John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

HalloweenJack

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2019/1202/1096454-management-crisis-at-fai-as-foley-declines-interim-role/

No replacement for Mooney for the time being. He knows he was going to face a mountain of resistance and can't be arsed.

Think the whole thing should just be torn down at this stage and started from scratch. The current members have no interest in chaging anything.

Quote from the link:

Ultimately, it was not clear that the support for my appointment across key stakeholders was at the level required for me to succeed on delivering on the huge challenges to be faced by the Association in the coming months.

Cienciano

yabadabado wrote: »

What funding do sporting bodies get in Ireland ?
What were FAI getting compared to GAA or rugby before all was withheld?

The facilities at most LoI grounds are poor but clubs have much bigger priorities than spending on upgrading their grounds.

Many clubs are basically living week to week.

A good friend of mine is involved in a LoI side ,some of the things he has told me about the lack of resources is unbelievable.
They can barely keep the lights on or pay for basic stuff and he says they are far from a unique case.

Goodwill from creditors and a few people giving their own cash ties them over most seasons .

I knew a guy who worked in the Department of Sport dealing with grant applications, he said that the grand applications from the GAA were always perfectly done and soccer ones were comically bad.

Umaro

HalloweenJack wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2019/1202/1096454-management-crisis-at-fai-as-foley-declines-interim-role/

No replacement for Mooney for the time being. He knows he was going to face a mountain of resistance and can't be arsed.

Think the whole thing should just be torn down at this stage and started from scratch. The current members have no interest in chaging anything.

Quote from the link:

Ultimately, it was not clear that the support for my appointment across key stakeholders was at the level required for me to succeed on delivering on the huge challenges to be faced by the Association in the coming months.

Says it all really - nobody with a clean reputation would want to take this on. It's a poisoned chalice. On the verge of collapsing with debt, government funding cut off, the audited accounts are going to be jawdropping once they come out, and theres plenty of JD style chancers operating their fiefdoms within the organisation.

Also the short term success is so dependent on qualification for tournaments, something that we've been struggling at even with UEFA lowering the barrier to entry.

Mickeroo

The Good Ole Boys wrote: »

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expectationlost

so which gombeem football officials don't want an outsider as CEO?

Just An Opinion

expectationlost wrote: »

so which gombeem football officials don't want an outsider as CEO?

Those with graveyard wardrobes. This sham of an organization is on death row. Until it is completely dismantled and a total rebuild begins nobody with an ounce of credibility will touch it.

expectationlost

expectationlost wrote: »

so which gombeem football officials don't want an outsider as CEO?

Gavin Cooney

@gcooney93






Statement from Shane Ross and Brendan Griffin says that the FAI's next CEO should be 'independent of any present or past involvement in the FAI'. That may be what did for John Foley, who was elected as independent director to National League executive in 2007.

oh,i thought it was the people who renominated Conway didn't want an athletics person

more explanation in the IT https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/fai-frustration-grows-over-political-interference-in-how-association-does-its-business-1.4102473?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Dots1982

I think those that think the FAI can be dismantled and rebuilt stronger will be proved wrong.

The FAI is likely to just downsize to the level of an Albanian FA as there’s no money there for it or no substantial assets for it to use as a foothold to rebuild.

The idea that it can come back better and stronger seems to be just an idea thrown out with no explanation of how that would actually occur.

Just An Opinion

Dots1982 wrote: »

I think those that think the FAI can be dismantled and rebuilt stronger will be proved wrong.

The FAI is likely to just downsize to the level of an Albanian FA as there’s no money there for it or no substantial assets for it to use as a foothold to rebuild.

The idea that it can come back better and stronger seems to be just an idea thrown out with no explanation of how that would actually occur.

I wouldn’t be confident it can be rebuilt stronger and better at all. My point is the current cesspit needs to be dismantled simply because it’s a horrendously tainted and irreparable entity now. In fact the FAI were never a beacon of corporate integrity, but Delaney managed to take it from a wafting fart to full blown diarrhea.

Zebra3

UEFA urging the FAI to sell its’ share in Lansdowne to the IRFU.

osarusan

Doesn't sole ownership revert back to the IRFU at some point in the future anyway?

Dots1982

osarusan wrote: »

Doesn't sole ownership revert back to the IRFU at some point in the future anyway?

Well yeah, 40 or so years from now when it’s in need of being redeveloped anyway.

In the meantime they’ll sell their share of naming rights and events like concerts for the future.

It would be a strategy of long term pain for short term survival.

osarusan

I would think the IRFU would be in no hurry to buy it, or willing to spend a lot on it, but might be wrong.

Although of course, the FAI are in a terrible position in terms of negotiations over price.

check_six

Maybe someone can explain this a bit better to me, but as I understood it, the IRFU owns the stadium and the FAI is paying them a whole heap of money to lease it. Now, instead of the FAI paying the IRFU loads of money for the use of the stadium, they want the IRFU to pay the FAI that pile of money instead to get them out of a hole?

Is that the plan? They want the IRFU to pay them effectively double what they were paying to them for the use of the stadium? (Taking into account the loss of revenue and the extra cost).

Have I got that right??

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

The FAI should be disbanded completely and started afresh with a proper constitution/mission statement.

They have never gotten anything done anyway. They only existed to pay the board members.

- They don't even own the Aviva.
- They couldn't afford the full pay of the manager.
- We rely on England to scout and develop Irish football talent.
- The Irish League gets no help from them. That's where the rest of Irish football talent is developed.
- The government gives grant's and funding to underage and womens football.

The FAI can be burnt to the ground and football would continue on as it is. Maybe even things would go better with no football association, because I don't think it could be any worse.

Zebra3

check_six wrote: »

Maybe someone can explain this a bit better to me, but as I understood it, the IRFU owns the stadium and the FAI is paying them a whole heap of money to lease it. Now, instead of the FAI paying the IRFU loads of money for the use of the stadium, they want the IRFU to pay the FAI that pile of money instead to get them out of a hole?

Is that the plan? They want the IRFU to pay them effectively double what they were paying to them for the use of the stadium? (Taking into account the loss of revenue and the extra cost).

Have I got that right??

The IRFU own the land the stadium is built on.

When the new stadium opened, ownership was shared 50/50 with full ownership reverting to the IRFU after 60 years.

Similar thing happened in Munich when 1860 went into financial trouble, Bayern took over full ownership of the Allianz Arena.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

check_six wrote: »

Maybe someone can explain this a bit better to me, but as I understood it, the IRFU owns the stadium and the FAI is paying them a whole heap of money to lease it. Now, instead of the FAI paying the IRFU loads of money for the use of the stadium, they want the IRFU to pay the FAI that pile of money instead to get them out of a hole?

Is that the plan? They want the IRFU to pay them effectively double what they were paying to them for the use of the stadium? (Taking into account the loss of revenue and the extra cost).

Have I got that right??

The IRFU and the FAI went splits on paying for the redevelopment of Lansdowne Road. They cut a deal then where the FAI would co own the Aviva for X number of years. Then full ownership would revert back to the IRFU.

It was a deal with only upside for the IRFU and only downside for the FAI.

Thanks JD.

Dots1982

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

The FAI should be disbanded completely and started afresh with a proper constitution/mission statement.

They have never gotten anything done anyway. They only existed to pay the board members.

- They don't even own the Aviva.
- They couldn't afford the full pay of the manager.
- We rely on England to scout and develop Irish football talent.
- The Irish League gets no help from them. That's where the rest of Irish football talent is developed.
- The government gives grant's and funding to underage and womens football.

The FAI can be burnt to the ground and football would continue on as it is. Maybe even things would go better with no football association, because I don't think it could be any worse.

Well we’d cease to be a member of FIFA and UEFA with no football association so we can look forward to wins over The Isle of Man and draws with the Basque region.

Fr Tod Umptious

Dots1982 wrote: »

I think those that think the FAI can be dismantled and rebuilt stronger will be proved wrong.

The FAI is likely to just downsize to the level of an Albanian FA as there’s no money there for it or no substantial assets for it to use as a foothold to rebuild.

The idea that it can come back better and stronger seems to be just an idea thrown out with no explanation of how that would actually occur.

I've said it before here or some other thread.

The FAI just don't have the depth of revenue generation in this country that the other two major associations have.

The GAA has very deep roots locally. Supporters spend money on going to games, club and county merchandise, local and national fundraising. Plus it's amateur so there are no player contracts.

The IRFU traditionally have affluent supporters and benefactors.
They can and they do charge higher prices for tickets to international games than the FAI regardless of how good or bad the team is going.
Plus the fee paying schools with all their resources provide the academys for future international players.

But the FAI are stuck.
They don't have the local network of the GAA not the money of the IRFU.
And the majority of money spent by soccer supporters in Ireland goes to British club merchandise, British club tickets, and British TV company subscriptions.

So a complete rebuild FAI will be a very lean entity.

jack presley

Dots1982 wrote: »

Well we’d cease to be a member of FIFA and UEFA with no football association so we can look forward to wins over The Isle of Man and draws with the Basque region.

1-0 wins of course.

Awesomeness

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I've said it before here or some other thread.

The FAI just don't have the depth of revenue generation in this country that the other two major associations have.

The GAA has very deep roots locally. Supporters spend money on going to games, club and county merchandise, local and national fundraising. Plus it's amateur so there are no player contracts.

The IRFU traditionally have affluent supporters and benefactors.
They can and they do charge higher prices for tickets to international games than the FAI regardless of how good or bad the team is going.
Plus the fee paying schools with all their resources provide the academys for future international players.

But the FAI are stuck.
They don't have the local network of the GAA not the money of the IRFU.
And the majority of money spent by soccer supporters in Ireland goes to British club merchandise, British club tickets, and British TV company subscriptions.

So a complete rebuild FAI will be a very lean entity.

Would have a bit more if they were not paying delaneys rent, expenses and money to his misses.

Or 500 grand to somebody for coming up with the idea of a walk

Irishmale0399

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2019/1203/1096675-frustrated-shane-ross-wants-complete-cleanout-at-fai/

Ross keeping the pressure on....

Dots1982

If you get a complete regime change at the FAI all those people will require a severance package and pensions still paid into.

If you go about hiring new staff all those people will need to be identified, interviewed, vetted, recruited. That’s expensive.

If you change the name of the FAI and rebrand it that will also cost a stack of money.

Someone said this situation would lead to a leaner FAI. I think it’s more likely it leads to an anorexic organisation on life support. The FAI Was never really a bloated Organisation. It has around the same amount of development officers in the entire country that the GAA has in just Dublin.

I saw a journo said the FAI need to rebrand like swimming ireland or the Olympic body in Ireland. Having a toxic brand like those two associations did is one thing. Having a toxic brand for an association that is insolvent without drawing down early money from UEFA is quite another.

I really don’t think many are grasping the extent of the crisis the FAI are facing here. It could take 20 years for soccer to recover in Ireland.

HalloweenJack

So "doing it will be expensive so let's just not do it"? Am I getting that right? We just accept the chancers that we have in place because it'll cost money to do otherwise.

It could take 20 years for soccer to recover in Ireland.

Do you believe football is thriving at the moment?

Zebra3

AFAIK, board members of the FAI aren't employees. Therefore no severance packages needed.

Most are out of touch men beyond middle age there for the freebies and the access.

Hanging in for dear life so they don't miss out on the Great Gravy Train of 2020.

Dots1982

HalloweenJack wrote: »

So "doing it will be expensive so let's just not do it"? Am I getting that right? We just accept the chancers that we have in place because it'll cost money to do otherwise.

Do you believe football is thriving at the moment?

Do you think they have money to do it?

HalloweenJack

Dots1982 wrote: »

Do you think they have money to do it?

They'll be saving JD's salary, the rent for his gaff plus his expenses account for one. That's already a decent amount.

Who knows how much money there really is available seeing as they appear to have been fiddling the accounts for some time.

If we qualify for the Euros, there will be a large amount to come in but I'd rather changes were made before that happens (if it happens) as I have no doubt whatsoever the current shower will just hold onto it for themselves.

By the way...

Do you believe football is thriving at the moment?

Dots1982

HalloweenJack wrote: »

They'll be saving JD's salary, the rent for his gaff plus his expenses account for one. That's already a decent amount.

Who knows how much money there really is available seeing as they appear to have been fiddling the accounts for some time.

If we qualify for the Euros, there will be a large amount to come in but I'd rather changes were made before that happens (if it happens) as I have no doubt whatsoever the current shower will just hold onto it for themselves.

By the way...

I’d have a read of this to familiarize yourself with how large the debt bomb the FAI is facing.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/delay-in-signing-off-fai-accounts-as-debt-set-to-surge-above-50million-38716317.html

Football isn’t thriving in Ireland. It never has. It probably never will. The reasons for that are ingrained in the social fabric of the country for the past 100 years.

u140acro3xs7dm

Paul Cooke has now taken the job - total farce.

BDI

Jad Small Birdseed wrote: »

Paul Cooke has now taken the job - total farce.

I’m not too up to date on the board members. Is he just another one of the lads from John Delaneys local?