How to Fix RTE?

hatrickpatrick

the-island-man wrote: »

Always cracks me up....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu6d0ns-JJU

Ah, but I was quoting the rap remix sir

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qWPKVFLJM8

VinLieger

Cabaal wrote: »

You think 300million odd will run all of RTE..this includes radio stations, RTE1, 2, TG4, online services and create homegrown content as well as improve all these services?
:rolleyes:

Remember, the person above that I responded to wants no adverts too so the only revenue stream would be the license fee.

If you think 300million odd will do everything then you don't live in the real world.

300 million would be enough to do exactly as needed and have basic news and some homegrown programming. Homegrown programming is in part so expensive due to how mismanaged RTE is and its production staff are never held to account for any of the gross overspending that occurs due to their ridiculous work practices.



Cut RTE in half so it can do news, sports and a bit for homegrown, why would we need anything else sure don't we all have basically 300+ channels for the rest or as any sensible person should be doing simply cut the cable and go full streaming/online.

end of the road

OneEightSeven wrote: »

Funding for most media outlets are voluntary. RTE and BBC are involuntary, this is why state broadcasters should be impartial..

it's the tv licence that is involuntary. it so happens that both in ireland and the uk the money goes to the state broadcasters. but even if the state broadcasters no longer existed,, it's likely that we would still need a licence to own a tv.
i find that both rte and the bbc are impartial. however as i said before, some on one side of a particular argument will always think both broadcasters aren't impartial because they may not report in a manner that suits that particular person's side of an argument or agenda.

OneEightSeven wrote: »

I've also yet to hear of anyone describe RTE and BBC as far-left, unless the real motive of TV licenses is to redistribute the wealth to people like Gary Lineker and Chris Evans, in which case they have it arse backwards because they're both loaded.

i have over the years, seen people across the internet describe the bbc as both far left and far right. granted i don't really see this sort of commentary these days.

end of the road

machiavellianme wrote: »

Where's the national industrial metal band or the national synthpop band? Plenty of artists in those genres engage children and adults.
If orchestral music can't stand on its own two feet the same way as any other genre, then it clearly isn't thriving. Bar a handful of workings by Handel and a few others on these shores, we haven't exactly set the world alight in composition.
Dispensation might be made for one orchestra, but two?

orchestral music is a non-issue in terms of funding to rte . it wouldn't be standing on it's own 2 feet whether the orchestras remain with rte or went elsewhere. they would highly likely remain publically funded.

Bob24 wrote: »

Don’t forget RTÉ is a public entity though. And if the goal was to bring as much revenue as possible from high audience time slots, there would be better ways of doing it than hiring these people.

In the context of delivering a public service, saying their higher salaries are justified because they bring in more revenue than other types of broadcasts - and weaker time slots! - is like saying it would be justified to pay civil servants working for the revenue commissioner more that those working for the HSE because the first group brings in revenue and the second costs money.

So either RTÉ sees itself as a public entity with a public service mission and pays employees in a way which allows it to deliver the best public service (it currently isn’t but what is good public service in this context should be defined clearly and imposed upon RTɒs management - and while expensive and not very financially rewarding, running an orchestra is definitly more of a public service to me than hosting an entertainment talk show), or it sees itself more as a for profit entity but then it should stop relying on public funds.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think RTÉ shouldn’t care about its cash flow and audience levels. But while applying a purely commercial logic to justify high salaries is perfectly fine (and makes sense) in the context of a privately funded organisation, doing the same for publicly funded one would sound pretty hypocritical to me as it would be a way to set yourself as a direct competitor and equivalent of private broadcasters, while knowing you have an unfair advantage compared to them gifted by the public and none of what you are doing would exist without these public funds.

we are all assuming here that rte is making the choice in terms of behaving in part like a commercial entity. i have a feeling that may not be so, that possibly successive governments have decreed that this is how rte should run. it explains why a couple of our public services part operate in the manner of a commercial/private entity.
as for paying people who bring in the most money a high wage, that is how the broadcast industry tends to work and in theory at least, if we want good quality broadcasters on a public service then that has to be paid for. of course good quality is subjective and there are some on rte who aren't good at all, but clearly they are doing something right as people obviously watch them for better or worse.

VinLieger wrote: »

300 million would be enough to do exactly as needed and have basic news and some homegrown programming. Homegrown programming is in part so expensive due to how mismanaged RTE is and its production staff are never held to account for any of the gross overspending that occurs due to their ridiculous work practices.

some questions based on this as i haven't heard about any of this.
1. in what way are rte's production staff not held to account?
2. what have they over-spent on?
3. what are their ridiculous work practices?

VinLieger wrote: »

Cut RTE in half so it can do news, sports and a bit for homegrown, why would we need anything else sure don't we all have basically 300+ channels for the rest or as any sensible person should be doing simply cut the cable and go full streaming/online.

a lot of us have 300+ channels, but realistically, on the majority of them there is f all. as for online streaming, that may not be viable for everyone as not everyone will have strong enough internet. hopefully they will in the near future though.

Roger Hassenforder

Decimation.

And then more decimation.

Irish Kings

Jimmy. wrote: »

Stop putting Miriam on the RTÉ guide every week anyway.

agreed the pics are all a bit saggy at this stage

Irish Kings

Jimmy. wrote: »

Stop putting Miriam on the RTÉ guide every week anyway.

agreed her pics are saggy at this stage

Roger Hassenforder

Probably still would though

The Rape of Lucretia

machiavellianme wrote: »

Where's the national industrial metal band or the national synthpop band? Plenty of artists in those genres engage children and adults.
If orchestral music can't stand on its own two feet the same way as any other genre, then it clearly isn't thriving. Bar a handful of workings by Handel and a few others on these shores, we haven't exactly set the world alight in composition.
Dispensation might be made for one orchestra, but two?

'We' composed for Handel ?

We do need the two orchestra all right though. Ireland if musically very weak. Embarrassingly so really, and taxing the wider population to raise their level of appreciation of good music is beyond argument, a good policy. Whether it is channelled through RTE or otherwise is just an administrative detail though.

(John Field by the way, is Ireland only worthwhile contribution to the musical landscape of the world. And not bad at all he were).

10000maniacs

Cabaal wrote: »

For those claiming both orchestras should be shut down,
Complete disregard for good music and culture, shame on you.

Its not just about some music, its support arts, they entertain and engage children and adults, wanting to scrap them altogether shows a high level of ignorance

I don't think anybody was saying shut them down. But they are too much of a shoulder of burden for RTE. Privatize them and let them market themselves. Have an Irish version of The Proms and market the recordings.

NIMAN

vicwatson wrote: »

Stop paying those “top 10” exhorbitant amounts of our cash for starters. Rte think they are the national broadcaster of america ffs

Set a wage cap of €100,000.
Its utter madness that in a tiny market like Ireland, people can be paid half a million plus to chat on the radio for a couple of hours a day.

If you aren't happy with that, go sell your talent abroad.

dxhound2005

machiavellianme wrote: »

Nonsense. The top 10 have prime time slots. Advertisers pay for this regardless of whether it's Miriam, Marty or Marian. The people who watch and listen to these programmes are often victims of circumstance, trapped in waiting rooms, hospital wards, nursing homes or just watch the "late late" because they've always done. Sure, there's a handful of people who might like Ryan Tubridy and /or Ray D'Arcy but I've yet to meet one, however, I've met hundreds who complain about them. These RTE cronies offer neither insight nor entertainment in their textbook interviews. If you put any presenter in those slots you'd see the same level of revenue and possibly even more because the public might be interested to see how a new face might succeed as surely the newcomer couldn't be as poor as the incumbents.

You've obviously done your research around the hospitals and waiting rooms. But your reasoning about the Late Late is a bit suspect.

I think we move in different circles. I have never had a conversation with anyone about radio presenters. I wonder in what circumstances someone would have hundreds of such interactions?

Jimmy.

More Mary Kennedy with less clothing.

For Forks Sake

As for trying to make the orchestras relevant....stop copying ideas that have been done before, and done better.

Jimmy.

No one is remotely interested in getting a picture of her pussys either.

For Forks Sake

Jimmy. wrote: »

More Mary Kennedy with less clothing.

Ipso

Star Bingo wrote: »

There’s a lack of adventure in RTE where’s the irish bear grylls. Ireland’s Most Dangerous Roads? Dual Survivor in the comeragh mountains.... why was it down to the BBC to pack Ed n Dara off to Mandalay

But they ended up showing Youth Hostelling (*) with Chris Eubank (**)

* B&Bs
** Daniel O'Donnell

RocketRaccoon

For Forks Sake wrote: »

As for trying to make the orchestras relevant....stop copying ideas that have been done before, and done better.

Jenny greene has been doing it since 2016, same as Pete Tong I think.

For Forks Sake

Ipso wrote: »

But they ended up showing Youth Hostelling (*) with Chris Eubank (**)

* B&Bs
** Daniel O'Donnell

Monkey* Tennis** with Nathan Carter

*sheep
**hurling

For Forks Sake

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Jenny greene has been doing it since 2016, same as Pete Tong I think.

Tong recorded and released Classic House, then RTE had an "idea" I think.
He's onto round 2 at this stage.

RocketRaccoon

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Tong recorded and released Classic House, then RTE had an "idea" I think.
He's onto round 2 at this stage.

So are RTE, they've moved on to the rap/hiphop equivalent of it. I don't like much of what RTE do but the concert orchestra really are fantastic.

Star Bingo

It’s all gone Pete Tong bring back Jo Maxi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mewDYCneM8

end of the road

10000maniacs wrote: »

I don't think anybody was saying shut them down. But they are too much of a shoulder of burden for RTE. Privatize them and let them market themselves. Have an Irish version of The Proms and market the recordings.

how are they too much of a shoulder of burden for RTE? in the great scheme of things i'd imagine they don't cost that much.
why should we privatize them and let them market themselves given rte can market them and they would likely still receive public funding?
there is nothing stopping rte having an Irish version of The Proms and marketing the recordings if there is demand as it is, they don't need to be privatized for that to happen.

NIMAN wrote: »

Set a wage cap of €100,000.
Its utter madness that in a tiny market like Ireland, people can be paid half a million plus to chat on the radio for a couple of hours a day.

If you aren't happy with that, go sell your talent abroad.

doesn't work like that anywhere in terms of broadcasting. those who bring in the money and the audience will get a wage that reflects that, which will depend on the size of audience and revenue.
the people being paid half a million to chat for a couple of hours a day are bringing in a high audience and i suspect quite high revenue, hence they get a wage that reflects that. that's not going to change because like any broadcaster, good talent has to be paid for. now there are personally some broadcasters on rte that i don't think are good at all, just like everyone else has their views on specific broadcasters. but regardless of my opinion they clearly are doing a good job in terms of audience and revenue for their employer.

For Forks Sake

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

So are RTE, they've moved on to the rap/hiphop equivalent of it. I don't like much of what RTE do but the concert orchestra really are fantastic.

Which is in itself a copy of BBCs Electric Proms. There isn't an original idea inside the boundaries of Montrose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-81nrNiJVL0

10000maniacs

end of the road wrote: »

how are they too much of a shoulder of burden for RTE? in the great scheme of things i'd imagine they don't cost that much.
why should we privatize them and let them market themselves given rte can market them and they would likely still receive public funding?
there is nothing stopping rte having an Irish version of The Proms and marketing the recordings if there is demand as it is, they don't need to be privatized for that to happen.



doesn't work like that anywhere in terms of broadcasting. those who bring in the money and the audience will get a wage that reflects that, which will depend on the size of audience and revenue.
the people being paid half a million to chat for a couple of hours a day are bringing in a high audience and i suspect quite high revenue, hence they get a wage that reflects that. that's not going to change because like any broadcaster, good talent has to be paid for. now there are personally some broadcasters on rte that i don't think are good at all, just like everyone else has their views on specific broadcasters. but regardless of my opinion they clearly are doing a good job in terms of audience and revenue for their employer.

Musicians like that don't get out of bed for less than €100,000 a year and there are a lot of them on the payroll. Good orchestras pay for themselves and if the RTESO is losing money they should be forced to turn that around.

end of the road

10000maniacs wrote: »

Musicians like that don't get out of bed for less than €100,000 a year and there are a lot of them on the payroll. Good orchestras pay for themselves and if the RTESO is losing money they should be forced to turn that around.

good orchestras pay for themselves how? perhapse those orchestras that do pay for themselves are involved in less of a minority part of the musical art then the rte ones? given the rte orchestra is technically a public service then how should they be forced to turn any losses around given it's likely what they offer is an ultra-minority but likely culturally signifficant part of the musical art?
i still want to know how the rte orchestras are to much of a burdin on rte and why privatizing them would make any difference to that given rte would likely still commission them and pay for that via the licence fee? i'm assuming that they are dedicated to rte work so wouldn't have the time to do other activities?

10000maniacs

end of the road wrote: »

good orchestras pay for themselves how? perhapse those orchestras that do pay for themselves are involved in less of a minority part of the musical art then the rte ones? given the rte orchestra is technically a public service then how should they be forced to turn any losses around given it's likely what they offer is an ultra-minority but likely culturally signifficant part of the musical art?
i still want to know how the rte orchestras are to much of a burdin on rte and why privatizing them would make any difference to that given rte would likely still commission them and pay for that via the licence fee? i'm assuming that they are dedicated to rte work so wouldn't have the time to do other activities?

You mean RTE would commision €13 million in orchestral services per year if it didn't have its own orchestra? That's ridiculous.