Bad lorry drivers on our roads who don't care!

horseofstone

I've noticed in recent times that at roundabouts where I would have the right of way ,lorrys,artics,large trucks on a number of occasions have driven across my path coming from my left hand side causing me to stop.These lorry driver's and I'm talking in some cases 40 foot artic's are behaving in an extremely dangerous and arrogant manner by doing this.its wreckless driving.basically some lorry drivers are not prepared to stop and wait at a roundabout but instead barge on through forcing cars to stop abruptly.has anyone else noticed this phenomenon in recent times ?

neris

If you slow up approaching the roundabout or hesitate they are going to go for it. Trucks don't pull off to quickly and the driver can be waiting a while so takes advantage of your hesitation. It's hard enough driving a truck without having to wait for a decent gap in traffic to get your 40 ton rig off from a standing start

gctest50

You wouldn't want to get in the way of one though :

Cork Trucker

It wasn't me

Cork Trucker

neris wrote: »

If you slow up approaching the roundabout or hesitate they are going to go for it. Trucks don't pull off to quickly and the driver can be waiting a while so takes advantage of your hesitation. It's hard enough driving a truck without having to wait for a decent gap in traffic to get your 40 ton rig off from a standing start

Sums it up in one essentially.

If I've a full load, by the time I begin to pull off at least 1 car can get through, maybe a second.

All some drivers ever think is "I need to get out in front of that truck"

The lack of patience is disgusting.

bazz26

horseofstone wrote: »

I've noticed in recent times that at roundabouts where I would have the right of way ,lorrys,artics,large trucks on a number of occasions have driven across my path coming from my left hand side causing me to stop.These lorry driver's and I'm talking in some cases 40 foot artic's are behaving in an extremely dangerous and arrogant manner by doing this.its wreckless driving.basically some lorry drivers are not prepared to stop and wait at a roundabout but instead barge on through forcing cars to stop abruptly.has anyone else noticed this phenomenon in recent times ?

To be a little fair, artics/trucks/buses are big and heavy vehicles. I tend to give them plenty of space and keep well back as they need more maneuvering space to negotiate the likes of a roundabout. They don't always have the luxury of sticking within a lane either and because they are big heavy yokes it's not so easy for them to just stop once they get going. I find a bit of patience is the best approach and in most cases they will slow down or move in to let you pass them once it's safe for them to do so.

Ginger83

horseofstone wrote: »

I've noticed in recent times that at roundabouts where I would have the right of way ,lorrys,artics,large trucks on a number of occasions have driven across my path coming from my left hand side causing me to stop.These lorry driver's and I'm talking in some cases 40 foot artic's are behaving in an extremely dangerous and arrogant manner by doing this.its wreckless driving.basically some lorry drivers are not prepared to stop and wait at a roundabout but instead barge on through forcing cars to stop abruptly.has anyone else noticed this phenomenon in recent times ?

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Rubberchikken

I know from my brothers experience as a truck driver its not an eady job driving these vehicles so im very patient with these trucks and willing to give them space and a chance to get going/out whenever its possible.

Yeah there are some truly awful truck drivers out there but the majority are fine imo.

horseofstone

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Sums it up in one essentially.

If I've a full load, by the time I begin to pull off at least 1 car can get through, maybe a second.

All some drivers ever think is "I need to get out in front of that truck"

The lack of patience is disgusting.

I said when I have the right of way,I said nothing about needing to get out in front of that truck.

horseofstone

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I know from my brothers experience as a truck driver its not an eady job driving these vehicles so im very patient with these trucks and willing to give them space and a chance to get going/out whenever its possible.

Yeah there are some truly awful truck drivers out there but the majority are fine imo.

I'm taking about trucks cutting across me on a roundabout,read the original post.

neris

horseofstone wrote: »

I'm taking about trucks cutting across me on a roundabout,read the original post.

If a truck is in front of u on roundabout stay behind them. They're not cutting you up. They are much longer then you and need a bigger turning area and overt 40 foot the driver v of an artic will loose seeing you in his mirrors. If you come up to a roundabout behind a truck taking up the 2 lanes stay behind the truck is taking up all that space for a reason.

Glass fused light

horseofstone wrote: »

I'm taking about trucks cutting across me on a roundabout,read the original post.

Are you talking about them coming out from an other junction ie your entering at 6 o'clock and they are coming at 9 o'clock?

davemc180

I drive an artic. You have to bare in mind we carry loads, sometimes sensitive loads ie can't slam on the hammers if a car sees a gap an flies out. We ain't driving mopeds. Take your time and give space. There will only be one outcome if your aggressive about it and that will be an accident. What's the rush.

slavetothegrind

always give trucks space, 99% of drivers are pro's rarely meet lunatics. I do over 50k a year on our roads countrywide. ( in a small van)

Only thing that does annoy me is artics overtaking artics on the motorway.

Often multiple vehicle overtakes, lasting kilometers.

It's a small thing in the overall picture of life and by and large truckers are the least of my worries when it comes to road users.

davemc180

slavetothegrind wrote: »

always give trucks space, 99% of drivers are pro's rarely meet lunatics. I do over 50k a year on our roads countrywide. ( in a small van)

Only thing that does annoy me is artics overtaking artics on the motorway.

Often multiple vehicle overtakes, lasting kilometers.

It's a small thing in the overall picture of life and by and large truckers are the least of my worries when it comes to road users.

Saying that on the overtaking. It can upset some but time is money. Taco cards come into play an a lot of people not in the trade don't take this into account. But hills especially are a factor here. I drive a top power volvo 2015 fh16 truck with over 700hp. A slower truck fully loaded on a long incline which is most of Ireland's motorways, can be overtook, and will be when the roads are quite. It does no one any favours when cars, vans etc try to rush the process. Like the OP all I'll say is be patient . We all share the roads. Bare in mind us "dangourous " truck drivers are highly more trained then the average driver . 99% of us know what we are doing so please just give space. 30 seconds won't kill you. Or it might. Thanks.

davemc180

horseofstone wrote: »

I've noticed in recent times that at roundabouts where I would have the right of way ,lorrys,artics,large trucks on a number of occasions have driven across my path coming from my left hand side causing me to stop.These lorry driver's and I'm talking in some cases 40 foot artic's are behaving in an extremely dangerous and arrogant manner by doing this.its wreckless driving.basically some lorry drivers are not prepared to stop and wait at a roundabout but instead barge on through forcing cars to stop abruptly.has anyone else noticed this phenomenon in recent times ?

And just let me say this to you. Nearly every accident with a car/truck is majority of the time the cars fault. News reports generally say, seriously injured or dead, truck driver treated on scene non injured. Don't have a chip on your shoulder an give space. For the sake of everyone on the road.

Emmersonn

neris wrote: »

If you slow up approaching the roundabout or hesitate they are going to go for it. Trucks don't pull off to quickly and the driver can be waiting a while so takes advantage of your hesitation. It's hard enough driving a truck without having to wait for a decent gap in traffic to get your 40 ton rig off from a standing start

That makes it ok so to kill a family because the lorry driver is in a hurry and does not want to wait for a safe opening. Nice thinking.

Emmersonn

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Sums it up in one essentially

The lack of patience is disgusting.

You mean the truck drivers lack of patience. How right you are. It is a case of "Mine is bigger than your's"

vandriver

As a high mileage driver,I genuinely don't recognise your supposed stereotype of aggressive truck drivers.They are the least of the problems that you encounter day to day.
Old men who wear hats in cars,though.....

Lu Tze

I find the same, the truckers seem to be the more courteous drivers on the road, giving you plenty of space, allowing you in front of them at a merges etc.

It's why I'll always leave a big gap if I see a truck merging in busy traffic, they can't accelerate from a practical standstill to merge on to a chock a block M50 when a gap suddenly appears.

One slowly passed me one day when parked on the M50, "four hundred horses, but only one stallion" painted on the back of cab, which gave me a brief chuckle.

Wildly Boaring

There's plenty to give out about on the roads but trucks are way down the list.

The OP still makes no sense to me.

Are you coming on at say 6 and they at 9?

If so, and they are getting in your way, were they not both roundabout first and just have a long vehicle which cannot disappear?

Or is it not staying in lane?

In both cases a bit of patience on your behalf will sort this issue right out

_Brian

I think it’s like folk driving any vehicle class, some are excellent courteous drivers and some are ignorant crazies with no aparrant grasp of the rules of the road.
Same for tractors, vans, cars, jeeps, motorbikes, cyclists and of course our friends the pedestrians

horseofstone

Glass fused light wrote: »

Are you talking about them coming out from an other junction ie your entering at 6 o'clock and they are coming at 9 o'clock?

Exactly,I'm coming from 6 o clock and the lorry is coming from 9 o clock and they come charging through even though I have right of way

horseofstone

davemc180 wrote: »

I drive an artic. You have to bare in mind we carry loads, sometimes sensitive loads ie can't slam on the hammers if a car sees a gap an flies out. We ain't driving mopeds. Take your time and give space. There will only be one outcome if your aggressive about it and that will be an accident. What's the rush.

I'm talking about me arriving at a roundabout and having right of way (6 o clock) and and a truck at a different junction on the same roundabout(9o clock) charging across in front of me causing me to brake to avoid a collision.

horseofstone

These truck drivers I'm talking about are breaking the law and wouldn't behave in such a wreckless manner if they saw a squad car coming

horseofstone

Emmersonn wrote: »

You mean the truck drivers lack of patience. How right you are. It is a case of "Mine is bigger than your's"

You are right ,it seems to be a case of "Mine is bigger than your's"

Whocare

horseofstone wrote: »

These truck drivers I'm talking about are breaking the law and wouldn't behave in such a wreckless manner if they saw a squad car coming

If you are so concerned why didn't you be a garda ?

Whocare

horseofstone wrote: »

These truck drivers I'm talking about are breaking the law and wouldn't behave in such a wreckless manner if they saw a squad car coming

As everyone else here have no problem with truck driver. Did you think it might be your bad driving is the problem?


I like all rest have no problem with truck driver

I agree with the consensus; sorry OP you are very much in the wrong in your thinking.

Always be prepared to give trucks extra space and allow them the opportunity to get on the roundabout. Even if it means you have to slow up a tad.

horseofstone

salonfire wrote: »

I agree with the consensus; sorry OP you are very much in the wrong in your thinking.

Always be prepared to give trucks extra space and allow them the opportunity to get on the roundabout. Even if it means you have to slow up a tad.

Truck drivers are supposed to yield to traffic on their right at roundabouts just like everyone else and not come barging through regardless.

horseofstone

horseofstone wrote: »

Truck drivers are supposed to yield to traffic on their right at roundabouts just like everyone else and not come barging through regardless.

In a perfect world, then yes.

But as we don't live in a perfect world, how would you suggest a fully laden truck get on to a busy roundabout from a stand-still .. keeping in mind, it would need a gap of many car lengths.

Would you be OK waiting minutes and minutes on end behind a truck approaching a roundabout as it waits for the perfect gap to form ?

Whocare

horseofstone wrote: »

Truck drivers are supposed to yield to traffic on their right at roundabouts just like everyone else and not come barging through regardless.

Get a job/life and like the rest of us you will have better things to worry about

Cork Trucker

horseofstone wrote: »

I said when I have the right of way,I said nothing about needing to get out in front of that truck.

I never mentioned you did I, i'm pointing out what I observe in general

Cork Trucker

Emmersonn wrote: »

You mean the truck drivers lack of patience. How right you are. It is a case of "Mine is bigger than your's"

Negative.

99% of the time impatient car drivers.

These are the same drivers who have never sat behind the wheel of an artic or a bus load of people for that matter.

CrankyHaus

I generally try to give trucks the time and space to get it in front of me on a busy road or roundabout as I know how difficult it is for them to get out in gaps between traffic. On rural roads I find them to be very courteous about pulling in on straight stretches to let cars pass, so I try to return the favour.

However around Dublin a significant and increasing number of truck and coach driver's are very cavalier about deliberately pulling out into my path at junctions when I'm moving at speed and basically playing chicken with me to stop for them. This often happens where there's nothing behind me and they could easily wait 5 seconds to pull out safely and legally. I used to work in a large industrial estate full of logistics companies and while most were fine 1 truck company and 1 coach company based there had drivers that would do this persistently. When I beeped one to let him know he'd just moved directly into my path he stopped the truck and got out to shout abuse at me, with his truck across all 3 lanes of a roundabout in an 80 km/h zone. I've also heard enough "the man with the load owns the road" and "respect the truck" nonsense to know that some professional drivers have an attitude that other traffic should give way to them regardless of the law and the rule of the road.

E36Ross

horseofstone wrote: »

Truck drivers are supposed to yield to traffic on their right at roundabouts just like everyone else and not come barging through regardless.

Ever driven a truck or large bus?

If they had to wait for the perfect gap they'd still be sitting there with a queue forming behind them..... Even at that they arnt very quick so the massive gap is soon closed by a car.
I don't mean pull out in front of someone but all it takes is a car or van driver to just ease off and give them a chance to get out. They'll appreciate it.

Ginger83

horseofstone wrote: »

Truck drivers are supposed to yield to traffic on their right at roundabouts just like everyone else and not come barging through regardless.

Yep if you come across 1 being a dick just nudge a wheel.

Ginger83

CrankyHaus wrote: »

I generally try to give trucks the time and space to get it in front of me on a busy road or roundabout as I know how difficult it is for them to get out in gaps between traffic. On rural roads I find them to be very courteous about pulling in on straight stretches to let cars pass, so I try to return the favour.

However around Dublin a significant and increasing number of truck and coach driver's are very cavalier about deliberately pulling out into my path at junctions when I'm moving at speed and basically playing chicken with me to stop for them. This often happens where there's nothing behind me and they could easily wait 5 seconds to pull out safely and legally. I used to work in a large industrial estate full of logistics companies and while most were fine 1 truck company and 1 coach company based there had drivers that would do this persistently. When I beeped one to let him know he'd just moved directly into my path he stopped the truck and got out to shout abuse at me, with his truck across all 3 lanes of a roundabout in an 80 km/h zone. I've also heard enough "the man with the load owns the road" and "respect the truck" nonsense to know that some professional drivers have an attitude that other traffic should give way to them regardless of the law and the rule of the road.

Why didn't you run into him if you had right of way? People will only bully you on the road if you let them.

V8 Interceptor

In my experience Truckers are the most courteous drivers on the road. Don't know what the OP is bitching about.

ofcork

Ive always found them courteous and a lot of other drivers could learn a thing or 2 from them.

AndrewJRenko

davemc180 wrote: »

And just let me say this to you. Nearly every accident with a car/truck is majority of the time the cars fault.

Do you have any reputable source for this claim?


My main problem is the amount of delivery trucks driving round the city with the drivers holding the phone to their ear, or texting at the wheel, or fiddling with/reading their paperwork while driving. You can't be in control of a large vehicle like that while you're reading or phoning.

horseofstone

CrankyHaus wrote: »

I generally try to give trucks the time and space to get it in front of me on a busy road or roundabout as I know how difficult it is for them to get out in gaps between traffic. On rural roads I find them to be very courteous about pulling in on straight stretches to let cars pass, so I try to return the favour.

However around Dublin a significant and increasing number of truck and coach driver's are very cavalier about deliberately pulling out into my path at junctions when I'm moving at speed and basically playing chicken with me to stop for them. This often happens where there's nothing behind me and they could easily wait 5 seconds to pull out safely and legally. I used to work in a large industrial estate full of logistics companies and while most were fine 1 truck company and 1 coach company based there had drivers that would do this persistently. When I beeped one to let him know he'd just moved directly into my path he stopped the truck and got out to shout abuse at me, with his truck across all 3 lanes of a roundabout in an 80 km/h zone. I've also heard enough "the man with the load owns the road" and "respect the truck" nonsense to know that some professional drivers have an attitude that other traffic should give way to them regardless of the law and the rule of the road.

I understand and agree with you entirely.

guil

horseofstone wrote: »

Truck drivers are supposed to yield to traffic on their right at roundabouts just like everyone else and not come barging through regardless.

I'd imagine you're the type of car driver that comes up to a 2 lane roundabout and tries to go through it like Schumacher cutting across both lanes and then cursing and blinding me for pulling out. Another favourite is when I get into the correct lane and the morons that decide to pass me on the left before pulling back in Infront of me and standing on the brakes before the roundabout or junction while I have a full load of rubbish on board.

370 geegees isn't a whole lot for upto 32 ton.

Cork Trucker

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

My main problem is the amount of delivery trucks driving round the city with the drivers holding the phone to their ear, or texting at the wheel, or fiddling with/reading their paperwork while driving. You can't be in control of a large vehicle like that while you're reading or phoning.

This does happen, no denying it, however, some people who have never sat behind the wheel of one of these for a living don't understand the following:

Over worked
Over stressed
Under paid (some know nothing else so can't get other work)
Fiddling with paper work is most likely checking the next destination while already running late.
No hands free devices fitted to even some, but not all of the most modern trucks.
What would help to ease some or all of this is a driver's assistant AKA a helper, but many companies won't pay to employ such a person unless it absolutely necessitates it.

I drive solo myself in an artic with chemicals, while for me it is fine, in my early days of doing multi drop courier work it was hell and the phone would be hopping from the office wondering what is going on and insisting I stay on until all deliveries are completed.


it isn't a cushy job of just driving around in a lorry with an easy life, I ended up in hospital from the stress of one job that was so bad I had to quit it on health grounds. It was a rogue employer though.

Cork Trucker

guil wrote: »

I'd imagine you're the type of car driver that comes up to a 2 lane roundabout and tries to go through it like Schumacher cutting across both lanes and then cursing and blinding me for pulling out. Another favourite is when I get into the correct lane and the morons that decide to pass me on the left before pulling back in Infront of me and standing on the brakes before the roundabout or junction while I have a full load of rubbish on board.

370 geegees isn't a whole lot for upto 32 ton.

Coming to a roundabout with 2 lanes, where the left lane is normally for left or straight on, right is for turning right or doubling back the way you came, but some drivers jump into the right lane to get in front of the truck and go straight on. dash cams are an invaluable resource nowadays, I carry my own personal one in my rig. Then the said people who end up in front of the truck are crawling it, makes no sense.

AndrewJRenko

Cork Trucker wrote: »

This does happen, no denying it, however, some people who have never sat behind the wheel of one of these for a living don't understand the following:

Over worked
Over stressed
Under paid (some know nothing else so can't get other work)
Fiddling with paper work is most likely checking the next destination while already running late.
No hands free devices fitted to even some, but not all of the most modern trucks.
What would help to ease some or all of this is a driver's assistant AKA a helper, but many companies won't pay to employ such a person unless it absolutely necessitates it.

I drive solo myself in an artic with chemicals, while for me it is fine, in my early days of doing multi drop courier work it was hell and the phone would be hopping from the office wondering what is going on and insisting I stay on until all deliveries are completed.


it isn't a cushy job of just driving around in a lorry with an easy life, I ended up in hospital from the stress of one job that was so bad I had to quit it on health grounds. It was a rogue employer though.

At a personal level, I can understand and sympathise - but they just can't be in control of 10 tonnes of metal while texting on the phone or checking the invoice address. They just can't.

Whocare

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

At a personal level, I can understand and sympathise - but they just can't be in control of 10 tonnes of metal while texting on the phone or checking the invoice address. They just can't.

But we do

creedp

Whocare wrote: »

But we do

"Bare in mind us "dangourous " truck drivers are highly more trained then the average driver . 99% of us know what we are doing so please just give space. 30 seconds won't kill you. Or it might. Thanks."

There's always the 1%!!

DaveyDave

I've seen plenty of videos here and in the UK where the truck just sails through a roundabout but haven't experienced it myself. I've had trucks pull out a few times but it's been places like the Fonthill Road roundabout where you need to be quick, but they'll pull out just as I am so not cutting me off or anything and will usually give me a wave, I completely understand though and nothing wrong with it. 5 seconds won't kill me.

I'd rather a trucker do that than the usual crowd who pull out as I'm already on the roundabout...

People get a lot of the rules of driving wrong and haven't got a clue (see the recent merging thread), so of course even less people will know about trucks carrying 25,000kg needing a bit of time or braking distance. A lot of road users are very selfish and are all me me me and don't consider simple things like how cutting in front of me while stopping is going to reduce my braking distance noticeably.

That's not to say some truckers aren't gobshytes, see plenty of them on their phones around where I work.

Pretzill

I would always give a big truck or artic space as it's obvious they need more room to manoeuvre but what gets me annoyed is how trucks behave on the smaller roads - These are big vehicles that nearly always cross the middle line (just because of their size) but in my experience they rarely slow down when they are approaching oncoming traffic - and I wonder how many wing mirrors get flittered.

Marcusm

davemc180 wrote: »

Saying that on the overtaking. It can upset some but time is money. Taco cards come into play an a lot of people not in the trade don't take this into account. But hills especially are a factor here. I drive a top power volvo 2015 fh16 truck with over 700hp. A slower truck fully loaded on a long incline which is most of Ireland's motorways, can be overtook, and will be when the roads are quite. It does no one any favours when cars, vans etc try to rush the process. Like the OP all I'll say is be patient . We all share the roads. Bare in mind us "dangourous " truck drivers are highly more trained then the average driver . 99% of us know what we are doing so please just give space. 30 seconds won't kill you. Or it might. Thanks.

Except that as an HGG you are precluded from entering the outside lane except in cases of an obstruction. A slower moving vehicle is not an obstruction. What you describe as impatience is actually annoyance at a breach of the law.