Did the British ever stop seeing us as inferior?

steddyeddy

And what will they be like post-Brexit?

I live in the Uk at the moment and everytime there's a Brexit debate on TV there's misinformation or even animosity towards Ireland. Paddy should fall in line and not cause trouble seems to be the attitude. Boris' dad, Stanley and the rest of the upper classes seem tohave the idea that our history, future or well being is meaningless. There's educated people who think that they're entitled to an Irish passport if they're English, there's people who think the troubles consisted of the IRA alone causing trouble, I've surprised people by telling them that there's two communities in Northern Ireland, British and Irish.

In brief the whole Brexit fiasco has revealed one thing; British people generally don't know anything about the history between the Irish and the English and don't seem to care about the future relationship between our islands.

Below is Boris' equally priviliged Dad saying let the Irish shoot each other.
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/stanley-johnson-irish-will-shoot-each-other-brexit-news-gmb/

Skylinehead

Yes.

Next question.

steddyeddy

Nixonbot wrote: »

Yes.

Next question.

I'm not so sure considering the British government are sacrificing peace in Northern Ireland.

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm not so sure considering the British government are sacrificing peace in Northern Ireland.

Here we go again.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

They did a bit but the Brits have never changed their attitude or fixed their ignorance.

steddyeddy

Aegir wrote: »

Here we go again.

I'm afraid polls show that Brexiters would sacrifice peace in Northern Ireland.



https://www.rte.ie/news/player/2018/1009/21444960-brexiteers-in-northern-ireland-willing-to-sacrifice-peace-process-survey/

buried

If everybody killed their television, kept that f**king demented divisive $hitnoisebox totally killed and then got on with what they actually know and what they enjoy themselves on their own volition, the likes of ready brexxxit wouldn't have even happened the first place.

SEPT 23 1989

Nobody over 40 would ask that question

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm afraid polls show that Brexiters would sacrifice peace in Northern Ireland.



https://www.rte.ie/news/player/2018/1009/21444960-brexiteers-in-northern-ireland-willing-to-sacrifice-peace-process-survey/

Brexiteers in Northern Ireland you mean. Let’s not be overly dramatic.

Allinall

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm not so sure considering the British government are sacrificing peace in Northern Ireland.

The only ones that will sacrifice peace in Northern Ireland are the thugs that might start shooting and bombing again.

steddyeddy

Deleted User wrote: »

Undoubtedly, have you seen any 'No Irish need apply' signs recently?

No, but as an Irish man over here I've been asked "whose side are you on" and jokes about the the borders and "paddies" causing trouble have been more common.

steddyeddy

Allinall wrote: »

The only ones that will sacrifice peace in Northern Ireland are the thugs that might start shooting and bombing again.

And the ones who break international treaties which were designed to stop the killing. A treaty which respected both sides.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm not so sure considering the British government are sacrificing peace in Northern Ireland.

No they're not. It's much more likely that republicans will be the one's putting pressure on the peace process.

steddyeddy

Kolton Odd Workaholic wrote: »

No they're not. It's much more likely that republicans will be the one's putting pressure on the peace process.

With all due respect that's stupid. They're sacrificing the Good Friday Agreement for an anti-EU ideology.

Skylinehead

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm not so sure considering the British government are sacrificing peace in Northern Ireland.

So, you're not so sure relations have improved since the "No blacks no Irish" signs, the Troubles, the War of Independence, the Famine, the Penal Laws, the Plantations, Cromwell, and them colonising us in the first place.

Right. :rolleyes:

What a stupid question.

pleas advice

shur didn't they come over here centuries ago and become more Irish than the Irish themselves, and then there was the crowd in the north-east who became more British than the British themselves in the last couple hundred years, just to return the favour

eorpach

Aegir wrote: »

Brexiteers in Northern Ireland you mean. Let’s not be overly dramatic.

Not so. A study by the universitities of Edinburgh and Cardiff showed that Leave voters in England and Wales would, in unprecedented numbers, ditch Northern Ireland to achieve Brexit:

http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/news/view/1319722-mays-precious-union-has-little-support-in-brexit-britain

buried

Going to good gigs and good record shops over in Landaahn town the last year has greatly improved the Anglo-Irish relationship for me anyways, sterling damn near on par with the yoyo and good priced hotel rooms in a large metropolis with a good transport system? I fail to see the downside in all this ready brexit lark in fairness

steddyeddy

Nixonbot wrote: »

So, you're not so sure relations have improved since the "No blacks no Irish" signs, the Troubles, the War of Independence, the Famine, the Penal Laws, the Plantations, Cromwell, and them colonising us in the first place.

Right. :rolleyes:

What a stupid question.

You sound young but there's no need for a response like that. I'm asking a question. I'm living in a country that's becoming increasingly anti-Irish in terms of sentiment and actions. Prehaps I should have asked havr atttudes really changed towards the Irish.

Allinall

steddyeddy wrote: »

You sound young but there's no need for a response like that. I'm asking a question. I'm living in a country that's becoming increasingly anti-Irish in terms of sentiment and actions. Prehaps I should have asked havr atttudes really changed towards the Irish.

Perhaps you shouldn’t be living with people you fell so bitter towards.

Franz Von Peppercorn

pleas advice wrote: »

shur didn't they come over here centuries ago and become more Irish than the Irish themselves, and then there was the crowd in the north-east who became more British than the British themselves in the last couple hundred years, just to return the favour

The latter were always british, the former were French.

Yamanoto

If Stanley Johnson said it, we had better take it seriously.

hatrickpatrick

Anglo-Irish relationships? Well personally, a woman speaking to me in an English accent turns me into a pining puppy 😍

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

With all due respect that's stupid. They're sacrificing the Good Friday Agreement for an anti-EU ideology.

No one is sacrificing the Good Friday agreement though.

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

And the ones who break international treaties which were designed to stop the killing. A treaty which respected both sides.

What treaty has been broken?

Skylinehead

steddyeddy wrote: »

You sound young but there's no need for a response like that. I'm asking a question. I'm living in a country that's becoming increasingly anti-Irish in terms of sentiment and actions. Prehaps I should have asked havr atttudes really changed towards the Irish.

I've actually had relatives interned for no reason in the 70s. So yes, they're MUCH better.

Feisar

steddyeddy wrote: »

Below is Boris' equally priviliged Dad saying let the Irish shoot each other.
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/stanley-johnson-irish-will-shoot-each-other-brexit-news-gmb/

You have to feel sorry for the Unionists, the think the are British, the mainlanders think they are Irish.

368100

I think part of the problem is their media. Irish media covers some UK government developments so we're more aware of whats happening, even before Brexit came along.

British media covers very little Irish Goverment developments, they probably think its not important enough to them, and if they do cover something its usually to take a dig at us.

steddyeddy

Nixonbot wrote: »

I've actually had relatives interned for no reason in the 70s. So yes, they're MUCH better.

My uncle led the Civil rights movement in the North. In his words British attitudes towards the Irish haven't changed as evident by Brexit.

Skylinehead

steddyeddy wrote: »

My uncle led the Civil rights movement in the North. In his words British attitudes towards the Irish haven't changed as evident by Brexit.

You asked if British-Irish relations have improved since unspecified period. Since Brexit, obviously not, since the Troubles? Blatantly, the answer is yes.

steddyeddy

Title changed!

Allinall

Inferior in what way?

Ingenious tactic, doctor title of thread so my polite rebuttal is now an endorsement. Slow hand clap.

CrankyHaus

I've generally not resented the occasional disrespect I've received from British people and focused instead on the good exchanges I've had with them. Maybe I just had low expectations.

Ironically I've found Anglo-Irish types (i live in a part of Dublin with a lot of them) can be very resentful over high handedness from the British. They probably expected better from people they saw as their cousins but who often just see them as Paddies.

Odhinn

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

They did a bit but the Brits have never changed their attitude or fixed their ignorance.

That's because, unlike the Germans, they were never made face up to what exactly it was they were doing.

OldMrBrennan83

Who cares what those cretins think?

Odhinn

Patww79 wrote: »

Who cares what those cretins think?

People who've gone to live there from here, I'd imagine.

Allinall

Patww79 wrote: »

Who cares what those cretins think?

Actually OP, maybe it’s posts like this that give them a feeling of superiority , and theyd be right.

Kermit.de.frog

I wonder what excuse will be used after the ALL IMPORTANT presidential election assuming the government succeeds in keeping out the Sinn Féin hordes

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/935626442888699904

OldMrBrennan83

Allinall wrote: »

Actually OP, maybe it’s posts like this that give them a feeling of superiority , and theyd be right.

Yeah heaven forbid we'd think Johnson and his old man were anything else.

Feisar

The real question is, did we ever stop seeing ourselves as being inferior.

Trainspotting/joking aside, ever notice how some people can command a room and others can't? Pecking order is based on some sort of inherent belief.

I'm afraid the spud picker is an "also ran" in that regard. You have the outliers though. To name a few in sport, you have Roy Keane, he went to Saipan to win, *shudder* Conor McGregor, we're not here to take part, we're here to take over. Tom Crean (not a sport I know, more life and death).

Edgware

I'm sure they would feel superior if they listened in to our Presidential candidates debating the other night.

purplepanda

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm afraid polls show that Brexiters would sacrifice peace in Northern Ireland.



https://www.rte.ie/news/player/2018/1009/21444960-brexiteers-in-northern-ireland-willing-to-sacrifice-peace-process-survey/

There are many facets within Brexit opinion.

Some are English nationalists hence not being bothered about N.I. still being in the union. Opposed to large scale billions of pounds of subsidy been given to N.I. this viewpoint would certainly would like to split from Scotland. Others are old school "conservative" British, usually middle / upper class & see Ireland as being an historical part of that political entity.

Plus you have the far right racist types, some of these often have Irish ancestry & even surnames. Then there is the traditional "Lexit" Bennite left wing Labour / far left socialists who maintain that the EU is an oppressive capitalist organisation.

You even have some of the long standing Afro Caribbean & South Asian communities who voted Brexit as they would prefer less EU immigration balanced by more Commonwealth arrivals. Opinion researchers pollsters even identified council wards in & around West London where the large Asian population was a major factor for voting Brexit.

I even know some West Africans & Jamaicans who voted to leave. They don't see the EU as being relevant to them.

mikemac2

I did a double take when I heard on TV the chairman of the Tory party was named Patrick McLoughlin

Ah come on :pac:

Odhinn

mikemac2 wrote: »

I did a double take when I heard on TV the chairman of the Tory party was named Patrick McLoughlin

Ah come on :pac:

Better sit down for this one

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/how-ira-links-came-back-to-haunt-tory-1.920306


https://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/4045346.IRA_Councillor_welcomed_back_to_Tory_bosom/

fryup

ah sure de luv us.....

(2 min in)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaDjSiuKO-o

Allinall

Allinall wrote: »

Actually OP, maybe it’s posts like this that give them a feeling of superiority , and theyd be right.

It sounds to me as though the OP has a superior complex and has moved to the UK taking that with him, only to discover that no one in England thinks he is superior, just another guy with a chip on his shoulder.

Lose the chip OP and you will find that you are treated no differently to any one else.

Yeah, you might get called a paddy bastard, just like the guy from Scotland gets called a jock bastard, the Londoner a cockney bastard and the Liverpudlian a scours bastard. Stop looking for offense and embrace the country that has given you a job and helped you earn a living and you’ll find life much better.