Online 9/11 sites are been quarantined and taken offline

Cheerful Spring

I Checked out 9/11 truth on Reddit and got this message

"What the hell they had the balls to do that, bloody Nazis.

This community is quarantined: It may contain a high degree of misinformation. If you are seeking historical information about the September 11 attacks, please visit the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (https://www.9-11commission.gov/)"

And a popular 9/11 site Kendocs has got offline.


We live in an age of censorship when one side opinion is pushed on us.. This what is happening post 9/11

Cheerful Spring

Amazon has also been caught censoring 9/11 online books. Of course no mention of this on official news channels. They don't want to broadcast freedom of speech rights are being trampled on by the big corporations.

"On September 10, 2018, I published a laudatory review of the new book, 9/11 Unmasked: An International Review Panel Investigation by David Ray Griffin and Elizabeth Woodworth. It is the definitive book on the defining event of the 21st century. The book concludes that the official version(s) of the attacks of 11 September 2001 are false. The review was subsequently reposted at many publications. There were great reader response and interest in the book, which was due for official release the next day, 11 September. My review provided a link to the book’s Amazon page that noted the 11 September availability date.

By the next day, readers were responding in great number that the Amazon site was reporting the book was “out of print,” when in fact it had just been published. This “out of print” notification lasted until the evening of 13 September when it was changed to “in stock on September 30, 2018.”

By the following morning it was changed to “in stock on September 21, 2018,” only to be changed again between 11-12 PM on September 14 to “in stock on September 24, 2018,” where it remains as of noon on Saturday the 15th. It is unheard of for a book that has an official release date and that is available straight from the publisher to be listed as “out of print.” Amazon Canada continues to report that the book “has not yet been released.” And obviously, all the date changes that push the book’s availability back by weeks suggest a clear-cut effort by Amazon to make sure readers cannot obtain the book quickly and in a timely manner from the most popular source, if ever.

Will they soon announce that the book will never be available for national security considerations or because it violates Amazon’s “content guidelines”? The book’s publisher, Interlink Publishing, is selling the book now and says Amazon has the books. Readers should demand that Amazon immediately change their website and accept orders to be shipped today. Whether they are responsible for this game of chaotic discouragement or the intelligence services, who are fully capable of hacking into Amazon, as Edward Snowden has pointed out, I do not know. But something very odd is happening and Amazon should correct"

9/11 conspiracies have been around for 17 years and have thrived and made the careers of dozens of conspiracy writers and film makers.
And only now has the government done something about it.
And that thing, is not taking down anything. Or banning it being discussed, or removing the people who promote it...
It's putting a warning label on Reddit...
Delaying a book by a few weeks on Amazon...

That's not very effective or worrying...

Dohnjoe

Disinformation masquerading as the truth starting to contain warnings about it not being truthful.. makes sense

As for sites going down, maybe the private companies hosting it and found it is breaking ToS, up to them whether they want to host it or not

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

9/11 conspiracies have been around for 17 years and have thrived and made the careers of dozens of conspiracy writers and film makers.
And only now has the government done something about it.
And that thing, is not taking down anything. Or banning it being discussed, or removing the people who promote it...
It's putting a warning label on Reddit...
Delaying a book by a few weeks on Amazon...

That's not very effective or worrying...

Google is removing 9/11 sites. You can't even find them now by just typing in the name of the site.

They are clearly afraid of the 9/11 truth movement. That Facebook is working with the Atlantic council censoring information is just more proof that the only thing they want people to know is the US government side of events.

9/11 commission report is a fraud just like the warren commision report.

But they haven't shut down the sites you pointed to.
They are still available and easy to see.
Likewise are the thousands of sites still active.

I also just don't believe you when you say there are sites that have been shut down.
Nevermind you showing that they shut down at the behest of the government.

And after 18 years of cranks pumping out the same tired, stale bull****, it's a bit late for them to start shutting them down now, no?

And what are they afraid of exactly? You guys in the toof movement have had 18 years and produced nothing but hot air.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

They are clearly afraid of the 9/11 truth movement.

They aren't. They are changing the algorithms

Holocaust denial sites, anti-vaxx sites, etc they are all receiving the same treatment

That Facebook is working with the Atlantic council censoring information is just more proof that the only thing they want people to know is the US government side of events.

9/11 commission report is a fraud just like the warren commision report.

I wouldn't be surprised if at some stage in the future sites like boards and other forums will start to taking action against e.g. the kind of disinformation and lies that you try to spread as fact. ToS are getting stricter and ultimately the choice is theirs, if they feel their platform is being abused for disinformation, they could take common sense action

The bolded part is for context. I have no issues with conspiracy theories, mysteries, alien stories, etc on the net. But it should not be presented as fact nor should it be ranked higher than established facts on popular search and video platforms

NightStone

So why now after all this time is this happening exactly ?

Dohnjoe

NightStone wrote: »

So why now after all this time is this happening exactly ?

2016 election meddling was the main catalyst

A year or two ago you could type "911" into google and literally 7 out of the top 10 results would be conspiracy whack

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

But they haven't shut down the sites you pointed to.
They are still available and easy to see.
Likewise are the thousands of sites still active.

I also just don't believe you when you say there are sites that have been shut down.
Nevermind you showing that they shut down at the behest of the government.

And after 18 years of cranks pumping out the same tired, stale bull****, it's a bit late for them to start shutting them down now, no?

And what are they afraid of exactly? You guys in the toof movement have had 18 years and produced nothing but hot air.

I have trouble finding 9/11 truth now by using google. Before I just type in google in be top of the list now I can't find it, I have done searching to find it. Kendoc a well known 9/11 site was taken down recently by WordPress.

It, not stale bull**** it's obvious 9/11 was not just done by just Bin Laden and 19 young Muslims only. New information has emerged since the 9/11 commission that clearly show the Saudis was involved. Even Skeptics are open to this possibility. Even Oystein a well known 9/11 Skeptics thinks there enough information and evidence out there to believe Prince Bandar was involved in 9/11 attacks. Oystein just thinks there no deep state involvement where buildings were deliberately brought down.

What his overlooking if Prince Bandar was directly involved then it, not a stretch to think Prince Bandar was working alongside a rogue group in the United States? I don't see how you can just ignore that Prince Bandar was high up in the food chain.

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

They aren't. They are changing the algorithms

Holocaust denial sites, anti-vaxx sites, etc they are all receiving the same treatment



I wouldn't be surprised if at some stage in the future sites like boards and other forums will start to taking action against e.g. the kind of disinformation and lies that you try to spread as fact. ToS are getting stricter and ultimately the choice is theirs, if they feel their platform is being abused for disinformation, they could take common sense action

The bolded part is for context. I have no issues with conspiracy theories, mysteries, alien stories, etc on the net. But it should not be presented as fact nor should it be ranked higher than established facts on popular search and video platforms

US government believes their military personnel have seen UFOs. There was even a Pentagon project on this very thing announced in the New York times only last year.

Things are moving very fast on this issue. Congress or State hearings could be heard soon on this matter. A lot of Congress people were ignorant about the UFO phenomenon. They have been given closed-door briefings on the matter. In 2 to 5 years this phenomenon will be accepted fact.

Ipso

You nean the money Harry Reid directed to a donor as payback?
That’s not evidence of anything, just typicL of the UFO movement. Always announcing something imminent that never happens while fleecing the sheeple.

Cheerful Spring

Ipso wrote: »

You nean the money Harry Reid directed to a donor as payback?
That’s not evidence of anything, just typicL of the UFO movement. Always announcing something imminent that never happens while fleecing the sheeple.

There were other bidders, but Bob Bigelow has a longtime interest in UFOs and he had was already had the facilities to carry out the research. You forget in the 90's he even had a science team called NIDsci on the payroll investigating the topic. It deputy director was an Irishman named Colm Kelleher, he was scientist educated at Trinity College Dublin.

There plenty of evidence for the phenomenon. There too many historical cases for it to be just someone's imagination. Top gun fighter pilots are chasing these objects in the sky.

The myth is Roswell they found a craft in 1947 if that's not true. Then you dealing with a non-human race who of right now seem uninterested in meeting us or something more weirder is happening I don't know.

Cheerful Spring

Ipso I not sure why you think people are making large amounts of money off UFOs. That clearly untrue there very few UFO writers who make any money.

Pentagon UFO study was only incidents reported by the US military. Some are known others are still classified.

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

2016 election meddling was the main catalyst

A year or two ago you could type "911" into google and literally 7 out of the top 10 results would be conspiracy whack

Sure that was a catalyst, but this just stops people questioning what they hear officially. They love a world where only one side version is agreed on.

We remember Iraqi WMD and not long time ago either. When they produced fake intelligence to justify an illegal war. Let us not forget Saddam was allowing UN inspectors in the country to visit all sites. There was no way he could hide stuff and not get found.

Cheerful Spring

NightStone wrote: »

So why now after all this time is this happening exactly ?

Climate is right they can clamp down on free speech and get away with it. There be more uproar in the past. Due to the Russian thing, the tech companies are scarred now they will be sanctioned.

Mark Zuckerberg pretty much after his congress hearing started working with the Atlantic Council ( Nato-neo con think tank) So anything that is perceived as anti-American speech will be taken down.

People who run sites and don't believe the American government version of events about 9/11 is also going to be looked at now.

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I have trouble finding 9/11 truth now by using google.

So? It just means that lies and bull**** aren't being held up as if they were true.
Most of the rest of the world simply don't live in the same reality you do.

However, you can still find all the 9/11 toof you want, you just have to dig a bit deeper.
It sounds like you are just whining that you have to put in a bit more effort into you "research". (aka, watching youtube videos, repeating them verbatim without a critical or original thought.)

It's funny though, as you would agree that there are sites that are disinformation that are being given these warning labels.

Are you ok with places that claim that there was no planes or that the towers were destroyed by space lasers or mini nukes being held up as exactly as valid as your preferred flavour of conspiracy theory?

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Before I just type in google in be top of the list now I can't find it, I have done searching to find it. Kendoc a well known 9/11 site was taken down recently by WordPress.

A well known website that no one has heard of and has never once been posted here? And you aren't providing evidence for being taken down, never mind at the request of the government?
No, not going to believe that.

So why are they targeting some dinky unknown blog that still uses wordpress?
Why aren't they doing something about say Architects and Engineers for 9/11 toof? Surely they are the bigger danger, no?
Or maybe the most famous 9/11 toofer, Alex Jones?

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

It, not stale bull**** it's obvious 9/11... Blah blah, waffle.

Again, as Dohnjoe points out, you guys have not produced a single, viable, rational alternative theory in 18 years.
You have not produced a single piece of new evidence or argument in a decade.
Even bull**** merchants like Alex Jones don't do much with it anymore, cause it doesn't sell as well.

Anyone who is going to fall for the toofers line of nonsense has already done so. If the government wanted to stamp out the conspiracy theory, they've long since missed the chance.
Honestly, this is just you trying to live a fantasy where you are a brave rebel who is trying to spread the truth under the thumb of a evil, villainous government.
But the truth is, you're spreading bull**** and no one really cares.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

So? It just means that lies and bull**** aren't being held up as if they were true.
Most of the rest of the world simply don't live in the same reality you do.

However, you can still find all the 9/11 toof you want, you just have to dig a bit deeper.
It sounds like you are just whining that you have to put in a bit more effort into you "research". (aka, watching youtube videos, repeating them verbatim without a critical or original thought.)

It's funny though, as you would agree that there are sites that are disinformation that are being given these warning labels.

Are you ok with places that claim that there was no planes or that the towers were destroyed by space lasers or mini nukes being held up as exactly as valid as your preferred flavour of conspiracy theory?


A well known website that no one has heard of and has never once been posted here? And you aren't providing evidence for being taken down, never mind at the request of the government?
No, not going to believe that.

So why are they targeting some dinky unknown blog that still uses wordpress?
Why aren't they doing something about say Architects and Engineers for 9/11 toof? Surely they are the bigger danger, no?
Or maybe the most famous 9/11 toofer, Alex Jones?


Again, as Dohnjoe points out, you guys have not produced a single, viable, rational alternative theory in 18 years.
You have not produced a single piece of new evidence or argument in a decade.
Even bull**** merchants like Alex Jones don't do much with it anymore, cause it doesn't sell as well.

Anyone who is going to fall for the toofers line of nonsense has already done so. If the government wanted to stamp out the conspiracy theory, they've long since missed the chance.
Honestly, this is just you trying to live a fantasy where you are a brave rebel who is trying to spread the truth under the thumb of a evil, villainous government.
But the truth is, you're spreading bull**** and no one really cares.

People can believe what they like it doesn't change what we already know happened.

Why should I believe the 9/11 commission report is factual when the 9/11 commission members have come out later and stated they felt they got lied to? Do you not realise two 9/11 commissioners quit the panel as they felt the 9/11 commission was set up to fail. They even said the White House was obstructing the investigation.

Even agents of the FBI who were involved in the 9/11 investigation said there was an obstruction in the investigation. They were not allowed to pursue leads into the Saudi government's role in 9/1 attacks. There just no way the US government 9/11 story is anyway accurate or truthful.

NIST narrative about WTC7 collapse is not factual. In what world can this study be fact and reality-based when there is clear evidence NIST removed girder fittings at column 79 to allow the girder to come off its seat? That you think it ok to do this is truly breathtaking. That their model of the collapse does not repeat the actual real conditions of WTC7 collapse, you have also ignored this.

Let's do not forget all the other anomalies discussed.

It not up to truthers to find an alternative explanation. This could never be achieved anyway because there was clear blocking by the political establishment to find out who was funding the 9/11 attacks and why.

What 9/11 conspiracy people can do it show the flaws in what is already known. Example WTC7 which clearly did not fall down in the way NIST claims it did. I just can not trust NIST when there misquoting reality-based things. Claiming no eyewitnesses saw molten steel and melted steel probably the biggest lie of them all and it's easiest one to verify and prove.

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

People can believe what they like it doesn't change what we already know happened.

Yes, so it doesn't make sense for them to start censoring stuff now. Nevermind starting by not actually censoring anything and then shutting down the site of some rando conspiracy theorist no one ever hear of before.

Again, your conspiracy theory here doesn't make a lick of sense and seems more designed to play out victim fantasies and rant about the same tired old bull****.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

It not up to truthers to find an alternative explanation.

Ah, so just lazy then...

There's no alternative explanation, so the conspiracy theories are just nonsense hot air. They are dismissed as such by most people.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I just can not trust NIST when there misquoting reality-based things.

lol...

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Yes, so it doesn't make sense for them to start censoring stuff now. Nevermind starting by not actually censoring anything and then shutting down the site of some rando conspiracy theorist no one ever hear of before.

Again, your conspiracy theory here doesn't make a lick of sense and seems more designed to play out victim fantasies and rant about the same tired old bull****.


Ah, so just lazy then...

There's no alternative explanation, so the conspiracy theories are just nonsense hot air. They are dismissed as such by most people.


lol...

The information is secretive there over 80,000 classified files about 9/11. In those files, you may have answers to who really was funding the attacks

It, not hot air as you put it because not only truthers who disagree with the official story about 9/11. Truthers do take it further and think buildings were brought down by demolition. That still doesn't mean we got the truth about 9/11, the opposite is actually true. It clear as day Saudi officials were involved so it was not just Bin laden in a cave directing the attacks. You need a support and knowledge to carry out an attack inside America. Most of the Saudis involved in 9/11 attacks had never visited America pre 9/11. They would have to be people already in place to help them when they arrived.

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The information is secretive there over 80,000 classified files about 9/11. In those files, you may have answers to who really was funding the attacks

You're not reading my posts. I'm not arsed to engage with you about 9/11.
We're discussing your very silly idea that the government is censoring those theories.

Why do you think that the government censored some nobody conspiracy theorist?
Why did they not take down the reddit page rather than just put a big sticker on it?
Why are they not going after the big names like the experts you love so much or Alex Jones or yourself?

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

You're not reading my posts. I'm not arsed to engage with you about 9/11.
We're discussing your very silly idea that the government is censoring those theories.

Why do you think that the government censored some nobody conspiracy theorist?
Why did they not take down the reddit page rather than just put a big sticker on it?
Why are they not going after the big names like the experts you love so much or Alex Jones or yourself?

That nothing new you never have engaged or debated 9/11

Well, obviously it is the government? Do you think Atlantic council has no connection to US intelligence and US political establishment? The tech media sites are obviously doing this because they are being asked to do it. I don't think Reddit would have done this if there wasn't pressure for them to quarantine 9/11 sites.

9/11 truth is opposed to the government line what has happened on that day. Reddit is trying to claim what on this site is all misinformation and they directed people to read the 9/11 commission report. Feck of Reddit.

Alex Jones had been removed from all social media sites online. His videos are all gone from Youtube. Alex Jones is all in conspiracy guy, he believes in conspiracies I don't believe are real.

gctest50

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

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It not up to truthers to find an alternative explanation.

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you might want to be doing a bit of this though :

https://www.httrack.com/

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

That nothing new you never have engaged or debated 9/11

He says not answering any of my questions.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The tech media sites are obviously doing this because they are being asked to do it. I don't think Reddit would have done this if there wasn't pressure for them to quarantine 9/11 sites.

So why quarantine it? Why not remove it?

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Alex Jones had been removed from all social media sites online. His videos are all gone from Youtube. Alex Jones is all in conspiracy guy, he believes in conspiracies I don't believe are real.

But his site is still freely available for anyone to go to. Why don't they stop that?

Why did they target some rando who's never been heard of before he was "censored"?

Franz Von Peppercorn

It’s pretty sinister alright. It’s the stuff of Hollywood dystopian fantasy - private corporations with control of all information told what to do by government.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It’s pretty sinister alright. It’s the stuff of Hollywood dystopian fantasy - private corporations with control of all information told what to do by government.

But we haven't seen that this is the case yet...
And the information is still there. It's just labeled what it is and it isn't held up as if it was factual...

Claiming that this is censorship is a bit silly and it smacks a lot of desperately trying to be the victim.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

But we haven't seen that this is the case yet...
And the information is still there. It's just labeled what it is and it isn't held up as if it was factual...

Claiming that this is censorship is a bit silly and it smacks a lot of desperately trying to be the victim.

It quarantined site now. Who can say they not remove the site altogether in the future?

Kendoc 9/11 site is gone. You can not go on there anymore. That site had a catalogue of 9/11 conspiracy stuff.

https://kendoc911.wordpress.com/

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

He says not answering any of my questions.


So why quarantine it? Why not remove it?


But his site is still freely available for anyone to go to. Why don't they stop that?

Why did they target some rando who's never been heard of before he was "censored"?

Alex Jones is hosting on his own servers. You have to go and search out his stuff now. That whole point you make it harder for people to find this stuff. That why you quarantine stuff on Reddit, it takes more time to find things online. Why are they censoring 9/11 truth anyway if you think it just lunatics on there anyhow?

The sinister part there seems to an agenda behind it to censor information that not in line with government thinking on international matters.

The Distrust is not unfounded. These very same people lied about WMD in Iraq and they were brazen about and told lies. Did anyone met justice for lying about this fake and illegal war, No.

Cheerful Spring

gctest50 wrote: »

you might want to be doing a bit of this though :

https://www.httrack.com/

For backing up stuff for protection?

Cheerful Spring

King Mob, By the way, I am not an Alex Jones fan. I dislike him he used the topic to make himself rich. He also acts like a raving lunatic and says the most insane things on air.

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

It quarantined site now. Who can say they not remove the site altogether in the future?

Kendoc 9/11 site is gone. You can not go on there anymore. That site had a catalogue of 9/11 conspiracy stuff.

https://kendoc911.wordpress.com/

But you've avoided the questions again.

Why quarantine it and not remove it?

Why go after some rando conspiracy theorist?

Why allow Alex Jones to keep his website?

Why not go after folks like the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Toof?

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

But you've avoided the questions again.

Why quarantine it and not remove it?

Why go after some rando conspiracy theorist?

Why allow Alex Jones to keep his website?

Why not go after folks like the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Toof?

And I know you don't like Alex Jones. But you're not much different from him or the people who get suckered in by him. It's just a question of what bull**** you buy.

Maybe they can't go that far for some reason I don't know who manages the Reddit site? Quarantining that site is enough maybe you think it ok to do that i don't.

Kendoc 9/11 was very popular 9/11 site. You would not know that because you are not up to date on the conspiracy stuff. In fact you don't know much about the official 9/11 story either

Architects and Engineers for 9/11. Maybe they are hosting the information on their own server? Google would have to remove it? And maybe they will try eventually?

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Maybe they can't go that far for some reason I don't know who manages the Reddit site? Quarantining that site is enough maybe you think it ok to do that i don't.

So the answer is: you don't know.

Your conspiracy doesn't make sense. If they can get reddit to quarantine the sub reddit, there is not sensible reason for why they couldn't get them to remove it entirely.
Suggesting that they wouldn't do this is silly and childish and shows that you haven't thought your conspiracy theory through at all.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Kendoc 9/11 was very popular 9/11 site. You would not know that because you are not up to date on the conspiracy stuff. In fact you don't know much about the official 9/11 story either

You have not explained why they targeted him. Again the answer is that you don't know and your theory is nonsense.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Architects and Engineers for 9/11. Maybe they are hosting the information on their own server? Google would have to remove it? And maybe they will try eventually?

And again, you don't know. You conspiracy theory doesn't make sense here either.
If they can make Google move it in the rankings, they can remove the site easily. If they can have some rando's site taken off line, they can do it to others.
There's no reason why they wouldn't.

You have also dodged my question about why they allow Alex Jones to keep his website.

It's bizarre because you keep changing how the government works and what superpowers you think they have. You argue that they can control google entirely, but then also they can't make google do anything. They can make reddit do whatever they want, except remove a Subreddit, which is something reddit can totally do.
And this all just begs the question of why they are doing it in the first place.
Why not just lock up or erase the major conspiracy nuts? Why not just deny them access to the internet?

Cause if you are going to argue that they can't do that, and the worst they can do is what you originally claimed, it's a wonder they ever pulled off the conspiracy..

gctest50

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

For backing up stuff for protection?

Yip, backup any of those 9/11 sites you think are going to disappear

akeady

The Wayback Engine is your conspiratorial friend - 26th July seems to be the last time it was snapshotted with any content:

https://web.archive.org/web/*/kendoc911.wordpress.com

Conspire away

ATB,
A.

Dohnjoe

Actually ever since the main platforms booted Alex Jones off, I read that traffic to his Infowars site has decreased, massively

So yeah, it does work

The Nal

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Actually ever since the main platforms booted Alex Jones off, I read that traffic to his Infowars site has decreased, massively

So yeah, it does work

Traffic was initially up out of curiosity, people then realised he was a moron and ignored him.

Dohnjoe

The Nal wrote: »

Traffic was initially up out of curiosity, people then realised he was a moron and ignored him.

Yup

I am referring to the last few years, his average traffic is much lower now that he's been taken off the main platforms

Some were arguing that this would send him "underground" and thus make him more popular, apparently not