Holy water?

Roger Hassenforder

Is holy water homeopathic?

If a priest tops up a half full/empty barrel of holy water, would its holiness be diluted and its efficacy reduced, so you'd need more for the spells?

Or would the existing water "imbue" the new water with holiness?

Does the pH, temperature and hardness affect holy waters property?

Ipso

Is it clear of toxins?

McMurphy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2AXWGg-tt8

Roger Hassenforder

Also, who is liable for any killing any cryptosporidium present?
God or the supplier?

Thanks

uch

Only time I seen Holy water was going down the bath Plughole

Yer Da sells Avon

If you drink it, your wee becomes magic.

The Rape of Lucretia

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Is holy water homeopathic?

Of course not. Homeopathy is a medical science with a long proven track record of improving health and curing illness. It is a taught and regulated profession, requiring in depth study to be able to practice it, by such bodies as The Homeopathy Research Institute, The Irish School of Homeopathy, and the British Institute of Homeopathy.
Holy Water - is just make believe for the superstitious, the simple minded, and the desperate.

wexie

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

If a priest tops up a half full/empty barrel of holy water, would its holiness be diluted and its efficacy reduced, so you'd need more for the spells?

I think if they top it up they bless it again don't they? Thereby making sure that the water that was already there is blessed twice (at least) increasing the strength and potency....so it's definitely not homepathic

wexie

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Of course not. Homeopathy is a medical science with a long proven track record of improving health and curing illness. It is a taught and regulated profession, requiring in depth study to be able to practice it, by such bodies as The Homeopathy Research Institute, The Irish School of Homeopathy, and the British Institute of Homeopathy.
Holy Water - is just make believe for the superstitious, the simple minded, and the desperate.

twowheelsonly

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Of course not. Homeopathy is a medical science with a long proven track record of improving health and curing illness. It is a taught and regulated profession, requiring in depth study to be able to practice it, by such bodies as The Homeopathy Research Institute, The Irish School of Homeopathy, and the British Institute of Homeopathy.
Holy Water - is just make believe for the superstitious, the simple minded, and the desperate.

To paraphrase you, many, including the NHS, would have you believe that Homeopathy is just make believe for the superstitious, the simple minded, and the desperate. Pot, kettle, black and all that...

henryporter

Do they still have Holy water on tap in Knock?

Akrasia

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Of course not. Homeopathy is a medical science with a long proven track record of improving health and curing illness. It is a taught and regulated profession, requiring in depth study to be able to practice it, by such bodies as The Homeopathy Research Institute, The Irish School of Homeopathy, and the British Institute of Homeopathy.
Holy Water - is just make believe for the superstitious, the simple minded, and the desperate.

I don't know if you're joking here, but homeopathy is very far from medical science

corner of hells

henryporter wrote: »

Do they still have Holy water on tap in Knock?

Yes , but at the moment the hosepipe ban is still in effect so if you want to water a plant , you need to get a bucket.

kneemos

henryporter wrote: »

Do they still have Holy water on tap in Knock?

How does that work?

Did they bless the well?
















Well bless you.

A goblet of holy water will cure you, so sayeth that Indiana Jones documentary.

kneemos

Could a priest bathe in holy water then?

wexie

Deleted User wrote: »

A goblet of holy water will cure you, so sayeth that Indiana Jones documentary.

That wasn't a goblet of holy water.

That was a holy goblet of water

CinemaGuy45

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Is holy water homeopathic?

If a priest tops up a half full/empty barrel of holy water, would its holiness be diluted and its efficacy reduced, so you'd need more for the spells?

Or would the existing water "imbue" the new water with holiness?

Does the pH, temperature and hardness affect holy waters property?

kneemos

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Top tip.

CinemaGuy45

kneemos wrote: »

Top tip.

Bless you my child.;)

Roger Hassenforder

henryporter wrote: »

Do they still have Holy water on tap in Knock?

I think the priests blessed the aquifer.
All recharge and abstracted water thus of sufficient holiness

Gael23

Drink your piss and see if you have any spells cast upon you.

Purple Mountain

I also have a gripe when the priest invites anybody who is coeliac to sip from the wine chalice instead of eating the bread.
Yes..but isn't the host now gluten free as it's the flesh of Christ?
Transubstantiation yaddi yadda.
See, I did listen in religion class.

decky1

my father always said 'holy water will not boil' don't know why he thought this.?

Star Bingo

It’ll ward off your demons

Atoms for Peace

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A goblet of holy water will cure you, so sayeth that Indiana Jones documentary.

But picking the wrong one could lead to serious dehydration.

cumulonimbus

With all the people dipping their hands in the font, it must be full of germs. Would those germs be holy also?

Mrs OBumble

Purple Mountain wrote: »

I also have a gripe when the priest invites anybody who is coeliac to sip from the wine chalice instead of eating the bread.
Yes..but isn't the host now gluten free as it's the flesh of Christ?
Transubstantiation yaddi yadda.
See, I did listen in religion class.

But you mitched part 2 where they explained about how it keeps all the properties it had before.

Badly Drunk Boy

Purple Mountain wrote: »

I also have a gripe when the priest invites anybody who is coeliac to sip from the wine chalice instead of eating the bread.
Yes..but isn't the host now gluten free as it's the flesh of Christ?
Transubstantiation yaddi yadda.
See, I did listen in religion class.

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

But you mitched part 2 where they explained about how it keeps all the properties it had before.

So if you believe in transubstantiation, coelics can take communion but vegetarians/vegans can't. Right.

cumulonimbus wrote: »

With all the people dipping their hands in the font, it must be full of germs. Would those germs be holy also?

The germs combine with the holy water to create super-immunity elixir. I thought everybody knew that!

ohnonotgmail

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

But you mitched part 2 where they explained about how it keeps all the properties it had before.

Exactly. As with all things catholic intelligent and highly educated people (mostly men to be fair) have pondered over every aspect.



https://www.catholic.com/qa/celiac-disease-and-transubstantiation

wexie

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Exactly. As with all things catholic intelligent and highly educated people (mostly men to be fair) have pondered over every aspect.
https://www.catholic.com/qa/celiac-disease-and-transubstantiation

But in the change the accidental properties remain. This means that everything that pertains to the senses remains: what it looks like, what it tastes like, the spatial location it occupies, and the effects it has on the body. As such, transubstantiation doesn’t negate the fact that those with celiac disease can still be affected negatively when partaking of the host

That's mad!! And here was me thinking that transubstantiation was just a load of bollocks

Roger Hassenforder

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Exactly. As with all things catholic intelligent and highly educated people (mostly men to be fair) have pondered over every aspect.

https://www.catholic.com/qa/celiac-disease-and-transubstantiation

"You can call me Doctor Father Tom, I've a doctorate in theology...several papers published on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, and such pressing matters..."


So who peer reviews the experts in theology, other theologians...

irishguitarlad

https://youtu.be/s7srvA1V740

Deebles McBeebles

decky1 wrote: »

my father always said 'holy water will not boil' don't know why he thought this.?

If a watched kettle never boils maybe he should walked out of the kitchen for a minute.

ohnonotgmail

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

"You can call me Doctor Father Tom, I've a doctorate in theology...several papers published on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, and such pressing matters..."


So who peer reviews the experts in theology, other theologians...

well of course. they will be the authors peers.

PlaneSpeeking

Oh ffs. Take the religion bashing elsewhere eh ? Boring now.

NIMAN

decky1 wrote: »

my father always said 'holy water will not boil' don't know why he thought this.?

Did you ever tell your dad he's a fool?

Make a bet with him and take the easy money!

nozzferrahhtoo

wexie wrote: »

That's mad!! And here was me thinking that transubstantiation was just a load of bollocks

It might be. I have never personally heard it specified which part of this guys body it is meant to be turning into.

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Oh ffs. Take the religion bashing elsewhere eh ? Boring now.

That, or we could investigate why most people seem to have the ability to open the threads that interest them, and skip over the ones that do not...... while a small vocal minority do not.

wexie

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

It might be. I have never personally heard it specified which part of this guys body it is meant to be turning into. .

Gotta be toenails no?

Cee-Jay-Cee

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

If a watched kettle never boils maybe he should walked out of the kitchen for a minute.

I watched my kettle boil earlier this morning so that saying has been well and truly debunked.

wexie

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

I watched my kettle boil earlier this morning so that saying has been well and truly debunked.

was there holy water in it though?

(and if so.....why?)

sbsquarepants

I was a christening before (or was it a wedding I can't remember) it was in Mount Argus though and they have kegs of holy water stacked up beside the jacks. Kegs!

nozzferrahhtoo

wexie wrote: »

Gotta be toenails no?

The consistency of the last one I ate would certainly suggest this as a possibility.

Actually I have eaten testicles. Not Human ones. And the texture is certainly comparable to the magic crackers.

Berserker

Yawn on the RCC bashing but I'm still intrigued by this. How do you measure the success rate of holy water? If you have gastroenteritis, for example and your symptoms subside a few days after you use it, has the water cured you or has your body remedied the situation naturally? What makes it holy in the first place?

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

So who peer reviews the experts in theology, other theologians...

Peer reviews are performed in the same manner as pretty much every other academic field out there, I'd imagine. They've put the work into gaining expert level knowledge in their field, so I don't see the issue with it.

nozzferrahhtoo

Berserker wrote: »

Yawn on the RCC bashing but I'm still intrigued by this. How do you measure the success rate of holy water? If you have gastroenteritis, for example and your symptoms subside a few days after you use it, has the water cured you or has your body remedied the situation naturally?

Yea "return to the mean" is an issue for us in epidemiology. When trying to measure the efficacy of a treatment or drug we have to do our best to take into account that a certain % of people will get better anyway, nothing to do with the drug.

And it is often not easy, and sometimes not even possible, to account for that. However with things like Holy Water and visits to "Knock" and the like there are other ways to do it. One can look at "cures" these things offer and compare it to the % of people you would expect to get better naturally.

And some things fare worse. For example the cure rate claimed at Lourdes for cancer appears to be markedly less than spontaneous remission. Meaning you have a better chance of dying because of Lourdes than being cured because of it.

In the University of Vienna they found >85% of holy water held bacteria consistent with fecal matter and that holy water from Lourdes specifically had caused hospital patients to receive infections.

Visits to there to get your holy water will certainly cure you of your money however. Interestingly in 2008 the pope offered plenary indulgence to anyone who visited Lourdes. Coincidentally, but unconnected I am sure, close to the time when Vatican Airlines was launched to get you there.

Whatever else you could bash the church with, you have to admire their business model.

topper75

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I think the priests blessed the aquifer.
All recharge and abstracted water thus of sufficient holiness

But wouldn't the extra suspended particles make the holy water denser and thus it would never make it to the surface due to gravity? unless maybe there was a spring placed at the bottom of a slope.

God, being Creator, made all the water on Day 1. So how could he make something without blessing it? This might entail that He made something imperfect, which cannot be the case with Him being perfect.
So work away folks - it is all holy. Sprinkle it on any orange parade that may pass your way.

wexie

topper75 wrote: »

But wouldn't the extra suspended particles

Which particles? the holiness particles?

I bet the guys at CERN are working really hard to isolate them.

nozzferrahhtoo

wexie wrote: »

I bet the guys at CERN are working really hard to isolate them.

I have always loved the story, though I have not yet checked if it is true, that the "God Particle" the media went a little nutty over for awhile was actually a contraction.

In fact the Scientists who coined the name actually had called it the "Goddamn particle" due to the difficulty involved in finding it.

mcmoustache

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Of course not. Homeopathy is a medical science with a long proven track record of improving health and curing illness. It is a taught and regulated profession, requiring in depth study to be able to practice it, by such bodies as The Homeopathy Research Institute, The Irish School of Homeopathy, and the British Institute of Homeopathy.
Holy Water - is just make believe for the superstitious, the simple minded, and the desperate.

I wonder if the Catholic could create such institutes to verify the integrity of holy water and bring it up to the standards of Homeopathy?

They could create a labelling system which could include its holiness factor among other things. A graduated scale from 1 to 10 would allow people to make informed decisions when purchasing their holy water. For example, factor 1 would be good enough to prevent sunburn at night, factor 5 would relieve the pain of ginger hair while factor 10 would cure amputations.

This way consumers could make informed decisions and avoid the embarrassment of tossing factor 2 holy water on their knob in a sad attempt to get it up because they'd know that you need factor 4 holy water for that.

Roger Hassenforder

You'd have to have some certification process, maybe even an ISO standard.

And there'll be rip offs, a knock off offering level 5 efficacy for half the price of an ISO certified level 5, probably only tap water instead of the real thing.