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Plagiarism Controversy Thread

  • 07-08-2018 7:07am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,616 ✭✭✭✭


    Seems like some drama blew up overnight - Filip from IGN has been accused of plagiarising a review from Boomstick for his Dead Cells review. Seems pretty blatant too. Did he not think anyone would notice? Apparently IGN have pulled their review so they are taking it seriously...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    I thought it looked familiar when I watched, as I had watched a couple of videos prior to pre-ordering Dead Cells. How can you think you'd get away with something like that in this day and age?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭blockfighter


    Yikes. NVC will be interesting this week. I still haven't completely warmed to him as a presenter. He's very rigid. But getting better slowly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,828 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    one strike and you're out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,616 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Good statement from IGN though. I kind of feel sorry for the guy - I thought he was doing a good job.

    Change of career time too.... it will be hard for him to get another job as a journalist.

    I saw this on the NVC group:

    bjedkxn.jpg?1


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    Mr E wrote: »
    Good statement from IGN though. I kind of feel sorry for the guy - I thought he was doing a good job.

    Change of career time too.... it will be hard for him to get another job as a journalist.

    I saw this on the NVC group:

    bjedkxn.jpg?1


    That other example is absurd. I'd imagine every single review expressed the same in similar (how could it be otherwise?) words.

    My issue isn't Filip's guilt. As regards the Dead Cells review, the proof is pretty blatant. It's the EAGERNESS to destroy a person's career upon a single slip-up. All of us are human. For all we know, it could have been a simple case of Filip leaving it late to get the review done, and in desperation he plagiarised a review from another source to meet his deadline. Absolutely not good. But worthy of him losing his job? I'm sorry but no. It's this horrible attitude to destroy a person when they slip-up that has become an aspect of modern life (ESPECIALLY in the digital sphere) that disgusts me no end. Let he without sin cast the first stone, etc. etc.

    Disgusting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭copperspock


    manual_man wrote: »
    That other example is absurd. I'd imagine every single review expressed the same in similar (how could it be otherwise?) words.

    My issue isn't Filip's guilt. As regards the Dead Cells review, the proof is pretty blatant. It's the EAGERNESS to destroy a person's career upon a single slip-up. All of us are human. For all we know, it could have been a simple case of Filip leaving it late to get the review done, and in desperation he plagiarised a review from another source to meet his deadline. Absolutely not good. But worthy of him losing his job? I'm sorry but no. It's this horrible attitude to destroy a person when they slip-up that has become an aspect of modern life (ESPECIALLY in the digital sphere) that disgusts me no end. Let he without sin cast the first stone, etc. etc.

    Disgusting.

    Absurd? The structure and a lot of the words are identical, just switched around. There are other reviewers who are capable of writing reviews without plagiarising. Once would maybe deserve a slap on the wrist, but twice? Nah, the dude doesn't deserve the job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    Absurd? The structure and a lot of the words are identical, just switched around. There are other reviewers who are capable of writing reviews without plagiarising. Once would maybe deserve a slap on the wrist, but twice? Nah, the dude doesn't deserve the job.

    That second example is a GIANT leap to claim plagiarism. In any case, my point stands. The EAGERNESS to condemn(without possibility for absolution) in society today is fúcking DISGUSTING. None of us are perfect but this horrible vindictiveness prevalent in modern day society is a horrible reflection on a large portion of modern-day society and the utter hate in their hearts. I'll play no part in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,252 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    manual_man wrote: »
    That second example is a GIANT leap to claim plagiarism. In any case, my point stands. The EAGERNESS to condemn(without possibility for absolution) in society today is fúcking DISGUSTING. None of us are perfect but this horrible vindictiveness prevalent in modern day society is a horrible reflection on a large portion of modern-day society and the utter hate in their hearts. I'll play no part in it.

    I don't want to be part of a witch hunt either, I wish I no ill on the man, its laziness, not murder, but the second example of supposed plagiarism really doesn't need a giant leap, or any kind of leap, to see it. It's there.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭blockfighter


    He had to go unfortunately. His credibility is ruined but he doesn't deserve the abuse he's getting online. People make mistakes and he's been punished. That should be the end of it.
    Not sure he was a good fit for the podcast. Would probably have been better to bring him in as a panellist first.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    I don't want to be part of a witch hunt either, I wish I no ill on the man, its laziness, not murder, but the second example of supposed plagiarism really doesn't need a giant leap, or any kind of leap, to see it. It's there.

    I respectfully disagree. It's a point that i imagine was raised in the majority of reviews. There's only so many words or so many ways you can use to express the point in case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭copperspock


    manual_man wrote: »
    That second example is a GIANT leap to claim plagiarism. In any case, my point stands. The EAGERNESS to condemn(without possibility for absolution) in society today is fúcking DISGUSTING. None of us are perfect but this horrible vindictiveness prevalent in modern day society is a horrible reflection on a large portion of modern-day society and the utter hate in their hearts. I'll play no part in it.

    Each sentence matches in content, and a lot of the words are identical. It really isn't a leap.

    The guy stole another person's work and tried to pass it off as his own. Not only did he steal, he also damaged the reputation of the company he represented. He's shown himself to be untrustworthy.
    He's not the victim here, all of this mess is entirely his own fault.
    I wouldn't call it vindictiveness to want such a person to be replaced with someone who is capable of doing the job properly.
    Maybe he'll be able to redeem himself eventually, but he'll need to work very very hard to achieve that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,252 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    manual_man wrote: »
    I respectfully disagree. It's a point that i imagine was raised in the majority of reviews. There's only so many words or so many ways you can use to express the point in case.

    We'll agree to disagree, which seems perfectly reasonable! I do take your point otherwise about a feeding frenzy of people these days waiting to pounce. As I said, he's not a murderer.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    To any people who doubt he's a serial plagiarist, read the rest of the article on Kotaku. No doubt in my mind that it's blatant plagiarism too.
    Here’s an excerpt from a NintendoLife review of Fifa 18 for Switch posted on September 29, 2017:
    However, because it’s not running on the Frostbite engine, FIFA 18 on Switch doesn’t play exactly like the other current-gen versions. The pace is slightly faster and player animations and physics aren’t quite as fluid, lending the game an ever-so-slightly more arcade feel (but not to any major degree).

    And an excerpt from a video review from Miucin posted on October 1, 2017:
    Only this time, it’s running on a custom engine that EA designed specifically for Switch, which means that it doesn’t play exactly like the Xbox One and PS4 editions of the game do. The animations and physics are definitely not as fluid and the pacing feels slightly faster, ultimately leaving the game feeling a little less realistic and slightly more arcadey.

    NintendoLife:
    It actually works well; as long as you aren’t a stickler for intricate animation detail, you’re going to have fun here. It runs smoother than a greased-up jazz musician too, with a full 60 frames per second in both docked and handheld mode making for a silky performance and the general feel that you’re playing a high quality product. Although its (slightly less silky-smooth) cutscenes and other close-up moments reveal that the character models are a good deal less detailed than their Xbox One and PS4 counterparts, squint a bit during normal gameplay and you’d genuinely struggle to tell the difference.

    Miucin:
    But when you’re playing the game, it actually works really well, and it’s easy to look past the graphical setbacks. Because whether you’re playing docked or undocked, the game seems to run at a consistent 60 frames per second, which looks silky smooth and really leaves you feeling like you’re having a true triple-A home console experience but on a console you can take with you on the go. However, when you get up close and get a good look at some of the character models, it’s pretty clear they do have a good amount of less detail than the Xbox One and PS4 versions do, but any imperfections are pretty much unnoticeable during gameplay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,828 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    For all we know he could've been on a warning or probation and this is just what we're hearing about.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,724 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    You wanted a plagiarism thread you got one.

    I'm thinking though now of having a very similar, almost identical thread created, but called "the thread of plagiarism controversy" and fill it with exactly the same content... for humour/meta purposes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭Notorious


    manual_man wrote: »
    I respectfully disagree. It's a point that i imagine was raised in the majority of reviews. There's only so many words or so many ways you can use to express the point in case.

    You do that in the education sector and you’re gone. A lot of colleges wouldn’t give you a second chance either. It’s harsh, but that’s life.

    You’d have to wonder about the firing. IGN Could have wanted to appease the masses by giving the plagiarist the bullet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    You wanted a plagiarism thread you got one.

    I'm thinking though now of having a very similar, almost identical thread created, but called "the thread of plagiarism controversy" and fill it with exactly the same content... for humour/meta purposes.

    Don't be so obvious. Changes the words around. There's built in thesaurus features in Chrome so easy peasy :)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,724 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    chrislad wrote: »
    Don't be so obvious. Changes the words around. There's built in thesaurus features in Chrome so easy peasy :)

    But, what about using the thesaurus tools in Chrome, it's pretty simple. Incorporating word changes too will make it less obvious....

    Ah, I see what you mean...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭McLoughlin


    I struggled watching NVC with Filip when he started he was just so nervous and out of his depth. I haven't watched NVC in a long while mainly I just don't have the time anymore.

    Difficult situation for IGN considering the effort they put into getting him to the company and to be the face of its Nintendo content.

    I like how they are possibly giving ad revenue from Filip's review to the original youtuber though that is a nice touch


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭pasta-solo


    NVC hasn't been the same since Jose Otero left, but I liked Filip. This is a shame, and I feel bad for him but I guess he made his own bed. I don't agree with the vitriol aimed at him on Twitter etc, but that's to be expected these days unfortunately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    I feel bad for the guy. It was a stupid thing to do, but what a horrible outcome, now all of a sudden everyone knows the name Filip Miucin, and his name will be forever associated with plagiarism, that’s his whole career gone up in smoke over one very silly, albeit, serious mistake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭Thar_Cian


    manual_man wrote: »
    My issue isn't Filip's guilt. As regards the Dead Cells review, the proof is pretty blatant. It's the EAGERNESS to destroy a person's career upon a single slip-up. All of us are human. For all we know, it could have been a simple case of Filip leaving it late to get the review done, and in desperation he plagiarised a review from another source to meet his deadline. Absolutely not good. But worthy of him losing his job? I'm sorry but no. It's this horrible attitude to destroy a person when they slip-up that has become an aspect of modern life (ESPECIALLY in the digital sphere) that disgusts me no end. Let he without sin cast the first stone, etc. etc.

    Disgusting.

    I think you're letting your emotions from other issues cloud this incident. Stealing another person's material and publishing it for profit is unacceptable. It's not a small "slip-up" when it's your job to produce the content.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Filip has been doing this for a while. I don't buy the whole 'lost his career over one mistake' thing The difference he's at IGN now so a bigger target for people to genuinely air their grievance too. He also plagiarised Chris Scullion from Nintendolife's FIFA 18 review in his own video review.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,724 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Well, I hope he's happy in his new career Filip-ing burgers!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    pasta-solo wrote:
    NVC hasn't been the same since Jose Otero left, but I liked Filip.

    Fair to say that Jose knew far more about Nintendo than all the guys on the podcast after him, that's why he got a job with Nintendo.
    Filip is gone but other than Peer it's the blind leading the blind on that show.
    Something weird going on at IGN with Marty Sliva going recently and they announced it on a podcast as if he had committed an atrocity that viewers/listeners were unaware of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,828 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Haven't listened to NVC in a while but always like Brian and Peer. Will be interesting to see what happens. People wanting Peer to take over as host don't seem to realise it's part of the job as their Nintendo editor. So when they get a new editor, they'll have a new host.

    May I suggest Arlo?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,616 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Filip's last tweet is his Dead Cells review link - he hasn't taken it down (and the replies to that tweet are not kind).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭McLoughlin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,616 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    I watched the whole thing (and it's terrible that his family are getting abuse on social media - that's just awful), but he lost me about the minute mark when he said it was not intentional.

    I wish him the best though - I liked him on NVC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭blockfighter


    His reviewing method seems flawed. He watches and reads other people's opinions and then makes his own review after that? Instead of coming up with his own individual opinion? Odd.
    But i hope for his sake the abuse stops. He's been sacked. That should be the end of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,351 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    The part where he goes after Kotaku for pointing out that this isn't the first time he's done it is where he ends his career. Such a strange non-apology.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    The part where he goes after Kotaku for pointing out that this isn't the first time he's done it is where he ends his career. Such a strange non-apology.

    I'd nearly half believe him on the FIFA one as those reviews from my time reading them are basically all the same. The Dead Cells one though uses the structure & everything it's a bigger budget remake.
    I think I seen that Jason Schrier wants to interview him & so does Colin Moriarity which is no surprise. He might make a bit of money out of this in the short run, long term tho his future is murky tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,616 ✭✭✭✭Mr E




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭copperspock


    Mr E wrote: »

    So he's a professional scumbag then. I wonder how many more people he stole from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,616 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    He has been ripped to pieces online. Everything he says or does is the equivalent of digging a deeper hole.

    He has since pulled his video from YouTube...

    This is a brilliant breakdown of the whole situation and everything that was wrong with his apology (and yet another youtuber who has gotten a subscription from me out of this).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    It's laughable when one if the worst youtubers out there for pulling shady **** is lecturing others on how to behave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,616 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Who? Yongyea? I'd never heard of him...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    Mr E wrote:
    Who? Yongyea? I'd never heard of him...

    No, think he's on about Filip lecturing Kotaku on their behaviour.
    I like YongYea but it's so blatantly obvious he's reading off a screen it's off putting.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭copperspock


    Mr E wrote: »
    He has been ripped to pieces online. Everything he says or does is the equivalent of digging a deeper hole.

    He has since pulled his video from YouTube...

    This is a brilliant breakdown of the whole situation and everything that was wrong with his apology (and yet another youtuber who has gotten a subscription from me out of this).


    He ticks a lot of the boxes for what is talked about in this vid too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPhjRVji-WM&t=278s


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭blockfighter


    The most recent episode of NVC with Zach as host was the best episode of the show in a long time. Conversation had a better flow, Zach is a lot more relaxed on camera than Filip.
    Not sure who will get the gig full-time but he would be a decent shout.
    It will be interesting to see do they give it to a current employee or bring in a new face again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,358 ✭✭✭seraphimvc


    There is a difference between 'inspired' by other's opinion or blatantly copy pasting other's work and make it yours (without crediting the source at all). He gets paid to do the writing job, not to steal other people's work; naturally he should be fired.

    I am not even talking about the impact to the reputation of the represented company, pride of being a writer/professionalism etc - the whole thing is more to do with basic human decency (i.e. not stealing other people's work). Not even sure how can he tried to play victim or anyone would defend him in some way. This is 2018 like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    His list of plagarism goes on, this may be the worst yet. He copied a post on Neogaf word for word on one of his videos about HD rumble. It really is worth listening to for how blatant and ****ty it is.

    Neogaf post here, post #10: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/how-does-hd-rumble-work.1336582/

    His video here (between 00.30-01.03)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    That’s crazy. I kind of felt sorry for him, but this is really sh1tty from him and it makes his "apology" video look even more damming.
    In his video he actually called people out to find other examples, he said they won’t find any… I don't know why he would say that, because it looks like he's built his career from copying other people’s opinions. It’s bizarre.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,828 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    And more examples coming to light, to the point that ign are pulling all his reviews for a start. Like how in his Bayonetta 2 review he compares it to the Wii U version constantly despite having never had a Wii U.

    *all information is completely from my own research. :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    CastorTroy wrote:
    And more examples coming to light, to the point that ign are pulling all his reviews for a start.

    Nearly at the stage where I wonder how he lasted this long & how the hell IGN even hired him. I get the feeling they looked at Nintendo YouTuber's & picked him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,616 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    I see Lily Zaldivar and Brian Altano both posted personal feelings about the whole situation this morning.
    They were all blindsided by him, that's for sure.


    https://twitter.com/agentbizzle/status/1029605003399331840

    https://twitter.com/CoolCatLilyZ/status/1029614486477398018


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Very interesting thread over on ResetEra one post in particular:

    IGN to scrub Filip Miucin from site almost completely after even more plagiarism surfaces


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I bet he regrets calling out Jason Schrier from Kotaku in his "apology" video now. :pac:

    Filip: "You can keep looking, Kotaku, and please let me know if you find anything,"
    Internet: *cracks knuckles*


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