Ladder and Larson traps

stevep1018

Hi all.i would really appreciate some advice.ive made two ladder traps for grey crows and a couple of Larson traps for magpies.im new to this and although I have bait in the the traps I'm having no luck.one lad said I need to get call birds for traps but how do I go about this.Any tips would help.thanks

solarwinds

Try a homemade nest with a few eggs in it to attract them into the cage.

J.R.

solarwinds wrote: »

Try a homemade nest with a few eggs in it to attract them into the cage.

Put clingfilm under one of the eggs and break it.
Clingfilm stops contents soaking into the soil.

stevep1018

I forgot to mention that I put in homemade nests,made from straw, in the Larson traps,but I didn't break the eggs so I must try this,and then roadkill in the ladder traps.ive positioned the ladder traps under the palm trees and the Grey's are just not interested and the Larson traps are at the back of the cow shed where the magpies always sit but nothing yet.thanks for the replys

solarwinds

Id leave them out in plain view. Have you them out long.

stevep1018

Larson traps out 10 days and ladder traps are out 15 and 8 days.i was thinking when deer season is in that I would throw the guts of a deer into the ladder traps and see how this goes as this is what their used to from September on.i want them to work as I've invested so much time in them

Birdnuts

Probably not the best time of year for trapping as there is plenty of natural food about with the harvest ongoing. You will probably have more success in a few months with colder weather and hungrier times.

Eddie B

Birdnuts wrote: »

Probably not the best time of year for trapping as there is plenty of natural food about with the harvest ongoing. You will probably have more success in a few months with colder weather and hungrier times.

Spot on! Their not hungry enough to bother with the traps. Eggs, nests, roadkill, it won't matter when there's easier pickings to be had. Try your local gun club for a call bird

Mech1

Three mags in my trap tonight, just baited with chips and a broken up wild bird fat ball.

If anyone wants a South Dublin call bird pm me.

Mech1

Mech1 wrote: »

Three mags in my trap tonight, just baited with chips and a broken up wild bird fat ball.

If anyone wants a South Dublin call bird pm me.

Too late now, gone to magpie heaven to create havoc there instead,
But I should be able to supply anytime needed.

stevep1018

Maybe I will just leave it so for another few weeks.im in the gun club and this is the first time putting out traps so nobody else is into it, hence the no call bird situation.helpfull info all the same.

daleshooter

Get some scraps from butcher for ladder trap leave top open for a few days then close with only ladder open should work

stevep1018

daleshooter wrote: »

Get some scraps from butcher for ladder trap leave top open for a few days then close with only ladder open should work

That's a great idea, thanks for that.

On a separate note...
Has anybody ever purchased traps for their club from the NARGC.what are they like and how good are the supplier's to deal with.i need more Larson traps and some mink cages.

daleshooter

stevep1018 wrote: »

That's a great idea, thanks for that.

On a separate note...
Has anybody ever purchased traps for their club from the NARGC.what are they like and how good are the supplier's to deal with.i need more Larson traps and some mink cages.

Where are you based I can make you a few

stevep1018

daleshooter wrote: »

Where are you based I can make you a few

I'm in North tipperary.thanks for the offer but I've been told you can buy traps from the nargc at cost price plus you still get the rebate from them,when bought through the club.they didn't send me the prices yet so we will see.can you make me a call bird:) :)lol

mikeyboo

stevep1018 wrote: »

I'm in North tipperary.thanks for the offer but I've been told you can buy traps from the nargc at cost price plus you still get the rebate from them,when bought through the club.they didn't send me the prices yet so we will see.can you make me a call bird:) :)lol

You have to purchase the traps then your club secretary sends them to Richie Delaney, and u wait to get a subsidy back,original copy of receipt.

stevep1018

mikeyboo wrote: »

You have to purchase the traps then your club secretary sends them to Richie Delaney, and u wait to get a subsidy back,original copy of receipt.

I'm still waiting on the traps.they are coming through the RGC but seem to be a bit slow

mikeyboo

stevep1018 wrote: »

I'm still waiting on the traps.they are coming through the RGC but seem to be a bit slow

They don't give out traps they give the money to the club,its only given out once year so depending when handed in u might not get it until next year.

stevep1018

mikeyboo wrote: »

They don't give out traps they give the money to the club,its only given out once year so depending when handed in u might not get it until next year.

I meant to say a lad from the RGC is getting them for me and with the discount and the rebate.i don't know where he gets them but as long as I get them,with the rebate,I don't care.multiple emails to the nargc regarding traps turned into a waste of time.all I got was empty promises.

stevep1018

Hi all.im having great success with the ladder traps since I last posted.i done what some of ye suggested and it worked very well.im having no luck with the Larson trap so I was wandering if anybody could give me a magpie call bird and I will return a new one when I catch it.we have no shortage of them but they just don't like the traps.badly stuck so all help and suggestions appreciated.i live in North Tipperary but will drive almost anywhere for the bird.thanks

Mech1

stevep1018 wrote: »

Hi all.im having great success with the ladder traps since I last posted.i done what some of ye suggested and it worked very well.im having no luck with the Larson trap so I was wandering if anybody could give me a magpie call bird and I will return a new one when I catch it.we have no shortage of them but they just don't like the traps.badly stuck so all help and suggestions appreciated.i live in North Tipperary but will drive almost anywhere for the bird.thanks

If you are near Knocklyon Dublin 16 im pretty sure i could have one for you by tomorrow night, pm me.

daleshooter

Leave the top of your ladder trap open for a few days when crowed start feeding close it off I find this works best

stevep1018

daleshooter wrote: »

Leave the top of your ladder trap open for a few days when crowed start feeding close it off I find this works best

Ladder traps are going fine for Grey's but it's the Larson we are struggling with

daleshooter

Try a bit of mince or butcher scraps might catch grey or magpie worked for me

stevep1018

daleshooter wrote: »

Try a bit of mince or butcher scraps might catch grey or magpie worked for me

Have tried everything with no success for the magpie.im only at this trapping business a short while and I'm really enjoying it but really need to start catching the magpies.catching the first is the hardest I know

daleshooter

All I can say is bait it and don't go near for 2days when I should have call bird by Sunday will give you a shout if you want to travel to westmeath

stevep1018

Thanks for the help and advice.call birds now acquired

minktrapper

stevep1018 wrote: »

Hi all.i would really appreciate some advice.ive made two ladder traps for grey crows and a couple of Larson traps for magpies.im new to this and although I have bait in the the traps I'm having no luck.one lad said I need to get call birds for traps but how do I go about this.Any tips would help.thanks

What size are your ladder traps for the greys. I am hoping to make one. And what kind of material is it made from.I was hoping to make a small one if it would work. I already have a big one only moving it is not easy.

stevep1018

minktrapper wrote: »

What size are your ladder traps for the greys. I am hoping to make one. And what kind of material is it made from.I was hoping to make a small one if it would work. I already have a big one only moving it is not easy.

Mine are 2.4x1.8x1.8.lxbxh.i have made it in 7 pieces including the ladder.made with 2x2 and 25mm chicken wire.its put together in 5 mins with cable ties and is really easy to move.

daleshooter

Mine are 7ft x5ft x5ft 6high made in sections easy to move and put togeather

minktrapper

Thanks for that. I have one at the moment but not working. I am using a call bird as well. I wonder would a ladder trap be better if the top could be removed and pre bait it for a few days.

stevep1018

minktrapper wrote: »

Thanks for that. I have one at the moment but not working. I am using a call bird as well. I wonder would a ladder trap be better if the top could be removed and pre bait it for a few days.

I used the advice I got here and it worked a treat. Definitely leave it open for a couple of days.

minktrapper

stevep1018 wrote: »

I used the advice I got here and it worked a treat. Definitely leave it open for a couple of days.

That is the problem. I can't open the top. I might have to build a new one with a removable top. What did you bait it with and for how long.

stevep1018

minktrapper wrote: »

That is the problem. I can't open the top. I might have to build a new one with a removable top. What did you bait it with and for how long.

I baited it with the white fatty scraps from the butcher for two days unopened and on the night after closing it I had 7 Grey's in it and the other had 4 and they are working continuously since.

minktrapper

stevep1018 wrote: »

I baited it with the white fatty scraps from the butcher for two days unopened and on the night after closing it I had 7 Grey's in it and the other had 4 and they are working continuously since.

Do you remove the whole top section or just the ladder section. Have you left the top on continuously since.

stevep1018

minktrapper wrote: »

Do you remove the whole top section or just the ladder section. Have you left the top on continuously since.

I take off half of the top.i leave the ladder on so they are used to seeing it.top is on continuously since with great success.i know people say different but keeping it well baited is whats working for me.

minktrapper

stevep1018 wrote: »

I take off half of the top.i leave the ladder on so they are used to seeing it.top is on continuously since with great success.i know people say different but keeping it well baited is whats working for me.

Do you empty it of trapped birds every time you check it.

stevep1018

I leave 3 birds in it at all times.a spare for my other cage and a bird incase anyone is stuck.some prick opened the door in the other cage this morning and let out the 2 that were in it so I at least have a spare for it this evening in my first trap.im only at this a couple of months but it's really enjoyable checking all the traps every other evening

minktrapper

stevep1018 wrote: »

I leave 3 birds in it at all times.a spare for my other cage and a bird incase anyone is stuck.some prick opened the door in the other cage this morning and let out the 2 that were in it so I at least have a spare for it this evening in my first trap.im only at this a couple of months but it's really enjoyable checking all the traps every other evening

I have a bird in my trap and still nothing gets trapped in it.

stevep1018

minktrapper wrote: »

I have a bird in my trap and still nothing gets trapped in it.

What's the space between rungs on ladder.maybe time to move the trap.

minktrapper

stevep1018 wrote: »

What's the space between rungs on ladder.maybe time to move the trap.

6" . I am just after moving it into position. I am just after checking it. A grey crow flew over me. So I think I have been spotted.

daleshooter

minktrapper wrote: »

That is the problem. I can't open the top. I might have to build a new one with a removable top. What did you bait it with and for how long.

No need to build a new one just take wire off top and make 2sections sane size that can be put on or removed

minktrapper

I am starting to get one or two greys now. At long last. Would one be better off with a removable top section so that baiting them every now and then would help to trap more.

minktrapper

Is there a reason why ladder traps are so big. As in overall size. If they were shorter it would be easier to move them.

daleshooter

I make mine in sections easy to assemble put together with cable ties in 5 min 7ftx6ftx5.5ft high

Eddie B

minktrapper wrote: »

Is there a reason why ladder traps are so big. As in overall size. If they were shorter it would be easier to move them.

Well the idea of them is to catch large numbers. The smaller they are, the less will fit in them technically. Also, the high roof will limit escapees.

minktrapper

Eddie B wrote: »

Well the idea of them is to catch large numbers. The smaller they are, the less will fit in them technically. Also, the high roof will limit escapees.

Not so much the height but the length.

stevep1018

Mine are 7x6x6.you would be kept going with the birds in them.over 120 birds caught since I got the advice on here ,which really paid off,a couple of months ago.my buddy has one that is 5x4x4 and he has no success with it.we have a good supply of fat from the butcher and they just can't refuse it.

minktrapper

stevep1018 wrote: »

Mine are 7x6x6.you would be kept going with the birds in them.over 120 birds caught since I got the advice on here ,which really paid off,a couple of months ago.my buddy has one that is 5x4x4 and he has no success with it.we have a good supply of fat from the butcher and they just can't refuse it.

Is it grey crows you are catching?

stevep1018

minktrapper wrote: »

Is it grey crows you are catching?

Yeah all Grey's in the ladder traps and I have the Larson traps for Mr magpie

minktrapper

stevep1018 wrote: »

Yeah all Grey's in the ladder traps and I have the Larson traps for Mr magpie

Did you catch them in a short period or in ones and twos.