Clapping to be replaced by 'Jazz hands' at Manchester university

ceadaoin.

This is to make it more inclusive of those with sensory issues and disabilities apparently. But seems to exclude maybe visually impaired people who won't see or hear anything. or anyone who may feel uncomfortable with people flailing their arms around en masse.

Should it be introduced in the wider world? How will these people cope when they attend a concert or performance outside university where clapping is allowed if not? Or should they just have to get used to it or wear something to block the sound as many already do? Clapping and cheering and are a normal part of human behaviour, will definitely take a while to re train people.

Seems to me that what with the widespread trend of 'no platforming' of people who don't agree with the majority view and stuff like this, British university students are going to get a big shock when they enter the real world

Clapping and whooping have been banned at Manchester University 's Students' Union in move to make student events more accessible.

The traditional form of clapping has been ditched in favour of the British Sign Language (BSL) equivalent, known to many as 'jazz hands'.


The union say the loud noise created by clapping, including whooping and traditional applause, can pose an issue for students with disabilities such as anxiety or sensory issues.

From now on people will be urged to use quiet BSL clapping, or jazz hands, at student events including debates, panels and talks.

It means students will wave their hands in the air, rather than clapping or cheering.

The union said democratic processes, such as student senate, should be accessible to all students, including those with disabilities

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/clapping-banned-jazz-hands-university-15223965

Ipso

More accessible to who?

Fann Linn

The gobsh1tes

SnazzyPig

What about students wih no hands?

lawred2

Jazzzzz club

Mmmmmmmm nice

Fann Linn

SnazzyPig wrote: »

What about students wih no hands?

Jazz limbs.

lawred2

SnazzyPig wrote: »

What about students wih no hands?

They probably didn't make it past the front door

ratracer

SnazzyPig wrote: »

What about students wih no hands?

They didn’t clap either......

Ipso

SnazzyPig wrote: »

What about students wih no hands?

Or if they're blind.

Richard Hillman

SnazzyPig wrote: »

What about students wih no hands?

Or blind students. What if the blind student did the most amazing, ground breaking presentation of all time and all they were met with was silence?

Richard Hillman

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Or blind students. What if the blind student did the most amazing, ground breaking presentation of all time and all they were met with was silence?

Call it awed reverence.

sexmag

What will now be the equivalent of the slow clap?

The slow raising of fingers and arms?

Where's the irony in that?

wexie

ceadaoin. wrote: »

British university students are going to get a big shock when they enter the real world

Cause there's people there that are allowed to disagree with them and tell em they're full of ****?

Call Me Jimmy

As they say 'I can't even'

The Rape of Lucretia

While it means a change of habits for some, I dont think anyone can argue that audible-clapping is now so offensive and excluding of others, that jazz-hands is a very sensible solution. Get with it.

ceadaoin.

wexie wrote: »

Cause there's people there that are allowed to disagree with them and tell em they're full of ****?

I can only imagine the tantrums they will throw when they realise the world doesn't bend to their will. I'm starting to see the truth of the term "snowflake"

Franz Von Peppercorn

Who decided that clapping is offensive?

(Is it because white males clap?)

TheValeyard

But we can still give the middle finger right?

One eyed Jack

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Seems to me that what with the widespread trend of 'no platforming' of people who don't agree with the majority view and stuff like this, British university students are going to get a big shock when they enter the real world.

More a question of ‘if’, rather than ‘when’ really. The types of people who support this nonsense, thankfully for the rest of us, never venture outside the bounds of their own circle-jerk.

I’d only seen this once before in my life and that was a couple of years back when I figured for the craic I’d head to one of those ‘Occupy’ meetings, and they did the whole shaking hands thing. I made my excuses and left, and given their lack of success in actually achieving anything of note, I suggest leaving them to themselves, they’re the very definition of the word ‘harmless’.

Ipso

One eyed Jack wrote: »

More a question of ‘if’, rather than ‘when’ really. The types of people who support this nonsense, thankfully for the rest of us, never venture outside the bounds of their own circle-jerk.

I’d only seen this once before in my life and that was a couple of years back when I figured for the craic I’d head to one of those ‘Occupy’ meetings, and they did the whole shaking hands thing. I made my excuses and left, and given their lack of success in actually achieving anything of note, I suggest leaving them to themselves, they’re the very definition of the word ‘harmless’.

Legends in their own minds.

Fann Linn

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

But we can still give the middle finger right?

Nope. You'll be up before the Senate House Committe for that or else charged with sexual assault in about 15 years time.

Captain Obvious

I presume this is the allow people on the autism spectrum to better integrate in mainstream education. I think some retailers have quiet hours for people to bring their autistic children shopping. Introduce a degree of normalcy into their lives. I don't see the issue really.

Clapping annoys me something fierce so hopefully this is the start of a movement.

ceadaoin.

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

While it means a change of habits for some, I dont think anyone can argue that audible-clapping is now so offensive and excluding of others, that jazz-hands is a very sensible solution. Get with it.

Until someone comes along and claims that jazz hands are actually cultural appropriation and offensive

James Brown

It's disrespectful to the Jazz dance community. Jazz hands is their gesture. I say no to cultural appropriation.

ceadaoin.

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I presume this is the allow people on the autism spectrum to better integrate in mainstream education. I think some retailers have quiet hours for people to bring their autistic children shopping. Introduce a degree of normalcy into their lives. I don't see the issue really.

Quiet hours and events are not the same as expecting people to limit normal noise and behaviour all the time.

I actually highly doubt any person on the spectrum or with sensory issues has actually asked for this

The Tetrarch

I think everyone should break wind. Everyone has one.

The Rape of Lucretia

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's disrespectful to the Jazz dance community. Jazz hands is their gesture. I say no to cultural appropriation.

I dont think you have to be into jazz culture to be entitled to jazz-hands.
Its an all inclusive applaud.

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

But we can still give the middle finger right?

they will go into shock with the offence

One eyed Jack

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I presume this is the allow people on the autism spectrum to better integrate in mainstream education. I think some retailers have quiet hours for people to bring their autistic children shopping. Introduce a degree of normalcy into their lives. I don't see the issue really.

An entirely disingenuous argument really given that the whole idea of intergrating people with disabilities into mainstream education and introducing a degree of normalcy into their lives is not to treat them like their disability defines them. What’s more likely driving this new policy is a small lobby group of people who want to drive conformity to their standards, creating their own paradigm where people who are normal must behave like they have a disability. It’ll all blow over when the money dries up.

jojofizzio

Is this for real??

Captain Obvious

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I presume this is the allow people on the autism spectrum to better integrate in mainstream education. I think some retailers have quiet hours for people to bring their autistic children shopping. Introduce a degree of normalcy into their lives. I don't see the issue really.

what next, make everything black and white so we don't affect those who are colourblind, ban sounds so we don't upset deaf people, etc, there needs to be a stop to catering to these always offended/looking for outrage

4068ac1elhodqr

Also, just in: 'Manchester University' to be replaced with the more inclusive phrase 'Person-chester Non-Binary Buildings of (Optional) Further Learning'

The Rape of Lucretia

Dexter Abundant Somewhere wrote: »

what next, make everything black and white so we don't affect those who are colourblind, ban sounds so we don't upset deaf people, etc, there needs to be a stop to catering to these always offended/looking for outrage

Black, white, and jazz handsy - it then surely doesnt get more politically correct than this guy :

wexie

jojofizzio wrote: »

Is this for real??

Nah, just the BBC messing around, they're always kidding like that

mzungu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vanhbElnx70

DEFTLEFTHAND

Might be idea to try and move soft science off University campuses. College administrators have had enough. Terrible upset and trouble is being caused.

We can run these courses as 2 yr Diplomas at local community centres.

Noveight

Surely we're reaching the point where this level of pedantry is looked down upon?

wexie

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Might be idea to try and move soft science off University campuses. College administraters have had enough. Terrible upset and trouble is being caused.

We can run these courses as 2 yr Diplomas at local community centres.

But then how will we satisfy the huuuge impending demand requirement for people with gender studies degrees?

It would be pandelirium....or even worse

wexie

Noveight wrote: »

Surely we're reaching the point where this level of pedantry is looked down upon?

Pretty sure we reached that point a few years ago for most well thinking people.

The Rape of Lucretia

wexie wrote: »

But then how will we satisfy the huuuge impending demand for people with gender studies degrees?

Please. No need for the gratuitous offensiveness.
'Gender' studies degrees, presupposes gender, which is categorising people about whom you know nothing, and is offensive to those who may or may not be of a gender. Deigning to study 'genders' is stifflingly and oppressively discriminatory.

TCM

SnazzyPig wrote:

What about students wih no hands?

The haven't got a hand-le on it yet.
Seriously, what a load of utter clap trap.

dxhound2005

jojofizzio wrote: »

Is this for real??

Not a new idea either, been around for a few years.

AlmightyCushion

wexie wrote: »

But then how will we satisfy the huuuge impending demand for people with gender studies degrees?

It would be pandelirium....or even worse

Did you just assume my gender?

pickarooney

sexmag wrote: »

What will now be the equivalent of the slow clap?

The slow raising of fingers and arms?

Where's the irony in that?

https://media.giphy.com/media/SGVPwGhf61AA/giphy.webp

Signore Fancy Pants

Whays all this noise about Jizz hands?

Ipso

Chewbacca wrote: »

Whays all this noise about Jizz hands?

Not sure, it comes a cross a bit strange.

Feisar

OFFS

Noveight

wexie wrote: »

Pretty sure we reached that point a few years ago for most well thinking people.

Headlines like this one still being spat out, however.

Suppose I must remember universities are hot beds for this nonsense.

I just don't even

wexie

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Did you just assume my gender?

many copious apologies, changed original post to reflect my inclusiveness