how to turn upstairs WAP off?

Lucuma

Hi all, I need to turn off the Wireless Access Point which distributes Wifi through the first floor (because of teenagers on devices while meant to be asleep!) I can't figure out how to do it so was wondering if one of you could help me?

I attach a pic of teh WAP on the ceiling upstairs, and a picture of the box to show make and model. Googling hasn't helped me, I don't understand the technical jargon in the forums

From a very basic level (explain it as you would to a 5 year old!) is it possible for me to just switch this off? On/Off button?

Thanks!

TomOnBoard

Google is your friend:

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wireless/User-based-time-control-of-wifi-access/td-p/1490803

If you dont understand this, just put your router on a timer which will deny internet to the whole house. However, be aware that no matter what you do, your kids will out-wit every effort just because they (or their friends) understand IT way better than you will ever do.

tsue921i8wljb3

There is no on/off switch so you have two options:

1) Twist the access point anti-clockwise remove it from the bracket and unplug the Ethernet cable.

2) Find where the POE adapter (page 2 in the pdf) is located and unplug it.

https://dl.ubnt.com/guides/UniFi/UniFi_AP_QSG.pdf

Peatys

Not a direct answer, but we use Google family accounts. I set a number of hours per day and if they want to go over that, they have to ask me for a one time code.

Dozyart

why not just take devices from them at a specific time each night?

TomOnBoard

Dozyart wrote: »

why not just take devices from them at a specific time each night?

It's a fair point actually. You've got to have rules! However, the devices are music players as well as comms/ social media devices so its all a bit difficult to manage. I'd be all for age related rules as to what is acceptable usage, without having to resort to either technology solutions or subterfuge.

DopeTech

Will they not just revert to using the data on their phones?

listermint

Peatys wrote: »

Not a direct answer, but we use Google family accounts. I set a number of hours per day and if they want to go over that, they have to ask me for a one time code.

Simple method around that is for them to setup their own Gmail. Probably already have. Never assume your better at the kids than you in regards technology

beauf

Sir Dosser wrote: »

Will they not just revert to using the data on their phones?

Most teenagers I know don't pay for data. They use free WiFi and use WhatsApp or similar.

listermint

beauf wrote: »

Most teenagers I know don't pay for data. They use free WiFi and use WhatsApp or similar.

Very true. But how cheap data is now they can just get a top up if they needed to.

beauf

I think they are opposed to the idea of paying for it. Either scab off the parent or get it free.

Ikydz WiFi router works ok. But mobile data will always get around that.

The only other thing is to have a leave the phone downstairs at night rule.

demanufactured

How did you set It up?

beauf

Which the ikydz?

You create profiles for each mobile so the internet turns off and on for each device to a timetable..

They can still cache things locally though. Just can't get new content until the WiFi comes back on the next day.

Johnboy1951

Don't most routers have controls suited to time-based use dependent on MAC address or other device specific recognition?

beauf

Yes but they are not as streamlined to use.

Most people are not techies.

endacl

You don’t need to be a techie to pull out a plug.

Johnboy1951

beauf wrote: »

Yes but they are not as streamlined to use.

Most people are not techies.

You do not need to be a 'techie' to tick a few boxes and apply the settings.

It is much more simple than downloading an app and ensuring that the app is not sending out unnecessary information that might compromise privacy or security of the device on which it is installed.

beauf

App? Lost me.

mirrorwall14

Honestly (teacher and parent speaking). WiFi off entirely at night and all devices downstairs to charge. No other way to stop it. And by and large I would be hugely against school going students having any kind of tv or device (Xbox etc) in their bedroom. Kids are falling asleep in school because they get back up to play

beauf

This only works if you have a child who sticks the rules.
If you have a child thats always testing/breaking the rules, then mobile devices, internet and gaming, make those problems worse.
You also have the problem that you don't need the wifi for lots of stuff and neighbours may have open and unfiltered wifi.
Microsoft Family used to work, until they broke it. useless now.
There's also Google Family Link. Which only works under 13. Assuming you use real DOB.

Then you've the other problem what the school and clubs and friends all use the internet to communicate. They all have different rules.

Johnboy1951

beauf wrote: »

Which the ikydz?

You create profiles for each mobile so the internet turns off and on for each device to a timetable..

They can still cache things locally though. Just can't get new content until the WiFi comes back on the next day.

beauf wrote: »

App? Lost me.

Really?

https://www.ikydz.com/

Pay €100 and get the app to manage things.


All that is easier than clicking a few boxes in the router?

That ikydz is a waste of money when the required function is already available in the router.

beauf

The iKydz device is a hardware router. Its physical box. The app is just remote access to the router. Same on a regular router if you allow wireless config. You don't have to use the app.

It just has a layer of parental features that go beyond the firmware/software of a regular router.

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

That ikydz is a waste of money when the required function is already available in the router.

I would say all the features aren't in a regular router. Also its a matter of ease of use and convenience. None of the routers I've had over the years anything like it. Not as easy anyway.

You could get an router with an open firmeware and customise how you like, filter youTube, white lists of apps and websites etc. If you find that easier. Most won't though.

Johnboy1951

beauf wrote: »

The iKydz device is a hardware router. Its physical box. The app is just remote access to the router. Same on a regular router if you allow wireless config. You don't have to use the app.

It just has a layer of parental features that go beyond the firmware/software of a regular router.



I would say all the features aren't in a regular router. Also its a matter of ease of use and convenience. None of the routers I've had over the years anything like it. Not as easy anyway.

You could get an router with an open firmeware and customise how you like, filter youTube, white lists of apps and websites etc. If you find that easier. Most won't though.

I think, in your enthusiam for this ikydz device, you lost sight of what the OP asked about ...... simply turning off one device during specified hours.
That can be simply achieved in most routers.

TomOnBoard

beauf wrote: »

This only works if you have a child who sticks the rules.

If your child doesn't stick with the rules, then you need to have a look at how s/he is being parented as well as all the other stuff associated with raising children into becoming teenagers. If you cant have a rukle about putting all phones (switched off) into a charging station at night, then you have little or no hope when they get a bit older and you want to have rules around waaay more important stuff.

beauf wrote: »

If you have a child thats always testing/breaking the rules, then mobile devices, internet and gaming, make those problems worse.

It is the role of a child and a critical part of their development to constantly test boundaries. Its the role of the parents to (JOINTLY!!) set those boundaries, and have a system in place to have consequences for serious infractions, with gentle but firm verbals for minor ones.

beauf wrote: »

You also have the problem that you don't need the wifi for lots of stuff and neighbours may have open and unfiltered wifi.

If they dont have the devices in their bedrooms, then the issue doesn't arise.

beauf wrote: »

Then you've the other problem what the school and clubs and friends all use the internet to communicate. They all have different rules.

And that's a huge issue! Schools and parents need to agree an approach and, again, stick to it! Look what the French are doing about banning them in schools. A great social experiment IMHO, and I truly wish them well.

You've made very pertinent points Beauf; don't think I'm having a pop at you . You are reflecting the views of thousands of parents across the country I have no doubt. Its a huge problem for parents, but it needs firm but fair management by parents. I do'nt have all the answers for sure. Thankfully, my gang just missed the mobile/tablet in the bedroom. However, we had our battles with internet- thankfully, a 48k modem, ending with ISDN sorted out a lot of those issues. And of course, Whatsapp, Viber and Facebook were only a glint in their makers' eye....

beauf

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I think, in your enthusiam for this ikydz device, you lost sight of what the OP asked about ...... simply turning off one device during specified hours.
That can be simply achieved in most routers.

That was answered in the first two replies and about the OP specific router.
We've moved on since that..no? Theres more to parental control than on/off.

The iKydz is far from my favourite device. I actually think its a good idea that needs a lot of polishing.

TomOnBoard

A bit extreme I'd say, but she's extreme anyway! Still, it's one approach:

https://www.independent.ie/life/family/parenting/kirstie-allsopp-my-children-broke-the-rules-so-i-smashed-their-tablets-37300557.html

beauf

She can kinda afford to replace them though.

beauf

TomOnBoard wrote: »

If your child doesn't stick with the rules, then you need to have a look at how s/he is being parented as well as all the other stuff associated with raising children into becoming teenagers. ....but it needs firm but fair management by parents........

My point really was only not all kids are the same, some don't respond to the same parenting techniques. I don't assume what works for one will work for them all.

The mobile device and internet is a new problem. Some kids aren't able to deal with it. Also the companies are trying to make them more addictive. Rather than working with parents, they are actively working against them.

The high horse brigade

For Ubiquiti you can very easily create a guest network in which you can schedule and limit the time schedule you allow access. Then connect the kids devices to this network. I'm well up on Ubiquiti, come back to me if you're having trouble

Lucuma

John Modern Puff wrote: »

There is no on/off switch so you have two options:

1) Twist the access point anti-clockwise remove it from the bracket and unplug the Ethernet cable.

2) Find where the POE adapter (page 2 in the pdf) is located and unplug it.

https://dl.ubnt.com/guides/UniFi/UniFi_AP_QSG.pdf

Cheers thanks a mil. managed to twist it off and unplug the ethernet there

Lucuma

Sir Dosser wrote: »

Will they not just revert to using the data on their phones?

they don't have data on their phones. They rely on Wifi

beauf

One of mine was using next doors WiFi for a couple of weeks till I noticed.

BailMeOut

You have Unifi (as do I) and what I do it:

I have 4 SSID's / Wireless networks setup as below

"Parents"
"Kids"
"Guests"
"AV"

The kids do not know any password other than Kids and it works from 7am to 9pm Sunday to Thursday and 7am to midnight on Friday and Saturday. The Kids network is also rate limited to 4Mbit down and 256Kbit up (I have DSL internet).

My wife and are the only people who know password for "Parents", "Guests" and "AV" with AV being used on DVD, Smart TV, etc... and "Parents" network is only network that is not rate limited.

All very easily setup using Unifi console.

beauf

How much is that Unifi

BailMeOut

beauf wrote: »

How much is that Unifi

chip as chips. Anywhere from €80 to €150 depending on model. I like the AC Pro but you can use the cheaper version at home.

You can get on amazon.co.uk

beauf

Can you get 4 SSID with the cheaper one. Or do you need multiple units

BailMeOut

beauf wrote: »

Can you get 4 SSID with the cheaper one. Or do you need multiple units

yes - all support up to 4 SSIDs and the model difference will just have to do with range and other enterprise options.

To do correctly you should also get their "cloud key" which is a mini server that holds and manages the config however you can also manage from your laptop/desktop at home by downloading their console app. If you do this just backup the config from time to time and save somewhere safe so you could manage from another computer if necessary.


Ubiquiti Networks UAP-AC-LITE WLAN Access Point

UBIQUITI Networks UniFi Cloud Key Controller

I manage about 100 of these things are they are set and forget devices as just so reliable.

beauf

Sounds great.

The high horse brigade

You do not need the cloud key, you can run the controller software on any pc and it's only needed to configure it and make changes. It does not need to be running all the time. The cloud key is only useful for hotels etc where they run a captive portal and to keep logs.

BailMeOut

The high horse brigade wrote: »

You do not need the cloud key, you can run the controller software on any pc and it's only needed to configure it and make changes. It does not need to be running all the time. The cloud key is only useful for hotels etc where they run a captive portal and to keep logs.

you do not need the cloud key however it does give you nice stats and logs which you will not see if console is usually closed.

As I noted if you run from your PC just make sure you run the backup from the console from time to time and save somewhere safe as if your desktop or laptop gets replaced you will lose all your settings and have to build your wifi network from scratch. This little backup allows you to get up and running again in seconds from a new console install.

riclad

If they are under 18 .maybe ask em to hand in laptops ,phones before they go to bed.
Whatsapp needs data on the phone to work.
https://www.lifewire.com/when-and-how-to-turn-off-wifi-818302
maybe switch off wifi on the router.
Use a pc or laptop attached by ethernet cables after 9pm to browse the web.
Do not have any device upstairs connected by an ethernet cable.
Or use separate wifi passwords for kid,s ,parents etc ,
kids wifi switches off from 9pm to 8am.

BailMeOut

we have a no electronic device upstairs rule that applies to everyone including me and my wife. We cannot even use mobile phones as alarm clocks and rule works well.

smuggler.ie

BailMeOut wrote: »

we have a no electronic device upstairs rule that applies to everyone including me and my wife. We cannot even use mobile phones as alarm clocks and rule works well.

Wow!
Of course this is your preference, but in event off emergency in midnight ( God bless) you have other means of "emergency call", I hope.

BailMeOut

smuggler.ie wrote: »

Wow!
Of course this is your preference, but in event off emergency in midnight ( God bless) you have other means of "emergency call", I hope.

We can just walk downstairs to make a call!

There is a landline next to bed.

smuggler.ie

In case off emergency, people, most of the time, run.
And it's all cool, if you can "walk" through blazing fire to make call 112, or ....: "excuse me Mr. burglar, just walked downstairs to grab my phone... you know... to call garda, carry on..."



But you have landline so all good.

And this already off topic so I'm out.

TomOnBoard

BailMeOut wrote: »

we have a no electronic device upstairs rule that applies to everyone including me and my wife. We cannot even use mobile phones as alarm clocks and rule works well.

I get the sense that the O.P. was looking for a technology solution to resolving the issue, rather than getting into the more important/substantive matter of rules and boundaries within a family.

BailMeOut

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I get the sense that the O.P. was looking for a technology solution to resolving the issue, rather than getting into the more important/substantive matter of rules and boundaries within a family.

I gave the OP a full technical solution using the equipment he/she already has. See above posts for details.

smuggler.ie

BailMeOut wrote: »

I gave the OP a full technical solution using the equipment he/she already has. See above posts for details.

After that it is for OP to make call

riclad

You could simply switch off the router before you go to bed ,
in case of emergency you might need to use a phone.
say the power goes off ,and theres a fire downstairs it might be hard to get to a phone or to find it .Having no phones upstairs rule sounds a bit extreme.

Lucuma

BailMeOut wrote: »

we have a no electronic device upstairs rule that applies to everyone including me and my wife. We cannot even use mobile phones as alarm clocks and rule works well.

Same. Been doing that for years. We have a clock radio, same as my parents had! Only thing that annoys me is on my clock radio it's not possible to have a different alarm setting for weekends like it is on your phone.

Lucuma

Perhaps one of you Ubiquiti gurus could help me with this. In my attempts to turn the FF WAP off, I tried to log into my system. It's looking for a username and password (see attached). The system was set up by a company that I paid to do the TV/Audio/Internet distribution when we were building the house. They have since gone bust and are not answering calls/emails.

I assume I can't implement any of the solutions proposed in this thread e.g. setting different times and users etc unless I can log in here?

Any ideas what the user name and password might be?