Gardai caught with cocaine

Autochange

It has emerged that the Gardai involved in this latest circus show won't be charged after getting caught with a class A substance.

Why are we been taken for mugs? 1 law for some another for the rest

BrokenArrows

Autochange wrote: »

It has emerged that the Gardai involved in this latest circus show won't be charged after getting caught with a class A substance.

Why are we been taken for mugs? 1 law for some another for the rest

how much coke was it?

beertons

Do I smell something?

Boom_Bap

Autochange

BrokenArrows wrote: »

how much coke was it?

100 euro worth and he is suspected of dealing to other gardai

Auguste Comte

Autochange wrote: »

100 euro worth and he is suspected of dealing to other gardai

Link?

Get Real

You saw the file I suppose?

A file was sent to the DPP in the first place because of the fact they're guards, not in spite of it.

It was alleged they were using it. How many tradespeople, solicitors, nurses, teachers, IT professionals use it on the weekend , have a file sent to the DPP on it, and have their employer told? None. They are only informed after a conviction, and thats only if the person chooses to disclose it in the majority of cases.

If anything a file being sent up to the dpp by the guards themselves proves the exact opppsite of what may be implied on this thread.

And now they'll be fined, suspended or fired. (And rightly so in my opinion)

There was no coke actually found on them. If you saw someone in a toilet, rang the guards who arrived and there was no coke on them, the joe soap would be free to go, certainly no file to dpp, and certainly no consequences for their job.

But these people have a different job, and were held to have a higher expectation, presumed guilty regardless, which is proper order.

Edit: to add link. This relates to a call of someone maintaining there was guards using cocaine in a nightclub months ago

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/news/four-gardai-suspended-in-cocaine-probe-wont-face-criminal-charges-37280711.html

It in no way relates to the more serious incident, which again shows guards prosecuting guards for illegal activity.

whippet

Autochange wrote: »

100 euro worth and he is suspected of dealing to other gardai

If you can show me a link to any where a first time offender received a conviction for possession of €100 worth of cocaine .. I might think about joining the Outraged club

Rushden

Autochange wrote: »

100 euro worth and he is suspected of dealing to other gardai

Different case , the ones not being charged are the ones who were apparently seen by nightclub security with cocaine in the bathroom, weren't actually found with any . The case you're on about is completely separate

Arrival

Legalise all drugs and set up appropriate regulations for the sale of each and use some of the generated taxes to fund rehabilitation and mental health. That is all.

Amirani

Arrival wrote: »

Legalise all drugs and set up appropriate regulations for the sale of each and use some of the generated taxes to fund rehabilitation and mental health. That is all.

Irrespective of the legality of drugs generally, I don't think members of An Garda Siochana should be permitted to use them.

Autochange

whippet wrote: »

If you can show me a link to any where a first time offender received a conviction for possession of €100 worth of cocaine .. I might think about joining the Outraged club

Read a rural paper with a courts section. Happens regularly. The guy in question is supposed to be in an occupation where he upholds the law. Won't even see court I bet.

Realt Dearg Sec

Autochange wrote: »

whippet wrote: »

If you can show me a link to any where a first time offender received a conviction for possession of €100 worth of cocaine .. I might think about joining the Outraged club

Read a rural paper with a courts section. Happens regularly. The guy in question is supposed to be in an occupation where he upholds the law. Won't even see court I bet.

Just one example shouldn't be difficult to find so.

ARNOLD J RIMMER

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Just one example shouldn't be difficult to find so.

Why do these Guards not appear in court when this lady does?

This is what happens to others

https://www.kildarenow.com/news/naas-district-court-sees-woman-gets-order-pay-st-brigids-hospice-100s-euros-connection-drugs-charge/185114

6:00 Monday 18th of September 2017
A woman appeared before Naas District Court on possession of cannabis charges.

The 27- year-old woman faced charges of being found with €10 worth of cannabis herb on July 21, 2016.


Evidence was heard that the accused had no previous convictions.

Judge Desmond Zaidan ordered that the accused pay €500 to St Brigid's Hospice, The Curragh, and if not paid, then a Section 1(1) Probation Act will be imposed.

MikeHammer70

Arrival wrote: »

Legalise all drugs and set up appropriate regulations for the sale of each and use some of the generated taxes to fund rehabilitation and mental health. That is all.

Good idea

I'm opening up a chain of crystal meth shops

freshpopcorn

Gardai take cocaine, smoke weed, etc. They don't really get into trouble unless they get caught out which is similar to the rest of us.

Your Face

Arrival wrote: »

Legalise all drugs and set up appropriate regulations for the sale of each and use some of the generated taxes to fund rehabilitation and mental health. That is all.

Yes, like alcohol and tobacco.
Brilliant.

Arrival

MikeHammer70 wrote: »

Good idea

I'm opening up a chain of crystal meth shops

Lol while you're being sarcastic, if legalised, Chrystal meth would obviously be one of the most regulated and hard to obtain drugs, up there with heroin. I don't know why it is but people seem to overlook the 'regulate' part of 'legalise and regulate', as if people like me are suggesting that all drugs should be freely available in supermarkets. Anyone who jumps to this conclusion is a moron. That would obviously be absolutely stupid, but of course anyone with common sense realises this isn't what's being proposed

Your Face wrote: »

Yes, like alcohol and tobacco.
Brilliant.

Certain drugs, such as cannabis, should be made as easily accessible and available as those, yes. The most important thing is quality control, to ensure everything is clean and clearly labeled, as with tobacco and alcohol currently.

Your Face

Arrival wrote: »

Certain drugs, such as cannabis, should be made as easily accessible and available as those, yes. The most important thing is quality control, to ensure everything is clean and clearly labeled, as with tobacco and alcohol currently.

My point being that the legal drugs we have already cause mental, health and social issues.
No point legalising other substances that do damage to people.
I do think cannabis should be made available to people with chronic pain, crystal meth - not so much.

Terrlock

If gardi are taking drugs then it makes enforcement of drug laws a mockery.

It also would allow an opening for Criminal Gangs to have a certain element of control over the gardi.

If a gard is found taking drugs then he should be at least suspended, following a complete investigation that would require him to report the dealer he received the drugs from.

bodice ripper

whippet wrote:

If you can show me a link to any where a first time offender received a conviction for possession of €100 worth of cocaine .. I might think about joining the Outraged club

I have seen a first time offender get done for having a baggie with coke residue on their person. 150 euro fine and a criminal record.

Realt Dearg Sec

Your Face wrote: »

Arrival wrote: »

Certain drugs, such as cannabis, should be made as easily accessible and available as those, yes. The most important thing is quality control, to ensure everything is clean and clearly labeled, as with tobacco and alcohol currently.

My point being that the legal drugs we have already cause mental, health and social issues.
No point legalising other substances that do damage to people.
I do think cannabis should be made available to people with chronic pain, crystal meth - not so much.

What if the very fact that they are illegal is itself damaging to people? Perhaps we should treat addiction as a health issue instead of a criminal one? The positive social effects of doing so have been demonstrated in other countries, Portugal recently for example.

Riesen_Meal

Terrlock wrote: »

If gardi are taking drugs then it makes enforcement of drug laws a mockery.

It also would allow an opening for Criminal Gangs to have a certain element of control over the gardi.

If a gard is found taking drugs then he should be at least suspended, following a complete investigation that would require him to report the dealer he received the drugs from.

Living in a bubble if you think certain serving gardai do not take drugs...

My friend is on the force and is fairly up the ranks now at this stage but when he was starting out training and going to Templemore etc they had a team bonding type exercise where they went camping up the mountains with a fire, few beers and a tent etc...

He got a bit of the wacky backy from his brother to bring along and out of the eight of them present, 7 of them had a smoke of it with only one who was not bothered by it...

A different cop I know brings his missus to get some green stuff for her in his uniform FFS just to keep her happy...

Garda are people also you know...

Autochange

Fieldog wrote: »

Living in a bubble if you think certain serving gardai do not take drugs...

My friend is on the force and is fairly up the ranks now at this stage but when he was starting out training and going to Templemore etc they had a team bonding type exercise where they went camping up the mountains with a fire, few beers and a tent etc...

He got a bit of the wacky backy from his brother to bring along and out of the eight of them present, 7 of them had a smoke of it with only one who was not bothered by it...

A different cop I know brings his missus to get some green stuff for her in his uniform FFS just to keep her happy...

Garda are people also you know...

Ah sure it'll be grand attitude. Makes a mockery of law and order which they have taken an oath to uphold

Riesen_Meal

Autochange wrote: »

Ah sure it'll be grand attitude. Makes a mockery of law and order which they have taken an oath to uphold

Drug laws do need to change in the country though, we are a backward little country when it comes to stuff like that, I'm not one of these people who would say "legalise it all" but I wouldn't have an issue if say the likes of weed was legalised, but not hard drugs like Coke and heroin etc

Autochange

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Just one example shouldn't be difficult to find so.

Someone posted a couple of examples. Did you join the club?

Autochange

Fieldog wrote: »

Drug laws do need to change in the country though, we are a backward little country when it comes to stuff like that, I'm not one of these people who would say "legalise it all" but I wouldn't have an issue if say the likes of weed was legalised, but not hard drugs like Coke and heroin etc

It would be madness to leagalise cocaine and heroin. Alcohol is surely worse than weed. But of course people will abuse any substance. Like everything in life it's all about moderation

Arrival

Your Face wrote: »

My point being that the legal drugs we have already cause mental, health and social issues.
No point legalising other substances that do damage to people.
I do think cannabis should be made available to people with chronic pain, crystal meth - not so much.

There absolutely is a point, getting it all entirely out of the hands of criminal manufacturers and dealers and making recreational drug use a health issue rather than a criminal one. I'm well aware that when you think about this it seems absolutely mad but when you actually consider everything logically this is the best, most constructive approach to take. Once all drugs are legalised, it would be possible for research to be done on the damaging effects of each drug and draft appropriate regulations around each individual one, for example heroin could be made only available in completely separate clinics/dispensaries for people who are already addicts and through regular visits to the same clinic these addicts could be positively influenced by the clinicians helping them to begin working towards rehabilitation. This is absolutely not possible when addicts are going to exploitative dealers who are giving them drugs mixed with all kinds of crap and them proceeding to administering the drugs themselves with possibly dirty needless on the streets or in alleyways - nobody cares about addicts in these conditions and they pick up on that. In specialised clinics they would be at least be out of the public eye and given the chance to build rapport with people capable of treating them with dignity and getting them started on helping themselves.

Arrival

Autochange wrote: »

Ah sure it'll be grand attitude. Makes a mockery of law and order which they have taken an oath to uphold

The ridiculous drug laws in this country are deserving of a mockery, they're not based off of a logical approach whatsoever. Adults should be allowed to choose to consume whatever they like with their own bodies as long as it causes no harm to anyone else. Locking people up in cages for doing this is the complete opposite of liberty.

Arrival

Autochange wrote: »

It would be madness to leagalise cocaine and heroin. Alcohol is surely worse than weed. But of course people will abuse any substance. Like everything in life it's all about moderation

iT wOuLd bE mAdNeSs

No it wouldn't. It would allow us to actually get a hold of the madness and manage it better by being able to find out the level of addiction amongst the users. You're probably thinking that legal coke and heroin would be available in the same way as legal tobacco and alcohol which would be simply moronic. As I've explained in a previous post, heroin could be very well regulated to only allow access to current users/addicts. Coke could be regulated in a similar manner, although not as severe. A possible way to combat abuse would be to setup all users on a centralised database that all dispensaries must use to record people's purchases.

When a user approaches a certain limit they could be ordered to attend a drug awareness and education course to help them understand how they're behaving dangerously and destructively and if their high level of use persists they should be made go through rehabilitation. Bear in mind that these type of people are a MINORITY. The majority of us are intelligent adults capable of keeping a hold of ourselves and knowing our limits. Properly educating our population, especially the youth, is an especially important aspect of this sort of approach. If done right, we really would see a far more positive approach to drug use and a reduction of drug abuse in this country. People would learn to recognise why they feel the need to use certain drugs, whether or not this is a result of mental health issues or an escape from an unpleasant life and they would all be aware of the resources available to help them learn to cope. Absolutely NONE of this is possible with the current stupid laws and lack of regulations on the supply.

Autochange

Arrival wrote: »

iT wOuLd bE mAdNeSs

No it wouldn't. It would allow us to actually get a hold of the madness and manage it better by being able to find out the level of addiction amongst the users. You're probably thinking that legal coke and heroin would be available in the same way as legal tobacco and alcohol which would be simply moronic. As I've explained in a previous post, heroin could be very well regulated to only allow access to current users/addicts. Coke could be regulated in a similar manner, although not as severe. A possible way to combat abuse would be to setup all users on a centralised database that all dispensaries must use to record people's purchases.

When a user approaches a certain limit they could be ordered to attend a drug awareness and education course to help them understand how they're behaving dangerously and destructively and if their high level of use persists they should be made go through rehabilitation. Bear in mind that these type of people are a MINORITY. The majority of us are intelligent adults capable of keeping a hold of ourselves and knowing our limits. Properly educating our population, especially the youth, is an especially important aspect of this sort of approach. If done right, we really would see a far more positive approach to drug use and a reduction of drug abuse in this country. People would learn to recognise why they feel the need to use certain drugs, whether or not this is a result of mental health issues or an escape from an unpleasant life and they would all be aware of the resources available to help them learn to cope. Absolutely NONE of this is possible with the current stupid laws and lack of regulations on the supply.

I know you took a lot of time to write that reply but what you wrote is verging on ridiculous. Can you explain the but about the cocaine users again please.