clubs haven't been paid prize money, why are the staying quiet about it? That's ridiculous.

Rock the boat and suffer the consequences...best be patient, it what the FAI demand

kippy

Dots1982 wrote: »

The Italian fa president up until recently had been convicted of a litany of crimes in his life. The Spanish FA president is the genius who personally sacked Lopetegui the day before the World Cup started. So they get paid less but don’t offer great value for money either.

You have a fair point on the cash flow issues the FAI experience. We’ll see if the FAI’s money troubles will go away if there is a post Delaney era on the horizon.

Why are you still backing Delaney?

Necro

DeanAustin wrote: »

Was the 5 mill illegal? It was a pay off and probably the best deal he was going to get because the 33rd team thing was a complete joke. Bung also infers he pocketed it which didn’t happen.

Also the stuff about money laundering is pure speculation.

I don’t like the man at all and want him out but your post is slanderous and a bit unfair.

Deleted User wrote: »

There is so much to lay at Delaney's door about his involvement with football in this country, that to engage in ugly and idle speculation about his marriage breakdown is not only dangerous and probably defamatory but also completely unnecessary.

Entitled to your opinions as am I. If the mods see an issue with my post they can edit it as necessary.

Until they do then less of the backseat modding maybe yeah?

Great to see Delaney finally get found out.

Always came across as a bit of a spoofer.

Chancer3001

Necro wrote: »

Lemme see if I can name everything.

Tax fraud, corruption, possible money laundering.
That's just the criminal element.

The stagnation of Irish football under his tenure.
His monstrous salary.
The cronyism and blatant 'jobs for the lads' structure in the FAI.


His overall attitude to the fans.
The banning of anti-FAI material from matches.
The constant shifting of the goalposts when he comes under scrutiny.

(And the criminal in case you think I'm making it up)

The bung he took from FIFA to shut up about being robbed by France. How that was not his undoing is the most shocking thing.
His behaviour in the aftermath of that entire France debacle. Demanding a 33rd team in the World Cup turning the team into a laughing stock.

Washing money and hiding it from his wife through a 'bridging loan' months out from handing MON a massive contract.

Moving sideways in an organisation, creating a new role so he can still ride the UEFA and FIFA gravy train in an attempt to avoid accountability for the above tax fraud and possible money laundering.


Did I get everything? I don't care about the rebel songs tbh.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

The tax fraud is only an allegation right? Hasnt been guilty of any criminal thing yet at all? Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Stagnation of irish football - fair enough. Personally id put a lot of that on Trapattoni. He got results so couldn'tget rid. But he played awful stuff.

His salary - meh.

Jobs for the lads - meh. Ebwru organisation ever. From primary teaching to the biggest companies in the world. Its who you know etc etc

His attitude to fans? Another poster disliled him for buying fans tickets from touts when they couldnt afford their own.

Afaik the payment from fifa went to the fai. Not delaney. No way he got to pocket 5m. No chance. Asking to be allpwed in as 33rd team is what got us the payoff. If wed rolled over and said nothing, fifa would have given us diddly.

Hiding money from the wife - meh. Again just speculation. Nothing proven.

Moving sideways he had to create a new role. Hardly gonna sack someone and take their position

secman

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

The tax fraud is only an allegation right? Hasnt been guilty of any criminal thing yet at all? Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Stagnation of irish football - fair enough. Personally id put a lot of that on Trapattoni. He got results so couldn'tget rid. But he played awful stuff.

His salary - meh.

Jobs for the lads - meh. Ebwru organisation ever. From primary teaching to the biggest companies in the world. Its who you know etc etc

His attitude to fans? Another poster disliled him for buying fans tickets from touts when they couldnt afford their own.

Afaik the payment from fifa went to the fai. Not delaney. No way he got to pocket 5m. No chance. Asking to be allpwed in as 33rd team is what got us the payoff. If wed rolled over and said nothing, fifa would have given us diddly.

Hiding money from the wife - meh. Again just speculation. Nothing proven.

Moving sideways he had to create a new role. Hardly gonna sack someone and take their position

Meh...

FixdePitchmark

To be honest I hate Delaney.

But the story about his rent is a bit of a non story.

His overall package is hilarious. But there is no smoking gun in the rent .

If he is got, it will be the 100K.

dundalkfc10

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Necro wrote: »

Lemme see if I can name everything.

Tax fraud, corruption, possible money laundering.
That's just the criminal element.

The stagnation of Irish football under his tenure.
His monstrous salary.
The cronyism and blatant 'jobs for the lads' structure in the FAI.


His overall attitude to the fans.
The banning of anti-FAI material from matches.
The constant shifting of the goalposts when he comes under scrutiny.

(And the criminal in case you think I'm making it up)

The bung he took from FIFA to shut up about being robbed by France. How that was not his undoing is the most shocking thing.
His behaviour in the aftermath of that entire France debacle. Demanding a 33rd team in the World Cup turning the team into a laughing stock.

Washing money and hiding it from his wife through a 'bridging loan' months out from handing MON a massive contract.

Moving sideways in an organisation, creating a new role so he can still ride the UEFA and FIFA gravy train in an attempt to avoid accountability for the above tax fraud and possible money laundering.


Did I get everything? I don't care about the rebel songs tbh.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

The tax fraud is only an allegation right? Hasnt been guilty of any criminal thing yet at all? Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Stagnation of irish football - fair enough. Personally id put a lot of that on Trapattoni. He got results so couldn'tget rid. But he played awful stuff.

His salary - meh.

Jobs for the lads - meh. Ebwru organisation ever. From primary teaching to the biggest companies in the world. Its who you know etc etc

His attitude to fans? Another poster disliled him for buying fans tickets from touts when they couldnt afford their own.

Afaik the payment from fifa went to the fai. Not delaney. No way he got to pocket 5m. No chance. Asking to be allpwed in as 33rd team is what got us the payoff. If wed rolled over and said nothing, fifa would have given us diddly.

Hiding money from the wife - meh. Again just speculation. Nothing proven.

Moving sideways he had to create a new role. Hardly gonna sack someone and take their position

You blame Trappatoni for the stagnation in Irish football?

Is that a joke?

shanec1928

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

The tax fraud is only an allegation right? Hasnt been guilty of any criminal thing yet at all? Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Stagnation of irish football - fair enough. Personally id put a lot of that on Trapattoni. He got results so couldn'tget rid. But he played awful stuff.

His salary - meh.

Jobs for the lads - meh. Ebwru organisation ever. From primary teaching to the biggest companies in the world. Its who you know etc etc

His attitude to fans? Another poster disliled him for buying fans tickets from touts when they couldnt afford their own.

Afaik the payment from fifa went to the fai. Not delaney. No way he got to pocket 5m. No chance. Asking to be allpwed in as 33rd team is what got us the payoff. If wed rolled over and said nothing, fifa would have given us diddly.

Hiding money from the wife - meh. Again just speculation. Nothing proven.

Moving sideways he had to create a new role. Hardly gonna sack someone and take their position

Im guessing JD gave your local club a few bob for an astro

Father Hernandez

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

The tax fraud is only an allegation right? Hasnt been guilty of any criminal thing yet at all? Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Stagnation of irish football - fair enough. Personally id put a lot of that on Trapattoni. He got results so couldn'tget rid. But he played awful stuff.

His salary - meh.

Jobs for the lads - meh. Ebwru organisation ever. From primary teaching to the biggest companies in the world. Its who you know etc etc

His attitude to fans? Another poster disliled him for buying fans tickets from touts when they couldnt afford their own.

Afaik the payment from fifa went to the fai. Not delaney. No way he got to pocket 5m. No chance. Asking to be allpwed in as 33rd team is what got us the payoff. If wed rolled over and said nothing, fifa would have given us diddly.

Hiding money from the wife - meh. Again just speculation. Nothing proven.

Moving sideways he had to create a new role. Hardly gonna sack someone and take their position

Given you’re defending him and with that username, are you John Delaney in disguise? :pac:

Necro

Necro wrote: »

Entitled to your opinions as am I. If the mods see an issue with my post they can edit it as necessary.

Until they do then less of the backseat modding maybe yeah?

At least you appreciate that at least some of your accusations are not remotely fact at all, but "opinion".

I'd call the marriage stuff "nasty and idle speculation".

We'll just have to differ on the descriptions.

Necro

Deleted User wrote:

At least you appreciate that at least some of your accusations are not remotely fact at all, but "opinion".

As Chancer says above.

Meh.

That you wish to focus on those is your problem, not mine.

threein99

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

To be honest I hate Delaney.

But the story about his rent is a bit of a non story.

His overall package is hilarious. But there is no smoking gun in the rent .

If he is got, it will be the 100K.

Considering hes on 360k a year do you think the FAI should be paying his rent ?

Chancer3001

shanec1928 wrote: »

Im guessing JD gave your local club a few bob for an astro

Fai gave loads to astros down here to be fair. 8 or 9 built in the last few years

Necro

Chancer3001 wrote:

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Not a problem

Chancer3001 wrote:

The tax fraud is only an allegation right? Hasnt been guilty of any criminal thing yet at all? Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Yep, fair point, still doesn't explain why a sporting organisation taking in 50 million in revenue per year needs to borrow money off their top man.

He could have instead, oh you know... taken a pay cut?

Chancer3001 wrote:

Stagnation of irish football - fair enough. Personally id put a lot of that on Trapattoni. He got results so couldn'tget rid. But he played awful stuff.

It is not Giovanni Trapattonis fault the LOI is grossly underfunded and their legs are cut off them having their TV rights bundled in together with home internationals.

That, let us not forget that Delaney et al sold to Sky and would have had off domestic TV but for a government ruling.

It's not Trapattonis fault that the FAI have withheld payment from successful LOI teams from last season. Unless he's some sort of sorcerer with a spell on the FAI.

Chancer3001 wrote:

His salary - meh.

See above. If the FAI are in trouble then take a pay cut on a grossly inflated salary plus expenses including rent.

Or just do his job properly and not get them into that situation in the first place.

Chancer3001 wrote:

His attitude to fans? Another poster disliled him for buying fans tickets from touts when they couldnt afford their own.

See above. Taking TV rights or at least attempting to do so off free to air TV but for the intervention of the government.

Chancer3001 wrote:

Afaik the payment from fifa went to the fai. Not delaney. No way he got to pocket 5m. No chance. Asking to be allpwed in as 33rd team is what got us the payoff. If wed rolled over and said nothing, fifa would have given us diddly.

The payoff is cited as one of the major issues that ousted Sepp Blatter. It was hard, concrete evidence of corruption in the sport.

If you're ok with the CEO of the country's football organisation behaving in that manner, then I don't really know what to say.

Chancer3001 wrote:

Hiding money from the wife - meh. Again just speculation. Nothing proven.

For now.

Chancer3001 wrote:

Moving sideways he had to create a new role. Hardly gonna sack someone and take their position

You don't see what's wrong with that? He's essentially CEO still in everything but title.

What will be the salary for this new position?

Given the organisation needed a 'bridging loan' from him previously, how on earth will they afford this new role AND the CEO'S salary.

What will the new CEO'S salary be? Another 360k + expenses?

GavRedKing

The total prize money for the LoI Premier Divisions 10 sides is roughly €370k.

The CEO is paid €360k a year before expenses and he then had rent paid on a house in the amount of €36k a year, if you finish 3rd in the LoI, your prize money is €35k.

Either the LoI sides are competing for massively underpaid prize money or the CEO is massively overpaid.

Berserker

So, what are you guys planning on doing tomorrow night to protest against JD? Walkout during the game, don't turn up at all, banners?

threein99 wrote: »

Considering hes on 360k a year do you think the FAI should be paying his rent ?

Note sure why people are getting so caught up on this. It's part of the package for the CEO of the organisation. It's far from uncommon. The CEO of the company I work for is not Irish and her rent is covered by the company. My employer paid my rent, well most of it, when I lived in NY.

yourdeadwright

Not sure if its been spoken about but wasn't Mr Delaney going through a Divorce when the money was loaned to the FAI ?

Seems like a handy way to get money out of your account in case the missus mite want some

Dots1982

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Not sure if its been spoken about but wasn't Mr Delaney going through a Divorce when the money was loaned to the FAI ?

Seems like a handy way to get money out of your account in case the missus mite want some

It’s already been said that the reason we know about the loan was because of the divorce proceedings so it was disclosed in that court and the Irish times used that disclosure to create the story.

So any accusation that the money was being hidden is without foundation as things stand.

Dots1982

GavRedKing wrote: »

The total prize money for the LoI Premier Divisions 10 sides is roughly €370k.

The CEO is paid €360k a year before expenses and he then had rent paid on a house in the amount of €36k a year, if you finish 3rd in the LoI, your prize money is €35k.

Either the LoI sides are competing for massively underpaid prize money or the CEO is massively overpaid.

It really depends on how much money the LOI generate for the FAI through tv deals and sponsorship. If it far exceeds the prize fund then yes the LOI clubs are being ripped off.

Dots1982

Weepsie wrote: »

These companies were not getting something in the region of 7.5 million in public funding though were they?

We don’t know what perks the heads of state bodies get. The head of the IRFU, the president of the IOC. Even spread it out to the HSE, FAS, the Garda commissioner. As far as I know their financial packages are not for public consumption.

Mokuba

Dots1982 wrote: »

It really depends on how much money the LOI generate for the FAI through tv deals and sponsorship. If it far exceeds the prize fund then yes the LOI clubs are being ripped off.

Utter, utter dribble.

It is the job of the FAI to promote and improve the LOI. Any failure in "TV deals" (LOL) and Sponsorship is a failure of the FAI.

Berserker

Weepsie wrote: »

These companies were not getting something in the region of 7.5 million in public funding though were they?

Is JD's rent being paid out of that €7.5 million? I find it odd that people are latching on to this point. There are plenty of other reasons, viable reasons, why he should step aside. If your employer offered to pay your rent/mortgage would you turn it down?

Mokuba wrote: »

It is the job of the FAI to promote and improve the LOI. Any failure in "TV deals" (LOL) and Sponsorship is a failure of the FAI.

So if Sky sports buy the rights to be the sole broadcaster of all Irish international football games and a handful of Lol games, for a bucket load of cash, which can be pumped into the game here, you'd be happy with that?

D14Rugby

Dots1982 wrote: »

It really depends on how much money the LOI generate for the FAI through tv deals and sponsorship. If it far exceeds the prize fund then yes the LOI clubs are being ripped off.

Other than the fact what you're saying is a load of ****e anyway
Quite often the LOI clubs pay the FAI more in fees and fines than the prize pot. That's just wrong. A good chunk of the prize pot it made up of "affiliation fees" too which in itself is wrong.