Bolsonaro next president of Brazil.

bradlente

I wonder how the stabbing last month influenced voters..

jameshealy19

oscarBravo wrote: »

Das Reich wrote: »

Hope the country now will drop the figure of 60.000 homicides every year.

I admire your optimism, but has electing a far-right strongman wannabe dictator ever led to better outcomes for a country?

Singapore did very well

hill16bhoy

It seems the BBC is willing to take the concept of false balance to extraordinary levels.

A couple of weeks of ago it was climate change denial on Newsnight, now this.

Fascism, "refreshing" the parts others can't reach. FFS.

Still "marketplace of ideas", or something something.

Disgraceful.

bradlente

What's the article like?

RandomName2

oscarBravo wrote: »

I admire your optimism, but has electing a far-right strongman wannabe dictator ever led to better outcomes for a country?

Eh, the one thing a strongman wannabe dictator is good for is reducing crime (and non-state sanctioned violence).

Da Silva would have won hands-down if he hadn't been convicted.

Jolly Red Giant

Das Reich wrote: »

Hope the country now will drop the figure of 60.000 homicides every year.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/28/jair-bolsonaro-wins-brazil-presidential-election

Bolsonaro criticised the previous Brazilian dictatorship - for not killing enough people and not being vicious enough.

Jolly Red Giant

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Do you know much about where Bolsonaro‘s vote comes from? Dismissing his voters as racist or sexist or blah blah blah isn’t generally helpful.

Looks like quite a lot of different classes voted for him.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/26/its-not-just-the-right-thats-voting-for-bolsonaro-its-everyone-far-right-brazil-corruption-center-left-anger-pt-black-gay-racism-homophobia/

Shouting at voters doesn’t help, if there’s a genuine fear of crime and it’s not being solved eventually someone will come along and solve it.

Bolsonaro's power base is among the military and the rural ranchers.

pixelburp

RandomName2 wrote: »

Eh, the one thing a strongman wannabe dictator is good for is reducing crime (and non-state sanctioned violence).

Da Silva would have won hands-down if he hadn't been convicted.

Thing about authoritarian strongmen, is they're not exactly well known for being rigorous adherents of due process and the rule of law; it is kind of their thing to shoot first, so to speak. And as enticing an idea as punishing criminals with prejudice might be, abandoning the norms usually results in innocents being killed or thrown behind bars. I expect those in the favelas to be watching their backs - nor the murder numbers to lower.

Akrasia

This is a guy who wants a civil war so he has an excuse to round up and imprison or exile his political opponents. He's gonna go in hard and any reaction against him will be used as pretext for martial law.

Its not going to go well for the poor and poorly connected

Jolly Red Giant

hill16bhoy wrote: »

At the risk of link dumping, this is the sort of thing Bolsonaro has unleashed on Brazil. But I suppose, on the plus side, at least he's "upsetting the cosy PC liberal do gooder consensus" or whatever vacuous troll soundbyte you're having yourself.

It's really amazing how the anti-immigrant "white genocide" theorists seem to fall totally silent when indigenous communities in the Americas, Australia or wherever are the ones being persecuted and/or discriminated against.

https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/1056902877413806080

This on top of the murder of Aloisio Sampaio - leader of a landless peasant movement - and others two weeks ago.

Jolly Red Giant

Election returns show that Bolsonaro won in 97% of the richest districts in Brazil - Haddad won in 98% of the poorest districts.

This is class warfare by the far-right.

Dohnjoe

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There is a revoltion coming by ordinary people and workers and it won't be pretty.

No "revolution" is coming. Populists are just getting better at using unfettered social media and (dis)information via the internet to tap into people's emotions rather than their common sense

Same ****, different angle. It works.

bradlente

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Bolsonaro's power base is among the military and the rural ranchers.

How much of the vote did they make up?

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

This on top of the murder of Aloisio Sampaio - leader of a landless peasant movement - and others two weeks ago.

On top of the attempted murder of the current leader a few weeks before that, seems like a fairly poisonous climate all round.

Good loser

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Election returns show that Bolsonaro won in 97% of the richest districts in Brazil - Haddad won in 98% of the poorest districts.

This is class warfare by the far-right.

The fact that the 'Workers Party' was corrupt from top to bottom didn't help.

ancapailldorcha

Mod: We have plenty of Political Correctness threads on this site. I'd prefer this thread to be specifically focused on Brazil. Post deleted.

Eric Cartman

"Pinochet did what had to be done" what a hero.
I disagree with his stance on women and gays , but his stance on criminals and communists is spot on, a mixed bag, but certainly less destructive and less dangerous than other south american leaders like Chavez

Eric Cartman

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Election returns show that Bolsonaro won in 97% of the richest districts in Brazil - Haddad won in 98% of the poorest districts.

This is class warfare by the far-right.

Its class warfare on both sides , we see it in every country, even here people like paul murphy blame the rich and companies and a boogeyman '1%' for all the problems, once you get anywhere +/- 5 clicks of dead center its all about blaming the other side for all your ills.

Winning anything because all the poorest voted for you is without fail always a result of offering free things you cant afford.

PopePalpatine

Eric Cartman wrote: »

"Pinochet did what had to be done" what a hero.
I disagree with his stance on women and gays , but his stance on criminals and communists is spot on, a mixed bag, but certainly less destructive and less dangerous than other south american leaders like Chavez

Screw it, I'll bite. What put Allende and his government on a par of the likes of Escobar & Co.?

Eric Cartman

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Screw it, I'll bite. What put Allende and his government on a par of the likes of Escobar & Co.?

I have mentioned neither Allende or Escobar,

This is a thread about Bolsonaro and there was a mild comparison to Pinochet, both of those figures are / were (respectively) less damaging to their nation than Chavez was to Venezuela.

vetinari

It's becoming a disturbing pattern.
Far right leaders managing to brand themselves as populists that are fighting for the common man.
It's utter rubbish. What's worse is that the media invariably go easy on these candidates.
They don't call it what it is, a candidate of the rich masquerading as a candidate for the people.

Trump, Farage, Bolsonaro, they're all the same type of chancer.

Trump was a billionaire.
Farage was a commodities trader.
Bolsonaro doesn't appear to be as monied as the other two chancers.
This snippet from wikipedia shows that he shares the same values.
"While working in Congress, Jair Bolsonaro hired his wife, Michelle, as a secretary and over the next two years she received unusual promotions and her salary more than tripled. He was forced to fire her after the Supreme Federal Court ruled that nepotism is illegal in the public administration."

bradlente

vetinari wrote: »

It's becoming a disturbing pattern.
Far right leaders managing to brand themselves as populists that are fighting for the common man.
It's utter rubbish. What's worse is that the media invariably go easy on these candidates.
They don't call it what it is, a candidate of the rich masquerading as a candidate for the people.

Trump, Farage, Bolsonaro, they're all the same type of chancer.

Trump was a billionaire.
Farage was a commodities trader.
Bolsonaro doesn't appear to be as monied as the other two chancers.
This snippet from wikipedia shows that he shares the same values.
"While working in Congress, Jair Bolsonaro hired his wife, Michelle, as a secretary and over the next two years she received unusual promotions and her salary more than tripled. He was forced to fire her after the Supreme Federal Court ruled that nepotism is illegal in the public administration."

Isn't the only other person that could've won the election a leftist that was disallowed from running because he's currently in prison for money laundering?