Budget 2019

Hurrache

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

2.5 billion.

That money is the money people wanted back in tax cuts.

Again let me ask you, who's moaning about the housing measures?

Wheeliebin30

a1h2qdwbviu98o wrote: »

I don't think the people said that. I think a few politicians said it. The people in general are not concerned about homelessness. This is a mistake that FF are making.

Didn’t a poll a few weeks back say 50% of people would prefer the money spent on housing than tax cuts in this budget?

NIMAN

Did I hear Leo on the News At 9 say they plan to build 15,000 homes next year? (can't remember if it was 15000 or more but it was definitely around that figure)

Now isn't there 10000 homeless?

Considering that includes families of at least 2 or more people, does this mean that homelessness crisis will be ended once these houses are Allocated?

lawred2

hurler32 wrote: »

It’s a good budget for those on social welfare seems to be the main message ... pavee point though reckon 5 euro of an increase is not adequate for those on social welfare ffs where will it all end ??

Of course they don't..

Wheeliebin30

NIMAN wrote: »

Did I hear Leo on the News At 9 say they plan to build 15,000 homes next year? (can't remember if it was 15000 or more but it was definitely around that figure)

Now isn't there 10000 homeless?

Considering that includes families of at least 2 or more people, does this mean that homelessness crisis will be ended once these houses are Allocated?

Once you house the homeless the next morning another 10,000 will rock up the next morning suddenly “homeless”

Amirani

I don't see why people think we should be getting tax reductions in general, or welfare increases. Economy is booming and the last thing it needs is more stimulus, so tax cuts and increases in current spending are a bad idea. Spend on important infrastructure and cover necessary spending increases and start running balanced budgets/surpluses. We have a potential Brexit next year, so there's that to think about too.

Budget in general did that - it's pretty balanced and most of the crucial areas were covered pretty well (housing/health). Rainy day fund is useful. The optics of welfare universally getting an increase above certain workers is bad admittedly, and I don't think it should've happened.

It's not a giveaway budget or an election budget and neither should it have been. The fact that people on the right are moaning about not getting enough tax cuts and people on the left are moaning about not getting enough spending increases is probably a good sign.

jay0109

If we don't get tax reductions they'll just burn it on more waste in Health or Education etc. And they'll always raise welfare.
So therefore, people who work are annoyed at such a crap budget

lawred2

16 fuc(ing billion on healthcare

It's a runaway train that is going to ultimately sink this state

tayto lover

It Annoys me that there is more thought of a waster who lies in bed all morning and who never worked and never will than the man who gets up every morning and goes to work in all weathers.
That's what annoys me.

NIMAN

lawred2 wrote: »

16 fuc(ing billion on healthcare

It's a runaway train that is going to ultimately sink this state

Welfare is a few billion more than that.

jay0109

lawred2 wrote: »

16 fuc(ing billion on healthcare

It's a runaway train that is going to ultimately sink this state

17bn on healthcare actually. And they'll still probably overspend

tobsey

Sleepy wrote: »

Why are they bandying around the €5 a week figure. In reality, most on welfare have dependents, so thus there'll be a combination of:

€5 for the main claimant (198 -> 203)
€3.30 for a spouse / partner (131.4 -> 134.7)
€2.20 for each child under 12 (31.8 -> 34)
and €5.20 for each child over 12 (31.8 - 37)

For the "average" family of Mother, Father and two kids, that works out to €15.70 pw increase
A single parent with two kids works out to a 12.40 p/w increase

Adding the Christmas bonus (of a full weeks payments at €408.70) the nuclear family on welfare is seeing an increase of €23.48 p/w (or €1,221.10 per annum) after Budget 2019 while the single parent family with two kids on welfare (with a bonus payment of €274) is actually seeing an increase of €17.66.

This isn't a budget for the "squeezed middle", it's a budget for welfare recipients.

A single income family of the same nuclear makeup now needs an after-tax salary of €21,661.10 to match their unemployment benefits. Add in HAP/Social Housing and ancilliaries (back to school allowance etc) and it's making a mockery of anyone trying to raise a family on less than €50k per annum.

EDIT: Corrected the increase to account for chasm's correct RE dependent benefit increase being €3.30 rather than €5

The working family taking home €21k would be getting about €120 a week under the Working Family Payment so the welfare system is looking after them too.

To all those moaning that people on the dole are getting more than you, if you can’t increase your earnings by more than €5 net a week through a pay rise or switching jobs then you’ve nobody to blame but yourself. Someone earning €30k would need a raise of about 1%. You should be looking for more than that.

blanch152

Hurrache wrote: »

Again let me ask you, who's moaning about the housing measures?

Ruth Coppinger

Hurrache

blanch152 wrote: »

Ruth Coppinger

She's not on this thread though, or do you know her secret user name?

Hurrache

tobsey wrote: »

To all those moaning that people on the dole are getting more than you, if you can’t increase your earnings by more than €5 net a week through a pay rise or switching jobs then you’ve nobody to blame but yourself. Someone earning €30k would need a raise of about 1%. You should be looking for more than that.

None of this is relevant to the points being made though.

It's the same as saying that there should be no housing budget, all those unable to afford one should get a high flying job in order to do so, or those on the dole should just get a job full stop.

You homeless or relying on welfare payments, you've nobody to blame but yourself.

See how silly your argument is?

splashuum

Quin_Dub wrote: »

It should certainly be taxed at at least the same level as tourism - I don't think 13.5% should be a problem for anyone on gambling..

This tax is charged to gambling companies i.e Paddy Power etc.
Alot of people are wrongly thinking its related to the taxation of punters.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

What used we talk about before homelessness? Can anyone explain the definition of homelessness?

vickers209

Currently earning 30k per year married with one child single income with full med card.

Ive worked last 20 years never set foot inside a dole office thank god.
Im up at 6am 6 days a week and out working till 7 to 8 most evenings.

ive just checked the calculator and il be better off by 0 next year!

Il never own my own house yet im paying majorty of my wages on crazy rent prices.
have paid nearly 100k over last 10 years.
yet i dont earn enough for morgatage!

After a budget like that il be better off giving up work joining the dole and get on housing list and i might get ons of those 10000 council houses
i would have a better quailty of life and get to spend more time with my child and get a christmas bonus!

tobsey

Hurrache wrote: »

None of this is relevant to the points being made though.

It's the same as saying that there should be no housing budget, all those unable to afford one should get a high flying job in order to do so, or those on the dole should just get a job full stop.

You homeless or relying on welfare payments, you've nobody to blame but yourself.

See how silly your argument is?

It is very relevant. The government are giving the extra €5 a week because most employed people are getting increases greater than that. If those employed people lose their jobs then they will be glad of the extra €5 since they were used to their salary. Not all people gaining this €5 are long term wasters.

The welfare state exists to help all those examples you’ve given, i’m not saying it shouldn’t do so. But workers should be increasing their income more than that €5 a week and that’s what the government expects.

Hitman3000

a1h2qdwbviu98o wrote:

What used we talk about before homelessness? Can anyone explain the definition of homelessness?

Section 2 the housing act 1988.

blanch152

tobsey wrote: »

It is very relevant. The government are giving the extra €5 a week because most employed people are getting increases greater than that. If those employed people lose their jobs then they will be glad of the extra €5 since they were used to their salary. Not all people gaining this €5 are long term wasters.

The welfare state exists to help all those examples you’ve given, i’m not saying it shouldn’t do so. But workers should be increasing their income more than that €5 a week and that’s what the government expects.

You have made a ridiculous point that those with jobs should change jobs to get an increase in pay, but that people on social welfare should be allowed sit on their arse to get the same or better increase?

Do you not realise that a better solution would be to increase the incentive to work.

blanch152

This is the kind of budget you get from new politics.

The idiots in the Independent Alliance prevented a carbon tax increase.

The idiots in Fianna Fail, primarily the biggest idiot from Limerick insisted on a €5 welfare increase.

The baying mob in the streets demanded action on housing.

FG stupidly delivered on all of these demands, leaving nothing or close to nothing for those who actually work in this country.

VonZan

tobsey wrote: »

The working family taking home €21k would be getting about €120 a week under the Working Family Payment so the welfare system is looking after them too.

To all those moaning that people on the dole are getting more than you, if you can’t increase your earnings by more than €5 net a week through a pay rise or switching jobs then you’ve nobody to blame but yourself. Someone earning €30k would need a raise of about 1%. You should be looking for more than that.

Ah but that's the problem. There should be nothing wrong with earning €20-30k in this country. The problem with giving away money is that it drives up the cost of living for those of us that bother to go to work each week. It drives inflation so I'm not sure why you think people shouldn't be bothered moaning about the state handing out money to people for nothing in return.

You can see why some young people are moving towards socialism as the answer. The government needs to wake up and stop making this country unaffordable for low and middle income earners.

Hurrache

tobsey wrote: »

It is very relevant. The government are giving the extra €5 a week because most employed people are getting increases greater than that.

They are? So you'd like to see means testing come in? Don't get the fiver, you get it in tax relief, don't get a job, sure we'll give you more money.

You want social welfare indexed linked to wages?

n!ghtmancometh

Inexplicable 100% mortgage relief for landlords and an actual affordable housing budget increase of a paltry 14 million. FG looking after their own as usual. Disgusting.

Amirani

n!ghtmancometh wrote: »

Inexplicable 100% mortgage relief for landlords and an actual affordable housing budget increase of a paltry 14 million. FG looking after their own as usual. Disgusting.

That's not the case.

nc6000

So we now have 15,000 new houses on the horizon, is this correct?

We'll all be here in 12 months discussing budget 2020 and wondering what ever happened to the houses they said were going to be built.

Ha Long Bay

I think the government could have sent out a message by instead of increasing the Jobseeker's Allowance and double the Jobseeker's Benefit increase to reward people who have paid into the system and are using it like its designed as a safety net. It could have started the debate around social welfare reform.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

North Dublin, Fingal in particular, is one large building site at the moment. I must pass about 10-15 housing developments on my commute. The biggest problem I see is the infrastructure is not being built or upgraded to accommodate all the new developments. Narrow roads with hundreds of houses being built around them, little or no cycle lanes, no bus routes etc. Absolutely crazy stuff.

nc6000 wrote: »

So we now have 15,000 new houses on the horizon, is this correct?

We'll all be here in 12 months discussing budget 2020 and wondering what ever happened to the houses they said were going to be built.

McMurphy

I noted that excise on alcohol wasn't increased today, yet the cretins in govt (after more than 1000 days debate) passed a bill to introduce MUP.

Now, bearing in mind that the last FG led govt had , in its manifesto that they wanted to introduce MUP in order to help the viability of the pub trade, I think that tells anyone who cares what the real purpose of the MUP was designed to do.

Health reasons?

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