New Drink Driving rules???

RustyNut

You get a ban at the lower limit, it used to be a fine and points.

Andy From Sligo

I'm sureI wasnt hearing things, earlier on today on our local radio news I am pretty sure I heard them say that starting from midnight tonight new drink driving rules come into force and people caught face a 3 month (or was it years?) disqualification

But I have gone on the radio stations facebook page and their website and cannot see the bit of news anywhere on there .

What is this about? - can you not have any drink whatsoever now then if you drive?

Samuel T. Cogley

Probabally the current fixed charges have been moved to bans for people just over the limit.

Dravokivich

3 month ban and 200 Euro fine. But people don't care about being banned anymore.

Andy From Sligo

but still the same limits is it?

AdrianII

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

but still the same limits is it?

No. I believe it is any trace of achohol is a three m ok nth ban and fine.

dinneenp

Dravokivich wrote: »

3 month ban and 200 Euro fine. But people don't care about being banned anymore.

Maybe some people don't but most would. Massive inconvenience & embrassing if colleagues asking 'why are you suddenly cycling in wet, dark weather?v

If it discourages a moronic practice, then all the better.

oceanman

Deleted User wrote: »

If it discourages a moronic practice, then all the better.

it wont..

EPAndlee

According to RTE:

Drivers detected by a member of An Garda Síochána with between 50 milligrammes and 80 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood, 107 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of urine, or 35 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath, will be disqualified from holding a driving licence for a period of 3 months and receive a fine of €200

Andy From Sligo

This evening in pubs and restaurants around the country they need a big poster as you walk in through the front door saying "From midnight tonight if you drink and drive you will face a 3month ban and a fine" - so there is no confusion and no buts, and cannot say people werent warned!

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

This evening in pubs and restaurants around the country they need a big poster as you walk in through the front door saying "From midnight tonight if you drink and drive you will face a 3month ban and a fine" - so there is no confusion and no buts, and cannot say people werent warned!

The offence hasn't changed, just the penalty. They already know it's illegal to drive over the limit.

RustyNut

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I'm sureI wasnt hearing things, earlier on today on our local radio news I am pretty sure I heard them say that starting from midnight tonight new drink driving rules come into force and people caught face a 3 month (or was it years?) disqualification

But I have gone on the radio stations facebook page and their website and cannot see the bit of news anywhere on there .

What is this about? - can you not have any drink whatsoever now then if you drive?

Looks like I discovered time travel. Answered the OP before the question was asked. Yay.

Andy From Sligo

EPAndlee wrote: »

According to RTE:

Drivers detected by a member of An Garda Síochána with between 50 milligrammes and 80 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood, 107 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of urine, or 35 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath, will be disqualified from holding a driving licence for a period of 3 months and receive a fine of €200

I suppose for the normal person they are not going to know how much milligrammes they have in them ... so I suppose the best thing is if you are going to drive ... dont drink at all.

I normally have half a pint of lager or guinness or something if I am out - and i feel fine to drive but it would make me think again now , just in case.

Andy From Sligo

RustyNut wrote: »

Looks like I discovered time travel. Answered the OP before the question was asked. Yay.

yes I was wondering how u did that - you are post number 1 LOL

Dravokivich

dinneenp wrote: »

Maybe some people don't but most would. Massive inconvenience & embrassing if colleagues asking 'why are you suddenly cycling in wet, dark weather?v

You should check the garda Twitter feeds more. A lot of people banned or without a licence. The kind to get caught drink driving really don't care. Losing their licence, they'll continue to drive.

Andy From Sligo

Dravokivich wrote: »

You should check the garda Twitter feeds more. A lot of people banned or without a licence. The kind to get caught drink driving really don't care. Losing their licence, they'll continue to drive.

Cut both their hands off when caught ... sure way to stop them driving when banned ... then again they most probably get a couple of prosthetic's and carry on driving

okidoki987

Anybody hazard a guess as to what 50mg (per 100ml of blood) would be in terms of amount of drink taken, excluding things like weight, eaten beforehand etc?
Half a pint, a pint, 2 pints?

RustyNut

I know someone who was done under the old limit of 80mg. He had 7 pints and and was 190 mg in the blood sample, so work it out from there.

okidoki987

okidoki987 wrote: »

Anybody hazard a guess as to what 50mg (per 100ml of blood) would be in terms of amount of drink taken, excluding things like weight, eaten beforehand etc?
Half a pint, a pint, 2 pints?

It's a gamble.
It all depends on the person, what they are used to, their body composition etc
So basically, if you are going to drink, don't drive.

Graniteville

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I'm sureI wasnt hearing things, earlier on today on our local radio news I am pretty sure I heard them say that starting from midnight tonight new drink driving rules come into force and people caught face a 3 month (or was it years?) disqualification

But I have gone on the radio stations facebook page and their website and cannot see the bit of news anywhere on there .

What is this about? - can you not have any drink whatsoever now then if you drive?

Have you lived under a stone for the past couple of years?
Debated ad nauseam in the dail. A pet project of Mr. Stepaside Garda station himself, lord Ross.

I'll guess you're from sligo (my power of deduction is amazing) - if you went on a Sunday drive to Jack's in Belcoo and had 3 pints over a couple of hours and breathalysed outside by psni, you'd be allowed to drive without fear of any penalty.

Drive a few hundred metres and stopped by the Gardai 2 minutes later and you'd be off the road for 3 months.

Pauliedragon

okidoki987 wrote: »

Anybody hazard a guess as to what 50mg (per 100ml of blood) would be in terms of amount of drink taken, excluding things like weight, eaten beforehand etc?
Half a pint, a pint, 2 pints?

A rough guide for men is 2 standard drinks in the 1st hour and 1 standard drink per hr after that. A standard drink being a half pint, small glass of wine, 1 shot of spirits. Women is 1 standard drink per hr.. However as you said, size, food taken, metabolism, how often you drink etc all matter. It's a lottery really there is no exact guide available.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I'm sureI wasnt hearing things, earlier on today on our local radio news I am pretty sure I heard them say that starting from midnight tonight new drink driving rules come into force and people caught face a 3 month (or was it years?) disqualification

But I have gone on the radio stations facebook page and their website and cannot see the bit of news anywhere on there .

What is this about? - can you not have any drink whatsoever now then if you drive?

It’s grand, don’t worry about it, the justice system is so píss poor in this country that your almost guaranteed to get off on some ridiculous technicality in the court case.

For anyone who was that worried if they were possibly over the limit you can buy breathalysers to use the morning after drinking.

But on the topic it’s about right there’s more heavy handed punishments for this kind of ****e. I hope the same applies to all traffic offences someday, no seat belt, speeding etc. Too many folk in this country drive like eejits.

Andy From Sligo

Graniteville wrote: »

Have you lived under a stone for the past couple of years?
Debated ad nauseam in the dail. A pet project of Mr. Stepaside Garda station himself, lord Ross.

I'll guess you're from sligo (my power of deduction is amazing) - if you went on a Sunday drive to Jack's in Belcoo and had 3 pints over a couple of hours and breathalysed outside by psni, you'd be allowed to drive without fear of any penalty.

Drive a few hundred metres and stopped by the Gardai 2 minutes later and you'd be off the road for 3 months.

yeah, in all fairness quite some time ago i heard it discussed i just didnt know when it was gonna happen and didnt realise it was midnight tonight it came into force .

Andy From Sligo

I think shane ross had said in the past when he was discussing about all this that he wanted a total drink, no drive at all scenario but it was met with so much opposition from .. er his opponents in the Dail - but it does seem thats the direction its heading to.

one FF TD down our way wants to see it relaxed in rural areas thinking it should be one or 2 drinks (maybe he is citing pints?) and still allowed to drive

Austria!

okidoki987 wrote: »

Anybody hazard a guess as to what 50mg (per 100ml of blood) would be in terms of amount of drink taken, excluding things like weight, eaten beforehand etc?
Half a pint, a pint, 2 pints?

Quick maths says a litre of 3% alcohol which is about a standard pint


Assuming 5ltr of blood
Alcohol is 78924 mg/ml

Masala

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

yeah, in all fairness quite some time ago i heard it discussed i just didnt know when it was gonna happen and didnt realise it was midnight tonight it came into force .

Ya... we all thought the 2 Healy Raes would pull rank and get this buried!!

Looks like The Raes only power is in Kilgarvin

lalababa

okidoki987 wrote: »

Anybody hazard a guess as to what 50mg (per 100ml of blood) would be in terms of amount of drink taken, excluding things like weight, eaten beforehand etc?
Half a pint, a pint, 2 pints?

Can't exclude those things and others I'm afraid. It would be illogical to exclude major factors that affect BAC. Like it would be unscientific to exclude all/any major contributory factors to crashes that also have alcohol as a factor whether contributory or not.
All I can say is I can have up to 5 Guinness over 4 hr.s , eat a bag of chips while waiting 30min.s after my last pint and be well under .05 BAC. Usually around .025. But everyone if different due to weight/tolerance and other factors.

SimonTemplar

I hope something similar is brought in for phone usage. My friend was rear ended at a red light by an idiot looking at his phone.

Some people just don't understand how dangerous it is, and it is widespread.

The J Stands for Jay

Khari Salty StoreMGS wrote: »

For anyone who was that worried if they were possibly over the limit you can buy breathalysers to use the morning after drinking.

Anyone have any recommendations?

Shenshen

Will they put an adequate number of gardai on the roads to actually follow up on this?

Currently, you're nearly more likely to win the lottery than the be stopped and checked. There's absolutely 0 point in fiddling with the potential penalties as long as people know they won't get caught anyway.

Canis Lupus

McGaggs wrote: »

Anyone have any recommendations?

Would you put your licence in the hands of some breathalyser you got off the interwebs? The only one that matters is the one the garda has and it'll be no defense to say the one you had at home said you were good to drive.

Patrick2010

Newstalk have on their news headlines this morning that having just a half pint of beer will see drivers off the road if they are stopped now. Where is that coming from???

outinthefields

Here's the Bill as signed into law. https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2017/108/

4ensic15

okidoki987 wrote: »

Anybody hazard a guess as to what 50mg (per 100ml of blood) would be in terms of amount of drink taken, excluding things like weight, eaten beforehand etc?
Half a pint, a pint, 2 pints?

Body weight is the most significant factor. Someone weighing 17st can hold far more than someone of 8st. There are charts on the net produced in America showing this. It would be utterly stupid to rely on some rule of thumb and drink up to that amount. Sleep and food alone cause major variations.

Masala

If you have to go to the pub ( say for a farewell gig/ quiet read of the paper/ catch a match) you always have a pint of Heineken Zero. No one will know the difference... and you safe driving home

Had a few cans recent,y as they on special offer and as a thirst quencher they were alright!!

wakka12

dinneenp wrote: »

Maybe some people don't but most would. Massive inconvenience & embrassing if colleagues asking 'why are you suddenly cycling in wet, dark weather?v

Cars broken down cant afford mechanic right now..?
I think 3 months is pretty ****, not much of a deterrent at all, 1 year would be more like it

ohnonotgmail

wakka12 wrote: »

Cars broken down cant afford mechanic right now..?
I think 3 months is pretty ****, not much of a deterrent at all, 1 year would be more like it

I was without a car for 10 days recently after it was damaged in the recent storm. 10 days was torture. I couldn't imagine 3 months.

Turner

The first the Gardai (Gardai out doing checkpoints and in patrol cars) heard of this new law was in the papers yesterday.

They have received no training or lectures on its implementation.

And dont forget, if they put handcuffs on you after your arrest you are more than likely to get off scott free

Joke of a system.

https://twitter.com/GRA_NR/status/1055578890788372480?s=19

highgiant1985

Doesn't the same bill bring in the stricter penalty for unaccompanied learner drivers as well? I see no talk of that.

Rodin

Shenshen wrote: »

Will they put an adequate number of gardai on the roads to actually follow up on this?

Currently, you're nearly more likely to win the lottery than the be stopped and checked. There's absolutely 0 point in fiddling with the potential penalties as long as people know they won't get caught anyway.

And this is the most important point.
Only been breathalysed twice in 20 years.
People drink and drive because they have no fear of being caught.

outinthefields

The new law makes the owner of a car driven by an L driver unsupervised part of that offence and faces a fine too.

El Weirdo

Turner wrote: »

The first the Gardai (Gardai out doing checkpoints and in patrol cars) heard of this new law was in the papers yesterday.

They have received no training or lectures on its implementation.

And dont forget, if they put handcuffs on you after your arrest you are more than likely to get off scott free

Joke of a system.

https://twitter.com/GRA_NR/status/1055578890788372480?s=19

What do they have to know? The limits are the same as before, no? They have nothing to do with handing out bans and fines, which is what this law is about.

Turner

El Weirdo wrote: »

What do they have to know? The limits are the same as before, no? They have nothing to do with handing out bans and fines, which is what this law is about.

They have to prosecute the case in the district court and most likely appeals court. And if they arrest while not fully knowing the law they can surely expect to find themselves up in the high or even Supreme Courts.

They need to know the new legislation if they are to enforece it.

They need training on practices and procedures, case law, scenarios prisoner management invluding handcuffing in light of recent cases.

But no they get nothing, apart from shane ross holding up a poster with the head of the rsa saying the new law is in.

pleas advice

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Newstalk have on their news headlines this morning that having just a half pint of beer will see drivers off the road if they are stopped now. Where is that coming from???

Well, I suppose if you down the half pint in one, and get breathalised 10 mins later, (giving time for alcohol to enter the blood from the stomach) you could be over the limit

Patrick2010

Turner wrote: »

They have to prosecute the case in the district court and most likely appeals court. And if they arrest while not fully knowing the law they can surely expect to find themselves up in the high or even Supreme Courts.

They need to know the new legislation if they are to enforece it.

They need training on practices and procedures, case law, scenarios prisoner management invluding handcuffing in light of recent cases.

But no they get nothing, apart from shane ross holding up a poster with the head of the rsa saying the new law is in.

I don't get that. What has a guard to do different today than last week.? Once he arrests someone and charges them then the only difference is in the penalty the driver gets eventually?, or am I missing something?

Canis Lupus

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Would you put your licence in the hands of some breathalyser you got off the interwebs? The only one that matters is the one the garda has and it'll be no defense to say the one you had at home said you were good to drive.

Well the alternative is putting your licence in the hands of guess work if you’ve had a drink.

Andy From Sligo

Masala wrote: »

If you have to go to the pub ( say for a farewell gig/ quiet read of the paper/ catch a match) you always have a pint of Heineken Zero. No one will know the difference... and you safe driving home

Had a few cans recent,y as they on special offer and as a thirst quencher they were alright!!

hows the price normally of those zero type drinks compared to normal alcohol ? are they much dearer to buy.

Its the same with pubs charging extortionate prices for minerals and soft drinks - a lot of them are not making it easy for people not to drink sometimes

Masala

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

hows the price normally of those zero type drinks compared to normal alcohol ? are they much dearer to buy.

Its the same with pubs charging extortionate prices for minerals and soft drinks - a lot of them are not making it easy for people not to drink sometimes

I asked my Son who was out drinking during the week to ask while out and he said that the bar was charging €5 for a draught pint of Heineken Zero as a against €4.80 for the normal pint.

Am meeting wife in town later and might try a pint if stocked in the bar we meeting at. So.. will give a definitive answer later!

Andy From Sligo

as I always say, we are in am era of fantastic electronic equipment now, and it could be linked to the cars mobilisation system - a tube (or sensor near the screen) if it detects alcohol from the breath then the engine doesnt start - simple as .

not foolproof I suppose but it could be a start. - cars could even have gyro sensors inside them that detect erratic unusual driving as well .

when you cannot rely on humans on following rules and keeping to them, then I suppose we have to enter the nanny state side of things.