Was I being a d*ck or in the right or both?

2Mad2BeMad

Hi guys got into a bit of a shouting match today with a fellow driver.

The m50 heading northbound
There is 1 merging point from blanchardstown heading north and the other lane brings you directly onto the auxiliary lane.

I was in lane 1 on the m50 it was near crawling
The auxiliary lane was free up to the merging point so I pulled into the auxiliary lane as I was getting off at finglas.
There was 3 cars about to merge now remember we are crawling at this point barley doing 15km and my lane was free up to the merge so I let 2 cars out of the 3 ahead and the 3rd guy in a small can trys to merge ahead of me even though he was behind me.
We gave each other the finger and he decided to put his full beams on the whole way down to the finglas exit not like it done much in anyway.

I was willing to leave it alone at that until he got out of the car at the exit to finglas. He told me I was a dick for pulling into the lane early. I argued saying I had right of way and the auxiliary lane was clear plus I let other cars merge and that he was behind me coming to the merge.

Maybe I was being a dick going into the lane early but like i said it was near crawling.

Anyway I know his company and have his reg but I don't want to ring up if I was been a jerk even if I did have right of way.

So tell me guys was I being a dick?

Samuel T. Cogley

2 cocks stuck in a zip. Move on and forget about it.

2Mad2BeMad

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

2 cocks stuck in a zip. Move on and forget about it.

So was I or no?

Effects

He sounds like a knob but it's easier for you to forget it and move on.
It should be merge in turn and you'd already let two in to merge.

knucklehead6

Was he in the auxiallary lane and you pulled into it in front of him?

If so, he had right if way

2Mad2BeMad

Effects wrote: »

He sounds like a knob but it's easier for you to forget it and move on.
It should be merge in turn and you'd already let two in to merge.

I would of let all 3 in but I was ahead of him before he got to the merge.
And exactly how I thought it should go merge in turn.

2Mad2BeMad

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Was he in the auxiallary lane and you pulled into it in front of him?

If so, he had right if way

No I was in the aux lane he had to merge but I joined the aux lane about 50metres before the merge

I know I had right of way but I was wondering if joining the lane before a merge is frowned upon.
Obviously if the cars weren't crawling and where going motorway speeds I'd just wait until afterwards but seeing as I was stuck in traffic and getting off at finglas I joined the aux lane early before they had to merge.
I think he just wanted to be ahead of me cause life's not fair

lawred2

I can't really follow the story but giving each other the finger, flashing lights and shouting at each other would point to two lads acting like cocks

lawred2

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

No I was in the aux lane he had to merge but I joined the aux lane about 50metres before the merge

I know I had right of way but I was wondering if joining the lane before a merge is frowned upon.
Obviously if the cars weren't crawling and where going motorway speeds I'd just wait until afterwards but seeing as I was stuck in traffic and getting off at finglas I joined the aux lane early before they had to merge.
I think he just wanted to be ahead of me cause life's not fair

Did you cross striped lines between the two lanes?

CrankyHaus

The problem is that the inside slip lane your man was on ends at the merge point so you moving in effectively blocks him. If traffic was moving at speed and you pulled into the auxiliary lane before the merge point then you might force him to come to a stop at the merge point, which would be more dangerous than letting traffic flow freely around the merge point. So generally best practice would be to only move into the auxiliary lane from lane 1 once you're past the merge point.

If traffic was slow, stop, start then it makes little difference if you jumped in the auxiliary lane before the merge. It wouldn't be best practice but neither would be some ape trying to bully his way onto the motorway through traffic which had the right of way, misusing his full lights to intimidate drivers and jumping out (at the 3 lanes in front of the traffic lights on the N2 just south of the M50 interchange? that's mad) to give abuse. If I was bothered I'd call his employer and say that to prevent him causing an accident they should send him on a driving training course to explain priority at junctions, the correct use of lights, basic safety and courtesy to other drivers.

2Mad2BeMad

lawred2 wrote: »

I can't really follow the story but giving each other the finger, flashing lights and shouting at each other would point to two lads acting like cocks

If ur gonna dangerously try to undertake me in the hard shoulder and put full beams on me while I have a 10month old in the car the least ur getting is the finger

Dick Pickle

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

Hi guys got into a bit of a shouting match today with a fellow driver.

The m50 heading northbound
There is 1 merging point from blanchardstown heading north and the other lane brings you directly onto the auxiliary lane.

I was in lane 1 on the m50 it was near crawling
The auxiliary lane was free up to the merging point so I pulled into the auxiliary lane as I was getting off at finglas.
There was 3 cars about to merge now remember we are crawling at this point barley doing 15km and my lane was free up to the merge so I let 2 cars out of the 3 ahead and the 3rd guy in a small can trys to merge ahead of me even though he was behind me.
We gave each other the finger and he decided to put his full beams on the whole way down to the finglas exit not like it done much in anyway.

I was willing to leave it alone at that until he got out of the car at the exit to finglas. He told me I was a dick for pulling into the lane early. I argued saying I had right of way and the auxiliary lane was clear plus I let other cars merge and that he was behind me coming to the merge.

Maybe I was being a dick going into the lane early but like i said it was near crawling.

Anyway I know his company and have his reg but I don't want to ring up if I was been a jerk even if I did have right of way.

So tell me guys was I being a dick?

Yes

2Mad2BeMad

lawred2 wrote: »

Did you cross striped lines between the two lanes?

Nope there broken white lines

2Mad2BeMad

CrankyHaus wrote: »

The problem is that the inside slip lane your man was on ends at the merge point so you moving in effectively blocks him. If traffic was moving at speed and you pulled into the auxiliary lane before the merge point then you might force him to come to a stop at the merge point, which would be more dangerous than letting traffic flow freely around the merge point. So generally best practice would be to only move into the auxiliary lane from lane 1 once you're past the merge point.

If traffic was slow, stop, start then it makes little difference if you jumped in the auxiliary lane before the merge. It wouldn't be best practice but neither would be some ape trying to bully his way onto the motorway through traffic which had the right of way, misusing his full lights to intimidate drivers and jumping out (at the 3 lanes in front of the traffic lights on the N2 just south of the M50 interchange? that's mad) to give abuse. If I was bothered I'd call his employer and say that to prevent him causing an accident they should send him on a driving training course to explain priority at junctions, the correct use of lights, basic safety and courtesy to other drivers.

Ya it was slow moving traffic and he got out at the exit there was more traffic there in a single lane just before the bend.

lawred2

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

If ur gonna dangerously try to undertake me in the hard shoulder and put full beams on me while I have a 10month old in the car the least ur getting is the finger

Cool.

So you pulled out in front of him? Why not wait? Did you force him to brake?

These situations are easily avoided.

2Mad2BeMad

lawred2 wrote: »

So you pulled out in front of him? Why not wait? Did you force him to brake?

These situations are easily avoided.

I didn't pull out in front of him I was ahead of him before the merge. Traffic was also crawling. And he's the one who had to merge not me

Nice ninja edit with the cool btw

lawred2

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

I didn't pull out in front of him I was ahead of him before the merge. Traffic was also crawling. And he's the one who had to merge not me

Nice ninja edit with the cool btw

To be honest - even though I use the M50 regularly I can't visualize what happened here at all. Low coffee levels.

People are best ignored when they act aggressive in these situations.

CrankyHaus

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

Ya it was slow moving traffic and he got out at the exit there was more traffic there in a single lane just before the bend.

You mean the single lane slip road from the M50 Northbound to the N2 Southbound, the one that spirals to the left to do a 270 degree turn? That's a crazy place to get out, even in stopped traffic, it's still effectively a motorway, you have a risk of motorcyclists filtering through at enough speed to cause a bad accident if you're getting in and out of your car.



Roughly what speed was the traffic merging into the M50 at Blanchardstown, including this guy, going at as they came down the slip road? was it much faster than the traffic on the M50?



TBH at rush hour you get carry on like this all the time. Last week on the N1 northbound I had to stand on the brakes to avoid people side-swiping me as they barged into my lane, on 3 occasions in a single short drive. I decided it's not worth the hassle of getting annoyed by it and I just avoid the worst of rush hour as much as possible.

2Mad2BeMad

lawred2 wrote: »

To be honest - even though I use the M50 regularly I can't visualize what happened here at all. Low coffee levels.

People are best ignored when they act aggressive in these situations.

I know I explained it badly
It would better if i could show it on a map with a drawing but im on me phone and i dont think its worth doing i best just forget it and move on.
Just annoyed me that he got so aggressive because he couldn't get ahead by 1 car length


Cheers folks happy Thursday! :P

jprboy

CrankyHaus wrote: »

TBH at rough hour you get carry on like this all the time.

:pac: Better name for it alright!

granturismo

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

If ur gonna dangerously try to undertake me in the hard shoulder and put full beams on me while I have a 10month old in the car the least ur getting is the finger

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

... now remember we are crawling at this point barley doing 15km ...Maybe I was being a dick going into the lane early but like i said it was near crawling.
So tell me guys was I being a dick?

How is this dangerous at barely crawling speeds?

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

Hi guys got into a bit of a shouting match today with a fellow driver.

So tell me guys was I being a dick?

How does having a child in your car absolve you from any blame. How was your child endangered by crawling traffic and bright headlights that werent shining into its face? If either of you couldnt avoid an impact at 'barely crawling' speeds, the judgement of both drivers needs to be questioned. Just cos someone else may be in the wrong doesnt mean you can proceed if you place your sense of righteousness above your child's safety.

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

So tell me guys was I being a dick?

Yes and so was the other driver.

Rulmeq

Is this where you're talking about?
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3891501,-6.3528547,3a,75y,76.68h,71.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smGgfYsoPvFAO3qXcvFp7JQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

So you were in the left lane of the motorway, and you merged into the Auxiliary lane?

incentsitive

I've got the frozen music in my head. "Let it go, let it go....."

2Mad2BeMad

granturismo wrote: »

How is this dangerous at barely crawling speeds?




How does having a child in your car absolve you from any blame. How was your child endangered by crawling traffic and bright headlights that werent shining into its face? If either of you couldnt avoid an impact at 'barely crawling' speeds, the judgement of both drivers needs to be questioned. Just cos someone else may be in the wrong doesnt mean you can proceed if you place your sense of righteousness above your child's safety.



Yes and so was the other driver.

Crawling at the merge
Tried to undertake me when traffic freed from the aux lane

I mentioned my child because one poster was wondering why I gave the finger back.
I was fuming he'd put our lives at risk by doing a dangerous movement long after the merge
Bright lights blind a driver so if I'm blind I can't drive can I?
I was in the right and he merged at crawling speed he took it a step further when speed picked up further down the road.

Also what blame I had right of way .

So thanks for the advice but you clearly haven't read the thread properly.

cruizer101

How far back from the merge point did you move into the auxiliary lane?
When you changed lane could you see the three cars coming down the merge lane?

If it was a late enough lane change its a bit dickish alright.

Call me Al

I know the junction. You were being a bit of an bad-mannered smart alec in how you went about the whole thing, but the minute he got out of the car and approached you he crossed a line.

I'd worry for his anger management ability to be honest, when he can't let something like this go. There will always be smart alecs on the m50, swapping lanes and shooting up the slip roads. You can't go nuclear with every perceived slight against you.

2Mad2BeMad

cruizer101 wrote: »

How far back from the merge point did you move into the auxiliary lane?
When you changed lane could you see the three cars coming down the merge lane?

If it was a late enough lane change its a bit dickish alright.

About 50 to 100 metres when it started
There was traffic at the merge so them 3 cars were just crawling up stuck in traffic to the merge where as my lane was free from traffic up to the merge so I slowed down abit to let 2 of 3 go ahead then I went. I was a ahead of the van at the merge

hmmm

I think it's bad form to enter the aux lane before the merge, and make the merge more difficult and stressful. But he shouldn't be getting out of his car for things like this.

2Mad2BeMad

Call me Al wrote: »

I know the junction. You were being a bit of an bad-mannered smart alec in how you went about the whole thing, but the minute he got out of the car and approached you he crossed a line.

I'd worry for his anger management ability to be honest, when he can't let something like this go. There will always be smart alecs on the m50, swapping lanes and shooting up the slip roads. You can't go nuclear with every perceived slight against you.

Ya I had a feeling I was been a jerk
I guess an ignorant jerk because I didn't see anything wrong with what I was doing but lesson learned il wait til after the merge to swap into the aux lane.
Ya he was abit nuts only a young lad as well.

Cheers

incentsitive

Sounds like the 2 of you were 1 step away from having them out on the bonnet and getting a measuring tape.....

Del2005

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

Crawling at the merge
Tried to undertake me when traffic freed from the aux lane

I mentioned my child because one poster was wondering why I gave the finger back.
I was fuming he'd put our lives at risk by doing a dangerous movement long after the merge
Bright lights blind a driver so if I'm blind I can't drive can I?
I was in the right and he merged at crawling speed he took it a step further when speed picked up further down the road.

Also what blame I had right of way .

So thanks for the advice but you clearly haven't read the thread properly.

Your child only saw your action of giving the finger to another motorist, not a good example.

In every car I've driven there has been the ability to change the mirror so that ignorant drivers can't blind you, learn where it is in your car as with the nights getting longer it'll happen again.

Both of you where dicks, but the other driver crossed the line when they got out of the car.

2Mad2BeMad

Del2005 wrote: »

Your child only saw your action of giving the finger to another motorist, not a good example.

In every car I've driven there has been the ability to change the mirror so that ignorant drivers can't blind you, learn where it is in your car as with the nights getting longer it'll happen again.

Both of you where dicks, but the other driver crossed the line when they got out of the car.

He was asleep. Don't need parenting advice cheers buddy. Your clearly not a parent anyway or you'd be as mad as I was for someone risking you and your child's safety.
I already said I was not blind and that his full beams during the day was pointless. It was the tried undertake and having them on was himn intentionally trying to do me harm.

I'm going to put you on ignore now cause I feel like your trolling so goodbye

Wildly Boaring

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

If ur gonna dangerously try to undertake me in the hard shoulder and put full beams on me while I have a 10month old in the car the least ur getting is the finger

Myself and another few lads who all do traffic management sharing war stories yesterday.

The fellas who stop to roar and shout (while in the wrong) always have a young child in the car. And always crowbar said child into their rant.

Relax. It's the m50. They're will be dopes everywhere. You're right, he's right, who cares. Get on with life.

Trasna1

I've never understood this: people saying that they have children with them as if it entitles them to some sort of moral high ground. "And my child was in the car!!" :rolleyes:

It might come to a shock to some parents, but no one else cares about your progeny.

lawred2

OSI wrote: »

You were on the motorway, he was attempting to join the motorway. The onus is on him to join the motorway in a safe and controlled manner, not on you to accommodate him.

Yeah but the OP was also leaving the motorway was he not?

CrankyHaus

lawred2 wrote: »

Yeah but the OP was also leaving the motorway was he not?

2 to 3 km down the road.

McCrack

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

He was asleep. Don't need parenting advice cheers buddy. Your clearly not a parent anyway or you'd be as mad as I was for someone risking you and your child's safety.
I already said I was not blind and that his full beams during the day was pointless. It was the tried undertake and having them on was himn intentionally trying to do me harm.

I'm going to put you on ignore now cause I feel like your trolling so goodbye

Leaving aside your driving and inability to not react to other drivers - you're demonstrating a level of immaturity in your posts

incentsitive

McCrack wrote: »

Leaving aside your driving and inability to not react to other drivers - you're demonstrating a level of immaturity in your posts

Good luck spending the next 30-40 years on the M50 and other roads if he is going to react to everything, that's all I'll say. (Given the young child, I suspect OP is a fairly young man).

Through getting worked up about it, and creating this thread, I suspect OP has just creating more stress for himself than if he had laughed the original incident off.

I have had the fingers given to me on the road. Just ******* laugh at him for being so worked up - they absolutely hate that!! His ideal reaction was you getting into an argument with him.

There are idiots on our roads, I seen somebody stop a taxi the other day clearly looking for directions when some lad came up behind him (wearing a Limerick jersey which said it all) and blew him out of it. FFS like.

Nobody wants to be sitting in crap traffic, but what is the point in having such road rage? Neither of you saved 30 seconds on your commute. If you get stressed in traffic, change the radio to something relaxing, deep breaths, and ignore the a55holes who just want an 8am fight.

Who cares who was right and who was wrong. Get over it!

lawred2

incentsitive wrote: »

Good luck spending the next 30-40 years on the M50 and other roads if he is going to react to everything, that's all I'll say. (Given the young child, I suspect OP is a fairly young man).

Through getting worked up about it, and creating this thread, I suspect OP has just creating more stress for himself than if he had laughed the original incident off.

I have had the fingers given to me on the road. Just ******* laugh at him for being so worked up - they absolutely hate that!! His ideal reaction was you getting into an argument with him.

There are idiots on our roads, I seen somebody stop a taxi the other day clearly looking for directions when some lad came up behind him (wearing a Limerick jersey which said it all) and blew him out of it. FFS like.

Nobody wants to be sitting in crap traffic, but what is the point in having such road rage? Neither of you saved 30 seconds on your commute. If you get stressed in traffic, change the radio to something relaxing, deep breaths, and ignore the a55holes who just want an 8am fight.

Who cares who was right and who was wrong. Get over it!

wtf lol

raxy

I don't get why people are saying you can't get into the lane early. If the road markings don't prohibit it then there is nothing wrong with it.
The other driver was however trying to merge into a different lane so in my view is in the wrong. That wouldn't bother me so much though, I've had far worse things done to me while driving.
Him getting out of the car is completely unacceptable though. I would complain to whatever company he works for. He's driving a car with their branding on it so it representing that company on the road.

dudara

Surely the whole point of auxiliary lanes is to get drivers to enter them earlier for their exits, thus removing them as traffic from the regular lanes? My view is that once the auxiliary lane is available to you, you should be in it.

I feel like I’m not understanding the situation correctly? If the other driver was merging, the. The onus is on him to merge. So why was he annoyed at you being in the lane?

V8 Interceptor

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

No I was in the aux lane he had to merge but I joined the aux lane about 50metres before the merge

I know I had right of way but I was wondering if joining the lane before a merge is frowned upon.
Obviously if the cars weren't crawling and where going motorway speeds I'd just wait until afterwards but seeing as I was stuck in traffic and getting off at finglas I joined the aux lane early before they had to merge.
I think he just wanted to be ahead of me cause life's not fair

Am I the only one who gets very confused trying to make sense of these scenarios posted on here?

Zatoichi

dudara wrote: »

Surely the whole point of auxiliary lanes is to get drivers to enter them earlier for their exits, thus removing them as traffic from the regular lanes? My view is that once the auxiliary lane is available to you, you should be in it.

I feel like I’m not understanding the situation correctly? If the other driver was merging, the. The onus is on him to merge. So why was he annoyed at you being in the lane?

I feel like there might be a general confusion about the auxiliary lane because of what may be consider good etiquette in moving over to the driving lane if there are cars trying to merge ahead, and then moving back when you can, to take your exit.

If the traffic was crawling as he says, then the onus is absolutely on the merging traffic to merge safely giving priority to cars already on the road. If I read it right, the OP said the smaller car was behind him when he let the other two cars out, and then tried speeding up to effectively barge the OP off the road to allow him to merge.

mikeecho

Stop loosing sleep over it, and move on.

Jebus Christ... this snow flake generation.....

V8 Interceptor

OSI wrote: »

You were on the motorway, he was attempting to join the motorway. The onus is on him to join the motorway in a safe and controlled manner, not on you to accommodate him.

I don't think he was on the Motorway.

Isambard

I can't see what you did wrong, just forget it.

Isambard

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

I don't think he was on the Motorway.

if I read it right the guy was behind the OP in lane one and then tried to hop in front of him and merge into the auxiliary lane in front of him, OP then prevented him doing so (maybe unintentionally) and got the finger for his efforts.

yop

25 yrs driving and I'm head scratching to figure out what the OP was up to. On the motorway, not on the motorway, auxiallary lanes and traffic trying to merge.
From a VERY simplistic point of view you both were trying to get somewhere, neither seemed to be able to just relax and not get worked up, otherwise known as acting like adults and show some common courteousy.

If you need us to validate what happened, then you can take it that you felt you did something wrong, so take it as a lesson for the future.

And relax, otherwise you'll get into these situations again.

Have a nice day

V8 Interceptor

Isambard wrote: »

if I read it right the guy was behind the OP in lane one and then tried to hop in front of him and merge into the auxiliary lane in front of him, OP then prevented him doing so (maybe unintentionally) and got the finger for his efforts.

I thought it was the opposite!

IE The OP hopped into the auxiliary lane in front of yer man who was trying to get out of the merge lane into lane one at the bottom of the slip.

Wetbench4

Trasna1 wrote: »

I've never understood this: people saying that they have children with them as if it entitles them to some sort of moral high ground. "And my child was in the car!!" :rolleyes:

It might come to a shock to some parents, but no one else cares about your progeny.

I understand what he means. Some dads(or mothers), like myself are very protective of their kids, and in situations like this, we can maybe be overly protective.

So this can have a major impact on how some people react in dangerous situations when their baby is in the car. I personally think that's normal behaviour of a lot of dads. It might not be correct but i don't see it as being unusual.

V8 Interceptor

Wetbench4 wrote: »

I understand what he means. Some dads(or mothers), like myself are very protective of their kids, and in situations like this, we can maybe be overly protective.

So this can have a major impact on how some people react in dangerous situations when their baby is in the car. I personally think that's normal behaviour of a lot of dads. It might not be correct but i don't see it as being unusual.

If anything it should make the driver less likely to get himself into a "situation" with someone else like the OP did. That's the opposite of being protective imo.