Oberstown Ice Cream Controversy

savemejebus

http://www.thejournal.ie/oberstown-ice-cream-4155500-Aug2018/?utm_source=twitter_short

I had to double check to make sure i wasn't on Waterford Whispers when I was shown this.

J. Smith

Steve.

freshpopcorn

Do you want to lick my cornetto?

D3V!L

Won't someone please think of the children !!

Hector Bellend

I'd have given them a right good crack on the arse.

Not ice cream.

PlaneSpeeking

Anyone reading that is going to think we're taking the piss.

Referring to a prison for junior scumbags as a "campus" and getting them f**king ice cream as a "treat".

Given it takes some going to actually get behind bars - it's a bit of a piss take to see how cushy it is.

Grayson

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Do you want to lick my cornetto?

Nibble on my flake?

Seriously, it sounds like they have a rocky road ahead.

PlaneSpeeking

D3V!L wrote: »

Won't someone please think of the children !!

Absolutely - let's start with wee Ana Kriegal. Her alleged murderer got BAIL ffs!!!!!

PlaneSpeeking

Grayson wrote: »

Nibble on my flake?

Seriously, it sounds like they have a rocky road ahead.

Ba dum tsssh! :D:D

Grayson

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Absolutely - let's start with wee Ana Kriegal. Her alleged murderer got BAIL ffs!!!!!

That's the word that matters. people are only refused bail if they are at a risk of reoffending or are a flight risk. I assume that kid was deemed to be neither.
Now if you have any information about it, keep it to yourself. It's an ongoing court case involving a minor. Both our posts are breaking rules.

Cienciano

Due to the centre’s Children First policy, any complaints made by the detainees must be fully investigated, regardless of their severity.

Think I found the problem

TheValeyard

Surely the Ice-cream treat should be for those who are behaving themselves?

Not those who are acting up and causing havoc?

Grayson

Cienciano wrote: »

Think I found the problem

They should have that though. These are children and we've had more than enough scandals involving children in care.

Whether or not a kid gets icecream is a separate issue, because I think most people would agree that every single complaint should be fully investigated.

Yer Da sells Avon

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Referring to a prison for junior scumbags as a "campus"

A campus is just a set of buildings belonging to an institution.

topper75

Tax taken from what I earn pays for the prison.

Then the prison takes some of that money and pays it to a PR firm, according to this article.

Presumably the PR firm is needed to deliver a good impression of the prison and its running to me and the others who pay for it.

The kids get their icecream. Regardless of behaviour.

Everyone's a winner here except ...

major bill

Management sound like a bunch of Jobsworths!!!

aaronjumper

Grayson wrote: »

Whether or not a kid gets icecream is a separate issue, because I think most people would agree that every single complaint should be fully investigated.

Time wasting nonsense.
'Send in the investigators, something they didn't like was on telly.'

For alleged abuse and assaults sure. Not getting ice cream or the rest of it? No.

Yer Da sells Avon

Who's the prison governor at Oberstown? Mr Softy?

judeboy101

aaronjumper wrote: »

Grayson wrote: »

Whether or not a kid gets icecream is a separate issue, because I think most people would agree that every single complaint should be fully investigated.

Time wasting nonsense.
'Send in the investigators, something they didn't like was on telly.'

For alleged abuse and assaults sure. Not getting ice cream or the rest of it? No.

Same policy exists in every school and creche. Welcome to ireland, zappone style.

Atlantic Dawn

Can they get Choc Ices or is it cones only?

PlaneSpeeking

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

A campus is just a set of buildings belonging to an institution.

Cheers - :DI've worked in education these last 16 years, it automatically evokes that to me.

I'd still prefer "gulag"!!

aaronjumper

judeboy101 wrote: »

Same policy exists in every school and creche. Welcome to ireland, zappone style.

Lovely.

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Can they get Choc Ices or is it cones only?

Hey they aren't animals, give them a cone for feck sake.

foxy farmer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Fr_Dougal

A good swift kick up the hole is what’s needed.

Yer Da sells Avon

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

A good swift kick up the hole is what’s needed.

An ice cream isn't much to ask for. I mean, some of these kids have been put a wafer a long time.

uck51js9zml2yt

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

An ice cream isn't much to ask for. I mean, some of these kids have been put a wafer a long time.

You were walking on ice(cream) with that one

PlaneSpeeking

I wish I could embed but, this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04clpd7h0b0

Cienciano

Grayson wrote: »

They should have that though. These are children and we've had more than enough scandals involving children in care.

Whether or not a kid gets icecream is a separate issue, because I think most people would agree that every single complaint should be fully investigated.

When the official complaint is "I didn't get icecream" it should be ignored.

Turnipman

Grayson wrote: »

I think most people would agree that every single complaint should be fully investigated.

:eek: Some little lump of crap complains because he is denied a ice cream cone and you genuinely believe that an investigation is required!

You're pulling my leg! Alternatively, you're a grade 1 eejit!

Glebee

"Every Thursday, an ice cream van arrives at the campus in north Dublin and the detainees are brought to receive a treat."

Fcuk me, were doing it all wrong.

Bob Harris

They'll want to be brought out for brunch next.

Sal Butamol

This is why the scumbags are laughing at the rest of us

twowheelsonly

Grayson wrote: »

They should have that though. These are children and we've had more than enough scandals involving children in care.

Whether or not a kid gets icecream is a separate issue, because I think most people would agree that every single complaint should be fully investigated.

Firstly, you obviously haven't met some of these 'children'. It takes a fair bit of effort to get incarcerated when you're 15, 16 or 17. 99% of them have already been down the hug a thug route but to no avail. Some of these 'children' by the way are over 6 feet tall and built like brick swit houses and have been in trouble since the day they were born. Once they manage to reach Oberstown the gloves should be off - they've already been given just about every chance they can get.

Secondly, I'd disagree that every complaint should be investigated. Obviously frivolous and vexatious ones should carry a punishment and whoever receives these complaints should have the power to tell them where to go and to punish them accordingly. As it is all you're doing is handing the power and control to the criminals.. (That's what they are BTW, 'children' or not..)

Sal Butamol

One of these little bastards, and yes he was a bastard child with a deadbeat father, threatened to kill one of my family a few years ago. The scumbag attacked them and tried to strangle them.

At 12 years of age it was clear he was heading straight for prison.

At 16 he was an animal and beyond rehab

At 21 he was jailed for 10 years for attempted murder after shooting at a crowd of people.

All this liberal bull**** has made our justice system a complete ****ing joke

He was a graduate of this jokeshop campus by the way

Turnipman

Sal Butamol wrote: »

One of these little bastards, and yes he was a bastard child with a deadbeat father, threatened to kill one of my family a few years ago. The scumbag attacked them and tried to strangle them.

At 12 years of age it was clear he was heading straight for prison.

At 16 he was an animal and beyond rehab

At 18 he was jailed for 10 years for attempted murder after shooting at a crowd of people.

All this liberal bull**** has made our justice system a complete ****ing joke

All very unfortunate, but the most important thing (for some) is what flavour of ice cream does he prefer?

brevity

Someone should drive past the building every day playing the ice-cream van tune through a loudspeaker

BorneTobyWilde

Kid should sue, for hundreds and thousands

blinding

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Who's the prison governor at Oberstown? Mr Softy?

No good for hard cases !

Gunmonkey

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Kid should sue, for hundreds and thousands

Exactly, given the nature of a lot of our legal profession nowadays it would be a Feast.

Rhyme

Sounds like the staff know what's needed but the management are very much softly-softly with these kids. From family involvement in Oberstown, whoever goes there comes out worse thanks to the policies from high up.

Go in for assault, you come out and commit murder.
Go in for marijuana, you come out addicted to heroin.

etc.

beertons

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Who's the prison governor at Oberstown? Mr Softy?

He's gone. Mr Whippy is there now. Alas, not doing a whole lot of whipping.

blinding

Some time in the Cooler might be more effective !

Harry Palmr

It's political correctness gone mad.

tayto lover

This place should be run like an American boot camp. A job for our tough army lads.

seagull

The facilities there are apparently significantly better than most schools. Someone was saying some of the private schools would be envious.

Squatter

seagull wrote: »

The facilities there are apparently significantly better than most schools. Someone was saying some of the private schools would be envious.

The pendulum has swung a very long way from what used to happen in places like Letterfrack, Dangean and Artane. Which is right and proper; but the contemporary way of handling nasty little criminals seems to place a far greater emphasis on individual rights rather than on their responsibility to respect the conventions of the society in which they wish to live.

tayto lover

The problem here originated when upper management tried to bully those working at the coal face. If there are no sanctions for these young people then they will never change.

Feisar

Bob Harris wrote: »

They'll want to be brought out for brunch next.

And a feast after that.

blanch152

Grayson wrote: »

They should have that though. These are children and we've had more than enough scandals involving children in care.

Whether or not a kid gets icecream is a separate issue, because I think most people would agree that every single complaint should be fully investigated.

Are they in care or in detention?

Should there be a difference between the two?

It seems that some believe that those in care because of neglect or other reasons and those in detention for serious crimes should be treated the same. Something wrong about that.

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

Are they in care or in detention?

Should there be a difference between the two?

It seems that some believe that those in care because of neglect or other reasons and those in detention for serious crimes should be treated the same. Something wrong about that.

The problem is how do you distinguish between those who have committed crimes or acted out because of some conductive disorder or mental health issue that may or may not be treatable, verse someone who committed crimes or acted out for no apparent reason except they perceive themselves to be exempt for the norms of society.

Even though it irritates people background has to be considered coming from a home that consists of people drinking cans and smoking weed every day, dogs wrecking the palace, noise, chaos, and dirt is not conducive to becoming a productive member of society, it's not an excuse though.

blanch152

mariaalice wrote: »

The problem is how do you distinguish between those who have committed crimes or acted out because of some conductive disorder or mental health issue that may or may not be treatable, verse someone who committed crimes or acted out for no apparent reason except they perceive themselves to be exempt for the norms of society.

Even though it irritates people background has to be considered coming from a home that consists of people drinking cans and smoking weed every day, dogs wrecking the palace, noise, chaos, and dirt is not conducive to becoming a productive member of society, it's not an excuse though.

Again, no distinction appears to be made in Oberstown between any of those categories. In fact, the residents seem to be treated much better than other kids in care for non-criminal reasons.