Why do Charlie Haughey's family still own an island?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Why? Shouldn't CAB have been able to seize it.

Maybe the same way Denis O Brien accrued his wealth in Ireland?

TheValeyard

Lets make it a prison island.

Charles J. haughey Prison Island.

SEPT 23 1989

He did nothing wrong

Baron Kurtz

Love the chatter about how expensive the shirts he wore were. Ooh, the tax-payer picking up the tab for his shirts

Good time for Charlie. Dacent skin he was.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Lets make it a prison island.

Charles J. haughey Prison Island.

Any new prison wing is opened up in Ireland, should be called the Charles J. Haughey wing.

colm_mcm

Baron Kurtz wrote: »

Love the chatter about how expensive the shirts he wore were. Ooh, the tax-payer picking up the tab for his shirts

£700 shirts wouldn’t be the norm though, and it seems he bought at least 20 of them with money that wasn’t his. It wasn’t the taxpayer IIRC that paid for them but donations for Brian Lenihans liver transplant. He embezzled £250k from that fund.

Fann Linn

'He gave us de bus pass'.
Lol.

dxhound2005

They want to make a few bob out of it during the eclipse.

Inishvickillane will be the first land in Europe to experience the Solar eclipse of September 23, 2090.

Your Face

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Why? Shouldn't CAB have been able to seize it.

Maybe the same way Denis O Brien accrued his wealth in Ireland?

What?

SEPT 23 1989

his only crime was that he loved his country too much

Spanish Eyes

His children were gifted the Kinsealy pad yonks ago when it was not worth as much as today. Presumably they they have now inherited Inishvikwhatever now that mammy is gone RIP.

That is what a lot of parents do, but however...... Kinsealy and InishV were procured by nefarious means as we all know now. Still the kids benefited with millions and will never see a poor day again.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/maureen-haughey-stoic-wife-of-charlie-leaves-9m-fortune-36830625.html

I'll leave it there

Franz Von Peppercorn

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

his only crime was that he loved his country too much

He loved his country and the filthy lucre too much. Not necessarily in that order.

Poor Uncle Tom

A man of his day, without him as a gauge it wouldn't be as easy to see how politics have changed for the better as we emerge from the 'tighten your belts' mentality of post war of independence cabinet of ministers.

Zebra3

They should dig him up and hang him.

dxhound2005

Zebra3 wrote: »

They should dig him up and hang him.

Why would his children want to do that?

Spanish Eyes

Pity the CAB wasn't around in his day though!

The children are wealthy on the back of his deeds. I hope they enjoy it all.

OldMrBrennan83

Could do with more Charlies these days.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Patww79 wrote: »

Need more Charlies.

Like a fish needs a bicycle.

Am I right?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

His children were gifted the Kinsealy pad yonks ago when it was not worth as much as today. Presumably they they have now inherited Inishvikwhatever now that mammy is gone RIP.

That is what a lot of parents do, but however...... Kinsealy and InishV were procured by nefarious means as we all know now. Still the kids benefited with millions and will never see a poor day again.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/maureen-haughey-stoic-wife-of-charlie-leaves-9m-fortune-36830625.html

I'll leave it there

£9 million is a nice amount to leave behind. He played the part of a humble man. My Granda couldn't speak highly enough of him, unfortunately.

Belts had to be tightened.

Ipso

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

£9 million is a nice amount to leave behind. He played the part of a humble man. My Granda couldn't speak highly enough of him, unfortunately.

Belts had to be tightened.

Auto erotic asphyxiation!

terryduff12

http://iwdg.ie/downloads/ezine/Irish%20Whale%20&%20Dolphin%20Group%20Newsletter%2009.91.pdf

Spanish Eyes

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

£9 million is a nice amount to leave behind. He played the part of a humble man. My Granda couldn't speak highly enough of him, unfortunately.

Belts had to be tightened.

That amount is what Maureen left. Prior to that the kids were gifted Kinsealy and the lands as a gift way before mam and dad passed on. So you could double or treble that amount now.

Nice one. On the back of dodgy procurement IMV.

RobbingBandit

Same reason Berties parents are in the republican plot in glasnevin as he man puts it I have the power

Clonmel1000

Patww79 wrote: »

Could do with more Charlies these days.

Just curious why?

Are Am Eye

RobbingBandit wrote: »

as he man puts it I have the power

He Man also said
'When we find the Key, Gwildor will set the coordinates for Grayskull. We'll use the element of surprise...'

steddyeddy

Bravo for asking.

His family are living off criminal assets. I always wondered how they're not ashamed let alone allowed to remain in ownership of criminal assets.

No different to a drug dealer's wife living off his ill bought gains.

Badly Drunk Boy

terryduff12 wrote: »

http://iwdg.ie/downloads/ezine/Irish%20Whale%20&%20Dolphin%20Group%20Newsletter%2009.91.pdf

After he declared Irish territorial waters a whale and dolphin sanctuary, there were reactions (included in that link). Most were serious, but I liked this one:

"Did Fungi have something to do with it?"
- Tom MacSweeny, Marine Times.

:pac:

Spanish Eyes

steddyeddy wrote: »

Bravo for asking.

His family are living off criminal assets. I always wondered how they're not ashamed let alone allowed to remain in ownership of criminal assets.

No different to a drug dealer's wife living off his ill bouhht gains.

Have often thought the same myself, and I mentioned it in a previous post re CAB.

But the children don't seem to be too bothered.

gozunda

Charlie the man that famously told the country that we were "living beyond our means" all the while he was living it up in his big house, buying islands and having the state pay for his designer shirts in Paris.

He left a legacy of corruption and backhanders that is still with us to this day. Try getting planning permissions without extra fees and you might as well take the boat.


Just in case anyone forgets ...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/dec/20/ireland

Spanish Eyes

Is one of the children a TD, or in the running for a place on the FF ticket out there in Haughey Land?

You could not make this up if so.

cursai

They're a legacy family. People have rosy eyes when thinking of them .I
Nextng they'll be looking to take the book of Kells from meath.

dxhound2005

The CAB are looking for members of the public to report stuff like this.

Spanish Eyes

Oh and he had a mistress too, upon whom he lavished many gifts also.

Must have been humiliating for his dear wife and children to know this. But they (perhaps apart from the real wife RIP) didn't care.

Shame on those in North Co. Dublin who voted for this neanderthal, and who elected one of his sons subsequently too.

There is no saving this country from admiration of criminality and dodgy dealing. Is there?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

cursai wrote: »

They're a legacy family. People have rosy eyes when thinking of them .I
Nextng they'll be looking to take the book of Kells from meath.

Yeah people always have rosy eyes when it comes to legacy families in Ireland. :rolleyes:

steddyeddy

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Have often thought the same myself, and I mentioned it in a previous post re CAB.

But the children don't seem to be too bothered.

Indeed. His son L brags about it.

Ray Palmer

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Why? Shouldn't CAB have been able to seize it.

Maybe the same way Denis O Brien accrued his wealth in Ireland?

His wife was very wealthy so that is how they could afford it.

It was decided he couldn't get a fair prosecution so charges were never brought. They didn't think he was innocent.

Apparently the first ever ESB wind turbines were placed on the Island where he charged them rent while getting free electricity.

This is going to annoy the usual suspects, so that will be a good sign. But there's a lot of truth in it. The Blueshirts must have been absolutely fúcking awful that Irish people chose Haughey and company over them. Or are we going to absolve Sir Garret and company from all blame here? Just what was Sir Garret doing when Thatcher was on the rampage with shoot-to-kill policies, collusion and the Hunger Strikes against the native Irish still living under the remnants of British colonial occupation? Vichy Ireland?

Perhaps if the Blueshirts ditched the John Unionist Bruton and Brian Hayes poppy-wearing. British Empire-apologist types - not to mention the Avril "The Famine was a shared experience between the British and Irish peoples" Doyle types - they might make themselves more electable for those of us who aren't going around with shame about being Irish? A profoundly anglocentric, intellectually conquered group with no sense of, or meas for, the Irish tradition. Cultural Cringe mentality everywhere. And that's the long and the short of why very, very many people would never vote for the Blueshirts.

In truth, FG has never been a catch-all party, nor has it wanted to be. It has always felt more comfortable having a niche on the right wing, knowing that the way our political system was set up it will inevitably get into power in a coalition when FF fúcks up enough. And they can bet the house on that.

steddyeddy

Ray Palmer wrote: »

His wife was very wealthy so that is how they could afford it.

It was decided he couldn't get a fair prosecution so charges were never brought. They didn't think he was innocent.

Apparently the first ever ESB wind turbines were placed on the Island where he charged them rent while getting free electricity.

How much of his wife's wealth was from criminal activity though? How much of her income was used to buy the island?

Considering how the island was bought it's a further shame that they're charging the ESB and by extension the taxpayer, rent.

gozunda

Ray Palmer wrote: »

His wife was very wealthy so that is how they could afford it.

It was decided he couldn't get a fair prosecution so charges were never brought. They didn't think he was innocent.

Apparently the first ever ESB wind turbines were placed on the Island where he charged them rent while getting free electricity.

CAB regulary seize joint assets. It's not unknown. On death she inherited much of those joint assets. Much of his wealth derived from Charlie's dodgy dealing...

Muahahaha

Apart from the bribes from Ben Dunne what other businessmen was Haughey being paid from?
Also iirc in the 1980s Ireland devalued the punt at least a couple of times, Ive always wondered if Haughey used his prior knowledge of the dealuations to make a killing on the currency markets. There are certainly a few very wealthy businessmen in Ireland who started out as currency traders around that time, you would wonder if it is all connected up in insider trading with Haughey supplying the info on when the Dept. of Finance was going to devalue the punt.

arctictree

gozunda wrote: »

Charlie the man that famously told the country that we were "living beyond our means" all the while he was living it up in his big house, buying islands and having the state pay for his designer shirts in Paris.

He left a legacy of corruption and backhanders that is still with us to this day. Try getting planning permissions without extra fees and you might as well take the boat.

Absolute BS. We went through the planning process 4 times (last one successfully) and not once was it ever mentioned that we had to pay off anyone. That day is long gone but I suppose it doesn't suit the agenda here.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Typical Irish begrudgery. Haughey is one of the finest Toiasigh this country has ever had. He done an awful lot and led this country through turbulent times. He always had time for the common people as well. I have a vivid memory of him chatting to my mam on the door step and helping her carry in the shopping.


I'll always be loyal to Charlie and his family.

suicide_circus

grotesque, unbelievable, bizarre and unprecedented

JupiterKid

It's got to be remembered that this country was a Banana Republic 30 odd years ago and an economic basket case and CJ was very much part of the elite kleptocracy who enriched themselves and their circle of cronies whilst the average taxpayer was royally screwed or had to emigrate.

This country was essentially a sh*thole in the 1980s due to corruption and gross economic mismanagement and thank God I was only a young kid at the time and was lucky to have had parents who worked hard to make sure we wanted for nothing. CJ was also a nasty bully but because he stood up to Thatcher, another bully, he was admired by much of the electorate.

Cute hoorism and getting away with it have long been a scourge in Irish politics and society in general. Post colonial hangover methinks just like the absurd power of the church at the time. But we are changing...

Bertie learned well from his mentor...

feargale

dxhound2005 wrote: »

They want to make a few bob out of it during the eclipse.

Inishvickillane will be the first land in Europe to experience the Solar eclipse of September 23, 2090.

I must put that in my diary.

Duckworth_Luas

Agricola

You'd have to wonder which is actually worse. Charlie Haughey creaming a bit off the top but doing something to improve the lot of those who need it, or white than whiter Leo Varadkar who probably declared his communion money to the revenue, but has absolutely no interest in solving problems like health and housing because he basically believes everything should be privatized.

Franz Von Peppercorn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is going to annoy the usual suspects, so that will be a good sign. But there's a lot of truth in it. The Blueshirts must have been absolutely fúcking awful that Irish people chose Haughey and company over them. Or are we going to absolve Sir Garret and company from all blame here? Just what was Sir Garret doing when Thatcher was on the rampage with shoot-to-kill policies, collusion and the Hunger Strikes against the native Irish still living under the remnants of British colonial occupation? Vichy Ireland?

Perhaps if the Blueshirts ditched the John Unionist Bruton and Brian Hayes poppy-wearing. British Empire-apologist types - not to mention the Avril "The Famine was a shared experience between the British and Irish peoples" Doyle types - they might make themselves more electable for those of us who aren't going around with shame about being Irish? A profoundly anglocentric, intellectually conquered group with no sense of, or meas for, the Irish tradition. Cultural Cringe mentality everywhere. And that's the long and the short of why very, very many people would never vote for the Blueshirts.

In truth, FG has never been a catch-all party, nor has it wanted to be. It has always felt more comfortable having a niche on the right wing, knowing that the way our political system was set up it will inevitably get into power in a coalition when FF fúcks up enough. And they can bet the house on that.

Sure there’s a lot of cultural cringe. However that’s no defense of haughey.

tayto lover

Has anything actually changed from Haughey's day?

gozunda

arctictree wrote: »

Absolute BS. We went through the planning process 4 times (last one successfully) and not once was it ever mentioned that we had to pay off anyone. That day is long gone but I suppose it doesn't suit the agenda here.

Well that's your story. And btw you are never asked for "pay offs". The 'extra fees' are much more subtle than that trust me ...