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Vauxhall Ampera

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,991 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Watching my Leaf recently go through the NCT test its clear they dont do as many tests on them as ICE. They skipped some of the test stations. <15mins to complete.

    Seems to me they just check lights, horn, seat belts and visual check underneath of suspensions, tyres etc when on the ramp. The rest of the usual tests an ICE gets, are skipped.

    Brake regen probably isnt compatible with their rolling road tests?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    KCross wrote: »
    Brake regen probably isnt compatible with their rolling road tests?

    Hybrids have regen and get the RR test, so...


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    Simona1986 wrote: »
    We had our first NCT on Friday (no issues, valid for two years). The 0ppm readings for emissions really make a mockery of the whole system.

    It's not really. If you look, it's idle emissions they test. So, in that respect it's 100% correct, there are no emissions at idle.

    They probably should be testing more than idle emissions though, as a lot of modern ICE cars will also score zero due to auto stop/start.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,641 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    n97 mini wrote: »
    Hybrids have regen and get the RR test, so...
    Only for parking brake effort, I think service brake effort is tested using an accelerometer or something else. I think the cars might disagree with only two moving wheels, not sure though.
    n97 mini wrote: »
    It's not really. If you look, it's idle emissions they test. So, in that respect it's 100% correct, there are no emissions at idle.

    They probably should be testing more than idle emissions though, as a lot of modern ICE cars will also score zero due to auto stop/start.

    There's a "low" idle (normal idle), but also a "high" idle which is achieved by using the throttle, but they use a device for measuring RPM (connected to battery terminals) which I suspect doesn't work without an alternator (if it's measuring current ripple). Stop/start function is usually trivial to disable in normal ICE cars (button, or disengaging the clutch), but getting a hybrid to idle for the required length of time may require some more specific incantations.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,937 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Only for parking brake effort, I think service brake effort is tested using an accelerometer or something else. I think the cars might disagree with only two moving wheels, not sure though.



    There's a "low" idle (normal idle), but also a "high" idle which is achieved by using the throttle, but they use a device for measuring RPM (connected to battery terminals) which I suspect doesn't work without an alternator (if it's measuring current ripple). Stop/start function is usually trivial to disable in normal ICE cars (button, or disengaging the clutch), but getting a hybrid to idle for the required length of time may require some more specific incantations.


    Even in the cold, with the battery showing as depleted and the screen demister on full, I don't think our prius (which is a classic model from 2008 :P ) would run the ICE for long enough not under load to run the idle tests


    I suspect this is the reason it is not done. Means you could buy the likes of a v6/v8 hybrid lexus and straight pipe it as theres no emissions test


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,641 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    There are methods to keep it idling, as the emissions are tested elsewhere in the world. The problem is how to do it is not standardised. With the Gen 2 Prius there's a sequence of pedal and gear selections that can be done to put it in "inspection mode" for example, which will allow it to idle, but I don't know about other cars. It's not impossible, it just requires more effort, and the NCT testers would need to get OBD-II scanners to see the engine speed (which I don't think they currently have).


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    In the Civic IMA the brake booster is conventional: it uses vacuum from the intake manifold. So pumping the brake pedal a few times will get the ICE to start up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,767 ✭✭✭Alkers


    On the Ampera you can just open the bonnet with the car turned on


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4 vondes


    Just do it


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Here's one for people thinking about an Ampera...myself included.

    I contacted Vauxhall UK about servicing the Ampera in Ireland, and received the following...

    Dear Mr Soarer

    Thank you for your email dated 10th July 2019 to Vauxhall Customer Care, regarding your enquiry.

    I understand you would like further information on how to keep the vehicles warranty maintained and I welcome this opportunity to comment.

    Please be advised, you can have your vehicles servicing completed outside of the Vauxhall network however, please ensure you keep all invoices relating to the service for further reference.

    Further to this, should a concern present itself due to the service not being completed correctly, this can impact the warranty status.

    If you do have any further questions or queries please do not hesitate to contact us via reply email or via telephone 0800 026 0034 quoting your service request number located at the top of this email.

    Again thank you for your email and for allowing me the opportunity to comment.


    So basically, as long as you get the car serviced to Vauxhall's schedule by somebody competent, you should maintain your warranty cover.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    There are some oddball things in the servicing that I'm not sure a generic garage could do, or even a specialist without the right equipment. Changing battery coolant for example.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,641 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    It's just another coolant circuit though, isn't it? As long as they're aware of it, it doesn't seem like anything particularly unusual. The Toyota/Lexus hybrids have separate coolant systems for the inverter but it's the same pink stuff that goes in any other modern ICE.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    I think the coolant needs to be sucked out rather than drained. It's the regular GM coolant, Dexron, afaik.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    Hi guys .I'm just about to purchase ampera .
    You guys have had the ampera.
    Any pros and cons to watch out for.
    Cheers


  • Registered Users Posts: 619 ✭✭✭slicedpanman


    Nothing that I can think of... Other than to know (you probably already do) of its a my12 (no arm rest) or 13 (arm rest between back seats)

    Well wear... Out of interest what price are you paying?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    Nothing that I can think of... Other than to know (you probably already do) of its a my12 (no arm rest) or 13 (arm rest between back seats)

    Well wear... Out of interest what price are you paying?
    Cheers
    Was 2 mins about buying it because of if anything needs replacing but I guess I can get parts from north.
    Its 2014 reg Electron in grey for 14k
    94k miles on clock


  • Registered Users Posts: 64,281 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Cheers
    Was 2 mins about buying it because of if anything needs replacing but I guess I can get parts from north.
    Its 2014 reg Electron in grey for 14k
    94k miles on clock

    That's not cheap!

    Here's a '14 for under £8k, would cost you less than €9k to land here + €400 VRT

    Linky


    And that's the sticker price. No doubt you can get a bit of money off for a cash deal


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    unkel wrote: »
    That's not cheap!

    Here's a '14 for under £8k, would cost you less than €9k to land here + €400 VRT

    Linky


    And that's the sticker price. No doubt you can get a bit of money off for a cash deal

    I'm stuck between this ampera and nissan juke full spec
    Got better deal on ik nissan juke. You either like them or hate them


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    Any ampera coming into country making this money. I dont have time to go to uk I'm afraid. I work 6 days a week...
    Only thing put me off ampera is if it breaks down .not like another car where easy to get parts .
    It's a hard one .
    Herself saying where you get parts.
    I noticed some basic stuff I can get like pads .oil etc as the petrol engine out of corsa .I have a guy who works on Toyota hybrids .I ask him tomorrow.
    I'm to pickup this weekend if I want it .
    That's why I was asking any issues any had as some of you have it almost a year.
    What's it like in icey roads etc
    It says 2014 but did a vin check and come up 2012


  • Registered Users Posts: 619 ✭✭✭slicedpanman


    It says 2014 but did a vin check and come up 2012

    You have no arm ready in the back then, same as mine. I've a 2012 made car that wasn't registered till 15, yours was made in 12 too but not sure/regd till 14

    As for parts to on to Mick's garage and set you car as an Ampera and see what they have available... Pretty much everything apart from the HV/battery related parts


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  • Registered Users Posts: 64,281 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I dont have time to go to uk I'm afraid. I work 6 days a week...

    Last time I brought a car in from the UK I had a flight out at 19:30 in the evening and I was back home with the car at 11:00 the next morning

    Of course you can make time if that saves you 4 grand on a car. Take a morning off.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,767 ✭✭✭Alkers


    unkel wrote: »
    That's not cheap!

    Agreed, we paid 9k for ours, 2012 model though.

    They're a brilliant car, highly recommended


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,937 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    that's too expensive
    I woudlnt bother with the hassle myself if it was for a couple of k but you've almost doubled the price of the car


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    unkel wrote: »
    Last time I brought a car in from the UK I had a flight out at 19:30 in the evening and I was back home with the car at 11:00 the next morning

    Im in a job that only 3 of us can do and o e is out sick so loads of overtime .Of course you can make time if that saves you 4 grand on a car. Take a taking time off at moment is impossible as half staff out sick. Believe me .I would if I could. In January I could but not till then


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    ELM327 wrote: »
    that's too expensive
    I woudlnt bother with the hassle myself if it was for a couple of k but you've almost doubled the price of the car

    It's a very nice car in good condition. I had a friend mechanic look at it. Mileage is 95k miles not sure if good or bad.
    I'm only put off if something goes wrong with that mileage. Maybe I'm being over cautious


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Cheers
    Was 2 mins about buying it because of if anything needs replacing but I guess I can get parts from north.
    Its 2014 reg Electron in grey for 14k
    94k miles on clock

    :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Soarer


    I dont have time to go to uk I'm afraid. I work 6 days a week...

    Can you not go over on your day off?

    I know I would if it was saving me thousands.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    Soarer wrote: »
    Can you not go over on your day off?

    I know I would if it was saving me thousands.

    Only way I can get day off is next January. I'm up the bloody walls with work.timing is scrap.
    Maybe I can get day off middle of January.
    What's your thoughts on parts sourcing and issues in next 5 plus years.

    I know resale value on ampera is going to be crap.most dealers will run inside there but if they saw ampera coming as trade in.im expecting that.

    What are common faults .I read somewhere in uk forums about solenoid issue

    Going by vin was first registered in mid 2014 like july but if I break down vin .was made in 2012 not sure if good or bad


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Only way I can get day off is next January. I'm up the bloody walls with work.timing is scrap.
    Maybe I can get day off middle of January.
    What's your thoughts on parts sourcing and issues in next 5 plus years.

    I know resale value on ampera is going to be crap.most dealers will run inside there but if they saw ampera coming as trade in.im expecting that.

    What are common faults .I read somewhere in uk forums about solenoid issue

    Going by vin was first registered in mid 2014 like july but if I break down vin .was made in 2012 not sure if good or bad

    You said you work 6 days a week. Why not travel over on the 7th?
    Known faults? Haven't a clue. Have a look on the SpeakEV forum.
    There are two versions of the Ampera, MY12 and MY13. Obviously the MY13 is the newer version. The easiest way to tell the difference is between the two rear seats. The MY12 has cupholders, whereas the MY13 has an arm rest and cupholders.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    Soarer wrote: »
    You said you work 6 days a week. Why not travel over on the 7th?
    Known faults? Haven't a clue. Have a look on the SpeakEV forum.
    There are two versions of the Ampera, MY12 and MY13. Obviously the MY13 is the newer version. The easiest way to tell the difference is between the two rear seats. The MY12 has cupholders, whereas the MY13 has an arm rest and cupholders.
    Has arm rest and cup holders


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