Kodiaq vRS.

vectra

So, who would be up for one of these?
I know some people would say "Vrs" and "SUV" should not be on the same vehicle, but as a past Octavia vRS x3 owner, I quite like it, I suppose the retail on one of them will put paid to buying one.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/paris-motor-show/237bhp-skoda-kodiaq-vrs-last

Paddy@CIRL

I think it looks great, have no issue with the RS (it's only vRS in the UK due to a dispute with Ford) designation on an SUV but only being offered with a diesel is a huge let down.

tossy

i presume at that bhp it's the Bi turbo tdi so plenty of scope for mapping.

Mitch Connor

My plan is for my next car to be an Octavia vRS (second hand), but if I had the cash I would absolutely go for one of these.

Love the look of the standard Kodiaq, a neighbor has one and I give it an envious look every time I walk past.

vectra

Paddy@CIRL wrote: »

I think it looks great, have no issue with the RS (it's only vRS in the UK due to a dispute with Ford) designation on an SUV but only being offered with a diesel is a huge let down.

Yeah, I understand the RS~vRS thing.
I suppose if petrol is the objective, then the Cupra Ateca would be the one,?
Though I much prefer the looks of the Kodiaq,
I also would be a bit "Old school" with petrol engine in an SUV would be not a great mix of things if MPG was important.

Maybe these newer engines would handle that situation much more efficiently.

vectra

Mitch Connor wrote: »

My plan is for my next car to be an Octavia vRS (second hand), but if I had the cash I would absolutely go for one of these.

Love the look of the standard Kodiaq, a neighbor has one and I give it an envious look every time I walk past.

Which model vRS would you go for?
It was the MK2 FL models I had and loved them,
Never did fall for the Mk3 looks.

Neilw

How much is it compared to the Tiguan 240?

vectra

Neilw wrote: »

How much is it compared to the Tiguan 240?

No idea of prices yet, But somewhere in the UK it was said that this would/could/should be coming in at just below entry level Q5
Which is cheaper than the Tig 240.
I am thinking 50+K

ShadowHearth

I am surprised its diesel. Considering all off the stuff coming out now is petrol or hybrid.
Rumours go that next seat cupras might be hybrids and thats what I am really excited about.

Sporty suvs are not my thing. And this does nothing for me personally. Unfortunately market shifted from hatchbacks to suv/crossovers, so sporty version is made too.

I bet this thing will be very expensive.

tw0nk

How does this compare against the Kia Sorento GT? The engine will be faster for sure but specs would need to match too.

JoeA3

Honestly think this is quite a pointless car.

colm_mcm

JoeA3 wrote: »

Honestly think this is quite a pointless car.

Halo model. They’ve done the sums.

Cookie_Monster

S0 RS goes from GTI equiv to R-Line then basically?

punisher5112

I just love blue, vRS blue nicest colour ever....

Love my petrol one, sounds deadly and keeps going.

vectra

JoeA3 wrote: »

Honestly think this is quite a pointless car.

Not nitpicking or anything,
But the same could be said for the Octavia vRS diesel and the GTD Golf,
Among many others.
The way I see it is, all these models have decent enough performance levels for Joe soap,
They are also stylish enough for members of the public that like the looks of them.
I bet they will sell very well which makes them the opposite of what you suggest.
Which in turn will make Skoda a very happy camp.

JJJJNR

If it was a hybrid petrol with GTI bhp it would be interesting but another diesel.. nah.!

vectra

JJJJNR wrote: »

If it was a hybrid petrol with GTI bhp it would be interesting but another diesel.. nah.![/QUOTE

I can only assume a hybrid of some form will follow along the way the market is heading?
Especially as their will be a 300bhp Cupra Ateca along soon enough.

tw0nk

tw0nk wrote: »

How does this compare against the Kia Sorento GT? The engine will be faster for sure but specs would need to match too.

I've a Sorento, the GT is just a specline I think. they are all 200bhp. The VRs would eat it at 237bhp 0-62mph in 7 seconds flat and a top speed of 138mph.

The Sorento is ...
Top speed 127Mph
0–62 9.00s
Engine capacity 2,199cc
Transmission Manual
Engine Power - BHP 197bhp

JJJJNR

There going the right direction with this.



https://www.topgear.com/car-news/concept/skoda-vision-rs-242bhp-hybrid-hot-hatch

Mitch Connor

vectra wrote: »

Which model vRS would you go for?
It was the MK2 FL models I had and loved them,
Never did fall for the Mk3 looks.

MK3, love the look of it myself

cpoh1

vectra wrote: »

Not nitpicking or anything,

But the same could be said for the Octavia vRS diesel and the GTD Golf,

Is the vRS brand with Skoda not just a standard family saloon with the higher spec engine that the better marque VAG equivalent variants already carry? e.g. the octavia vrs diesel had the same engine as the passat cc gt170 and A4/A5/A6.
Just always bemuses me why these models are considered performance or sporty in that context.

punisher5112

cpoh1 wrote: »

Is the vRS brand with Skoda not just a standard family saloon with the higher spec engine that the better marque VAG equivalent variants already carry? e.g. the octavia vrs diesel had the same engine as the passat cc gt170 and A4/A5/A6.
Just always bemuses me why these models are considered performance or sporty in that context.

Stiffined suspension, lowered and some more gadgets.

Zubeneschamali

cpoh1 wrote: »

Just always bemuses me why these models are considered performance or sporty in that context.

Bought an Octavia VRs diesel last year, and no, it is not sporty. It looks quite sporty when parked.

But 8 secs to 100 is quite quick for a family diesel hatch.

DaveyDave

I think if we had better engine options here these would be a difficult sell. Passat 180hp and 220hp petrol in the UK for example, we're lucky to even get a DSG petrol model.

I don't know about the Kodiaq engines but it seems there's some VAG cars that could do with some more powerful engines, rather than paying the top end for performance models.

Casati

cpoh1 wrote: »

Is the vRS brand with Skoda not just a standard family saloon with the higher spec engine that the better marque VAG equivalent variants already carry? e.g. the octavia vrs diesel had the same engine as the passat cc gt170 and A4/A5/A6.
Just always bemuses me why these models are considered performance or sporty in that context.

I agree to a point, though the RS 245bhp Octavia with diff is going to be quite sporty in fairness and will attract a buyer looking at Focus ST, Golf GTI PP, Leon Cupra etc

This Kodiaq RS is a bit odd, it’s basically just a twin turbo version of the current Sportline Kodiaq 190bhp 4*4 which is probably a step too far in terms of spec/ price for a Skoda - and I’m saying this as somebody who has a Superb Sportline. Id be shocked if anybody buys it and surprised if it’s less than 55k on the road

When did anybody see a Tiguan 240?

JoeA3

vectra wrote: »

Not nitpicking or anything,
But the same could be said for the Octavia vRS diesel and the GTD Golf,
Among many others.
The way I see it is, all these models have decent enough performance levels for Joe soap,
They are also stylish enough for members of the public that like the looks of them.
I bet they will sell very well which makes them the opposite of what you suggest.
Which in turn will make Skoda a very happy camp.

I get that. It looks good. Hence why we see so many R-Line Tiguan's around. I've driven a Tiguan a good few times (father has one), and in no way could it be deemed "sporty". It's like driving while perched on a bar stool. So I'd probably liken this effort to an R-Line Tiguan and not something that should wear a "vRS" badge... Not that the badge really matters I guess, given that most Skoda's with that badge are 170bhp diesels...

Casati

OSI wrote: »

I know of 3. 2 of them mapped to ~300.

The standard Tiguan 150ps isn’t known for great handling, is 300ps not a bit mad? Are they in Ireland?

Carsanal

Funnily enough was looking at these, think it would be a great option after my current Octavia.
One thing I notice is I'm not in my usual high driving position having come from SUVs in the past.

Being able to find a high performance diesel with a good seating position would be great.

ION08

Casati wrote: »

The standard Tiguan 150ps isn’t known for great handling, is 300ps not a bit mad? Are they in Ireland?

It would be quick, but I definitely wouldn't say "mad"

I know that 300 bhp sounds unruly but with a 4 cyl diesel power delivery in a car the size of the Kodiaq , I would say it just about gives it "respectable pace" as opposed to being "mad"

ION08

Carsanal wrote: »

Even if 240bhp is almost idiotic fast in Ireland!

It’s not :rolleyes:

vectra

OSI wrote: »

What would you see as the cut off point on this being a contender Vectra? 50k?

I could see it going another couple on top of that.

Sportline dsg 190 4x4 is touching 50k
Wouldnt be surprised at 54K ?
what are your thoughts?

maddness

I don’t get it? If you choose a SUV it would seem that driving dynamics are not very important so why a performance SUV?

In saying that this Skoda is one of the better looking ones.

Turbohymac

Being a suv I wouldn't like to test out the performance compared to the Octavia vrs. Top heavy wouldn't come near Octavia in roadholding .

ianobrien

vectra wrote: »

I could see it going another couple on top of that.

Sportline dsg 190 4x4 is touching 50k
Wouldnt be surprised at 54K ?
what are your thoughts?

I'm just thinking, at that price, wouldn't an Audi Allroad or Volvo Cross Country, while being a little bit less powerful have better handling (as they are high estates rather than low SUV) and be worth more second hand?

Most people would not need the extra off road of the Skoda, the jacked up Audi/Volvo would do for dirt lanes,fields,etc.

Casati

ION08 wrote: »

It would be quick, but I definitely wouldn't say "mad"

I know that 300 bhp sounds unruly but with a 4 cyl diesel power delivery in a car the size of the Kodiaq , I would say it just about gives it "respectable pace" as opposed to being "mad"

Haha, 300ps isn’t a problem in a large car but i do think it’s a bit mad to have that power in a car that understeers and rolls like a Tiguan in bends, it’s not a Cayenne!

Casati

ianobrien wrote: »

I'm just thinking, at that price, wouldn't an Audi Allroad or Volvo Cross Country, while being a little bit less powerful have better handling (as they are high estates rather than low SUV) and be worth more second hand?

Most people would not need the extra off road of the Skoda, the jacked up Audi/Volvo would do for dirt lanes,fields,etc.

Allroad A6 or V90 Cross Country must be closer to 70k than 50k though?

GustavoFring

I think this is going to be a pricey motor - mid 50s which pushes it against a lot of tasty metal. With a few options you could hit 60 quite easily I’d say.

Can’t help but think if it had the 280tsi it would have been easier to justify. With the usual healthy discounts a 280 superb would give a nicer interior and dynamics for a lot less dosh.

ianobrien

Casati wrote: »

Allroad A6 or V90 Cross Country must be closer to 70k than 50k though?

The basic Audi A4 Allroad is €53k.......

The Audi would probably have more space inside also.

Casati

ianobrien wrote: »

The basic Audi A4 Allroad is €53k.......

The Audi would probably have more space inside also.

Spending 53k on a bog standard A4 All Road would actually make the Kodiaq look cheap. Unless you have an Audi measuring tape the Kodiaq will be the much bigger car too

ianobrien

Casati wrote: »

Spending 53k on a bog standard A4 All Road would actually make the Kodiaq look cheap. Unless you have an Audi measuring tape the Kodiaq will be the much bigger car too

I'll use the manufacturer websites tape measure. The A4 Avant is longer by a bit but a bit narrower (A4 Avant 4725mm X 1842mm Kodiaq 4697mm X 1882mm)

Both are VAG so both will need plenty of option ticking boxes

Edit - a bit in both cases is an inch or two...............

vectra

OSI wrote: »

I could see mid 50s alright. VAGs SUV pricing seems to be "take the hatch, add 10k." and the nearest equivalent RS Octavia is early 40s and petrol. I know the Tiguan 240 should be pricier being a VW but it doesn't carry a "halo" badge.

I dunno, give it a couple of years when I'm looking to move again I could see the appeal of one.

The thing is,
Some ( that I know of anyway ) VW dealers offer a decent enough discount,
Not sure Skoda would be offering the same % ?

vectra

Saw this advertised this morning.
Judging by that It could exceed 55k for a vRS

2018 (182) SKODA KODIAQ SPORT
2.0TDI
190HP
DSG
4X4
7 Seater
9,999 km
NCT: 2022 July
Features: Comes with almost €5,000 worth of options including - 20" Vega Alloys, Side Steps, Sat Nav, Heated Front Seats, Reversing Camera, Wireless Charge Box & more
€52,950 - this car is worth over €55,000 if ordered new.

Casati

vectra wrote: »

Saw this advertised this morning.
Judging by that It could exceed 55k for a vRS

Looks like the VRS with the basic equipment will be closer to 60k

Amazing that the Sportline with retail over 50k doesn’t have sat nav or heated seats

2shea

Mitch Connor wrote: »

My plan is for my next car to be an Octavia vRS (second hand), but if I had the cash I would absolutely go for one of these.

Love the look of the standard Kodiaq, a neighbor has one and I give it an envious look every time I walk past.

I'm selling my 161 with 55k on the clock at a pretty good price I think.

2shea

I'd love one of these I think it look amazing. But sadly I know it is going to be way out of budget. These will be at least 55-60k

Tom Hardly

Why did my original post get deleted? I'm confused

Carsanal

Tom Hardly wrote: »

Why did my original post get deleted? I'm confused

I think you were kind of attacking people with the post you made on the thread.
That was the feeling I got.

I also drive a car similar to this and think it's quite high performance so wouldn't take kindly to what you say.

No matter how you look at it, on a public road 184bhp is fast and 240bhp is astonishingly fast.

vectra

Carsanal wrote: »

I think you were kind of attacking people with the post you made on the thread.
That was the feeling I got.

I also drive a car similar to this and think it's quite high performance so wouldn't take kindly to what you say.

No matter how you look at it, on a public road 184bhp is fast and 240bhp is astonishingly fast.

I will rephrase that for you.


No matter how you look at it, on a public road 184bhp is fairly quick and 240bhp is a good bit quicker.

Carsanal

vectra wrote: »

I will rephrase that for you.


No matter how you look at it, on a public road 184bhp is fairly quick and 240bhp is a good bit quicker.

I guess we have different versions of fast from experience

vectra

Carsanal wrote: »

I guess we have different versions of fast from experience

Wouldn't think so.
I had 3 of them and certainly was never afraid of them.
:P

vintagevrs

Is the Kodiaq not the size of a Q7 or X5? Tiguans and Atecas being mentioned on this thread a bit. A previous poster aluded to this earlier, but if Audi were selling a 240bhp Q7 it would not be considered fast or sporty. These things are massive.