Overclockers/Amazon UK Question

dreamers75

Its xmas time for me

I notice new options to login with Amazon and pay with Amazon, if I do, does this mean my purchase is with Amazon or whats it all about?

Amazon UK dont have the 9900K wondering if thats linked to the above?

TitianGerm

dreamers75 wrote: »

Its xmas time for me

I notice new options to login with Amazon and pay with Amazon, if I do, does this mean my purchase is with Amazon or whats it all about?

Amazon UK dont have the 9900K wondering if thats linked to the above?

I think it's just so you can use your Amazon credit on Overclockers.

The 9900K was about €550 delivered from Amazon US about two weeks ago. Probably worth keeping an eye on it to see does it pop up again if that's what your looking for.

tuxy

TitianGerm wrote: »

The 9900K was about €550 delivered from Amazon US about two weeks ago. Probably worth keeping an eye on it to see does it pop up again if that's what your looking for.

Do you only have to pay VAT on that or is there duty added to CPUs?

dreamers75

They have none in stock on Amazon UK at the minute the listing for it is a bit odd.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-i9-9900K-Desktop-Processor-unlocked/dp/B005404P9I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1541095793&sr=8-1&keywords=9900k

TitianGerm

tuxy wrote: »

Do you only have to pay VAT on that or is there duty added to CPUs?

No all the fees are included when you buy from Amazon US. If customs is less than their estimate they give you a refund but if they under estimate the liability they don't look for the extra from you.

tuxy

dreamers75 wrote: »

They have none in stock on Amazon UK at the minute the listing for it is a bit odd.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-i9-9900K-Desktop-Processor-unlocked/dp/B005404P9I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1541095793&sr=8-1&keywords=9900k

What's odd about the listing?
One seller has it in stock for an outrageous price.

dreamers75

tuxy wrote: »

What's odd about the listing?
One seller has it in stock for an outrageous price.

Amazon dont, same with US, DE,FR

Thats kinda odd when its in stock everywhere else.

Inquitus

dreamers75 wrote: »

Amazon dont, same with US, DE,FR

Thats kinda odd when its in stock everywhere else.

Gamers Nexus had a video last week noting shortages of the CPU even in the US, and delayed deliveries, as well as plenty of price gouging.

dreamers75

Inquitus wrote: »

Gamers Nexus had a video last week noting shortages of the CPU even in the US, and delayed deliveries, as well as plenty of price gouging.

But its at normal price on OCUK and Komplett, I just found that very odd.

699 is from that I can see the normal price, partpicker has it in stock everywhere in every country I clicked on. Even Ebay has it!!

Amazon the biggest retailer in the world doesnt have it

tuxy

Where is it in stock? Overclockers and Scan are pre order only. How is it in stock everywhere when you can only pre order on the main retailers?
What shop do you see it as in stock for the RRP?

There's a few in stock on amazon by re sellers but at inflated prices. Nothing unusual about that at all, perfectly normal when there is very limited stock of an item.

tuxy

dreamers75 wrote: »

But its at normal price on OCUK and Komplett

It's at the normal price because neither komplett or OCUK have it in stock. If you order from them you will have to wait a few days/weeks for stock. The inflated prices are for wealthy inpatient people.

Inquitus

dreamers75 wrote: »

But its at normal price on OCUK and Komplett, I just found that very odd.

699 is from that I can see the normal price, partpicker has it in stock everywhere in every country I clicked on. Even Ebay has it!!

Amazon the biggest retailer in the world doesnt have it

Link to time - https://youtu.be/a0vq-qRIZQA?t=67

Whole Vid

tuxy

Does that video explain what a pre order is?

dreamers75

Gonna be honest i think I am missing something here.

OC have and are willing to sell it to me but Amazon doesnt have it.

its my chrimbo present to me

tuxy

Ah I see the confusion, that's the tray version. Amazon generally only sell the boxed version. The boxed version is not available anywhere.

Dcully

Just wondering what cpu OP is currently running?
If you have an 8600K or 8700K the 9900K is barely an upgrade,certainly nothing you will notice ingame.

dreamers75

Dcully wrote: »

Just wondering what cpu OP is currently running?
If you have an 8600K or 8700K the 9900K is barely an upgrade,certainly nothing you will notice ingame.

5960X and X99 mobo from 4 years ago, its either 9900K and new platform or 6950X(highest board will support) which is a €1200 atm.

Z390 platform seems to be better choice imo

tuxy

What games have been performing poorly on the 5960X?

dreamers75

Its not performing poorly more so average with this years games ie AC:O (1080GPU) and same as when I got it, if i dont buy something this year (2080 not worth it) I getting a kitchen or some ****e.

My board is woeful for overclocking and me being lazy if I taking out the board I may as well do the CPU too

K.O.Kiki

Assassin's Creed Origins doesn't run too well on PC though, you shouldn't use that to bench.

You should be able to get the 5960X to 4.3/4.4GHz at 1.296V easily with a nice cooler.
Or upgrade the GPU to GTX 1080 Ti.

TBH just sounds like you want to spend money for the sake of it :pac:

tuxy

Do you have any other hobbies or interests?

dreamers75

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Assassin's Creed Origins doesn't run too well on PC though, you shouldn't use that to bench.

You should be able to get the 5960X to 4.3/4.4GHz at 1.296V easily with a nice cooler.
Or upgrade the GPU to GTX 1080 Ti.

TBH just sounds like you want to spend money for the sake of it :pac:

I chose poorly with motherboards when getting this cpu, OCing is awful.

And yes you are correct, that cart should be here by Wednesday :pac:

TerrorFirmer

Your current CPU is fine though, surely you should be looking at a GTX1080Ti or RTX280? You can get the 1080Ti new for £580-600 now so it's a pretty good deal, if you only currently have a GTX1080 upgrading the CPU seems a bit mad in that context, given the enormous cost of it, and considering a new GPU would return way better performance upgrades.

AC:O doesn't run very well on PC, it's pretty normal to get <60fps even on very high end systems....and it's because it's both a CPU and GPU killer, not one or the other.

Even at stock your current CPU is still good, and just a mild overclock would see it very close to on-par with much newer CPUs as well.

tuxy

But that doesn't solve the problem of money burning a hole in his pocket
Buying an RTX card might be a better option, Nvidia might release some ray tracing or benchmarks that can be run.

awec

dreamers75 wrote: »

Its xmas time for me

I notice new options to login with Amazon and pay with Amazon, if I do, does this mean my purchase is with Amazon or whats it all about?

Amazon UK dont have the 9900K wondering if thats linked to the above?

Your order is with Overclockers.


Amazon Pay is just like logging in and paying with Paypal, it lets you use your Amazon payment methods without having to enter them into another website.

Venom

dreamers75 wrote: »

I chose poorly with motherboards when getting this cpu, OCing is awful.

And yes you are correct, that cart should be here by Wednesday :pac:

AMD are having their Ryzen 2 reveal tomorrow, so ya might as well cool the jets and see what new toys they have to offer

tuxy

Venom wrote: »

AMD are having their Ryzen 2 reveal tomorrow, so ya might as well cool the jets and see what new toys they have to offer

The AMD solution will likely come in well under budget for him leaving him in the same position.

Cuddlesworth

Venom wrote: »

AMD are having their Ryzen 2 reveal tomorrow, so ya might as well cool the jets and see what new toys they have to offer

Won't be released till next year, focus will be on server products.

Venom

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Won't be released till next year, focus will be on server products.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. AMD has released their consumer chips first in the past and their new Threadripper's have just dropped, so not only is it Rysen 2's turn going on past evidence but a big reveal now about how awesome an upcoming generation of server chips are going to be, would only cut into current Threadripper sales.

dreamers75

Gonna hold off on a GPU until I see what AMD bring out, the 2080TI is simply not worth the upgrade from a 1080 right now. The 9900 vs the 5960 is a 38% increase with an option of OC later in its life (if I buy a decent mobo this time).

I intend to get 3/4 years out of the 9900K same as I got from my last CPU.

K.O.Kiki

What about the 9700K (8cores, no HT)?

Performance is practically identical with the 9900K (just depends on which chip OCs higher) but it's 25% cheaper.

K.O.Kiki

dreamers75 wrote: »

Gonna hold off on a GPU until I see what AMD bring out, the 2080TI is simply not worth the upgrade from a 1080 right now. The 9900 vs the 5960 is a 38% increase with an option of OC later in its life (if I buy a decent mobo this time).

I intend to get 3/4 years out of the 9900K same as I got from my last CPU.

Also, just going to call this out - RTX 2080 Ti is 60-100% faster than the GTX 1080, without DLSS.

dreamers75

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

What about the 9700K (8cores, no HT)?

Performance is practically identical with the 9900K (just depends on which chip OCs higher) but it's 25% cheaper.

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Also, just going to call this out - RTX 2080 Ti is 60-100% faster than the GTX 1080, without DLSS.

You have 1 "depends" and one "without".

I like to have my PC at the near current to bleeding edge as it can get budget wise for 3 to 4 years.

I have decided that my CPU is holding my 1080 back (its an issue) I have also decided that the 2080ti in my current build is not worth the upgrade (toms hardware, EG, reviews, benchmarks etc).

So the 9900k is the most cost effective solution to me in 2018 (as in right now).

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-10-31-rtx-2080-vs-gtx-1080-ti-benchmarks-performance-features-7001

The 2080 is not a €1300 upgrade on a simple 1080 as I said its simply not worth an upgrade. I would be left with the same CPU based issue if I did that, and its main feature is not something i care about....Ultra 4k60fps is the only thing i care about.

tuxy

dreamers75 wrote: »

Ultra 4k60fps is the only thing i care about.

So you're saying that the 5960X is the bottleneck at 4k and not the 1080?
How did you come to this conclusion?

Venom

dreamers75 wrote: »

You have 1 "depends" and one "without".

I like to have my PC at the near current to bleeding edge as it can get budget wise for 3 to 4 years.

I have decided that my CPU is holding my 1080 back (its an issue) I have also decided that the 2080ti in my current build is not worth the upgrade (toms hardware, EG, reviews, benchmarks etc).

So the 9900k is the most cost effective solution to me in 2018 (as in right now).

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-10-31-rtx-2080-vs-gtx-1080-ti-benchmarks-performance-features-7001

The 2080 is not a €1300 upgrade on a simple 1080 as I said its simply not worth an upgrade. I would be left with the same CPU based issue if I did that, and its main feature is not something i care about....Ultra 4k60fps is the only thing i care about.

What resolution do you game at? If it's 1440p or 4k the difference between a 9900k, 8700k or 2700x is tiny and in no way worth the €200-300 extra over the other two chips. The 9900k also required serious high-end cooling if you plan to overclock it and that's after deliding it.

tuxy

Venom wrote: »

What resolution do you game at? If it's 1440p or 4k the difference between a 9900k, 8700k or 2700x is tiny

How does his 5960X compare to those CPUs?

He says the most important thing to him is getting 60 fps at 4k and the 5960X is preventing his gtx 1080 from performing well at 4k

K.O.Kiki

tuxy wrote: »

How does his 5960X compare to those CPUs?

He says the most important thing to him is getting 60 fps at 4k and the 5960X is preventing his gtx 1080 from performing well at 4k

OP is incorrect, his bottleneck will be GPU.

TerrorFirmer

While I personally wouldn't ever buy it, if you're that eager to spend that much money, and 4K60 ultra is the goal, then the 2080Ti is worth the €1300 odd; spending not far off the same to go from a 5960X to a 9900K not so.

I don't get why it has to be a 9900K as well. Especially for 4K60. Why not a Ryzen 2700X or i7-8700 or whatever at a fraction of the price if you want a more modern DDR4 platform (that part is understandable obviously)? Either will push frames so far north of 60fps I can't really see the logic in it.

It would make more sense if it was a monster productivity machine plus a 1440p144hz gaming machine, but for 4K60fps it seems like just a cash-burning exercise. If you want to burn cash, it makes far more sense to invest in a 2080Ti and get a high-end normal consumer CPU like the 2700X/8600K/8700K/etc (lets be honest; for 4K60, even a €180 Ryzen 2600X will excel) and at least reap huge benefit from the money invested

The 5930K with a mild overclock would broadly be somewhere near i7-6700K class level (at a guess).

Finally, Assassins Creed Odyssey is a major system killer (not great optimisation rather than anything else)? Even the RTX2080Ti, a €1300 card, can't do 4K ultra @ 60fps.

A quick look at CPU and GPU benchmarks on Techspot actually shows even the GTX1080 can't even do 1080p ultra @ 60fps, let alone 1440P or 4K. So I feel like you're pointing the figure entirely at the wrong culprit here for whatever reason.

At the end of the day it is your money and decision but personally I think it's a very strange and illogical one when looking at the full picture.

Dcully

Just to echo what the others are saying, your mad buying the 9900k when you get almost identical gaming performance from either 8600K,8700K or 2700X.

I have decided that my CPU is holding my 1080 back (its an issue)

I think you are very wrong there.

I guarantee you an upgrade to 1080ti,2080,2080ti with your existing CPU will give you a better performance boost than going with the 9900K and sticking with your 1080.

Venom

tuxy wrote: »

How does his 5960X compare to those CPUs?

He says the most important thing to him is getting 60 fps at 4k and the 5960X is preventing his gtx 1080 from performing well at 4k

When it comes to 4k gaming, it's the GPU and not CPU that really makes the difference when it comes to FPS in games. If you were to take the very best CPU, motherboard and ram on the market and pair it with a high-end GPU, the difference in is only about 2-5 FPS max over lower specced hardware (within reason) with the same GPU.



The OP's plan to spend at least €900 (very lowball price here and which may also require faster ram) on a new CPU and motherboard for an extra 2-5 FPS over their existing system, instead of picking up a new GPU is just nuts.