John Mc Cain

Pocaide

Sad news from the US of Senator John McCain's passing.

RIP

Agent Smith

Pocaide wrote: »

Sad news from the US of Senator John McCain's passing.

RIP

Didn't agree with everything he said, But He Stood up for what he believed to be right for all Americans.

His Defense of Obama's Family, Religion and citizenship is what i'll remember of him. He was a true maverick. Where he could have stoked up fears and Rallied up hate he took the high road.

RIP John McCain.

thebull85

He went fairly quick after they stopped his treatment. RIP

Yer Da sells Avon

His mother, believe it or not, is still alive at 106.

Pocaide

Wow,that i a surprising fact.

Yer Da sells Avon

It goes without saying that no 106-year-old should ever have to bury their elderly son.

Donald Trump

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

It goes without saying that no 106-year-old should ever have to bury their elderly son.

If you make it to 106 you can expect to have buried everyone

123balltv

A decent man RIP John Mccain

JohnFalstaff

RIP. McCain had many admirable qualities and served his country with much distinction and bravery.

But his political legacy will be forever tainted by bringing Sarah Palin on board when he ran for the Presidency. He opened the door to the s***storm we've been enduring in US politics since.

alan partridge aha

Great man should have backed Sir Donald though.

Your Face

He made great chips.

Sal Butamol

He was a warmonger.

He pushed hard for war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya. He supported the arming of extremists so long as it facilitated the goals of the U.S.

He supported military intervention across Africa.

He wanted to bomb Iran and laughed and joked about it.

He backed the war in Bosnia and Kosovo, and supports arming groups with links to Bin Laden

He wanted more intervention in Ukraine, including arming Neo-Nazis that were anti-Russian

He regularly advocated confrontational policies against Russia that were nothing short of lunacy.

He wanted Trump to bomb North Korea

He also wanted confrontational approaches with China.

The man constantly pushed for war and arming dangerous groups worldwide.

His passing is no loss.

Pocaide

Really ??

sydthebeat

His passing is a huge loss... He was a man of proactive action.... Not a by Stander....

The world is a safer place because of him, but this won't be recognised until long after he's gone.

alan partridge aha

sydthebeat wrote: »

His passing is a huge loss... He was a man of proactive action.... Not a by Stander....

The world is a safer place because of him, but this won't be recognised until long after he's gone.

Not according to Sal Butamol

Westernyelp

It's a pretty sad State of affairs when McCain looks like a Moderate. Rip

rossie1977

Westernyelp wrote: »

It's a pretty sad State of affairs when McCain looks like a Moderate. Rip

It's incredible how far to the right the Republicans has shifted in a decade.

Rjd2

Sad to see him go, but in the upcoming eulogies I hope people don't try to re write history regarding him as ultimately he was one of the biggest war mongers about and when you look at the neo-cons about, that's some achievement.

The fact he took on Trump should not mean he should get a reprieve for that no matter how awful Trump is.

Anyhow R.I.P

Arghus

Seemed like a man of principle. I don't know if I would agree with his principles, but at least he had genuine beliefs, which is a step above the opportunistic impulsive clown currently in The White House.

Some of Trump's comments about him being a coward and a surrenderer were beneath contempt. What McCain went through as a POW was beyond belief and for that draft dodger to talk like that about him was a total disgrace.

ClanofLams

Sal Butamol wrote: »

He was a warmonger.

He pushed hard for war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya. He supported the arming of extremists so long as it facilitated the goals of the U.S.

He supported military intervention across Africa.

He wanted to bomb Iran and laughed and joked about it.

He backed the war in Bosnia and Kosovo, and supports arming groups with links to Bin Laden

He wanted more intervention in Ukraine, including arming Neo-Nazis that were anti-Russian

He regularly advocated confrontational policies against Russia that were nothing short of lunacy.

He wanted Trump to bomb North Korea

He also wanted confrontational approaches with China.

The man constantly pushed for war and arming dangerous groups worldwide.

His passing is no loss.

The above isn’t accurate but even if it were, the man has a wife, kids, grandkids,etc - his passing is certainly a loss to them.

Have a little decency.

alan partridge aha

McCain a great man, America financially doing brilliant under Sir Donald

sydthebeat

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Not according to Sal Butamol

A cursory read of his time leading up to and during hao lo would inform people better, and make a compete mockery of the Donald's insults.

Ignorance is the gift for those who those who refuse....

Pa8301

alan partridge aha wrote: »

McCain a great man, America financially doing brilliant under Sir Donald

Thank f*ck for Obama right. Leaving the economy in such a state that even Donald couldn't f*uck it up in his first two years.

alan partridge aha

Pa8301 wrote: »

Thank f*ck for Obama right. Leaving the economy in such a state that even Donald couldn't f*uck it up in his first two years.

Whatever

Arghus

Arghus wrote: »

Seemed like a man of principle. I don't know if I would agree with his principles, but at least he had genuine beliefs, which is a step above the opportunistic impulsive clown currently in The White House.

Some of Trump's comments about him being a coward and a surrenderer were beneath contempt. What McCain went through as a POW was beyond belief and for that draft dodger to talk like that about him was a total disgrace.

Such an American mindset, I've no idea how it creeped into Ireland. You're saying McCain was good because he was killing Vietnamese people, and Trump is bad because he didn't?

The only Vietnam vet I respect comes back here for months every year practicing medicine for free. He has an enormous amount of guilt about what happened here and continually tries to help the country. McCain et al? "Lets' bomb more countries."

Pa8301

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Whatever

Great response. We'll see how the US economy is going in a year's time when Trump's trade war really takes hold.

NIMAN

ClanofLams wrote: »

The above isn’t accurate but even if it were, the man has a wife, kids, grandkids,etc - his passing is certainly a loss to them.

Have a little decency.

I don't think they'll see anything on Boards.

Irish Praetorian

Sal Butamol wrote: »

He was a warmonger.

He pushed hard for war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya. He supported the arming of extremists so long as it facilitated the goals of the U.S.

He supported military intervention across Africa.

He wanted to bomb Iran and laughed and joked about it.

He backed the war in Bosnia and Kosovo, and supports arming groups with links to Bin Laden

He wanted more intervention in Ukraine, including arming Neo-Nazis that were anti-Russian

He regularly advocated confrontational policies against Russia that were nothing short of lunacy.

He wanted Trump to bomb North Korea

He also wanted confrontational approaches with China.

The man constantly pushed for war and arming dangerous groups worldwide.

His passing is no loss.

I'm not going to deal with all of these given the time but just a few;

Afghanistan - toppling an Islamist regime that harboured the most deadly terrorists of all time, so terrible.

Libya - why couldn't we have just stood back and let the violence unfold, I mean that worked in Syria right?

Bosnia and Kosovo - so intervening to stop a genocide was a bad thing, got it.

Ukraine - yes those famous Ukrainian neo-nazi who are so strong they didn't manage to get into parliament in the last election.


You want to make complaints about a man's policy fine; you might want to do more than just regurgitating the usual 'USA bad' tropes.

alan partridge aha

Pa8301 wrote: »

Great response. We'll see how the US economy is going in a year's time when Trump's trade war really takes hold.

Absolutely we will see and his possible 're election in 2020.

Pa8301

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Absolutely we will see and his possible 're election in 2020.

Anything is possible alright.

deco nate

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

I'm not going to deal with all of these given the time but just a few;

Afghanistan - toppling an Islamist regime that harboured the most deadly terrorists of all time, so terrible.

Libya - why couldn't we have just stood back and let the violence unfold, I mean that worked in Syria right?

Bosnia and Kosovo - so intervening to stop a genocide was a bad thing, got it.

Ukraine - yes those famous Ukrainian neo-nazi who are so strong they didn't manage to get into parliament in the last election.


You want to make complaints about a man's policy fine; you might want to do more than just regurgitating the usual 'USA bad' tropes.

Emm, hearts and Minds works best.
Tell me how it worked out for the US after they bankrolled a certain group?
Some crazy talk on here.
War is good for one thing.
Profit for your backers.
And fook the people.

Bradlin

Your Face wrote: »

He made great chips.

Doffs cap.

Arghus

Deleted User wrote: »

Such an American mindset, I've no idea how it creeped into Ireland. You're saying McCain was good because he was killing Vietnamese people, and Trump is bad because he didn't?

What? What are you on about man? That's not what I said at all. Trump as a defender of Vietnamese Civilian life, that's the best one ever!

I made no claims about the morality or lack thereof of the Vietnam War. If you actually want my personal opinion on it - as opposed to inferring it based on something I didn't actually say - then I think absolutely without question it was a morally unjustifiable war that should have never happened. You missed the point of what I was saying and added on some other stuff that I never went into.

My point was that Trump had referred to McCain as a coward. Now, whatever you may think about about the rights and wrongs of the war, I think McCain endured incredible punishment as a POW for many years and many men would not have been able to survive it. Do I think his conscience as a guy who dropped bombs should be squeaky clean, of course not. But I have a basic level of respect for him because he showed himself to be a tough bastard who didn't die in a situation where it would have been easier to quit. You can respect someone for something even if you don't agree with every other facet of them or even why they are doing that something in the first place. Life isn't always black and white you know.

And please stop trying to rewrite history to make it sound as if Trump was some sort of conscientious objector to the war. My arse! He didn't want to get killed, that's all! I can't necessarily blame him for that, it's pretty understandable really! But he used his family connections to worm his way out of facing any action and, given that, he should have the grace to not call people who did actually fight - whether it was morally justified or not - and suffer, cowards.

That's what I was saying with my post. Dial the rhetoric back a bit.

the_syco

Sal Butamol wrote: »

He backed the war in Bosnia and Kosovo, and supports arming groups with links to Bin Laden

Was this while Bin Laden was a CIA asset?

the_syco

Arghus wrote: »

My point was that Trump had referred to McCain as a coward. Now, whatever you may think about about the rights and wrongs of the war, I think McCain endured incredible punishment as a POW for many years and many men would not have been able to survive it. Do I think his conscience as a guy who dropped bombs should be squeaky clean, of course not. But I have a basic level of respect for him because he showed himself to be a tough bastard who didn't die in a situation where it would have been easier to quit. You can respect someone for something even if you don't agree with every other facet of them or even why they are doing that something in the first place. Life isn't always black and white you know.

Pissed me off seeing the draft dodger call McCain a coward.

Arghus

Arghus wrote: »

What? What are you on about man? That's not what I said at all. Trump as a defender of Vietnamese Civilian life, that's the best one ever!

Best what ever? I never said that. Unfortunately, your wall of text follows that theme all the way through.


McCain was in Vietnam. Trump wasn't. I don't care for the reasons because I am Irish and I don't fetishise war or have any respect for soldiers. Nor do most Irish people I know. "Draft dodging" means nothing to me and is more of a plus than a minus, regardless of the reasons. America's homeland was not under attack and Vietnam was not like WWII.

You respect soldiers, and that's something that's been imported from America. That was my point. You also seem to give him a pass on the bad things he's done because you respect how tough he is. I don't agree with that or even understand the logic.

The rest of your post is glorifying strongmen and putting words in my mouth so I won't even quote it or respond to it. I don't care about McCain enough.

Lucy8080

I heard yesterday that he was refusing further treatment for his brain cancer. Today he died.

His wife put out a statement that included the words " He passed the way he lived , on his own terms, surrounded by the people he loved".

the_syco

the_syco wrote: »

Pissed me off seeing the draft dodger call McCain a coward.

Disrespectful. Especially someone in his position.

Mc Cain had the last laugh. Obama and Bush will deliver speeches at his funeral and Trump isn't invited.

silverharp

one less war monger hack who could have started a nuclear war, hell just became a little less safe

Sad Professor

Horrible man. If there’s such a thing as a soul, his deserves no peace.

Tom Mann Centuria

Didn't like his politics, at all, but I hope he and his family has peace after fighting cancer, not a nice way to go.

Tipsy McSwagger

A shame as he was the only republican to stand up to the biggest threat in the history of the US, the Russian controller traitor Donald Trump.

elefant

Deleted User wrote: »

Best what ever? I never said that. Unfortunately, your wall of text follows that theme all the way through.


McCain was in Vietnam. Trump wasn't. I don't care for the reasons because I am Irish and I don't fetishise war or have any respect for soldiers. Nor do most Irish people I know. "Draft dodging" means nothing to me and is more of a plus than a minus, regardless of the reasons. America's homeland was not under attack and Vietnam was not like WWII.

You respect soldiers, and that's something that's been imported from America. That was my point. You also seem to give him a pass on the bad things he's done because you respect how tough he is. I don't agree with that or even understand the logic.

The rest of your post is glorifying strongmen and putting words in my mouth so I won't even quote it or respond to it. I don't care about McCain enough.

He's putting words in your mouth? Amazing!

Zebra3

Such a pity.

Why now, why not 60 years ago?

Another member of the US terror establishment living far too long.

spurious

Sal Butamol wrote:

His passing is no loss.

Everyone's passing is a loss.

Candyshell

Pa8301 wrote: »

Great response. We'll see how the US economy is going in a year's time when Trump's trade war really takes hold.

The trade war is a negotiating tactic, I predict world GDP increases as a result of it. As it will result in less tariffs and subsidies. Trump realises he can push the trade war further than his foes as the US economy can withstabd more strain. China and the EU will acquiesce in my opinion.

spindex

Such a shame, although he cheated death a fair few times. I always thought the lord would take him around Christmas time. May he rest in peace.
To quote the great man "Yippie-Ki-Yay, Motherf*cker"

TheShockmaster

RIP the hero of nakatomi plaza

Yipppee ki yay

FTA69

ClanofLams wrote: »

The above isn’t accurate but even if it were, the man has a wife, kids, grandkids,etc - his passing is certainly a loss to them.

Have a little decency.

Sorry you're wrong there, it is accurate. He once stood up and sang Bomb Iran to the theme of Barbara Ann and was a big cheerleader for the farce in Libya that put jihadis and slavers into power.

Raging_Ninja

RIP. An honest politician at a time where it appears there aren't very many. Even if you didn't agree with him, you knew where you stood with him.

Pac1Man

Yippee ki-yay Mr. McCain.