Sexual Assault Victims are now "Survivors"

Kermit.de.frog

Like the Jews in the Nazi concentration camps I guess?


This term is loaded but it's used routinely now in US media to describe victims of sex assault since #metoo. This tactic was taken up here with the Catholic Church as well. Victims were "survivors" or something like they were going to be killed.

I know it's a cruel and deeply hurtful, damaging thing but "survivor"???

Sonics2k

Oh hey, we absolutely need yet another thread full of the usual victim blaming, shaming and name-calling.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Yes, survivor is better than victim. Can you imagine trying to live your life, or survive, when you’ve been completely violated?

Hoboo

Sonics2k wrote: »

Oh hey, we absolutely need yet another thread full of the usual victim blaming, shaming and name-calling.

Survivor blaming, shaming and name calling.

amcalester

Godwin'd your own thread in the OP, nice work.

Donald Trump

You're right OP

Not all of them are survivors.

Some of them died


Not sure why you have issue with that though

Graces7

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Like the Jews in the Nazi concentration camps I guess?


This term is loaded but it's used routinely now in US media to describe victims of sex assault since #metoo. This tactic was taken up here with the Catholic Church as well. Victims were "survivors" or something like they were going to be killed.

I know it's a cruel and deeply hurtful, damaging thing but "survivor"???

Yes. Sexual assualt damages deeply and many never get over it. Suicide rates ae high and those who live often live depleted and damaged lives,

Please do not downplay this as that is deeply insulting and insenstive. So yes, survivors is the right word.

Kermit.de.frog

Sonics2k wrote: »

Oh hey, we absolutely need yet another thread full of the usual victim blaming, shaming and name-calling.

I think bull**** should be called out to be honest.

super_furry

Christ of all the things to get annoyed about on a Monday morning.

You hear that people who have lived through cancer are calling themselves survivors too? The pricks.

Nice to see the whole thing Godwin'ed in six words though.

Donald Trump

As with most of the world's problems, we must blame Beyonce

Edward M

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Like the Jews in the Nazi concentration camps I guess?


This term is loaded but it's used routinely now in US media to describe victims of sex assault since #metoo. This tactic was taken up here with the Catholic Church as well. Victims were "survivors" or something like they were going to be killed.

I know it's a cruel and deeply hurtful, damaging thing but "survivor"???

Sure, sexual, physical or mental abuse are all basically bullying abuse in serious form.
The victims can feel oppressed, depressed and worthless, anyone who comes through and out of those situations are survivors.
There can be worse things than dying in peoples lives.
The world is full of survivors of one thing or another, even their own personal abuse as well.

sbsquarepants

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think bull**** should be called out to be honest.

So do I.

You're talking bullshít Kermit!

Kermit.de.frog

Graces7 wrote: »

Yes. Sexual assualt damages deeply and many never get over it. Suicide rates ae high and those who live often live depleted and damaged lives,

Please do not downplay this as that is deeply insulting and insenstive. So yes, survivors is the right word.

Ok.

If I accidentally or purposely touch a woman's knee is she a "survivor" because the latter is sexual assault today and the former can be said to be assault?

How is she a "survivor"?

super_furry

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ok.

If I accidentally or purposely touch a woman's knee is she a "survivor" because the latter is sexual assault today and the former can be said to be assault.

How is she a "survivor"?

Seriously man, you should just step away from the keyboard for a few minutes and have a word with yourself.

seamus

You're obsessed with this topic Kermit.

Did you know that a man is more likely to be a victim of rape than a victim of a false allegation?

Kermit.de.frog

super_furry wrote: »

Seriously man, you should just step away from the keyboard for a few minutes and have a word with yourself.

Can't answer the question? That's ok. You have verified my point for me.

Clearly the person has not "survived" the experience.

rizzodun

I think OP maybe your problem is what is deemed sexual assault.

Whether or not the #metoo movement is good or bad, there is real victims of serious sexual assaults going through their lives every day living with that experience, and yes, they're surviving. There has been others or decided life wasn't worth living.

Don't be such a dick.

One eyed Jack

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Like the Jews in the Nazi concentration camps I guess?


This term is loaded but it's used routinely now in US media to describe victims of sex assault since #metoo. This tactic was taken up here with the Catholic Church as well. Victims were "survivors" or something like they were going to be killed.

I know it's a cruel and deeply hurtful, damaging thing but "survivor"???

The term was used a long time before metoo, or the Catholic Church abuse in the 90’s, or even before the Concentration camps?

I don’t particularly care one way or the other for either term myself. I find them equally patronising as each other.

Kermit.de.frog

seamus wrote: »

You're obsessed with this topic Kermit.

Did you know that a man is more likely to be a victim of rape than a victim of a false allegation?

Irrelevant even if true. Thread is not about that.

The thread is about the use of the term "survivor".

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Like the Jews in the Nazi concentration camps I guess?


This term is loaded but it's used routinely now in US media to describe victims of sex assault since #metoo. This tactic was taken up here with the Catholic Church as well. Victims were "survivors" or something like they were going to be killed.

I know it's a cruel and deeply hurtful, damaging thing but "survivor"???

Heavy-handed, and insensitive comparison. You're only attempting to stir the pot.

Wibbs

seamus wrote: »

Did you know that a man is more likely to be a victim of rape than a victim of a false allegation?

That's pure supposition S. The stats on both are opaque to say the least.

sbsquarepants

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Can't answer the question? That's ok. You have verified my point for me.

Clearly the person has not "survived" the experience.

Have you been drinking all night or what?

No, Kermit - survivior might be a bit strong for a lady who's knee you accidentally brushed off!

Kermit.de.frog

Deleted User wrote: »

Heavy-handed, and insensitive comparison. You're only attempting to stir the pot.

No. The term is used on purpose to give false equivalence in left wing media.

Call a spade a spade. They know exactly what they are doing when the term "survivor" is used and they don't care about the context or factual nature of the term. It's for the emotional impact.

Edward M

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Can't answer the question? That's ok. You have verified my point for me.

Clearly the person has not "survived" the experience.

You're talking about something that has not happened though.
If a sexual or physical assault hasn't happened, then regardless of the judgement on it, that person is not a survivor of course, but the accused then becomes the victim of a type of abuse themselves. They can then become a survivor of that.
But anyone who has at anytime ever been abused in any form is a survivor.
If you want to talk of false allegations and how they can affect the accused then that's different.
But don't demean the survivors of abuse by trying to bring them down in some way to prove a point that actually has nothing to do with actual survivors.

The Bishop Basher

Edward M wrote: »

There can be worse things than dying in peoples lives.

Completely agree..

Walk into any spinal unit or stroke ward and you’ll see it..

OP - I understand your point and I fluckin hate the bull**** we all have to listen to today but I think you picked the wrong battle here..

Graces7

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think bull**** should be called out to be honest.

I think you need to explain what you mean by this comment . Before ...

PlaneSpeeking

seamus wrote: »

You're obsessed with this topic Kermit.

Did you know that a man is more likely to be a victim of rape than a victim of a false allegation?

Source please.

Graces7

Deleted User wrote: »

Heavy-handed, and insensitive comparison. You're only attempting to stir the pot.

Yaaaawn.. yep so obvious not worth reading.. bye! PS yes a survivor here

dav3

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

No. The term is used on purpose to give false equivalence in left wing media.

Call a spade a spade. They know exactly what they are doing when the term "survivor" is used and they don't care about the context or factual nature of the term. It's for the emotional impact.

You are the one who brought the survivors of abuse by the catholic church into the debate, nobody else. Many of these people who suffered abuse refer to themselves as 'survivors'.

Let's make it clear to you and your little gang. Nobody cares about you lads getting riled up by some youtuber telling you how terrible women are and how there are no such thing as "survivors" when it comes to abuse. People have every right to mock you and challenge you.

For whatever reason, today you decided you were so angry with survivors of clerical abuse that you'd embarrass yourself by creating a thread about it on boards.

Kermit.de.frog

dav3 wrote: »

You are the one who brought the survivors of abuse by the catholic church into the debate

How many were at risk of imminent death? Facts and statistics please.

I'm not saying they did not experience horrible violation and all that comes after that.

I take issue with the misuse and abuse of the term "survivor" following the #metoo movement.

It is not an accurate term.

jmayo

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ok.

If I accidentally or purposely touch a woman's knee is she a "survivor" because the latter is sexual assault today and the former can be said to be assault?

How is she a "survivor"?

Whilst I agree that there can be a lot of lunacy now where some eejits nearly equate someones knee being felt or someones ass being pinched in a nightclub to the much much worse violations and attacks.
I think it demeans the awful assaults.

But I think there is no more apt word to describe someone like the former inmates of the magdalene laundries, the boys that went through the abuse in the likes of Artane, the women who have managed to escape being sold into sexual slavery throughout the world, the women who have been brutally raped and beaten.

All of these have to live with the torment and not alone the physical scars, but the mental scars for the rest of their lives.

And it is especially sad when it has been a child whose innocence has been stolen from them in the most brutal evil fashion.
They have to learn to survive and sadly some don't manage it.

Hoboo

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How many were at risk of imminent death? Facts and statistics please.

I'm not saying they did not experience horrible violation and all that comes after that.

I take issue with the misuse and abuse of the term "survivor" following the #metoo movement.

It is not an accurate term.

Meanings of words change. Marriage is another example.

Captain Obvious

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Like the Jews in the Nazi concentration camps I guess?


This term is loaded but it's used routinely now in US media to describe victims of sex assault since #metoo. This tactic was taken up here with the Catholic Church as well. Victims were "survivors" or something like they were going to be killed.

I know it's a cruel and deeply hurtful, damaging thing but "survivor"???

What is wrong with you?

Billy Mays

Imagine getting riled up about the victims of sexual assault being described as survivors

seamus

Wibbs wrote: »

That's pure supposition S. The stats on both are opaque to say the least.

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Source please.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-men-are-more-likely-to-be-raped-than-be-falsely-accused-of-rape

"Supposition" is playing it down to make the pretense that both are equally uncertain.

They're not. What we do know is that the proportion of men known to have been raped in a given year outstrips even the number of men brought to court on rape charges.

The number of false claims is barely even a blip in any statistics.

The only way the statement would be untrue or opaque is if there were thousands of false rape claims every year just hanging out there, that nobody is talking about.

looksee

Maybe you should take this discussion to the English forum, you will have the term explained to you there.

dav3

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How many were at risk of imminent death? Facts and statistics please.

I'm not saying they did not experience horrible violation and all that comes after that.

I take issue with the misuse and abuse of the term "survivor" following the #metoo movement.

It is not an accurate term.

No we're not doing that, you need to educate yourself. People are wasting enough of their own valuable time as it is replying to you.

Kermit.de.frog

looksee wrote: »

Maybe you should take this discussion to the English forum, you will have the term explained to you there.

I think everyone knows the meaning of the term "survivor".

Further most don't buy it which is the strange thing about it.

By the left wing media using the term over and over it debases and cheapens it until no one bats an eyelid which does not achieve anything in the end.

Hurrache

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Like the Jews in the Nazi concentration camps I guess?


This term is loaded but it's used routinely now in US media to describe victims of sex assault since #metoo.

Don't know where you've been but it's a term used a long time before MeToo enraged you.

Massive facepalm to the mass murder comparison analogy though.

RustyNut

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

looksee wrote: »

Maybe you should take this discussion to the English forum, you will have the term explained to you there.

I think everyone knows the meaning of the term "survivor".

Further most don't buy it which is the strange thing about it.

Who appointed you to speak for most people?

Kermit.de.frog

Hurrache wrote: »

Don't know where you've been but it's a term used a long time before MeToo enraged you.

Massive facepalm to the mass murder comparison analogy though.

Not really.


I have won the argument already.

They have no argument based on fact - only misplaced group-think emotion.

sbsquarepants

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Further most don't buy it which is the strange thing about it.

You seem to be making the fairly common mistake of confusing what "you" think, with what "most" think.

Of all the things I've seen people get their knickers in a twist over, this has got to be one of the most pathetic I think

seamus

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think everyone knows the meaning of the term "survivor".

Yes, everyone except you, apparently.

lawred2

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Like the Jews in the Nazi concentration camps I guess?


This term is loaded but it's used routinely now in US media to describe victims of sex assault since #metoo. This tactic was taken up here with the Catholic Church as well. Victims were "survivors" or something like they were going to be killed.

I know it's a cruel and deeply hurtful, damaging thing but "survivor"???

ah ffs Kermit

sbsquarepants

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I have won the argument already.
.

Good lad - you sure showed them survivors victims!

Now, what's next on the agenda

Grayditch

This is a sh1tty thing to use to troll.

Kermit.de.frog

The argument is already won. Nobody can supply a fact based argument - it's all emotion.

The term "survivor" is not applicable here except to the most horrendous cases where the person's life is at risk.

Yet the term is thrown around applicable to all apparently. This debases it and it is done on purpose.

super_furry

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Not really.


I have won the argument already.

They have no argument based on fact - only misplaced group-think emotion.

Great well done, Mr Spock, your Vulcan powers are strong. You can make a nice little badge for yourself too something like 'Chief Rape Argument Winner' and settle in for a nice day of telling people who have been raped, sexually assaulted just how they should act and the exact language you're allowing them to use today.

jp101

From the Cambridge Dictionary

Survive - to continue to live or exist, especially after coming close to dying or being destroyed or after being in a difficult or threatening situation:
Examples
The baby was born with a heart problem and only survived for a few hours.
These plants cannot survive in very cold conditions.
None of Shakespeare's plays survives in its original manuscript form.
The family are struggling to survive on very little money.
The front passengers were lucky to survive the accident.
The chairman of the board succeeded in surviving the challenge to his authority.


The use of the term seems perfectly reasonable to use in this context.

Hurrache

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I have won the argument already.

seamus

Well done Kermit. You sure showed those rape victims who's boss.

If there's anyone who's been getting too big for their boots, it's rape victims.

Go home there and tell your Mammy what you did, she'll be so proud.

I think you should go for the "survivors" of the Magdalene Launderies next. Sure, when were they ever at risk? A bit of hard work never hurt anyone.

They definitely have notions about themselves and need to be taken down a peg or two. I believe in you, Kermit.