Plans for 1200 properties in Mulhuddart

handlemaster

I read this the other day. Whats the opinion out there ? There going to build 1200 apts /houses near IBM. Looks like most if not all social. Will this be a new getto ?

jack presley

handlemaster wrote: »

I read this the other day. Whats the opinion out there ? There going to build 1200 apts /houses near IBM. Looks like most if not all social. Will this be a new getto ?

Is this what you mean?

http://www.thejournal.ie/damastown-village-plan-3761234-Dec2017/

I hadn't heard any more about this since then. I didn't think it went any further than the People Before Profit releasing plans for the site (hand drawn plans if I remember correctly)

Has it resurfaced?

handlemaster

It has was in either times or indo. Planning this oct

LorelaiG

Badly needed. Most of it should be social housing and no it won't be a new ghetto. Can't wait to see building started.

jack presley

handlemaster wrote: »

It has was in either times or indo. Planning this oct

Here’s the Indo link

https://m.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/1200-more-homes-as-dublin-steps-up-social-housing-push-37229328.html

Seems it’s still at the design stage with the planing app in October being only for the road to access the site.

Also says ‘funding proposals still being examined’ so still a way off I think.

ciaran76

Where is Church Fields exactly ?

LorelaiG

It's the land to the left as you're driving down the Damastown Link Road coming from Cruiserath Road.

LorelaiG

https://www.facebook.com/DamastownVillage/photos/a.295418897528926/296070270797122/?type=1&theater

This was the plan by Solidarity originally.

jack presley

LorelaiG wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/DamastownVillage/photos/a.295418897528926/296070270797122/?type=1&theater

This was the plan by Solidarity originally.

Those drawings made me laugh at the time. It was 2017 and it looked like they drawn by an architect on a drawing board using a T-square and a few pencils.

Gavin "shels"

LorelaiG wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/DamastownVillage/photos/a.295418897528926/296070270797122/?type=1&theater

This was the plan by Solidarity originally.

Gotta love them guys...

Former Former

LorelaiG wrote: »

Badly needed. Most of it should be social housing and no it won't be a new ghetto. Can't wait to see building started.

Hopefully it won't be a ghetto, but plonking a thousand social houses together on the edge of the city has never worked out well before.

LorelaiG

It will be a mix of social, affordable and private housing. Not just social housing.

handlemaster

LorelaiG wrote: »

Badly needed. Most of it should be social housing and no it won't be a new ghetto. Can't wait to see building started.

Why would it not be? Most social housing generally people who dont work / dont.dont want to work. What could go.wrong

Former Former

LorelaiG wrote: »

It will be a mix of social, affordable and private housing. Not just social housing.

I was more responding to your "most of it should be social housing" comment. If that happens, it's doomed from the start.

listermint

handlemaster wrote: »

Why would it not be? Most social housing generally people who dont work / dont.dont want to work. What could go.wrong

Is there enough rolls eyes in the world ?

handlemaster

listermint wrote: »

handlemaster wrote: »

Why would it not be? Most social housing generally people who dont work / dont.dont want to work. What could go.wrong

Is there enough rolls eyes in the world ?

That wasnt even funny ten years ago ..

DaveyDave

Don't forget about the people that work in that area. There's daily joyriding, stolen cars and frequent street racing. Some people are afraid to walk home/cycle from work at night. More social housing isn't going to make the area any better than it is.

listermint

handlemaster wrote: »

That wasnt even funny ten years ago ..

Oh I think it was .

I grew up in a council estate. Both my parents worked. All our neighbors worked.

My cousin's all grew up on council estates all of them work all of their parents work.

I don't have a single friend that didn't go to college and isn't paying the highest rate of tax in this country.

So pray tell mr knowledge and all seeing eye how is it you come to know people in council estates majority of them don't work.

I'm really really interested in your opinion on this subject you seem to know so much about

handlemaster

listermint wrote: »

handlemaster wrote: »

That wasnt even funny ten years ago ..

Oh I think it was .

I grew up in a council estate. Both my parents worked. All our neighbors worked.

My cousin's all grew up on council estates all of them work all of their parents work.

I don't have a single friend that didn't go to college and isn't paying the highest rate of tax in this country.

So pray tell mr knowledge and all seeing eye how is it you come to know people in council estates majority of them don't work.

I'm really really interested in your opinion on this subject you seem to know so much about

Fake news

listermint

Thanks, proved my point

Mongfinder General

listermint wrote: »

Oh I think it was .

I grew up in a council estate. Both my parents worked. All our neighbors worked.

My cousin's all grew up on council estates all of them work all of their parents work.

I don't have a single friend that didn't go to college and isn't paying the highest rate of tax in this country.

So pray tell mr knowledge and all seeing eye how is it you come to know people in council estates majority of them don't work.

I'm really really interested in your opinion on this subject you seem to know so much about

Most of us working full time are paying the higher rate of tax in order to subsidize this nonsense. Mulhuddart is 30 mins from O’Connell Street. It is prime land. And it is being set aside for social and affordable housing. Those of us trying to earn and pay our way without government support are being forced to buy and live in Westmeath and Longford with a daily commute to Dublin in order to keep a roof over our head. The paye worker is being **** on to pay for this nonsense. Eventually those with the right attitude will switch to the wrong attitude. And why not? You’re handed everything for very little in return

Former Former

listermint wrote: »

Oh I think it was .

I grew up in a council estate. Both my parents worked. All our neighbors worked.

My cousin's all grew up on council estates all of them work all of their parents work.

I don't have a single friend that didn't go to college and isn't paying the highest rate of tax in this country.

So pray tell mr knowledge and all seeing eye how is it you come to know people in council estates majority of them don't work.

I'm really really interested in your opinion on this subject you seem to know so much about

I hope this is all true because it would show that social housing can work when done right.

Building hundreds upon hundreds of social houses in one place, in an area that is already one of the most disadvantaged in the state, is not doing it right.

Besides, if both your parents worked, then you wouldn't qualify for a social house now.

LorelaiG

Former Former wrote: »

I hope this is all true because it would show that social housing can work when done right.

Building hundreds upon hundreds of social houses in one place, in an area that is already one of the most disadvantaged in the state, is not doing it right.

Besides, if both your parents worked, then you wouldn't qualify for a social house now.

Eh yeah you would once your income is under a certain amount.

handlemaster

Former Former wrote: »

listermint wrote: »

Oh I think it was .

I grew up in a council estate. Both my parents worked. All our neighbors worked.

My cousin's all grew up on council estates all of them work all of their parents work.

I don't have a single friend that didn't go to college and isn't paying the highest rate of tax in this country.

So pray tell mr knowledge and all seeing eye how is it you come to know people in council estates majority of them don't work.

I'm really really interested in your opinion on this subject you seem to know so much about

I hope this is all true because it would show that social housing can work when done right.

Building hundreds upon hundreds of social houses in one place, in an area that is already one of the most disadvantaged in the state, is not doing it right.

Besides, if both your parents worked, then you wouldn't qualify for a social house now.

It was a nonsence statement . Someone knows people who have lived for generations in social housing and some of them work. Its obvious if you put a large number of under educated people with no interest in working in the one area there will be social issues.

listermint

The last couple posts on this are a clear demonstration of poor schooling and possibly a lack of education growing up. It's that type of sneery nonsense that I get most joy from because it's usually from the types of people that are vehemently against social assistance in any country.

You don't have to be unemployed for social housing you have to be earning below a certain threshold. Social housing has provided somewhere to live for hundreds of thousands of Irish people since the 40s . The majority of whom were working and raring families and adding to the economy.

The fact that there are those that question facts such as that goes to show they didn't listen in school possibly don't have third level education and are generally all round uneducated of the country they reside in.

I revel in pointing out your stupidity.

handlemaster

listermint wrote: »

The last couple posts on this are a clear demonstration of poor schooling and possibly a lack of education growing up. It's that type of sneery nonsense that I get most joy from because it's usually from the types of people that are vehemently against social assistance in any country.

You don't have to be unemployed for social housing you have to be earning below a certain threshold. Social housing has provided somewhere to live for hundreds of thousands of Irish people since the 40s . The majority of whom were working and raring families and adding to the economy.

The fact that there are those that question facts such as that goes to show they didn't listen in school possibly don't have third level education and are generally all round uneducated of the country they reside in.

I revel in pointing out your stupidity.

You started off nicely but shame about the ending. You are what you describe.

listermint

handlemaster wrote: »

You started off nicely but shame about the ending. You are what you describe.

I refuse to believe anyone can get to third level education and believe that people in social housing don't work.

Because this is what you are saying
You

Not anyone else


Tell us more details of your knowledge on this matter.


Own what you say , don't just say stuff without conviction Sir.

handlemaster

listermint wrote: »

handlemaster wrote: »

You started off nicely but shame about the ending. You are what you describe.

I refuse to believe anyone can get to third level education and believe that people in social housing don't work.

Because this is what you are saying
You

Not anyone else


Tell us more details of your knowledge on this matter.

Wheres the stats to prove otherwise. Sure some work. But a large part dont. Issue is putting social housing all together has proven to not work.

listermint

handlemaster wrote: »

Wheres the stats to prove otherwise. Sure some work. But a large part dont. Issue is putting social housing all together has proven to not work.

Your a waffler . Let's call it what it is.

You've a class problem. You come on boards espousing virtues of segregation in society. You don't believe in giving those below you a leg up. You want to keep all tax money for what yourself ?


Thankfully the nation we stand in was founded on different fundamentals. Theres a reason right wing governments don't do well here because the majority of Irish people don't think like you.


People in social housing work like My own parents worked their arse off in social housing and provided myself and my siblings with everything we needed. They then went on to buy their own home as did all their kids.

Many of my friends the same.

So its incumbent on me to point out edgits that pop on to the internet talking crap with zero proof just a handful of daily mail style horsesh*te.


Belongs in the journal comments section

eviltwin

These arguments were spouted when they started building Avondale, Parnell and the new houses by Wellview. I've lived in the area before those estates were built and if anything it's quieter now. The area in question is an eyesore going to waste, let's use it for housing.

jack presley

The report in the Info doesn't say much apart from 1,200 houses. Is there going to be anything else does anyone know, e.g. schools, shops, playing fields etc? What's the plan for traffic, public transport etc? This is the kind of stuff I'm interested in as opposed to the type of people living there.

Former Former

This is getting emotional and personal for some people.

Look, no one is saying we shouldn't build social housing. No one is saying social housing doesn't work.

What we shouldn't do and what doesn't work is building massive amounts of social houses in one location. If that location is already a deprivation black spot, like Mulhuddart, then it's doubly stupid.

If these plans do materialise and it's a good mix of social, affordable and private houses, then great. The concern is that it would be mostly/all social and that would be an absolute timebomb.

eviltwin

I wouldn't call Mulhuddart a deprevation blackspot.

listermint

Former Former wrote: »

This is getting emotional and personal for some people.

Look, no one is saying we shouldn't build social housing. No one is saying social housing doesn't work.

What we shouldn't do and what doesn't work is building massive amounts of social houses in one location. If that location is already a deprivation black spot, like Mulhuddart, then it's doubly stupid.

If these plans do materialise and it's a good mix of social, affordable and private houses, then great. The concern is that it would be mostly/all social and that would be an absolute timebomb.

Because people in social housing don't work.


Obviously.


It gets personal certainly when people have first hand experience of the subject and it counters everything that is written.

So yeah I suppose I will take offense to nonsense. Because my experience with social housing since the 80s differs.

No one is pretending under resourced areas don't have problems of course they have. But saying people don't work and that it's a free house. Well it's not factual. And does nothing for the debate.

Former Former

listermint wrote: »

Because people in social housing don't work.


Obviously.


It gets personal certainly when people have first hand experience of the subject and it counters everything that is written.

So yeah I suppose I will take offense to nonsense. Because my experience with social housing since the 80s differs.

No one is pretending under resourced areas don't have problems of course they have. But saying people don't work and that it's a free house. Well it's not factual. And does nothing for the debate.

I think you replied to the wrong post??

handlemaster

Former Former wrote: »

This is getting emotional and personal for some people.

Look, no one is saying we shouldn't build social housing. No one is saying social housing doesn't work.

What we shouldn't do and what doesn't work is building massive amounts of social houses in one location. If that location is already a deprivation black spot, like Mulhuddart, then it's doubly stupid.

If these plans do materialise and it's a good mix of social, affordable and private houses, then great. The concern is that it would be mostly/all social and that would be an absolute timebomb.

Correct. No issues with social housing but not for those who think its a generational right for all that come after. I would also say putting all or a majority of social housing together is not good.

Nijmegen

handlemaster wrote: »

Correct. No issues with social housing but not for those who think its a generational right for all that come after. I would also say putting all or a majority of social housing together is not good.

How and ever, to play the other side for a moment, when you propose putting social housing into private estates the people buying the houses there and living nearby tend to go nuts. Nothing will motivate the denizens of some newly built estate to get to know their neighbors quite like organizing an objection to major social housing going in nearby (travelers moving in nearby is another great motivator).

So, while I tend to agree that you can build major trouble spots depending on the makeup of individuals in a particular social housing area (lots of teenagers vs young families, for example; and a lot of issues in the past were caused by who was moved from the city center and put next door to their great enemies from two streets away etc) I think you have an equally difficult time convincing people who've just shelled out 300k for a new house to be accepting of social housing going in.

Indeed, ask an estate agent hawking new builds and one of the major questions they'll be asked will be about plans for same.

Mic 1972

I've been living in Mulhuddart for a few years now, the new development looks huge. I'm honestly worried about the amount of social housing being built in the area at the moment and what this area will become when people start to move in. Roads are few and not wide, 38a is the only bus doing this route. Let alone the social issues that may arise...

B.A._Baracus

So these houses would be for people who are on the social housing list for Fingal?