I wan't to quit my job, because my boss is a p***k.

Deviso

I'm a developer in a small company. My boss can be a prick.

He's condescending, thinks he's smarter than everyone, and questions every else's opinion. I don't get paid well (below minimum wage), yet I get pressured to deliver results. Out of principal, I take my time on projects. If he's prepared to pay peanuts, he's getting a monkey :pac:

Seriously though, they're expecting me to deliver on important projects, but not paying me an appropriate wage.

I took the job, as I was a few weeks out of college, I had no money, and I was bored at home. I've never missed a day in the almost 6 months since I joined. That's just me, I never missed a day of college.

I want to quit, not because I'm work-shy, lazy, or hate my job, I hate working for this company. I could easily increase my salary by 50%, and in hindsight, I never should have taken this job. I'm seriously considering quitting after Christmas, and so is a colleague. This would leave the company with 3 developers instead of 5.

I'm planning an exit within the next 6 months regardless. I'm upskilling to a higher paying, more corporate technology stack.

Is this a good idea, or should I just stick it out.

Needles73

You say you are paid below minimum wage...leave.

TheIronyMaiden

Good God no. Why on earth would you stay? Know your worth. Start looking for jobs right now and get out asap.

Avatar MIA

And the winner for posting the no brainer question of the year goes to...

DesperateDan

You should make sure you have another job confirmed before leaving. You are at a distinct advantage job searching in that you have the luxury of negotiating a higher salary if you have the skills because you can afford a place to say "no thankyou that's too high"

maxwell smart

As your just out of college perhaps this is your first 'proper' job.
Remember a few things:
1. You don't owe your current employer anything. Be sure that if they wanted to get rid of you you'd be gone.
2. Don't underestimate your own value - if your prepared to work for nothing you'll always be busy.
3. You didn't go to college to do this crap underpaid job.

Value yourself, get a new job and get out.

Gloomtastic!

The stats speak for themselves. 70% of people leave their jobs because of their boss.

mugsymugsy

Line up another job and then get the hell out of there.

Much better to an a future employer to show you are currently working rather than explaining why you left your previous place.

Best of luck

dhaughton99

You’re a software developer yet paid below minimum wage?

Sir Oxman

maxwell smart wrote: »

As your just out of college perhaps this is your first 'proper' job.
Remember a few things:
1. You don't owe your current employer anything. Be sure that if they wanted to get rid of you you'd be gone.
2. Don't underestimate your own value - if your prepared to work for nothing you'll always be busy.
3. You didn't go to college to do this crap underpaid job.

Value yourself, get a new job and get out.

BIB.
This.
Been there, done it.

henryforde80

You've your foot in the door straight out of college, Congrats.

My piece of advice would be on leaving is that it is easier to get a job when you have one.

1. Do up an up to date C.V. .As soon as it's done get someone to proof read it that works in the software industry.
2. Don't leave your current job as of yet. Just stick it out.
3. Start sending out C.Vs and do a good cover letter with each application. Maybe start doing three a day and and in this way you will register with recruiters as well.
4. When you get your new job hand in your notice and leave on good terms. You owe this company nothing

OMM 0000

I don't understand the purpose of this post.

You are unhappy, you are being paid a terrible wage, and you can walk into a new job.

You sound like a difficult employee (e.g. "on principal" working slowly as a **** you to your employer). I think you need to mature up or you're just going to have problems in every company.

cordy1969

You have been there 6 months, wow someone should see your potential and immediately offer you the MD role. How dare they expect someone to do a job they are paid for.

You are underpaid because of your attitude pure and simple. Show initiative and get off your arse deliver projects ahead of schedule and then maybe you can start to see the rewards of effort.

Dr.Sanchez

cordy1969 wrote: »

You are underpaid because of your attitude pure and simple.

Show me where it says you can pay below minimum wage because of attitude?

cordy1969

Dr.Sanchez wrote: »

Show me where it says you can pay below minimum wage because of attitude?

Its a company, so rest assured it wouldn't be below regulated min wage. Its below his idea of a min wage. He accepted the job and knew what they were paying. Now after 6 months he wants the world to bend over and give everything to him.

Good luck with his attitude, as he says he wants to move into the corporate world. I doubt whether he would even pass a corporate aptitude test.

cordy1969

What do you think is below min wage. Whats your hourly rate currently?

BrokenArrows

I severely doubt the OP is below minimum wage and no developer (unless highly paid contractor) gets paid hourly. Hes probably putting in a bunch of unpaid hours to try and meet managements expectations.

In the software development world there are things you are going to have to realise.

1. You will ALWAYS be pressured for results.
2. Management ALWAYS want things done ASAP.
3. YOU are the person who needs to draw the line and restrict the hours you work. Management will not stop you working 24 hours a day. I have an endless supply of development tasks and i could work 24 hours a day for years and never be finished.
4. Do a full days work at the best of your ability and in rare situations when really required its normal to put in a few extra hours. Or if you **** something up its normal to spend a few extra hours fixing it.
5. ALWAYS be on the lookout for better opportunities but dont expect to be treated any better in the new place even if you are paid better.

Berserker

Morning OP. Can you give us some example of where you boss is being a pr1ck?

dhaughton99 wrote: »

You’re a software developer yet paid below minimum wage?

Would be unusual in the industry. Silly move on behalf of the company unless they are a two-bit outfit. Might be the case that the OP is working extra hours to try and meet their (unrealistic) expectations.

OMM 0000 wrote: »

You are unhappy, you are being paid a terrible wage, and you can walk into a new job.

He's a recent graduate with very little experience. Might be difficult to find a new job at this time of year. Experience is king in software development.

OMM 0000 wrote: »

You sound like a difficult employee (e.g. "on principal" working slowly as a **** you to your employer). I think you need to mature up or you're just going to have problems in every company.

I've worked in software development for well over a decade at all levels. The OP is a tad naive and probably needs to learn to draw the line. Management will always want everything done yesterday. As a lead developer, I would ask what his senior dev/s are doing. They should be giving him guidance on these matters. I've told junior devs to log out and made them walk out the door with me before when PMs were trying to ride them workwise.

Deviso

I'll reply to these responses later. Just to clarify, I make 9.37 an hour. That's for a 40 hour work week. Doesn't include extra time from arriving early, working later. Probably works out at around 45 hours most weeks.

Deviso

cordy1969 wrote: »

Its a company, so rest assured it wouldn't be below regulated min wage. Its below his idea of a min wage. He accepted the job and knew what they were paying. Now after 6 months he wants the world to bend over and give everything to him.

Good luck with his attitude, as he says he wants to move into the corporate world. I doubt whether he would even pass a corporate aptitude test.

Is it to much to ask that I receive a fair wage, for a fair days work?

henryforde80

Deviso wrote: »

Is it to much to ask that I receive a fair wage, for a fair days work?

As advised, start sending out C.V's. If you don't like a place move on.

A lot of people move roles quickly enough out of college to get more wages.

You owe them nothing and they don't owe you anything, have you started applying for new roles??

cordy1969

Deviso wrote: »

I'll reply to these responses later. Just to clarify, I make 9.37 an hour. That's for a 40 hour work week. Doesn't include extra time from arriving early, working later. Probably works out at around 45 hours most weeks.

Is this your first employment and if you so hopefully you are aware you are being paid over above minimum wage.
As an over 18 yr old and in 1st time employment you are only entitled to 80% of min wage for the first year and 90% for the second year.

9.55 min wage
7.64 first year of employment
8.60 second year of employment

cordy1969

Mr.S wrote: »

He's getting paid a **** salary because some companies know full well they can offer a below average salary to new graduates and someone will accept it out of desperation / lack of experience.

Now after six month he realised the grass is greener on the outside. I don't see the issue tbh.

Whatever way you spin in, any employer paying a graduate developer 9.37 ph is a joke.



Seriously!? OP is not 18 working in a shop.

He knew what was being offered and accepted the job. The OP made the claim he is being paid under minimum wage. Which he is clearly not being paid under min wage but actually being paid above min wage.
He has only been there 6 months and is deliberately working slow on projects because he doesn't think he is paid enough. Not a great way to install confidence in an employee now is it.

Do I think 9.37 is a joke yes but its hardly under min wage now is it. Which was the OP's gripe in the original post.

diceyriley

DesperateDan wrote:

You should make sure you have another job confirmed before leaving. You are at a distinct advantage job searching in that you have the luxury of negotiating a higher salary if you have the skills because you can afford a place to say "no thankyou that's too high"

If its causing you stress i guess first you should see if you can sort that out. But if you cant then just quit. And do it with joy. You will get back on your feet but putting yourelf through misary on a daily basis isnt worth it

henryforde80

diceyriley wrote: »

If its causing you stress i guess first you should see if you can sort that out. But if you cant then just quit. And do it with joy. You will get back on your feet but putting yourelf through misary on a daily basis isnt worth it

Do not quit until you have something else lined up! Bad advice

cordy1969

Mr.S wrote: »

It's an extremely common scenario for graduates, who are obviously under pressure / time to get that first job. I'd say most will accept just about anything related to their degree if they have no financial help. If this is his first job, he's hardly experienced in contract negotiation.

Sure, his comment about taking his time on projects is a little tongue in cheek, but tbh if the employer shows no respect with regards pay, it's hardly going to motivate a young employee is it?

If this is his first paying job, then yes it's not below minimum wage, but we all know the standard minimum wage is 9.55ph. For a developer role. In Ireland!

Possibly so, but he is getting industry experience and a wage. Welcome to the real world. Respect and income are earned through good work ethic, dedication and ability.
And the employer is showing respect by paying at least 15% above what they need to.

goldenhoarde

It works out at 9.55 for a 39 hour week so depends on what's in your contract. It's a terrible wage, I was on the equivalent of that 20+ years ago as a co-op on placement when that wage was actually reasonable (for a student that is)

Lots of places do 37.5 hrs weeks up to the traditional 40 hour week


As per other posters put the head down, deliver more but not doing more than the 40 hours

This game is full of people like your boss don't be like him, let your work do the talking.

Reach out to the most approachable dev and ask for some pointers re your career path

Make sure the stack is a good one with opportunities outside your current company and not one that will tie you in .

Loose the attitude as your posts are showing you in a bit of a bad light not the worse I've come across in 20+ years

cordy1969

Mr.S wrote: »

I also believe in employers paying staff a fair, decent wage, which this employer is clearly not.

Are you saying a piss poor wage is justified because he's getting experience? Nonsense.

He should be on €28k+.

We will always agree to disagree, as an employer I would never pay a clean skin anymore than min wage for at least the first 6 months until I had a grasp on their ability and fit to the company.

henryforde80

cordy1969 wrote: »

We will always agree to disagree, as an employer I would never pay a clean skin anymore than min wage for at least the first 6 months until I had a grasp on their ability and fit to the company.

Do you work in I.T?

cordy1969

henryforde80 wrote: »

Do you work in I.T?

I work in a large corporation with multiple departments and yes I.T is part of the corporation. Is there a point to your question.

henryforde80

cordy1969 wrote: »

I work in a large corporation with multiple departments and yes I.T is part of the corporation. Is there a point to your question.

Yep, do you really think you can get talented people starting out at minimum wage? Even Level 1 support roles start out at least 23k.

Also did you just not move to Ireland in the last five months. Funny how you know the market so well.

cordy1969

henryforde80 wrote: »

Yep, do you really think you can get talented people starting out at minimum wage? Even Level 1 support roles start out at least 23k.

If they are talented then they will be rewarded when they have proved how much of an asset they will become to the company. This of course is all explained in the initial interview process. Rewards come with sacrifice and ability not on what is popular.

henryforde80

cordy1969 wrote: »

If they are talented then they will be rewarded when they have proved how much of an asset they will become to the company. This of course is all explained in the initial interview process. Rewards come with sacrifice and ability not on what is popular.

Okay.

cordy1969

henryforde80 wrote: »

Yep, do you really think you can get talented people starting out at minimum wage? Even Level 1 support roles start out at least 23k.

Also did you just not move to Ireland in the last five months. Funny how you know the market so well.

And yes I just moved to Ireland in July. Yes I was transferred to head up European operations and to sort of the mess. I have managed companies in all parts of the world. Im glad to see that at least you have the ability to look at a profile and make an assumption based on a previous threads though.

In addition to posting here and reading a lot of threads in gives me an insight into the local way of thinking and the public perception of certain aspects. Although I must say I'm glad that the majority of posters in AH don't represent a true Ireland.

henryforde80

cordy1969 wrote: »

And yes I just moved to Ireland in July. Yes I was transferred to head up European operations and to sort of the mess. I have managed companies in all parts of the world. Im glad to see that at least you have the ability to look at a profile and make an assumption based on a previous threads though.

Okay, sounds amazing, tell me more.

Dr.Sanchez

cordy1969 wrote: »

I work in a large corporation with multiple departments and yes I.T is part of the corporation. Is there a point to your question.

He means proper IT like software development. Not IT like in the IT Crowd which is prob the case in your large corporation.

s7ryf3925pivug

Get another job first.

Didn't know people were paying developers **** these days. Very much an employees' market. I'm a senior dev, but companies struggle to find enough suitable staff at any level from what I see.

Practice doing whiteboard style problems and hackerrank. Presumably you don't have other experience so jobs that give you a chance to demonstrate some sort of skill might be more likely to look past that.

They are ripping the piss from the sound of it. Do leave but do it on your own terms. Walking out with nothing lined up would be a very bad idea.

cordy1969

henryforde80 wrote: »

Okay, sounds amazing, tell me more.

Yes I got to where I am in life for being stupid.

Dr.Sanchez wrote: »

He means proper IT like software development. Not IT like in the IT Crowd which is prob the case in your large corporation.

Thanks Dr ill have a word to the devs tomorrow to tell them that Dr Sanchez said they weren't real devs.

Dr.Sanchez

cordy1969 wrote: »

And yes I just moved to Ireland in July. Yes I was transferred to head up European operations and to sort of the mess. I have managed companies in all parts of the world. Im glad to see that at least you have the ability to look at a profile and make an assumption based on a previous threads though.

In addition to posting here and reading a lot of threads in gives me an insight into the local way of thinking and the public perception of certain aspects. Although I must say I'm glad that the majority of posters in AH don't represent a true Ireland.

Booooooooring.


.... and now your here to manage this thread, is it?

henryforde80

Dr.Sanchez wrote: »

Booooooooring.


.... and now your here to manage this thread, is it?

I think he want's all people to be happy to get minimum wage out of college or some nonsense like that.

cordy1969

Dr.Sanchez wrote: »

Booooooooring.


.... and now your here to manage this thread, is it?

I answered the original OP's question. I called BS when he claimed to be paid under min wage. Since then I have been answering your questions and others. But valid point I will leave the thread to the experts then.

Dr.Sanchez

henryforde80 wrote: »

I think he want's all people to be happy to get minimum wage out of college or some nonsense like that.

Yah I watched a documentary on Kim Jong-il last night. Similar kinda story! Lol

henryforde80

cordy1969 wrote: »

I answered the original OP's question. I called BS when he claimed to be paid under min wage. Since then I have been answering your questions and others. But valid point I will leave the thread to the experts then.

Thanks I am the expert of everything

Cyrus

Deviso wrote: »

I've never missed a day in the almost 6 months since I joined. That's just me, I never missed a day of college.

Nor should you that isn’t something to congratulate yourself on

Berserker

Deviso wrote: »

I'll reply to these responses later. Just to clarify, I make 9.37 an hour. That's for a 40 hour work week. Doesn't include extra time from arriving early, working later. Probably works out at around 45 hours most weeks.

Do you have any senior devs working with you? Are you getting any training? Is your code being reviewed?

That is a woeful wage for a graduate dev. In agreement with others, start looking for something new. I'm a lead dev and I'll advise you to take your time and get the right role for you. You are going to get asked why you are moving after six months when you attend interviews. Think of a proper professional reason. My boss was a pr1ck, is not going to be good enough.

Saint_Mel

Deviso wrote: »

Is it to much to ask that I receive a fair wage, for a fair days work?

Is it really a fair days work if you are working slow on purpose in some attempt to stick it to the man?

If you worked at a regular pace, would you have to put in the extra unpaid hours?

Keyzer

Mr.S wrote: »

If you aren't happy, and underpaid then just look for another job.

Don't quit before you have a new job lined up. You've no idea how long it will take to get into a new job if you just quit. (Hiring process can be months depending on certain companies). You'll just put yourself under lots of pressure as everyday unemployed is against the clock, which is not something you want when job searching.

Head down, continue to work there and look for alternative jobs.

Read this, again and again.

Berserker

cordy1969 wrote: »

If they are talented then they will be rewarded when they have proved how much of an asset they will become to the company. This of course is all explained in the initial interview process. Rewards come with sacrifice and ability not on what is popular.

Graduates in IT in Ireland are paid more than the minimum wage. Secondly, the salary on offer for a particular role or profession is tied to the level of demand.