UFO, or the Russians?

maccored

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/close-encounter-with-ufo-off-irish-coast-leaves-pilots-wondering-884774.html

Interesting article about a UFO sighting last Friday. Apparently didnt show on radar. First thought was some form of drone, but its at the ceiling for military drone height. Maybe the russians or some military somewhere are testing something new?

Ziycon

It's an interesting one, I listened to the ATC chatter and it seems that multiple sightings were of a light that accelerated at speed from the withnesses left to right, one of the aircraft reported multiple lights and not just a singular one that the other pilots reported.

maccored

yeah, i was listening to that as well. too high for military drones (Preditors max out at 25,000ft) and natural light doesnt zoom off in a different direction

4068ac1elhodqr

Strange there isn't a better description other than 'two bright lights', assuming it came alongside their plane.
Was there not a mention of hue/colour/shape, or was it simple non-flashing white lights, in uniform pattern.

But interesting mention of bank right and climb at speed (Mach2 is 1534.54 mph in old money)

Wasn't there mention of red light aound Shannon area last month?
https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/1418450360/2013/04/1418450360_2318626708001_UFO-s-flying-in-formation-over-Cork--Ireland.mp4

Saw a red light(s) behaving strangely, but over on the East coast, few miles offshore about 2mths ago.

Ziycon

Mekhi Sticky Plastic wrote: »

Strange there isn't a better description other than 'two bright lights', assuming it came alongside their plane.
Was there not a mention of hue/colour/shape, or was it simple non-flashing white lights, in uniform pattern.

But interesting mention of bank right and climb at speed (Mach2 is 1534.54 mph in old money)

Wasn't there mention of red light aound Shannon area last month?
https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/1418450360/2013/04/1418450360_2318626708001_UFO-s-flying-in-formation-over-Cork--Ireland.mp4

Saw a red light(s) behaving strangely, but over on the East coast, few miles offshore about 2mths ago.

There was a report of odd lights over Kerry last month or two the night there was a power outage, henace my previous post in this board but haven't gotten much more on it since then.

Gatling

maccored wrote: »

yeah, i was listening to that as well. too high for military drones (Preditors max out at 25,000ft) and natural light doesnt zoom off in a different direction

Predator are only one type of drones the US and others have low observable UAV or UCAVs that can fly above and beyond predator in ceiling and speeds

BIGT4464

Russians

youtube!

BIGT4464 wrote: »

Russians

Meteorite is the official explanation

Reati

youtube! wrote: »

Meteorite is the official explanation

Meteorite is the logical explanation.

I can't imagine advanced alien life has nothing better to though than troll aircraft off the coast of Kerry. Esp when they could be enslaving us instead.

prinzeugen

If it was going at mach 2 I am amazed nobody of the ground heard the sonic boom.

There is no way it was the Russians. They don't have the capability.

Cork Boy 53

Klingons on the starboard bow I would think.

OwlsZat

Hopefully we have a journalist decent enough to follow up with the multiple pilots and get the eye witness accounts. Then compare them against the theories.

maccored

i'd go with the meteor theory if they would come out and explain how it could shoot off in a different direction in mid air. I have no idea about meteorites so if they can do it, I'd love to know more. I'd say the pilots saw something and thats its military testing.

Does science say aliens cant exist? I dont think it does. highly unlikely they'd be buzzing around aeroplanes all the same ... not unless they'd been reading douglas adams .. but highly unlikely doesnt mean life cant exist elsewhere.

Reati

maccored wrote: »

i'd go with the meteor theory if they would come out and explain how it could shoot off in a different direction in mid air. I have no idea about meteorites so if they can do it, I'd love to know more. I'd say the pilots saw something and thats its military testing.

Does science say aliens cant exist? I dont think it does. highly unlikely they'd be buzzing around aeroplanes all the same ... not unless they'd been reading douglas adams .. but highly unlikely doesnt mean life cant exist elsewhere.

Science argues that in all probability alien life does exist. The universe is too big to just be us. All those aircraft were in different places some heading east, others west. We only have thier eyes and a voice recording to go on. Its hard to know what they seen but again, the US wouldn't test military gear off the coast of Ireland. Not out of respect but practically. If it crashes its lost in the ocean and they can't figure it! West to east US is the same run length as the Atlantic so they even have the distance required!

Peatys

youtube! wrote: »

Meteorite is the official explanation

A Russian meteorite

Peatys

Reati wrote: »

Science argues that in all probability alien life does exist. The universe is too big to just be us.

Aliens probably drive by, lock their doors and speed away.

Earth, the ghetto of the galaxy.

maccored

Reati wrote: »

Science argues that in all probability alien life does exist. The universe is too big to just be us. All those aircraft were in different places some heading east, others west. We only have thier eyes and a voice recording to go on. Its hard to know what they seen but again, the US wouldn't test military gear off the coast of Ireland. Not out of respect but practically. If it crashes its lost in the ocean and they can't figure it! West to east US is the same run length as the Atlantic so they even have the distance required!

Lots of UFO reports in ireland and britain in the late 80s. ended up being the stealth bomber being tested by the americans

Reati

maccored wrote: »

Lots of UFO reports in ireland and britain in the late 80s. ended up being the stealth bomber being tested by the americans

lol fair enough. I stand corrected! Must not have been very stealthy though if people were seeing it

maccored

Reati wrote: »

lol fair enough. I stand corrected! Must not have been very stealthy though if people were seeing it

people were seeing black triangles in the sky

rider66

Reati wrote: »

Meteorite is the logical explanation.

I can't imagine advanced alien life has nothing better to though than troll aircraft off the coast of Kerry. Esp when they could be enslaving us instead.

Meteor is the probable explanation. The shape of a rock will affect its trajectory under certain conditions. Why choose a certain shape stone to skip it through water? The fluid dynamics of the interacting layers in our atmosphere, especially disturbed by aircraft, and over coastline... well, they're beyond me, but it is very complex.

I could easily accept this sighting to be caused by natural phenomena.

But I can't help but wonder...why assume that non-terrestrial life would be cruel, even if humanity is considerably less advanced. I also can't help but wonder why we assume that extraterrestrial visitors are interested in humanity. Just a thought.

rider66

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Klingons on the starboard bow I would think.

You've started an earworm...!

maccored

rider66 wrote: »

Meteor is the probable explanation. The shape of a rock will affect its trajectory under certain conditions. Why choose a certain shape stone to skip it through water? The fluid dynamics of the interacting layers in our atmosphere, especially disturbed by aircraft, and over coastline... well, they're beyond me, but it is very complex.

I could easily accept this sighting to be caused by natural phenomena.

But I can't help but wonder...why assume that non-terrestrial life would be cruel, even if humanity is considerably less advanced. I also can't help but wonder why we assume that extraterrestrial visitors are interested in humanity. Just a thought.

they'd be more interested in the natural resources of the earth than humanity, if they were to appear

bullpost

maccored wrote: »

they'd be more interested in the natural resources of the earth than humanity, if they were to appear

Unless we are one of their petri dishes

rider66

Peatys wrote: »

Aliens probably drive by, lock their doors and speed away.

Earth, the ghetto of the galaxy.

Aww, we aren't ALL that bad. The ones in top governments, yes. Some might make great pets.

rider66

maccored wrote: »

they'd be more interested in the natural resources of the earth than humanity, if they were to appear

I'd really hope that humanity, and the plethora of life on this 'pale blue dot', offers enough hope to gain the interest of the curious, and kind sort of ET. But considering our history, humans have had a very troubled childhood! I'm not even sure we've made it to adolescence yet!

4068ac1elhodqr

Someone caught the recent sighting up on the north coast (Coleraine, circa 4-500km away), on their dashcam just 3mins before it was seen by the pilots at the other end of the country.

Either they were moving very fast, shifted altitude (or both).

The one thing the little green/grey men seem interesed in is cows (mutilation and dna testing).
Afterall with 4 stomachs and the ability to turn grass to milk, might be useful for a genesis project.

OwlsZat

If it was naturally occurring why didn't the naturally occurring object appear on Radar? Also if it was going 2X mach speed. Why wasn't there a sonic boom?

Inviere

Have to laugh at people, "the Russians"...it's like 1960 all over again. Propaganda alive and well in the 21st century it seems, someone forgot to change the record though

"The BA pilot, flying from Montreal to Heathrow, describes how the UFO came up along the left-hand side of the aircraft, “then rapidly veered to the north”." - Source

"“two bright lights that seemed to bank over to the right and climb away at speed at least from our perspective.” - Source

Hell of a meteor to change direction mid flight. Not saying it wasn't one, but some of the accounts don't quite tally up with what you'd expect from a meteor vector. These are trained, professional pilots...not two people coming out of a Bingo hall on a Saturday night looking up at the sky. My guess would be if not a meteor, then some kind of black budget classified stealth craft.

Military craft for me unmanned, just like the stealth crafts of the early 80's this is probably the next generation.

OwlsZat

OwlsZat wrote: »

If it was naturally occurring why didn't the naturally occurring object appear on Radar? Also if it was going 2X mach speed. Why wasn't there a sonic boom?

Genuine questions :

If it was small and fast enough is there the possibility it would not be picked up by radar?

Who says there wasn't a sonic boom further out to sea, ie unheard?

Could it have bounced off an air pocket like a stone being skimmed off a wave?

Inviere

Deleted User wrote: »

Could it have bounced off an air pocket like a stone being skimmed off a wave?

I don't think anything travelling at Mach 2 is going to bounce off of an air pocket to be fair.

Reati

Mekhi Sticky Plastic wrote: »

Someone caught the recent sighting up on the north coast (Coleraine, circa 4-500km away), on their dashcam just 3mins before it was seen by the pilots at the other end of the country.

Either they were moving very fast, shifted altitude (or both).

The one thing the little green/grey men seem interesed in is cows (mutilation and dna testing).
Afterall with 4 stomachs and the ability to turn grass to milk, might be useful for a genesis project.

Where is that video online?

4068ac1elhodqr

Reati wrote: »

Where is that video online?

https://inews.co.uk/video/ufo-video-northern-ireland-irish-sea-sightings-investigation/

https://www.colerainetimes.co.uk/news/offbeat/u-f-o-spotted-over-northern-ireland-1-8704462

else, googlebot it (dash-cam + Coleraine + Sandy Laverty.

It shows two bright objects almost in seperation. Having seen a large meteor breakup in the sky before, this looks somewhat different.

edit:

maccored

Inviere wrote: »

Have to laugh at people, "the Russians"...it's like 1960 all over again. Propaganda alive and well in the 21st century it seems, someone forgot to change the record though

"The BA pilot, flying from Montreal to Heathrow, describes how the UFO came up along the left-hand side of the aircraft, “then rapidly veered to the north”." - Source

"“two bright lights that seemed to bank over to the right and climb away at speed at least from our perspective.” - Source

Hell of a meteor to change direction mid flight. Not saying it wasn't one, but some of the accounts don't quite tally up with what you'd expect from a meteor vector. These are trained, professional pilots...not two people coming out of a Bingo hall on a Saturday night looking up at the sky. My guess would be if not a meteor, then some kind of black budget classified stealth craft.

the russians arent anything to laugh at - they've recently been chased by the brits for flying over the irish sea - https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/irish-politician-angry-raf-not-informed-ireland-typhoons-intercepted-russian-bombers-off-coast/

rider66

maccored wrote: »

the russians arent anything to laugh at - they've recently been chased by the brits for flying over the irish sea - https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/irish-politician-angry-raf-not-informed-ireland-typhoons-intercepted-russian-bombers-off-coast/

No, the Russians are definitely not a joke. Look what they've done to the US, without even firing a shot!

That article was interesting, but just showed they stupidity of some politicians. I think he did that just to get his name in print.

Small 'meteors' could very well be nanotechnology probes from our own planet. It is something that NASA has been working on; much cheaper, and safer than sending humans.

Inviere

maccored wrote: »

the russians arent anything to laugh at - they've recently been chased by the brits for flying over the iirish sea - https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/irish-politician-angry-raf-not-informed-ireland-typhoons-intercepted-russian-bombers-off-coast/

I certainly wouldn’t laugh at the Russians, they’re no angels. I feel there much worse out there though, and I find it amusing how the narrative now has people looking at “the Russians” as the boogeyman once again. It’s also amusing how the US kicked up such a fuss over alleged Russian interference in their electoral process...rich coming from the kings of “regime change”, and from a country that does nothing but poke it’s nose where it’s not wanted.

Anyway, to get back on point, I’m not sure if the Russians have black technology to rival the US, I doubt they have tbh, given the size of the black budget in the US. Id say the US lead the field in aviation, and we prob can’t even imagine what classified stuff they have going on at the mo.

vicwatson

Inviere wrote: »

I don't think anything travelling at Mach 2 is going to bounce off of an air pocket to be fair.

“like Mach 2” I think is what the pilot said

Inviere

vicwatson wrote: »

“like Mach 2” I think is what the pilot said

I’d be happy enough to accept the qualified pilots informed opinion of the observed speed

Butson

At the time the Irish Aviation Authority said they were going to investigate these sightings.

Anything ever come from that?

Joe Don Dante

Russians

maccored

i say UFO (mainly to wind Joe Don Dante up)

riffmongous

If it's really a secret military plane then why do they go near places and people where it could be seen? They've got the tech to know exactly where in the sky is occupied, why not go somewhere empty

Your Face

riffmongous wrote: »

If it's really a secret military plane then why do they go near places and people where it could be seen? They've got the tech to know exactly where in the sky is occupied, why not go somewhere empty

Maybe to test the public reaction.

H3llR4iser

riffmongous wrote: »

If it's really a secret military plane then why do they go near places and people where it could be seen? They've got the tech to know exactly where in the sky is occupied, why not go somewhere empty

Most realistic answer - because they know they don't need to trouble themselves with it, as reports of sightings will either be dismissed as "lunatics seeing things" or, in the case such reports came from trained professionals (pilots in this case, other times it's been the Police), they'll enjoy 10 minutes of popularity in the media and then be forgotten as a new article about Love Island is published.



I also find the whole "Russians" angle spectacularly funny in its childishness, it's like the Western narrative is trying to enter another Cold Wars against...themselves - "Repeat with me: watch out, Russia's out to get us!".



That said, Russia DOES have stealth capability in the form of the Su-57; Its actual capabilities are not know, probably not as "stealthy" as an F-22 or an F-35, but likely more than old-gen stealth aircraft like the B2 and F-117.



What is extremely doubtful is that they'd have an Su-57 take off and perform multiple aerial refuels just to go mess around Irish airspace

AnthonyGiarrusso

I think blaming the Russians is straight propaganda. "Oh it must be the Russians", that is a propaganda saying. You are probably seeing real UFOs.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322114#Comment_121322114

the Rusiians were in irish airspace at the time.