More AH mods

Captain Obvious

When a guy can spend an hour posting Nazi propaganda I think you need to consider upping the manpower.

shady acres wrote: »

god punished that whore already

Captain Obvious

Same poster?

proudboy wrote: »

They were not a post code gang as such, you are comparing them to the black post code gangs in London who kill people just because they are from a different post codes.

That Clondalkin gang had links to many gangs around Dublin. What these black animals are trying to replicate is whats happening in London.

So not comparable to the Clondalkin "D22" gang.

Seriously. Throw out a casting call or something.

Beasty

We do not and cannot expect mods to be online 24/7

In both cases you mention local mods dealt with the post/poster in AH, and they were dealt at site level by an Admin

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I don't think the idea is to have 24/7 - just quicker attention to the obvious trolls during peak hours.

The problem is that the time between the troll posting and being actioned is long enough for the troll to be suitably fed and move on. More mods will (in theory) reduce this time and bring back some form of discussion without multiple threads being derailed. There's another one at the moment about family law and troll is still going. Yes, it's only been an hour or two, but it's almost three pages and the chance of debate is gone.

Either the mods need to move faster (unfair expectation, I totally agree) or more mods to cover more ground.

(i also acknowedge the resulting potential problem of unity across moderation: what one mod might see as a ban another might just see as light-hearted banter)

TheValeyard

The Beatings will continue until morale improves.

batgoat

Beasty wrote: »

We do not and cannot expect mods to be online 24/7

In both cases you mention local mods dealt with the post/poster in AH, and they were dealt at site level by an Admin

There also seems to be an all round more tolerant attitude towards posters being anti semitic or racist. Eg one poster has shown up repeatedly with Zionist conspiracy crap. Reporting seems to make no difference. Place feels more overrun than ever before.

Captain Obvious

Fake news is becoming ridiculous on AH. I've reported at least five incidents of it in the last few weeks. Is it that ye don't see the danger in allowing alt right people spread fake news or do ye simply not believe it's your responsibility to stop it?

As to your response Beasty, I didn't suggest mods be on 24/7, I said recruit more.

Mr. CooL ICE

Captain Obvious wrote: »

ye simply not believe it's your responsibility to stop it

We're moderators, not fact checkers. And that's not me being lazy; that's me being realistic.

Captain Obvious

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Fake news is becoming ridiculous on AH. I've reported at least five incidents of it in the last few weeks. Is it that ye don't see the danger in allowing alt right people spread fake news or do ye simply not believe it's your responsibility to stop it?

As to your response Beasty, I didn't suggest mods be on 24/7, I said recruit more.

People who are willing to work for nothing for a profit making company are hard to come by

RasTa

AH has just turned into stormfront but the mods don't care. Same stuff everywhere on the internet these days

Captain Obvious

Mark Rippetoe wrote: »

We're moderators, not fact checkers. And that's not me being lazy; that's me being realistic.

droidman123 wrote: »

People who are willing to work for nothing for a profit making company are hard to come by

Fair points.

Beasty

RasTa wrote: »

Same stuff everywhere on the internet these days

People have extreme views, whether online or in the real world. That's the way the World has been moving for a while now. Maybe the "silent majority" are caught up in the middle of it all, but do you really think we should be clamping down on what may well be genuinely held views, even if considered extreme by "historic" standards?

Yes even in this brave new World some things remain unacceptable on this site, be that racism, sexism, abuse of other users etc. However so long as posters are posting within site and forum rules we should not be acting simply because there is a perception views being expressed are extreme

Captain Obvious

Beasty wrote: »

People have extreme views, whether online or in the real world. That's the way the World has been moving for a while now. Maybe the "silent majority" are caught up in the middle of it all, but do you really think we should be clamping down on what may well be genuinely held views, even if considered extreme by "historic" standards?

Yes even in this brave new World some things remain unacceptable on this site, be that racism, sexism, abuse of other users etc. However so long as posters are posting within site and forum rules we should not be acting simply because there is a perception views being expressed are extreme

It's not extreme views I am referring to though. It's the proliferation of fake news and propaganda. Things that are provably false and portrayed as fact rather than opinion.

Beasty

As a general point I would not use AH as a news source. Equally you state "probably", which itself leaves some doubt over whether it is "false" or not.

If AH went back to it's original purpose of a place for light hearted commentary I'm not sure people would have so much of an issue. Equally I recognise we are in a different "era" nowadays and it is users that drive content. Other users are perfectly capable of pointing out any "news" that is "genuinely fake", and readers of the forum should not be taking anything posted as "gospel" without checking via a reliable source (which Boards clearly is not)

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Beasty wrote: »

People have extreme views, whether online or in the real world. That's the way the World has been moving for a while now. Maybe the "silent majority" are caught up in the middle of it all, but do you really think we should be clamping down on what may well be genuinely held views, even if considered extreme by "historic" standards?

Yes even in this brave new World some things remain unacceptable on this site, be that racism, sexism, abuse of other users etc. However so long as posters are posting within site and forum rules we should not be acting simply because there is a perception views being expressed are extreme

I don't mind extreme views, as long as they can be backed up. People seem to think extremism is the problem - it's not - as the sheer ignorance behind some of the elements of it that has no intention of debate.

RasTa

Whatever about extreme views this type of post and this whole thread is what is discussed daily in AH. Just rename it to stormfront and be done

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108945513&postcount=115

Captain Obvious

Beasty wrote: »

As a general point I would not use AH as a news source. Equally you state "probably", which itself leaves some doubt over whether it is "false" or not.

If AH went back to it's original purpose of a place for light hearted commentary I'm not sure people would have so much of an issue. Equally I recognise we are in a different "era" nowadays and it is users that drive content. Other users are perfectly capable of pointing out any "news" that is "genuinely fake", and readers of the forum should not be taking anything posted as "gospel" without checking via a reliable source (which Boards clearly is not)

I said provably, as in can be proven. It seems you are of the opinion that the community can police it themselves. That's how we got Trump and Brexit. It doesn't work. Reddit found it out the hard way. Facebook did too. And while the people on Boards make not be backed by big players, the places they get their fake news from are..

Fighting Tao

Whatever happened to the idea of AH going back to AH and have a current affairs forum? It seemed to be a plan that everyone agreed with.

Beasty

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Whatever happened to the idea of AH going back to AH and have a current affairs forum? It seemed to be a plan that everyone agreed with.

It's not been agreed by everyone though - there's another current Feedback thread here where some posters want to keep it as it is in terms of "serious" discussion. Likewise there was some dissent to the idea in earlier Feedback discussions on AH

I still think it's worth trying, but wanted to see what the consensus coming out of the 2 current feedback threads is, and whether that changes anything. I realise it's kicking the can down the road a little, but we are getting quite mixed feedback on the subject

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

RasTa wrote: »

Whatever about extreme views this type of post and this whole thread is what is discussed daily in AH. Just rename it to stormfront and be done

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108945513&postcount=115

No you see, that's why I'd never made a good mod. I would have carded that post.:)

Franz Von Peppercorn

I can’t see AH being funny again.

jackofalltrades

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Fake news is becoming ridiculous on AH. I've reported at least five incidents of it in the last few weeks.

Posting "Fake news" isn't against the charter though.

RasTa wrote: »

Whatever about extreme views this type of post and this whole thread is what is discussed daily in AH. Just rename it to stormfront and be done

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108945513&postcount=115

There might be threads or posts in AH that you find extreme, but to claim that the entire forum is on the same level as Stormfront is hyperbolic and false.

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Whatever happened to the idea of AH going back to AH and have a current affairs forum? It seemed to be a plan that everyone agreed with.

Who's "everyone"?

I think before any significant changes are made there should be at least a poll done on the suggestion.
With a linked placed in AH so that people are aware of it and enough of the posters can vote on it to make it someway representative.

Captain Obvious

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Posting "Fake news" isn't against the charter though.

It should be though.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Captain Obvious wrote: »

It should be though.

Yeah, but as someone said: who's going to be checking links for fake news?

Captain Obvious

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Yeah, but as someone said: who's going to be checking links for fake news?

Users are. But if you mean in relation to reported posts then I suppose that brings me back to hiring more mods and having a policy in place for the site.

batgoat

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Yeah, but as someone said: who's going to be checking links for fake news?

Well if a poster can provide a credible fact checking site reference then that should be enough. Move the topic into conspiracy theories if it doesn't have a factual basis.

Skylinehead

RasTa wrote: »

AH has just turned into stormfront but the mods don't care. Same stuff everywhere on the internet these days

Oh, I do care. AH is a shithole now. I'll happily move every single migration and politics (especially identity politics) thread somewhere else, maybe the bin where they belong, but then everyone else will complain. Seems to be absolutely nothing we can do about this, particularly a solution that everyones happy with.

Canis Lupus

Captain Obvious wrote: »

It should be though.

I disagree. People should be able to post what they like unless it's against the charter.

Captain Obvious

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I disagree. People should be able to post what they like unless it's against the charter.

Like I said, the self policing mode taken by social media gave us Trump and Brexit. These mediums being used to spread propaganda. They've all taken steps to remedy it. I don't see why Boards should be different.

Canis Lupus

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Like I said, the self policing mode taken by social media gave us Trump and Brexit. These mediums being used to spread propaganda. They've all taken steps to remedy it. I don't see why Boards should be different.

I'd like to think we're not as thick as the Americans or the Brits.

Beasty

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I'd like to think we're not as thick as the Americans or the Brits.

You speak for yourself.....

Kivaro

Nixonbot wrote: »

Oh, I do care. AH is a shithole now. I'll happily move every single migration and politics (especially identity politics) thread somewhere else, maybe the bin where they belong, but then everyone else will complain. Seems to be absolutely nothing we can do about this, particularly a solution that everyones happy with.

It most certainly is.
If the business owners of boards read the most recent thread on the Syrian families arriving in Ireland; particularly the posts from one particular (now thread banned) poster, then not only would they give up on boards, but possibly give up on humanity itself. The bile and bigotry of his posts should have been stopped sooner, but then as Beasty said, mods cannot be online 24/7. That thread (and many like it) have no place on AH.
The fact that these types of threads are still allowed to fester on AH is an obvious business decision; albeit a fairly bad one.

I pity the mods who have to deal with them on AH; I'm sure that they didn't sign up for that.

Kivaro

Kivaro wrote: »

It most certainly is.
If the business owners of boards read the most recent thread on the Syrian families arriving in Ireland; particularly the posts from one particular (now thread banned) poster, then not only would they give up on boards, but possibly give up on humanity itself. The bile and bigotry of his posts should have been stopped sooner, but then as Beasty said, mods cannot be online 24/7. That thread (and many like it) have no place on AH.
The fact that these types of threads are still allowed to fester on AH is an obvious business decision; albeit a fairly bad one.

I pity the mods who have to deal with them on AH; I'm sure that they didn't sign up for that.

I wonder did the owners read the thread where there was jokes and banter allowed about the bombings on the london underground last year

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Nixonbot wrote: »

Oh, I do care. AH is a shithole now. I'll happily move every single migration and politics (especially identity politics) thread somewhere else, maybe the bin where they belong, but then everyone else will complain. Seems to be absolutely nothing we can do about this, particularly a solution that everyones happy with.

Isn't there a ranting and raving forum where the migration/id politics ones could go where it's actually not allowed to go against the OP's rant? Sounds like they'd fit in there nicely: it seems that a lot of the news stories are posted for validation rather than debate.

Would certainly be a happier place for the people who think they were banned for expressing an opinion , or scream blue murder when someone disagrees with them.

0cp71eyxkb94qf

Translation of the last few posts: "my feelings are hurt cause someone has a different opinion to me. Sure everyone that disagrees with me is a racist bigot Nazi"??

And so forth...

There seems to be a lot of the attempts to stifle proper discussion of real issues surrounding immigration, housing etc by not only the vocal minority, but also some of the mods and anyone who disagrees with their pov is a member of stormfront.

The site should treat posters like adults who don't need to be protected from society's evils. It's not like Stormfront (wtf) and it hasn't been invaded by the alt-right. Russian trolls don't operate here.

The fake news being mentioned is a red herring. Sure, 350m to the NHS was a lie, but how could a mod in AH say "fake news" and take action against a poster for quoting the British Foreign Secretary or the BBC?

I see bigotry in AH, not some fake new epidemic.

Captain Obvious

Deleted User wrote: »

The site should treat posters like adults who don't need to be protected from society's evils. It's not like Stormfront (wtf) and it hasn't been invaded by the alt-right. Russian trolls don't operate here.

The fake news being mentioned is a red herring. Sure, 350m to the NHS was a lie, but how could a mod in AH say "fake news" and take action against a poster for quoting the British Foreign Secretary or the BBC?

I see bigotry in AH, not some fake new epidemic.

Fake news and the misrepresentation of facts is very prevalent, particularly on the controversial threads.

Dial Hard

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote:

Isn't there a ranting and raving forum where the migration/id politics ones could go where it's actually not allowed to go against the OP's rant? Sounds like they'd fit in there nicely: it seems that a lot of the news stories are posted for validation rather than debate.

R&R charter specifically bans Politics as a subject for rants.

Captain Obvious

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Fake news and the misrepresentation of facts is very prevalent, particularly on the controversial threads.

Is it, or is it the constant "Got proof of that?" being asked to people who say something like "This will make the housing crisis worse."?

It's not fake news to base opinions on the happenings in other countries. I have family in Crimea and friends in Gothenburg. Their experiences first-hand are fake news in your book.

Try_harder

AH seem to all Alt Right posters free reign to abuse other posters at Will, that’s against the charter, but nothing happens.

Try_harder

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I'd like to think we're not as thick as the Americans or the Brits.

Why are better?

Try_harder

Try_harder wrote: »

Why are better?

Gay Marriage / Trump / Brexit

Three public votes in three years. Pick the best one.

kneemos

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The site should treat posters like adults who don't need to be protected from society's evils. It's not like Stormfront (wtf) and it hasn't been invaded by the alt-right. Russian trolls don't operate here.

The fake news being mentioned is a red herring. Sure, 350m to the NHS was a lie, but how could a mod in AH say "fake news" and take action against a poster for quoting the British Foreign Secretary or the BBC?

I see bigotry in AH, not some fake new epidemic.

On other sites the posters deal with the bullshoite. Boards has been infantalised to such a degree nobody can say boo to a Nazi.
The level of reasonableness and sitting on the fence in AH is quite pronounced as is.

Captain Obvious

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it, or is it the constant "Got proof of that?" being asked to people who say something like "This will make the housing crisis worse."?

It's not fake news to base opinions on the happenings in other countries. I have family in Crimea and friends in Gothenburg. Their experiences first-hand are fake news in your book.

It's not. It's fake news to make up things that happen in other countries or to completely misrepresent them. Legal decisions are especially prone to this.



What you are referring to is third party anecdotal evidence. It's not fake but it's completely unreliable as a source and you shouldn't be surprised when it goes against actual publicly available factual information and people challenge your conclusions and source.


Take your family in Crimea. Let's say you use them to support an argument against a newspaper article about the plight of people in Crimea. Why do you think people should accept that? Your family could be on either side of the conflict, could be wealthy or dirt poor, could be in a completely different region. Or you could have made it up. I don't think that should be banned but it should be seen for what it is and not considered a factual source on it's own.

RasTa

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057941606

Why am I reading about soros getting ride of the European white nation in AH and you say it isn't stormfront? Probably the same posters though

0cp71eyxkb94qf

RasTa wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057941606

Why am I reading about soros getting ride of the European white nation in AH and you say it isn't stormfront? Probably the same posters though

If you are perpetually seeking out threads that offend you, perhaps you should get off the internet once in a while.

Orion

RasTa wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057941606

Why am I reading about soros getting ride of the European white nation in AH and you say it isn't stormfront? Probably the same posters though

Did you report the post? Coming to Feedback and moaning about it is not the same as alerting the mods about content they may not have seen.

In fact all your doing by linking to it is amplifying it.

Pawwed Rig

Try_harder wrote: »

AH seem to all Alt Right posters free reign to abuse other posters at Will, that’s against the charter, but nothing happens.

Yet the mods are regularly accused of being leftwing politically correct zealots. They cannot win.

To answer the OP - I would be on favour of having alot more moderators. 20 would be a good number imo. Unfortunately finding 1 moderator can be difficult and the efforts usually fizzle out when the current mods feel they can handle things.

I will go back to the mods now and brainstorm some potential new recruits. Thanks for the feedback. As the cmod for AH I need a kick in the arse every now and then.

RasTa

Orion wrote: »

Did you report the post? Coming to Feedback and moaning about it is not the same as alerting the mods about content they may not have seen.

In fact all your doing by linking to it is amplifying it.

Of course I did, they deemed it fine.

Pawwed Rig

RasTa wrote: »

Of course I did, they deemed it fine.

Did I miss something? I read the thread you linked to and didn't see any mention of Soros.
Other than that it seemed to be a group of people commenting on someone I have never heard of and talking about conspiracy theories.

Pawwed Rig

DS86DS wrote: »

Macron, Merkel and Soros are doing their damned best to try and insure that the Kalergi plan becomes a reality.

Sorry I reread it and found this post. I still say it is conspiracy theory stuff. Noone on the thread took it seriously or blew up about it.

That said AH is probably not the place for immigration threads. It is being actively discussed at the moment