Value my Leaf

DrPhilG

141 Leaf Tekna (SVE)
55k miles
4 recent tyres
Rear axle replaced by Nissan
Magnetic red

Estimates on what it's worth in private sale?

NIMAN

I'll be watching this closely....mine very similar.

Muscles Schultz

8k. 8.5k on a good day

DrPhilG

6.6kw onboard charger also.

And 1 battery bar lost, just a few weeks ago. 84.5% SOH.

KCross

I’m presuming you are talking about private sale?

My first port of call would be to see what it’s making in the Uk. That’s what will decide the Irish price due to the lack of EVs in this country.

DrPhilG

Doesn't seem to be much to compare with in the UK either.

There's a 14 Tekna for £11k but it's from a dealer.

A 2015 Tekna private sale at £13.5k.

Neither mention the 6.6kw charger.

n97 mini

Put it up for sale on adverts.ie and drop the price periodically till you start getting bites. I would say somewhere between €11 and €12k is realistic.

Pkiernan

What's the real world driving range now you're down a bar?

KCross

2014 Tekna's are asking £9500-£11000 in the UK. So, lets say €11k for someone to go to the UK and bring one back themselves. Cheaper if they go to an auction house, which most people wont do as its too big a risk with an EV out of warranty.

Irl Nissan dealers are asking €13k here

Electric autos have one for €10k here


If ElectricAutos didnt have that one I'd be saying €11k asking price.
They must have got that car at a very good price in a UK auction to be selling for €10k at a profit.

I'd say €10,500 and stick to your guns as you have the 6.6kW charger which should see it sell easier.

NIMAN

Muscles Schultz wrote: »

8k. 8.5k on a good day

I'd hope more than this tbh.

n97 mini

Pkiernan wrote: »

What's the real world driving range now you're down a bar?

There's no sudden loss of range with the loss of a bar. The range drops slowly from new anyway. Probably typical to have 135km range around the time the first bar goes.

KCross

n97 mini wrote: »

Probably typical to have 135km range around the time the first bar goes.

I dont know how you do it!
I dont get anywhere close to that, not to mind after 15% of the battery capacity is gone.

n97 mini

KCross wrote: »

I dont know how you do it!
I dont get anywhere close to that, not to mind after 15% of the battery capacity is gone.

My maths are simple enough. At 100% (brand new) capacity the GOM will show ~160km. First bar goes at 85% capacity. 85% of 160km is ~135km.

NIMAN

n97 mini wrote: »

Probably typical to have 135km range around the time the first bar goes.

Eh?

I have 12 bars on my 141 (never got SOH checked out) and I'd get 70miles/115km at most.

And thats driving in 'B' mode.

DrPhilG

n97 mini wrote: »

There's no sudden loss of range with the loss of a bar. The range drops slowly from new anyway. Probably typical to have 135km range around the time the first bar goes.

Exactly, my range is no different now than it was a month ago.

However 135km range??? Are you thinking I have a 30kwh or do you have a very light foot?

Admittedly I do drive it like I stole it but GOM is normally around 120km and I'd do well to get 100km in this weather.

KCross

n97 mini wrote: »

My maths are simple enough. At 100% (brand new) capacity the GOM will show ~160km. First bar goes at 85% capacity. 85% of 160km is ~135km.

160km in a 24kWh Leaf... you're blowing my mind now!

I dont think thats possible at all unless its all <80km/h.

n97 mini

NIMAN wrote: »

Eh?

I have 12 bars on my 141 (never got SOH checked out) and I'd get 70miles/115km at most.

And thats driving in 'B' mode.

What's your average kw per 100km? I'm guessing you wear similar boots to what my wife wears

NIMAN

I wouldn't drive the Leaf hard at all. Quite the opposite.

Must check out the usage later.

n97 mini

KCross wrote: »

160km in a 24kWh Leaf... you're blowing my mind now!

I dont think thats possible at all unless its all <80km/h.

That's brand new, so it's semi theoretical. Same as L30 will show 200km brand new. Our L24 rarely saw a motorway, so for the first good while after we got it, it would show 160km at 100%. As time went on that dropped. When I sold it, it was around 145-150km at 100%.

n97 mini

NIMAN wrote: »

I wouldn't drive the Leaf hard at all. Quite the opposite.

Must check out the usage later.

Could have a lot of hills either?

KCross

To get 160km out of a 24kWh you need to be getting Ioniq like efficiencies. The Leaf is no Ioniq.

I'm sorry n97 but your figures are not realistic without some serious compromises on speed which isnt how most people drive.

NIMAN

Surely what it shows and what you get are different though?

Often when I go to the LEaf after charging overnight , its showing 130km, but I don't think I'd get that.

Must do a 100% --> 2% sometime to test it, I've never done such a test. Lowest I think I got % down to when monitoring my mileage was 20%. Its from that I guesstimated 70 miles.

n97 mini

KCross wrote: »

To get 160km out of a 24kWh you need to be getting Ioniq like efficiencies. The Leaf is no Ioniq.

I'm sorry n97 but your figures are not realistic without some serious compromises on speed which isnt how most people drive.

Yes, you won't get 160km, as that means driving till the battery is at 0%.

It's all urban driving. Ionic has no advantages over the Leaf at urban speeds. I've said before years of driving the Civic IMA (which gives lots of visual feedback on economy) has me trained into driving efficiently. I keep up with the traffic, but I also anticipate traffic, which is key.

EDIT: I've said before, my daughter has only ever driven my Civic IMA and takes onboard all the visual cues from the car, traffic ahead etc. She actually betters my economy. OTOH my wife usually ignores everything. She accelerates up to red lights!

KCross

n97 mini wrote: »

There's no sudden loss of range with the loss of a bar. The range drops slowly from new anyway. Probably typical to have 135km range around the time the first bar goes.

n97 mini wrote: »

Yes, you won't get 160km, as that means driving till the battery is at 0%.

It's all urban driving. Ionic has no advantages over the Leaf at urban speeds. I've said before years of driving the Civic IMA (which gives lots of visual feedback on economy) has me trained into driving efficiently. I keep up with the traffic, but I also anticipate traffic, which is key.

EDIT: I've said before, my daughter has only ever driven my Civic IMA and takes onboard all the visual cues from the car, traffic ahead etc. She actually betters my economy. OTOH my wife usually ignores everything. She accelerates up to red lights!

I guess Im just countering your comment that its typical to get 135km range from an 11 bar Leaf. It isnt, unless you are hypermiling and all urban driving, which you have clarified, but thats not typical driving.

I would hazard a guess that the vast majority (90%+) would get nowhere near 135km from an 11 bar Leaf.

n97 mini

KCross wrote: »

I guess Im just countering your comment that its typical to get 135km range from an 11 bar Leaf.

I don't think I said typical. But it is possible.

If anyone likes to drive like a rally driver, they won't get good efficiency in any car. This is magnified in the Leaf. Get used to short journeys, or drive more carefully and get better range.

DrPhilG

Are you basing your figures on what you get though, or what your GOM predicts in the morning?

I have never in 3.5 years achieved what the GOM has predicted.

n97 mini

Couldn't tell you. I've never driven from 100% to 0%.

Some maths though about the GOM's thinking. 21kWh usable on a brand new L24. So to get 160km range requires an economy of tad over 13kWh per 100km. You won't get anywhere close to this at higher speeds. Ours was at 13.8kWh per 100km when I sold it.

DrPhilG

I work in miles per kWh. And I average 3.3.

All I know is that my last full to nearly flat journey used 49 miles and had 20% left. And that was hilly roads boot down hard.

That would equate to just over 60 miles, whereas on the BMW i3 I had for a test drive I was getting 110 miles with the same driving style.

Hence the reason I'm selling my Leaf!

Soarer

I don't know how ye're driving lads.

My 2011 Leaf has a SOH of 68%.
Started a 73km journey with 90% SOC, and got home with 29%.

I'm not a funeral director, but neither am I a hoonigan.

Gumbo

All I know is that at 100kmph (indicated) I’ll get 100km on the motorway.
More around town and city driving.

I’ve done 120km but driving slower (85-90kmph).

2014 with 11 bars

NIMAN

DrPhilG wrote: »

I work in miles per kWh. And I average 3.3.

All I know is that my last full to nearly flat journey used 49 miles and had 20% left. And that was hilly roads boot down hard.

That would equate to just over 60 miles, whereas on the BMW i3 I had for a test drive I was getting 110 miles with the same driving style.

Hence the reason I'm selling my Leaf!

This is more what I'm getting, thats why I estimate mine at 70miles.

But as I said, I have never run it from 100% to near zero, so can't say accurately, must try doing that soon to see what I get.

When I get in 1st thing in the morning and see 135km on the dash, I take that with a pinch of salt....in fact I just flat out ignore it.

unkel

KCross wrote: »

To get 160km out of a 24kWh you need to be getting Ioniq like efficiencies. The Leaf is no Ioniq.

I'm sorry n97 but your figures are not realistic without some serious compromises on speed which isnt how most people drive.

Not realistic, but n97_mini can do it, I have no doubt

Electric cars are particularly suitable for hypermiling. Real range of Ioniq is 211km (ADAC), but some dude got 431km and he had 4% left

Surely there is someone out there who has managed well over 200km in a Leaf 24.

unkel

Muscles Schultz wrote: »

8k. 8.5k on a good day

Nonsense.

n97 mini

unkel wrote: »

Not realistic, but n97_mini can do it, I have no doubt

Electric cars are particularly suitable for hypermiling. Real range of Ioniq is 211km (ADAC), but some dude got 431km and he had 4% left

Surely there is someone out there who has managed well over 200km in a Leaf 24.

Our Leaf used do the weekly text to speech thing where it'd tell us our regional rankings and so on. It'd periodally tell us where the best was achieved. I remember one:

"A user in France achieved the best regional economy ranking with 2.2 kw per 100 km"

:O

It helps if you live on top of the Mont Blanc or something and commuted to Chamonix. For example :-)

NIMAN

So have we settled on a value for DrPhil's car yet?

DrPhilG

NIMAN wrote: »

So have we settled on a value for DrPhil's car yet?

I think that got abandoned a while back, lol

ELM327

NIMAN wrote: »

So have we settled on a value for DrPhil's car yet?

€9k max
No one will pay top dollar for a 11/12 bar leaf.
(I know it's nonsense as it's 85.0000% vs 84.9999% but that's not the issue, it's perception)

NIMAN

DrPhilG wrote: »

I think that got abandoned a while back, lol

Time to move the chat out to another thread so, cos it gone way off tangent

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

€9k max

A month ago I would have agreed with that figure. Now, monitoring asking prices and aware of a few deals that fetched higher prices than I anticipated, I wouldn't be surprised if Phil managed to get a 5 figure sum. His location doesn't help though.

DrPhilG

Finally got around to checking out autotrader. Checked the NI page which has very little to compare but the Irish page has a near identical car in Galway, 20k less miles but the rest the same although he doesn't mention 6.6 charger.

He's listed privately at €13k.

Now in fairness its been there a while, but I think the €8-9k estimates are miles off.

Similar cars in dealers are all listed at €12-13k.

I think a listing price of €11k is quite reasonable to be honest.

ELM327

I wish you the best with selling it and hope you get the max possible, really I do, but I can't see it going that high.
Asking prices are not selling prices and some of those 12k+ leafs have been on donedeal for some time

unkel

DrPhilG wrote: »

I think a listing price of €11k is quite reasonable to be honest.

You can try, but if it were me, I'd ask for €10,295 (provided the car is near mint and an SVE / Tekna) and hope for the best. With your location I would take any offer of €9k or above. You might get a bit more. If you have a granny cable, sell it separately

For comparison, Phil has a 142 SVE for sale for €9,950 with brand new 2 year NCT and that's from a respected dealer, with warranty. In what looks like solid (non-metallic) red though, an undesirable colour and only 3.3kW charging - no granny cable

n97 mini

Start at the upper end of what you think it's worth and drop the price periodally until you start getting bites. It's what I did. I was happy with what we got, and I think it represented a fair price.

0lddog

Private sale ? over €5k asking price ?

Now read

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057923116

At least there is no worry about the timing belt

DrPhilG

Well it's up.

https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Nissan/Leaf-E-TEKNA-SVE-5DR-ELECTRIC-6.6kw/201811052139444

Should I list on autotrader too, or is carzone the main one used?

unkel

Donedeal and you might as well go adverts too. Both cheap. GLWS!

DrPhilG

Stuck it on Done Deal too.

NIMAN

Keep us updated with amount of interest DrPhil.

MightyMunster

DrPhilG wrote: »

Well it's up.

https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Nissan/Leaf-E-TEKNA-SVE-5DR-ELECTRIC-6.6kw/201811052139444

Should I list on autotrader too, or is carzone the main one used?

Carzone seems to be used by the dealers and donedeal more for private sales in my (limited) experience..

oinkely

Fwiw, sold a 142 tekna with 6.6 charger this time last year for 12.5 k. Had 48k km if I recall correctly.

Had a lot of interest in it due to tekna spec and 6.6 charger. Also had granny and regular charging cable.

I'd be surprised if you had to settle for anything less than 11.5k now.

In fact I'll be testing that soon as I'll be selling my current one shortly.