Irish EV Owners Association (IEVOA)?

Zenith74

Hey,

Curious if anybody here knows much about the IEVOA or sits on the board or anything like that?

I see them mentioned as consulted parties in the likes of the Low Emission Vehicles Taskforce documents (September update was interesting actually - https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/energy/publications/Documents/21/LEV%20Taskforce%20Phase1%20Progress%20Report.pdf).

I "joined" when I got my EV but have never received any communications from them. Tried to join the discussion forum but looks like the Register functionality hasn't worked in quite a while.

The statistics they post on their site are quite interesting, but at a time when EV sales are finally taking off in-anger here but charging infrastructure is creaking badly, it seems like their time to shine. Would love to here more from them and get some insight into the likes of the eCars planning for next year etc.

waynegalway

Zenith74 wrote: »

Hey,

Curious if anybody here knows much about the IEVOA or sits on the board or anything like that?

I see them mentioned as consulted parties in the likes of the Low Emission Vehicles Taskforce documents (September update was interesting actually - https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/energy/publications/Documents/21/LEV%20Taskforce%20Phase1%20Progress%20Report.pdf).

I "joined" when I got my EV but have never received any communications from them. Tried to join the discussion forum but looks like the Register functionality hasn't worked in quite a while.

The statistics they post on their site are quite interesting, but at a time when EV sales are finally taking off in-anger here but charging infrastructure is creaking badly, it seems like their time to shine. Would love to here more from them and get some insight into the likes of the eCars planning for next year etc.

The website is pretty static. They do post new stuff regularly enough, but I don’t think the discussion forum functions very well. Most discussion within the membership takes place in their Facebook Page.

DrPhilG

Don't mention the war...

waynegalway

DrPhilG wrote: »

Don't mention the war...

Really? I’ve been following all things EV both here and on the IEVOA Facebook page for just over a year now. I’d love to know the history of it all. (Not to mention the other Facebook group....was there a split, or just a coincidence that 2 very similar groups sprung up at the same time?)

Mancomb Seepgood

There was a lot of drama with them in the past but I believe the worst offenders are no longer involved and things are a lot better now.I was a member for a while myself but most of the activity takes place on the Facebook group and I'm not on Facebook so didn't see the point.

I can see the need for some sort of lobby group though.

Zenith74

Mancomb Seepgood wrote: »

I can see the need for some sort of lobby group though.

The Facebook group does look to be very active, which is cool, will keep an eye on it. But really this lobby bit is what I'd love to hear more about.

They do seem to be getting a hearing, being listed in documents like this, but I'm just a curious that as a member for 6-7 months I have not heard an update on their activities. Maybe they're furiously beavering away, or maybe they've lost the will after so many years of trying, but either way now seems like a good time to re-energise it.

Maybe they'd do a Reddit style AMA here some time, given this seems to be one of the bigger Irish EV discussion forums?

Jeditraining1

What Phil said.... really don't mention the war. The idea behind the IEVOA was a great one but alas the people who were running it were not. Thankfully they are mostly gone, but as what has been seen in some posts by new admins some things live on. There was a split about 6-7 years ago, for the most part this was down to difference of opinions to how things should be run. If you want to correspond with a page stick with the original which is the IEVO. I could comment about a lot of the history but really there is no need for varying reasons.

n97 mini

As said above, most of the IEVOA's online activity is in the FB group, which is open for all to see (need to be a member of the group to post though).

There is the IEVO as well, but their FB group is closed. I don't thing they do anything aside from being a FB group.

I joined both when we got the Leaf, at which time the IEVO group had the greater following. I left that group a few months later as there are a number of head bangers on it that are seriously off putting. I believe the IEVOA is the bigger group now and in the long term I'd say the other one will fade away.

n97 mini

I should add, I'm not a paid member of any group and have no axe to grind, just a neutral observer.

stesaurus

I hate the fact that the association page is open on FB. I'm a member on both but I have zero interest in my friends or family seeing my EV charger rants etc. The group should be closed to members only.
There's a lot of weird history between the two groups. Silly stuff that adults really shouldn't be bothering with. It's only in the last year that the association site has grown bigger. Easier to find I guess.
A lobby group makes sense in theory but realistically it's a waste of time. Take 5 EV owners and you'll likely get 5 different opinions on everything from charging fees to green credentials. There's not a whole lot we all agree on that we could lobby for.

DrPhilG

n97 mini wrote: »

There is the IEVO as well, but their FB group is closed. I don't thing they do anything aside from being a FB group.

Is there a list of what the IEVOA have actually achieved? Other than being the token representative on a lot of groups and committees without have any real power or influence?

n97 mini wrote: »

I believe the IEVOA is the bigger group now and in the long term I'd say the other one will fade away.

The IEVO fb group is closed so that membership requires approval by admin. The IEVOA group on the other hand has open membership in order to boost numbers, as those numbers have been used in the past to give a falsely inflated impression of their actual size.

The former PRO of that group used to spam every EV page on the planet trying to get people to join. I read a post from someone once who saw him posting links to the IEVOA on an Israeli ev page, lol!

The IEVO page is smaller in numbers than the IEVOA, partly because new members are actually vetted and partly because they don't advertise left right and centre by spamming membership cards on chargers and under people's wipers.

It is still steadily growing though and recently launched a buy & sell page for members, which has so far given away a free home charger and a 50% discount off a full set of tyres.

DrPhilG

stesaurus wrote: »

I hate the fact that the association page is open on FB.

This also.

I'm a member of the NI EV owners page, (one of the many which was spammed so hard by the former PRO of the IEVOA that a number of members reported him to their admin).

I don't post that much there though because it's an open group and as you say, I don't like my non EV friends thinking that all I do is rant about broken chargers and ICE-ing.

ELM327

DrPhilG wrote: »

This also.

I'm a member of the NI EV owners page, (one of the many which was spammed so hard by the former PRO of the IEVOA that a number of members reported him to their admin).

I don't post that much there though because it's an open group and as you say, I don't like my non EV friends thinking that all I do is rant about broken chargers and ICE-ing.

I was one of those that reported him too.
It got very tedious having to listen to the same crap in the NIEVO page too.

Thankfully that chap seems to have stopped (or he's blocked me for taking the piss anytime he commented something positive about ecars on a broken charger report post) but either way I don't see his posting any more!

Jeditraining1

DrPhil as you know, being along time EV driver, there was a period that you will remember on IEVOA page where you could not post or have any sort of a negative opinion. Anything like that was attacked and ridiculed by a particular group. For a while this was also the case on the IEVO page by the same group of people that were also on the IEVO page. Very unfortunately this happened to be the board that was in charge. There was no conversation permitted, positive or negative; it was like being part of a political party.... toe the line or else.

I personally think it make more sense to have the page closed, it then just means that people who are interested will go looking and those who are not will not, therefore your site will have a true reflection of your numbers and not something that's artificially inflated with random likes.

Zenith74

From the sounds of it, these groups are more about EV owners communicating with each other rather than an organisation with a mandate to represent EV owners? Is that a fair assessment?

ELM327

Zenith74 wrote: »

From the sounds of it, these groups are more about EV owners communicating with each other rather than an organisation with a mandate to represent EV owners? Is that a fair assessment?

I think the aim of the "IEVOA" initially was to form a lobby group to represent EV owners, and to derive the mandate to act as such from its membership. Due to infighting it would seem that that has not happened, not 100% anyway.

As "Jedi Training" said above, it was a good idea but the implementation - or some of the heads behind the scenes - have made it not so.

Jeditraining1

Zenith74 wrote: »

From the sounds of it, these groups are more about EV owners communicating with each other rather than an organisation with a mandate to represent EV owners? Is that a fair assessment?

To an extent. I am an opponent of the IEVOA in its current form and therefore an opponent of them so in the interests of fairness I will put that out there now. I will also say it is a very regrettable situation that I find them find themselves in.

A situation developed over time within the IVEOA where they placed them self's as the body for all EV drivers, which clearly they weren't. Due to personalities and very over inflated ego's this became very in the face of people who wanted to engage in conversation and who did not want the fore mentioned standing for them. Instances came up where the IEVOA placed themselves at meetings and other events proclaiming influence and parading it afterwards as if they had made progress. In actual fact it was actually causing more damage than good.

It is a real shame, I do say that sincerely as it is something that I would like to get involved with but unfortunately won't due to the historical problems that are there. At this point, it is my opinion, the IVEOA will have to be disbanded and possibly reformed in a completely different light

zilog_jones

The Facebook group these days seems to be mostly people moaning about chargers, there's rarely any interesting discussion. Complaining about these things on Facebook just seems like pissing in the wind TBH...

waynegalway

zilog_jones wrote: »

The Facebook group these days seems to be mostly people moaning about chargers, there's rarely any interesting discussion. Complaining about these things on Facebook just seems like pissing in the wind TBH...

I'm a member of the IEVOA and also a participant in their FB page. I have no affiliation with them, and I have never attended or voted in any of their meetings. I only paid the €10 fee this year by way of saying thanks, because when I was researching buying my LEAF last autumn, I found the FB members extremely willing to help.

Over the past 12 months, most posts on the FB page are centred around charging issues. Usually the theme is "there's not enough of them, get over it until there is" or "look at this gob****e in an ICE parked in a charging bay" or "look at this selfish EV driver hogging a charger". These are all valid points, but it's tiresome.

I suggested that a new FB page be set up for EV owners so that they could communicate easily about charge points that are working/broken/blocked when planning longer trips, on a county by county basis. And a separate FB page for more general consumption, which the public could go through if they are thinking about getting an EV. Currently, the type of posts on the FB page is likely to put a prospective buyer off, as it shows a bias towards the negative. I know that the reality of EV ownership is important to get across, but there could be a better balance.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. Not a dig at anyone in particular, and it's nothing I haven't said already on the FB page.

Jeditraining1

Wayne do revisit the IVEO page. While I take on board what you are saying there is a huge change in culture there. Admins have done some great work growing and expanding it. https://www.facebook.com/groups/irishevowners/

waynegalway

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

Wayne do revisit the IVEO page. While I take on board what you are saying there is a huge change in culture there. Admins have done some great work growing and expanding it. https://www.facebook.com/groups/irishevowners/

I'm on that page too!

Jeditraining1

Cool :-). I can see the changes. Can you? Honestly. Sorry I don't mean to put on the spot or ask you to pitt one against the other but I do think there is more conversation points on that page now than there is else where.

waynegalway

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

Cool :-). I can see the changes. Can you? Honestly. Sorry I don't mean to put on the spot or ask you to pitt one against the other but I do think there is more conversation points on that page now than there is else where.

Yes, I agree. That's not to say there isn't room for two groups. I think one that's for owners and has useful up to the minute news on things like individual chargers is a good idea, as long as the negativity is kept in check and it's a closed group. And there is also room for a publicly open group, which should be aimed at owners and potential owners....on that group the charger statuses should be actively discouraged and passed over to the "owners" page.

At the time I was researching (Sept/Oct 2017), the IEVOA page was the only one I knew about. I only discovered the IEVO group very recently.

n97 mini

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

A situation developed over time within the IVEOA where they placed them self's as the body for all EV drivers

That went round and round in circles, with the IEVOA arguing they represented their members only, not all EV drivers. Some people refused (and probably still refuse) to accept that and threw a strop iirc.

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

Wayne do revisit the IVEO page. While I take on board what you are saying there is a huge change in culture there.

Has the mud slinging at the IEVOA and a handful of its members stopped? There seem to be a few in there with extreme personal vendettas, which is why I left.

Jeditraining1

n97 mini wrote: »

That went round and round in circles, with the IEVOA arguing they represented their members only, not all EV drivers. Some people refused (and probably still refuse) to accept that and threw a strop iirc.

Mini unfortunately that is still the IVEOA's stance. Historically they have said one thing and done another. This is indicative of their whole ethos and only highlights how fractured they are. Regrettably it is not an opinion it is a it is a fact which formed part of the issue with them and has been pointed out to them through documentation and media many times. The strop you refer to was anger and frustration at not only this matter but many more.


Has the mud slinging at the IEVOA and a handful of its members stopped? There seem to be a few in there with extreme personal vendettas, which is why I left.

I won't comment on this as it is an opinion that you are entitled to and it is up to you if you stay off or not. As was pointed out by the admins many times you are welcome to come and go as you please. What I will say is this, the mud slinging you refer to is highlighted in the paragraph above.

ELM327

DrPhilG wrote: »

Don't mention the war...

Prophetic as ever Dr Phil!:pac:

DrPhilG

ELM327 wrote: »

Prophetic as ever Dr Phil!:pac:

I thought it was Dr PHEV now?

KCross

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

It is a real shame, I do say that sincerely as it is something that I would like to get involved with but unfortunately won't due to the historical problems that are there.

Its like being on the political opposition bench. You cant do much to affect change by just giving out. If you want to make real change you do so by getting on the front bench.

Whether you like it or not the IEVOA are the ones at the committees and I bet they will be the ones that eCars communicate with for the upcoming charging for charging. You have to decide whether you want influence or not.

Staying out means you have no influence unless you can get your own organisation up and running that has more influence.

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

At this point, it is my opinion, the IVEOA will have to be disbanded and possibly reformed in a completely different light

What would disbanding and reforming achieve? Its a group that is up and running. It is being invited to important government committees and you can join or leave as you feel fit. If you join you can influence, from within, like every organisation.

What does disbanding and reforming achieve?

Jeditraining1

KCross. That bring me back to the point that I made to MIMI which I feel I do not need to repeat. They a standing for what, about 100 members, if even that and accomplishing an even bigger mess. It is a shame, it could have been a great idea. However to answer your last point, why would I want to associate with something that has become so toxic and arguably irrelevant that it would be more damaging to me. You, like others, seem to have the impression that they have influence or even that the opinion of the IVEOA is listened to. Its funny you have mentioned politics, sometimes a politician yields to a person or group and makes them feel important and welcome and in reality the agenda is something very, very different. It is a shame that the IVEOA and the people sitting at the tables they did sit at didn't see that and they had the illusion that they were making or initiating change. They weren't and paraded their egos of being reps for the EV community through social media. Which once again brings me back to mimi's point, it angered a great many people who could see past that rhetoric, and wanted a stop put to it.


In saying all that I do take your point abut being involved but in order for that to happen two things would have to occur. 1 The individuals who are responsible for the mess that are still on the board as non functioning entities would have leave and give commitments not to or attempt to return for a period of time. 2. Mass reform on transparency. I realise this is in contradiction to your point however, my name in that mix. No thank you.

KCross

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

You, like others, seem to have the impression that they have influence or even that the opinion of the IVEOA is listened to.

Well, what is influence to you?
To me it means you are getting the opportunity to at least air your views to the people that matter. Does it mean that those people will take everything you say and implement it... of course not, but at least you've been asked your opinion and its being considered. IEVOA have that.

If all you have is your keyboard and boards.ie you have no influence really.

Note: I'm not an IEVOA member and have no vested interest in them.

ELM327

KCross wrote: »

Well, what is influence to you?
To me it means you are getting the opportunity to at least air your views to the people that matter. Does it mean that those people will take everything you say and implement it... of course not, but at least you've been asked your opinion and its being considered. IEVOA have that.

If all you have is your keyboard and boards.ie you have no influence really.

Note: I'm not an IEVOA member and have no vested interest in them.

I suppose it comes down to, a seat at the table is better than no seat!

Jeditraining1

KCross wrote: »

Well, what is influence to you?
To me it means you are getting the opportunity to at least air your views to the people that matter. Does it mean that those people will take everything you say and implement it... of course not, but at least you've been asked your opinion and its being considered. IEVOA have that.

If all you have is your keyboard and boards.ie you have no influence really.

Note: I'm not an IEVOA member and have no vested interest in them.

Once again, you seem to be under and impression the IVEOA listen or that they are a single voice. They do or have neither that is a historical fact and has been well documented.

You have also implied I only use boards. Also incorrect. I am on all platforms and involved in the industry and I do have a voice from a very different point of view.

KCross

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

Once again, you seem to be under and impression the IVEOA listen or that they are a single voice. They do or have neither that is a historical fact and has been well documented.

I dont understand what you've written there, sorry.

Im just saying they get the opportunity to speak with the people in the industry that matter (Government, eCars etc). Are you saying they dont get to speak with them?

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

You have also implied I only use boards. Also incorrect. I am on all platforms and involved in the industry and I do have a voice from a very different point of view.

I didnt say that at all. You're reading into my words too much. I said if all you have is boards and your keybaord you dont have influence. I was making a point about influence not you in particular. I have no idea who you are or what you do or what committees you are on. You are a stranger to me.

The point is, if you want to influence you have to get yourself in front of the right people. Being on social media isnt it. IEVOA do get that audience hence they have influence.

Jeditraining1

KCross wrote: »

I dont understand what you've written there, sorry.

Im just saying they get the opportunity to speak with the people in the industry that matter (Government, eCars etc). Are you saying they dont get




I didnt say that at all. You're reading into my words too much. I said if all you have is boards and your keybaord you dont have influence. I was making a point about influence not you in particular. I have no idea who you are or what you do or what committees you are on. You are a stranger to me.

The point is, if you want to influence you have to get yourself in front of the right people. Being on social media isnt it. IEVOA do get that audience hence they have influence.

Your last line is my point you evidently are one of the people who think they do have any influence or say. They actually don't and really I could elobrate on what I know and what I do but I don't need to. There are meetings where they, like others have been invited to tick a box nothing more because they have falsely left people in political power under the impression that they have more numbers than they actually have. All people have to do is look at the history of it and the simple misdirection of them and then they will know. It really isn't hard to see. :-).

Shefwedfan

I have no problem with the IEVOA. I used the facebook and found very useful. Really I would have liked to go to meetings etc but life got in the way

I have removed myself now from the facebook page, the reason was not because of any of the people etc etc. I do not like that the facebook page is set up so it randomly will come up in my friends feeds, you don't have to be part of the group and it still pops up.

I am not sure why it is set up like that but personally I don't like that. Once I realized this was the case I pulled it.

KCross

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

Your last line is my point you evidently are one of the people who think they do have any influence or say. They actually don't and really I could elobrate on what I know and what I do but I don't need to.

Please elaborate since this is the IEVOA thread. Otherwise you are just a hurler on the ditch.

You are at pains to tell us they are irrelevant but you are not backing that up. Am I to just take you at your word. You could have an axe to grind for all I know so you'll forgive me for not believing a stranger on the internet.

The IEVOA is there as an open organisation that you can join or not. If you dont like what they represent or how its run you can try to change from within or stay outside. You've decided to stay outside and thats your right but disbanding it and reforming doesnt achieve much, if anything.

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

There are meetings where they, like others have been invited to tick a box nothing more because they have falsely left people in political power under the impression that they have more numbers than they actually have. All people have to do is look at the history of it and the simple misdirection of them and then they will know. It really isn't hard to see. :-).

But they were invited. Thats the key thing. Whether their opinion is listened to is an entirely different matter.

I blagged my own way into the LEV taskforce and gave my opinions the same as the IEVOA did but at least they were there representing their members views and I represented mine but if you are on the outside you have no influence.... cant you see that point?

Were the various other facebook groups invited?

Jeditraining1

KCross wrote: »

Please elaborate since this is the IEVOA thread. Otherwise you are just a hurler on the ditch.

You are at pains to tell us they are irrelevant but you are not backing that up. Am I to just take you at your word. You could have an axe to grind for all I know so you'll forgive me for not believing a stranger on the internet.

The IEVOA is there as an open organisation that you can join or not. If you dont like what they represent or how its run you can try to change from within or stay outside. You've decided to stay outside and thats your right but disbanding it and reforming doesnt achieve much, if anything.




But they were invited. Thats the key thing. Whether their opinion is listened to is an entirely different matter.

I blagged my own way into the LEV taskforce and gave my opinions the same as the IEVOA did but at least they were there representing their members views and I represented mine but if you are on the outside you have no influence.... cant you see that point?

Were the various other facebook groups invited?

I find it interesting and curious that, for someone who aledges not to be involved, you seem to be quite a defender of the IEVOA. If you have been involved with the EV community l for as long as I have you would know what has happened and therefore your hurl from the ditch comment would be mute, it's something some of us that have been in the community for a long time now could write a book on. I didn't need to blag my way onto the LVE taskforce, I was invited however due to other commitments I declined and someone else from a parent part of the organisation took my place. I wasn't the only one of course, there was a struggle to put that together at the time for varying reasons.

I of course can see your point but you have not (i think) been involved with the history or some of the incidents that occurred with the IEVOA. Still though your defence is interesting.

I will, for now, stay outside thank you. I can clearly see there is emotive need here and your motivation is clouded. Please feel free to comment in return. For now I won't keep repeating the same thing over again.

n97 mini

IEVO is just a FB group, nothing more from what I can tell.

IEVOA is a FB group, and has paid members, a board, AGM, attends various meetings with eCars, govt etc etc etc.

One is active on the ground, the other is not (or as KCross says, hurls from the ditch).

Jeditraining1

n97 mini wrote: »

IEVO is just a FB group, nothing more from what I can tell.

IEVOA is a FB group, and has paid members, a board, AGM, attends various meetings with eCars, govt etc etc etc.

One is active on the ground, the other is not (or as KCross says, hurls from the ditch).

I'm only responding to this for the purposes of other readers. One comment is as equally inaccurate as the other. But I'll step back and let people go and judge for them selfs, it's that simple :-).

KCross

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

I find it interesting and curious that, for someone who aledges not to be involved, you seem to be quite a defender of the IEVOA.

I can assure you I have no links with them whatsoever. You can decide for yourself whether I'm lying or not.

My main points about them is that they have a voice. Thats really the only point Im making, not saying at all that they are a well run organisation or that they represent my views. I am not a member and have not attended their meetings so I cant speak for how they run/behave themselves.

However, they were in front of a government committee and got dedicated "airtime". They were on the taskforce. They communicate with eCars. These are all the things you would expect from an EV owners organisation.

I really dont see your issue with them other than you seem to have a personality clash with some of them going back a few years.

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

If you have been involved with the EV community l for as long as I have you would know what has happened and therefore your hurl from the ditch comment would be mute, it's something some of us that have been in the community for a long time now could write a book on.

I've been in the "EV community" for quite some time too but never on the IEVOA. I dont really care about the past and what personality clashes there have been. It's influencing future direction Im interested in.

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

I didn't need to blag my way onto the LVE taskforce, I was invited however due to other commitments I declined and someone else from a parent part of the organisation took my place. I wasn't the only one of course, there was a struggle to put that together at the time for varying reasons.

So you understand the concept then that your company was invited and hence has influence.... the same as the IEVOA. I dont remember the other facebook groups being represented at the taskforce therefore they dont have influence.

Also, would you say that your companies opinion at the taskforce dictated and everything they said at the taskforce is now adhered to and implemented.... of course it isnt.... but your company got to air its views and influenced policy in some small way... and so did the IEVOA and so did I, since I was there too.

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

I of course can see your point but you have not (i think) been involved with the history or some of the incidents that occurred with the IEVOA. Still though your defence is interesting.

Nothing interesting in it. I've said many times I'm not connected. Believe it or not is up to you.

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

I will, for now, stay outside thank you. I can clearly see there is emotive need here and your motivation is clouded.

I think you believe I am an IEVOA member in disguise!

KCross

n97 mini wrote: »

IEVO is just a FB group, nothing more from what I can tell.

IEVOA is a FB group, and has paid members, a board, AGM, attends various meetings with eCars, govt etc etc etc.

One is active on the ground, the other is not (or as KCross says, hurls from the ditch).

That's it in a nutshell! Thanks.

Shefwedfan

n97 mini wrote: »

IEVO is just a FB group, nothing more from what I can tell.

IEVOA is a FB group, and has paid members, a board, AGM, attends various meetings with eCars, govt etc etc etc.

One is active on the ground, the other is not (or as KCross says, hurls from the ditch).

I don't understand that attitude to be honest. I was member of both facebook groups. I have removed IEVOA for the reasons I have given


I don't see anyone on the IEVO group hurling anything? what is that based on?



Most of the people on that group are also on the other group. It is used to share advice and some Q&A. Exact same as the IEVOA facebook. The difference is the IEVO is a closed account. Which in reality the IEVOA should be as well.



IEVO have also set up a Buy&Sell seperate page which is actually brilliant.....

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I don't understand that attitude to be honest. I was member of both facebook groups. I have removed IEVOA for the reasons I have given


I don't see anyone on the IEVO group hurling anything? what is that based on?



Most of the people on that group are also on the other group. It is used to share advice and some Q&A. Exact same as the IEVOA facebook. The difference is the IEVO is a closed account. Which in reality the IEVOA should be as well.



IEVO have also set up a Buy&Sell seperate page which is actually brilliant.....

The distinction is that one is "just" a facebook group. Its not much different to this forum in some respects.

Sure, we have a Buy/Sell thread here too. Im not putting down IEVO at all. It is what it is.


The IEVOA is more than a FB group.

n97 mini

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I don't see anyone on the IEVO group hurling anything? what is that based on?

Nasty comments from a handful of people in IEVO directed at a handful of IEVOA people, semi-regularly. I don't know what their history is, but it's the reason I left. Mad-Lad commented on it here too, and it's the reason he also left. Don't know if the same people are still at it as it's a private group. Maybe they've stopped and you aren't witnessing it now?

Shefwedfan

n97 mini wrote: »

Nasty comments from a handful of people in IEVO directed at a handful of IEVOA people, semi-regularly. I don't know what their history is, but it's the reason I left. Mad-Lad commented on it here too, and it's the reason he also left. Don't know if the same people are still at it as it's a private group. Maybe they've stopped and you aren't witnessing it now?

Can only speak personally and I never seen anything on the IEVO page.....

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

The distinction is that one is "just" a facebook group. Its not much different to this forum in some respects.

Sure, we have a Buy/Sell thread here too. Im not putting down IEVO at all. It is what it is.


The IEVOA is more than a FB group.

I know the IEVOA is not just a FB group....I would be more than happy to rejoin if they close the group

I have friends from all over the World on facebook, I was not happy to find out some of them had posts popping up every day onto their timeline

If anyone asks me about an electric car I always pointed them to the facebook website, I can't do that anymore which is a pity so I point to IEVO page

It is not hard to find either group if you are interested in electric cars. A quick search and both groups pop up.....so no reason to have open so people can find

Apart from that I have no issue with IEVOA and I would have no problem trying to help and volunteer once the kids gets a little bit older

Silent Running

Facebook. :rolleyes: So last decade. :D

DesperateDan

I had no idea the IEVO page existed which I find interesting because I'm usually pretty down with these things.

There will be personality clashes in every random group of people on the Internet, seems silly having two groups, the subject is not serious enough to warrant people squabbling over it at all really.

Jeditraining1

DesperateDan wrote: »

I had no idea the IEVO page existed which I find interesting because I'm usually pretty down with these things.

There will be personality clashes in every random group of people on the Internet, seems silly having two groups, the subject is not serious enough to warrant people squabbling over it at all really.

There are a lot who either don't know the history or are choosing to ignore it. The case in point is in this thread. Please feel free to use either. For free impartial information use the IEVO page.

ELM327

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

There are a lot who either don't know the history or are choosing to ignore it. The case in point is in this thread. Please feel free to use either. For free impartial information use the IEVO page.

I've been around the EV community here and online for approx 3 years and have not seen this "history".
It seems very important to those on both sides of it but to be honest it should be just that, now, history. Time for both sides to move on.


EV owners need a lobby/interest group. I only see one, which is why I have joined the IEVOA. Any seat at the table is better than none. If you're starting a new lobby group to encompass all EV owners without this silly historical divide which does nothing to advance the interests of the EV community then I am in.

Shefwedfan

ELM327 wrote: »

I've been around the EV community here and online for approx 3 years and have not seen this "history".
It seems very important to those on both sides of it but to be honest it should be just that, now, history. Time for both sides to move on.


EV owners need a lobby/interest group. I only see one, which is why I have joined the IEVOA. Any seat at the table is better than none. If you're starting a new lobby group to encompass all EV owners without this silly historical divide which does nothing to advance the interests of the EV community then I am in.

I agree

History is history. Move on.....the BEV market has quickly grown over the last 12 months. So most people have no idea what this history is or to be honest don't actually care....I know personally I don't....


I agree the IEVOA is the best option moving forward. Best option would be a single community....single website and single buy & sell version....


All closed of course:P