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RTÉ whistleblower makes explosive 'insider' claims about election coverage

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  • #62
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    I'm sorry but I'm not good with names. If SF put forward the lady who didn't get her daughters vaccinated I don't think they have a hope in hell outside of the regular SF voters. Someone who believes a Facebook group over science will be torn apart by the media imo
    Liadh Ní Riada was the likely contender until she was found to be someone who wouldn't have a scientifically proven anti-cancer vaccine given to her daughter.
    However the rumours currently are that Caoimhin O'Caolain might be the preferred candidate and a much safer bet for SF.


  • #63
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    jmcc wrote: »
    Higgins is also facing an SF candidate. SF has done a good job in obliterating Labour and may consolidate the Left vote.

    Regards...jmcc

    But are Sinn Féin a left wing party? They may wear left wing clothes to suit but it's clear enough they have other fish to fry.


  • #64
    Red_Wake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭Red_Wake


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    jmcc wrote: »
    Higgins is also facing an SF candidate. SF has done a good job in obliterating Labour and may consolidate the Left vote.

    Regards...jmcc

    But are Sinn Féin a left wing party? They may wear left wing clothes to suit but it's clear enough they have other fish to fry.
    Doesn't pretty much every party of the left accuse the other leftist parties of being wolves in sheeps' clothing?


  • #65
    Rhineshark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Rhineshark


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    But are Sinn Féin a left wing party? They may wear left wing clothes to suit but it's clear enough they have other fish to fry.

    Yes they are. They may have specific things they focus on and their own flavour of national aims etc, but they are roughly left-wing.

    Ireland tends to be reasonably centrist and appears to distrust overly left/right partisanship, albeit this is likely merely due to our main party split having its origins in pro/anti-Treaty way back when rather than a more typical left right ideological split. Centre-right by our main political parties but said parties do seem to be discovering a more liberal social trend in the Irish population than they expect.


  • #66
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    Rhineshark wrote: »
    Yes they are. They may have specific things they focus on and their own flavour of national aims etc, but they are roughly left-wing.

    Ireland tends to be reasonably centrist and appears to distrust overly left/right partisanship, albeit this is likely merely due to our main party split having its origins in pro/anti-Treaty way back when rather than a more typical left right ideological split. Centre-right by our main political parties but said parties do seem to be discovering a more liberal social trend in the Irish population than they expect.

    Agreed but not convinced re SF. To my eyes, they are left wing in the same way as say FF - a flexible sort of left wing but ready to be all things to all people at the end of the day as long as electoral success follows.


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  • #67
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    RTE, like any media outlet, is biased to varying degrees. Generally it's geared towards generating interest, entertainment. Gallagher was an easy target. I recall music programs talking up certain bands and ignoring others. It's how these organisations sell ad space.


  • #68
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,298 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    RTE, like any media outlet, is biased to varying degrees. Generally it's geared towards generating interest, entertainment. Gallagher was an easy target. I recall music programs talking up certain bands and ignoring others. It's how these organisations sell ad space.




    The main difference is the RTE is the state broadcaster & it's supposed to be impartial


  • #69
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    RTE, like any media outlet, is biased to varying degrees. Generally it's geared towards generating interest, entertainment. Gallagher was an easy target. I recall music programs talking up certain bands and ignoring others. It's how these organisations sell ad space.


    RTE is the state broadcaster and is required by law to be impartial.

    It fails time and again in relation to this. It is not a new allegation, there have been many examples of people believing that RTE was biased.

    Some believe it was run by Sinn Fein

    https://www.irishecho.com/2011/02/lord-threatens-to-identify-rtes-extreme-republicans/


    Some believe it was against Sinn Fein

    http://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-pearse-doherty-media-2843876-Jun2016/

    Some believe the Workers Party ran it in the 1970s

    https://ansionnachfionn.com/2011/08/01/sean-garland-the-workers-party-and-the-fools-republic/

    I have no doubt that at varying times in its history RTE has had administrators, managers, producers and presenters in its ranks who have had obvious bias for or against certain political goals, political parties or politicians. The silence on the corruption of CJH is one clear example.

    Whether you believe it all balances out, or whether you believe it is wrong no matter what, it is an ostrich head in the sand attitude to suggest it is like any media outlet and just to sell ad space.


  • #70
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,298 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    blanch152 wrote:
    It fails time and again in relation to this. It is not a new allegation, there have been many examples of people believing that RTE was biased.

    I agree with this. I have no doubt that they have been biased but not nearly as often as people like to think. I remember the meter protesters. RTE covered it daily but because they weren't recording in every estate around the country, protesters felt that they were being censord. They cried bias when in reality we can only watch so much of people shouting peaceful protest


  • #71
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    I agree with this. I have no doubt that they have been biased but not nearly as often as people like to think. I remember the meter protesters. RTE covered it daily but because they weren't recording in every estate around the country, protesters felt that they were being censord. They cried bias when in reality we can only watch so much of people shouting peaceful protest


    If anything, the silent majority paying their water charges were ignored in that media coverage as RTE played to the gallery of populist tv.


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  • #72
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    blanch152 wrote: »
    If anything, the silent majority paying their water charges were ignored in that media coverage as RTE played to the gallery of populist tv.

    By silent majority, you mean the 14% less who paid all or some of their bills which.was up by 11% on the last quarter which was down by 34 % on the previous quarter of people who had paid all of, or some of their charges.
    Gymnastic mental arithmetic for the hard of understanding.


  • #73
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    The main difference is the RTE is the state broadcaster & it's supposed to be impartial

    Agreed, but it's also an entertainment organisation that feeds on ratings. Add to that each producer having their own style.
    All media will tell you they deliver the facts and nothing else. The industry is based on journalistic integrity, allegedly.


  • #74
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    By silent majority, you mean the 14% less who paid all or some of their bills which.was up by 11% on the last quarter which was down by 34 % on the previous quarter of people who had paid all of, or some of their charges.
    Gymnastic mental arithmetic for the hard of understanding.

    The silent majority support and applaud the work of RTE, if we're going by people paying their license fees. Personally I'd stop paying it tomorrow if I wasn't legally obliged to do so.


  • #75
    Trasna1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Trasna1


    Hurrache wrote: »
    You keep bringing up the health issue across different threads. I doubt having a hobbily leg would have made a difference to how most people voted.

    No but the fake tweet definitely did.

    I've always had my suspicions about that take-down.


  • #76
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Sean Gallagher, David Norris and Martin McGuinness did not get fair coverage during the campaign in comparison to the ultimate winner, Michael D Higgins.

    If RTE got the win for Michael D ahead of the others, they great. Finally RTE have done something worthwhile.


  • #77
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Trasna1 wrote: »
    No but the fake tweet definitely did.

    I've always had my suspicions about that take-down.

    The source was fake, not the content.


  • #78
    Trasna1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Trasna1


    Cienciano wrote: »
    If RTE got the win for Michael D ahead of the others, they great. Finally RTE have done something worthwhile.

    It's not for RTE to decide who gets elected.

    The last presidential election was the dirtiest yet - with all of the contenders (apart from one) subject to smears:
    Norris and the letter on official paper
    Davis, the quango queen
    Dana and the abuse allegations
    Mitchell - can't remember what they did to him
    McGuinness - well there was any amount of stuff to their at him, VB had a good go.

    And thus, the establishments choice was elected.


  • #79
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,414 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Matt Barrett wrote:
    The source was fake, not the content.


    The content was genuine innuendo alright.


  • #80
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,468 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Trasna1 wrote: »
    It's not for RTE to decide who gets elected.

    The last presidential election was the dirtiest yet - with all of the contenders (apart from one) subject to smears:
    Norris and the letter on official paper
    Davis, the quango queen
    Dana and the abuse allegations
    Mitchell - can't remember what they did to him
    McGuinness - well there was any amount of stuff to their at him, VB had a good go.

    And thus, the establishments choice was elected.

    I think they just put him in front of a camera uninterrupted for 20 minutes.
    Could never understand how the man got elected to any office prior to that, given how bland and uninspiring he comes across as


  • #81
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    The content was genuine innuendo alright.

    Are you accusing Gallagher of lying?
    It prompted Mr Gallagher to admit he had received 'an envelope' for Fianna Fáil – an admission that triggered the most dramatic turnaround in presidential history.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055197/Irish-presidential-election-2011-Tweet-changed-course-just-bit-fun.html

    Kinda puts all the whinging about Michael D. running after saying he'd only do the one term in the ha'penny place.


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  • #82
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    The content was genuine innuendo alright.

    Gallagher was driving around Ireland picking up envelopes with cheques in them on behalf of Fianna Fail and arranging photo ops with that inbred alcoholic Brian Cowen. But he wasn't the Fianna Fail candidate Oh no.

    He is a liar. He looks like a penis. Since Fianna Fail have been out of power he hasn't been setting the world of commerce alight.

    He accepted a €130,000 settlement from RTE. Which should be chicken feed if he isn't a bull****ter.

    The danger was that the Fianna Fail traitors who put party before country (and self before party) might have voted for him. I am talking about the sort of scum who vote for Ber Cowen.

    Thank God for Michael D. Can you imagine that slow witted Amadan Gallagher as President? Yellow teeth. Slaphead. Thick red neck. Brown envelopes. He makes me want to puke.

    Trousering his 'bitta compo'. Why not put your hand in the license payers pocket if you are a grant hoovering slapheaded MANE CAVAN BASTARD.


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