'Must haves' for a 2015 i3

rocky

I test drove an 2017 i3 and now I want to get one. Given that I'll have to trade in my old car (brake issue that's expensive to fix so wouldn't want to sell it privately), and probably taking a bit of finance, I'll try and buy in Ireland aiming for 18-20k euro for a 2015.

We'll only be doing 6k km in it a year, so no Rex needed.
Are there any must haves (probably for future resale)?

The only one I think I'd like is the widescreen (have it in my old 5 series and would feel lower rent without it).

What other options are good? Is it true not all of them come with DC rapid charging, and how can you tell?

Would prefer a dark color (black or grey) but not too fussed on looks (hence looking at an i3 )

- leds/xenons?
- presume they all come with cruise control and at least parking sensors, if not rear camera?
- interior leather is the highest spec, I probably would be ok with any of the (half-)cloth options
- prefer to NOT have comfort access (if it was even an option back then).

Anything else?

Thanks.

Gumbo

My order of preference would be :

Fast charging prep
LED/Xenon
Leather

After that, wheels and trim colour. Wheels can be swapped later so this wouldn't bother me too much. I'd pick the car with the larger screen over the car with the larger wheels as the wheels can be fitted easily later.

LED/Xenons make the world of difference in my opinion too.

ELM327

kceire wrote: »

My order of preference would be :

Fast charging prep
LED/Xenon
Leather

After that, wheels and trim colour. Wheels can be swapped later so this wouldn't bother me too much. I'd pick the car with the larger screen over the car with the larger wheels as the wheels can be fitted easily later.

LED/Xenons make the world of difference in my opinion too.

Making sure to read the listing carefully, as some shnakey dealers are listing cars as "AC fast charging prep" for non DC equipped models.

Gumbo

ELM327 wrote: »

Making sure to read the listing carefully, as some shnakey dealers are listing cars as "AC fast charging prep" for non DC equipped models.

+1
Physically check for the fast charging port. Don’t take the dealers word on it.

unkel

You'd have thought non DC cars would be worth relatively very little by now. I guess they suit as the second family car used for school runs and commuting and only ever charged at home?

liamog

kceire wrote: »

+1
Physically check for the fast charging port. Don’t take the dealers word on it.

Fast charging would officially be 32A capable (7.2kW) instead of 16A. Personally I'd make sure it had a rapid charging port.

I always thought that was one of the stupider naming schema, slow, fast, and rapid.

jhegarty

Make sure the plug looks like this :



Also I would get the backup camera and the better sat-nav.

Mine has self park , but I have only used it a few times. So wouldn't spend anything on that.

Patser

Mine has a sunroof, it's cool and adds even more feeling of space and light.

I'd also recommend reverse camera, sensor is good but I still like having a view.

I've used park assist twice - both to show off what it can do - so worthless

Ah yes, it was the test drive that sold it for me, the back roads are a lot of fun in the i3 !

I also have the park assist, only used it a few times, not bothered with it, too slow but I can see the value for those who find parking difficult, it works well.

Widescreen would be my preference, Leather and LED lights,they look so much better than yellow halogen, i3 has no Xenon or gas discharge lamps.

Not really bothered with the reverse camera either, parking sensors do me fine.

The lane keep assist or whatever BMW call it would be convenient.

I find the Idrive to be far superior to touchscreen , in the 2017 , Iphone integration works very well with the BMW connected App, controlling spotify or Tune in radio is really easy. It has a 20 GB hard drive which is handy for storing some tunes. Not sure if this works in pre 2017 i3s.

Lack of DC port on some cars was fine if it was a Rex but essential for a BEV.

The Harman Kardon stereo is really good, could do with a bit more Bass but it's quite clear sounding Audio and it goes very loud without distortion. It's leaps and bounds better than the Bose int he Leaf though.

You can really trash the i3 about, turn off traction when you're familiar with it, it's a hell of a lot of fun !

rocky

Thanks everybody! very helpful

jhegarty wrote: »

Make sure the plug looks like this :


Also I would get the backup camera and the better sat-nav.

Mine has self park , but I have only used it a few times. So wouldn't spend anything on that.

Am I correct that for non-DC enabled i3s, they only have the round connector, without the bottom 2? There seem to be so many region-specific connectors when I google that I can never be sure which applies.

Patser wrote: »

Mine has a sunroof, it's cool and adds even more feeling of space and light.

I'd also recommend reverse camera, sensor is good but I still like having a view.

I've used park assist twice - both to show off what it can do - so worthless

I've a sunroof in the 05 5 series - only used when trying to distract the 1 year old...
Even more feeling of space?? you're practically outside then :pac:

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah yes, it was the test drive that sold it for me, the back roads are a lot of fun in the i3 !

I also have the park assist, only used it a few times, not bothered with it, too slow but I can see the value for those who find parking difficult, it works well.

Widescreen would be my preference, Leather and LED lights,they look so much better than yellow halogen, i3 has no Xenon or gas discharge lamps.

Not really bothered with the reverse camera either, parking sensors do me fine.

The lane keep assist or whatever BMW call it would be convenient.

I find the Idrive to be far superior to touchscreen , in the 2017 , Iphone integration works very well with the BMW connected App, controlling spotify or Tune in radio is really easy. It has a 20 GB hard drive which is handy for storing some tunes. Not sure if this works in pre 2017 i3s.

Lack of DC port on some cars was fine if it was a Rex but essential for a BEV.

The Harman Kardon stereo is really good, could do with a bit more Bass but it's quite clear sounding Audio and it goes very loud without distortion. It's leaps and bounds better than the Bose int he Leaf though.

You can really trash the i3 about, turn off traction when you're familiar with it, it's a hell of a lot of fun !

unkel wrote: »

You'd have thought non DC cars would be worth relatively very little by now. I guess they suit as the second family car used for school runs and commuting and only ever charged at home?

I would probably get a non-DC car if available for a nice discount, since I'll only be charging at home.

After sitting in a (petrol) Kona, 2018 Zoe and L40 Leaf (with knees hitting the steering column), the i3 felt like (Chris Harris voice) a whole new thing.

Raised driving position, airy, quality interior (is that carbon fiber that's visible on the doors?), but what impressed me most? the reach adjustment of the steering, amazing

Don't get me wrong, it didn't feel as fast as the 05 530i (258bhp?), probably the lack of noise didn't help there. Still as a runabout city car it's great.

Now I'm trying to justify an extra 10k for a 2017 (was there a facelift since 2015?), the 5 series costs about 5k a year including everything tax/petrol/insurance etc, so in 2 years I'd have the bigger battery, nicer car practically for... free? Even though I also want to keep that as a long(er) distance car... Man maths...

80sDiesel

If you are looking at 2017 , then you would be crazy not to look at an '18 with the larger battery and slight refresh.

And then. Well. You have the option of the 'S'.  And now you are talking! 

( My fav is '18 i3s with plus package , leather, driving assist plus and sunroof. Oh, and in Imperial Blue please. I dont ask for much ! )

Shefwedfan

If I was buying a i3 I would have the following "must have's" on my list

5 seats
back doors
back windows that open
Proper tires
VW badge

Anything after that is minor
:P:P:P

rocky

I thought 2017 had 33kWh battery same as existing 2018s, there's plans for 44kWh but not here yet? Wasn't the facelift before 2017?

Wasn't aware of the imperial blue, looks great and different.

80sDiesel

rocky wrote: »

I thought 2017 had 33kWh battery same as existing 2018s, there's plans for  44kWh but not here yet? Wasn't the facelift before 2017?

Wasn't aware of the imperial blue, looks great and different.

Sorry yes, 2017 had the bigger battery. The facelift with the horizontal LEDs came in late 2017/early 2018 i think.

80sDiesel

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If I was buying a i3 I would have the following "must have's" on my list

5 seats
back doors
back windows that open
Proper tires
VW badge

Anything after that is minor
:P:P:P

VW are knocking on your door to see if you have one to sell ?

80sDiesel

80sDiesel wrote: »

Sorry yes, 2017 had the bigger battery. The facelift with the horizontal LEDs came in late 2017/early 2018 i think.

rocky wrote: »

I thought 2017 had 33kWh battery same as existing 2018s, there's plans for 44kWh but not here yet? Wasn't the facelift before 2017?

Wasn't aware of the imperial blue, looks great and different.

rocky wrote: »

Am I correct that for non-DC enabled i3s, they only have the round connector, without the bottom 2? There seem to be so many region-specific connectors when I google that I can never be sure which applies.

I would probably get a non-DC car if available for a nice discount, since I'll only be charging at home.

Yes, the bottom part of the charge port is missing on AC only charging i3's.

The 94 Ah updated battery was available in late 2017 but there were a good few older 64 Ah still around until stocks dried up, make sure the dealer writes down that you're buying the 94 ah, a main dealer should be ok but you never know with a non main BMW dealer.

I guarantee getting a non DC charging i3 would be a big mistake, you might not realise it now, there'll be the time and day when you need to go somewhere and you simply can't do not limit yourself so drastically , there was a reason the Renault Fluence was a complete failure, because it had no DC charging.

Your i3 with AC only charging would be pretty much worthless or rather, far less desirable.

If however you can find a Rex without DC at a good price then I'd say go ahead.

rocky wrote: »

After sitting in a (petrol) Kona, 2018 Zoe and L40 Leaf (with knees hitting the steering column), the i3 felt like (Chris Harris voice) a whole new thing.

Raised driving position, airy, quality interior (is that carbon fiber that's visible on the doors?), but what impressed me most? the reach adjustment of the steering, amazing

Yeah the i3 is very spacious, even when I get into the my Partners Outlander it feels far less spacious up front due to being on top of the windscreen more, the i3 is a lot wider though obviously but the i3 definitely feels very roomy. BMW took advantage of not having an engine up front.

rocky wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, it didn't feel as fast as the 05 530i (258bhp?), probably the lack of noise didn't help there. Still as a runabout city car it's great.

You hardly expect a car with 170 Hp to be as fast as a car with 258 ? power is power , it's how it's used is another matter.

I3 is a lot of fun, power to weight is good, suspension is good, power delivery is good being RWD grip is a lot better than FEW electrics and it's small so it handles like a go kart the S is supposed to be even better again and it has more punch over 100 Km/h.

Instant electric power is just so much better in my opinion , unless you want to drive at 160 + Km/h on the motorway then the i3 is plenty fast. HP alone doesn't tell the whole story. Over taking for instance on back roads is really easy due to the i3 having significant punch from 50-60 Km/h and it all being instant.

rocky wrote: »

Now I'm trying to justify an extra 10k for a 2017 (was there a facelift since 2015?), the 5 series costs about 5k a year including everything tax/petrol/insurance etc, so in 2 years I'd have the bigger battery, nicer car practically for... free? Even though I also want to keep that as a long(er) distance car... Man maths...

I'm not sure if there were many 2017s with larger 94 ( 33 Kwh ) battery without DC, again, whatever you get DC will be absolutely essential.

Think of it this way, DC isn't for those doing big mileage, DC is for charging quickly when you need it and I have the Rex because the charger situation is a bit of a disaster but it's better to have it than want it and I also have the Rex because I got a very good deal on it.

The 33 Kwh has 11 Kw 3 phase AC charger but BMW do not provide a 3 phase charging lead and if you want it will have to purchase it separately.

Basically, the 3 phase charge lead when plugged into a public 22 KW AC point will take the 33 Kwh from 11% to 95% in 2hrs 20 mins.

AC is definitely very convenient when charging at 11 Kw, if you go on a longer trip and find an AC point and can leave it plugged in for 2-3 Hrs it will be fully charged when you get back and no need to then find and wait at a fast charger.

Patser

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If I was buying a i3 I would have the following "must have's" on my list

5 seats
back doors
back windows that open
Proper tires
VW badge

Anything after that is minor
:P:P:P

It'll probably still have emissions only VW won't tell you about it.

rocky

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If I was buying a i3 I would have the following "must have's" on my list

5 seats
back doors
back windows that open
Proper tires
VW badge

Anything after that is minor
:P:P:P

Your VW is missing one ingredient: RWD :p:p

ELM327

Patser wrote: »

It'll probably still have emissions only VW won't tell you about it.

Now now, that's the fault of the manufacturer of the ECU, not vw!

80sDiesel

Deleted User wrote: »

The 33 Kwh has 11 Kw 3 phase AC charger but BMW do not provide a 3 phase charging lead and if you want it will have to purchase it separately.

Basically, the 3 phase charge lead when plugged into a public 22 KW AC point will take the 33 Kwh from 11% to 95% in 2hrs 20 mins.

AC is definitely very convenient when charging at 11 Kw, if you go on a longer trip and find an AC point and can leave it plugged in for 2-3 Hrs it will be fully charged when you get back and no need to then find and wait at a fast charger.

Good info there. Never understood that 3 phase stuff. Are the majority of non fast chargers 3 way chargers ? Looking at the map of chargers i see alot of Type-2 AC Socket 22Kw. Can that handle a 3 phase ?

Shefwedfan

Patser wrote: »

It'll probably still have emissions only VW won't tell you about it.

Sssshhhhhhhh dont say it out loud but some other manufacturers might be dodgy as well


http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/100219/bmw-hq-raided-in-diesel-emissions-cheating-probe


https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-bmw-and-daimler-diesel-monkey-tests-brands-have-blood-their-hands

ELM327

80sDiesel wrote: »

Good info there. Never understood that 3 phase stuff. Are the majority of non fast chargers 3 way chargers ? Looking at the map of chargers i see alot of Type-2 AC Socket 22Kw. Can that handle a 3 phase ?

Type2 22kW is 3 phase, the vast majority (but not all) of the ecars SCP are 3 phase. Some are 7kW single phase (even some of the ones labelled 22kW)

rocky

Good points Mad_Lad, if I get the ReX we'll probably not use the E60 much... wife won't miss the tax anyway

Deleted User wrote: »

You hardly expect a car with 170 Hp to be as fast as a car with 258 ? power is power , it's how it's used is another matter.

I3 is a lot of fun, power to weight is good, suspension is good, power delivery is good being RWD grip is a lot better than FEW electrics and it's small so it handles like a go kart the S is supposed to be even better again and it has more punch over 100 Km/h.

Instant electric power is just so much better in my opinion , unless you want to drive at 160 + Km/h on the motorway then the i3 is plenty fast. HP alone doesn't tell the whole story. Over taking for instance on back roads is really easy due to the i3 having significant punch from 50-60 Km/h and it all being instant.

Going by reviews online, I expected a 2017 i3 (with its instant torque 'from 0 rpm') to be at least equivalent to a 13 year old petrol (with more nominal power at a given rpm... [wouldn't be surprised if the 530i has 170hp or less for a lot of its rev range]. And maybe in cold numbers it is, it just didn't feel it.

Don't get me wrong, I was impressed with the i3 as a package and that's why I'm looking to get one.

rocky

How about these ?

https://www.colmquinnbmwgalway.ie/used-cars/BMW/i3/94Ah-with/201805296972855/

https://www.colmquinnbmwgalway.ie/used-cars/BMW/i3/94Ah-with/201806307997238/

Gumbo

Forgive my ignorance, but is there a simple conversion for BMW's AH battery size back to kwh?

rocky

Never heard of these guys but they have a few i3s in stock national-electric-vehicle-centre-nevc in Kiltimagh

https://www.donedeal.ie/dealer/national-electric-vehicle-centre-nevc-

ELM327

kceire wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance, but is there a simple conversion for BMW's AH battery size back to kwh?

Not without knowing the nominal voltage it would seem.
I didnt see anything on BMW website officially, a quick google brings several conversions but again nothing specific
https://everydaycalculation.com/ah-kilowatt-hour.php

rocky

kceire wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance, but is there a simple conversion for BMW's AH battery size back to kwh?

My understanding is:
64 Ah - 22 kWh
94 Ah - 33 kWh

rocky

rocky wrote: »

Good points Mad_Lad, if I get the ReX we'll probably not use the E60 much... wife won't miss the tax anyway



Going by reviews online, I expected a 2017 i3 (with its instant torque 'from 0 rpm') to be at least equivalent to a 13 year old petrol (with more nominal power at a given rpm... [wouldn't be surprised if the 530i has 170hp or less for a lot of its rev range]. And maybe in cold numbers it is, it just didn't feel it.

Don't get me wrong, I was impressed with the i3 as a package and that's why I'm looking to get one.

You don’t drive nearly as many kms a year as we do but you’ll be surprised how much you will drive it at the same time so I’m not saying a Rex is definitely for you but if the right spec comes along and it happens to be a Rex then you’d be mad not to get it. It only requires servic once every 2 years regardless of Kms.

The I3 feels very quick and as I said it has a lot of grip compared to FWD ev which can make a big difference pulling out of junctions hard.

With any car you can Utalise the HP or Kw available for faster acceleration or higher top speed and since electrics are limited top speed there’s no real need for much more power unless you want faster acceleration or the car is particularly heavy.

Anyway the Rex is dead handy when chargers are in use or blocked but I feel without Rex and no fast charge port that it would be a big mistake while you would come to regret.

It would be interesting too see what you could get a 2nd hand I3 S or would you hold off for the 44 Kwh ?

rocky

I want to buy in the next few weeks, so 44kWh is out... I'm not against the idea of the ReX totally, although 170 tax vs. 120... hmmm

What about these local to me:
I'm trying to get an extended test drive

rocky wrote: »

How about these ?

https://www.colmquinnbmwgalway.ie/used-cars/BMW/i3/94Ah-with/201805296972855/

https://www.colmquinnbmwgalway.ie/used-cars/BMW/i3/94Ah-with/201806307997238/

80sDiesel

Honey, the good news is that i saved us 50 bucks on annual car tax. The bad news is that i just bought an expensive carbon fibre car.

rocky

Or this in Beshoffs, BEV, leather, no camera (?) https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/i3/used-2017-171-bmw-i3-fully-electric-9-dublin-fpa-310315275406809

Asked for pictures.

rocky

80sDiesel wrote: »

Honey, the good news is that i saved us 50 bucks on annual car tax. The bad news is that i just bought an expensive carbon fibre car.

That's the joke

80sDiesel

rocky wrote: »

80sDiesel wrote: »

Honey, the good news is that i saved us 50 bucks on annual car tax. The bad news is that i just bought an expensive carbon fibre car.

That's the joke

Nice one!
Funny thing about the i3 is that i actually dislike the look of the i3 but adore the i3S. Which is weird as the difference is subtle ( lower,wider stance ).

rocky

80sDiesel wrote: »

Nice one!
Funny thing about the i3 is that i actually dislike the look of the i3 but adore the i3S. Which is weird as the difference is subtle ( lower,wider stance ).

The i3S is an extra 10k at least, at that money may as well go new.

And to think I started looking at a 2015 18k i3...

rocky

rocky wrote: »

I want to buy in the next few weeks, so 44kWh is out... I'm not against the idea of the ReX totally, although 170 tax vs. 120... hmmm

What about these local to me:
I'm trying to get an extended test drive

I'd probably go for the black and white one with the Harman Kardon stereo. It plays FLAC too which is cool !

Bit is it worth more money to you ?

No leather but you can live without it, for me having leather seats with two small Children is a Godsend.

I think the most important things are in those two cars either way.

Just one thing, there's a lot of confusion the way BMW worded the Cruise with "brake" function, a lot of people thought it was some kind of auto Cruise that braked if the car in front brakes but it doesn't, the brake function simply keeps the speed you set it too and will slow the car down if it senses speed increasing going down a hill for instance.

rocky

rocky wrote: »

The i3S is an extra 10k at least, at that money may as well go new.

And to think I started looking at a 2015 18k i3...

No, it's about 5 K more ? nearly positive. It does come with more kit too.

liamog

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just one thing, there's a lot of confusion the way BMW worded the Cruise with "brake" function, a lot of people thought it was some kind of auto Cruise that braked if the car in front brakes but it doesn't, the brake function simply keeps the speed you set it too and will slow the car down if it senses speed increasing going down a hill for instance.

I thought that was a bare minimum for cruise control, it holds the speed, more power going uphill and reduces it going down.

liamog

liamog wrote: »

I thought that was a bare minimum for cruise control, it holds the speed, more power going uphill and reduces it going down.

Yes, It's normal cruise , not the cruise that brakes of the car in front brakes.

rocky

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd probably go for the black and white one with the Harman Kardon stereo. It plays FLAC too which is cool !

Bit is it worth more money to you ?

No leather but you can live without it, for me having leather seats with two small Children is a Godsend.

I think the most important things are in those two cars either way.

Just one thing, there's a lot of confusion the way BMW worded the Cruise with "brake" function, a lot of people thought it was some kind of auto Cruise that braked if the car in front brakes but it doesn't, the brake function simply keeps the speed you set it too and will slow the car down if it senses speed increasing going down a hill for instance.

I got all that, they even have a video explaining it on their website... speaking of which is their i3 configurator buggy as hell? can't change exterior colour, or a number of other things, tried a few browsers.

Deleted User wrote: »

No, it's about 5 K more ? nearly positive. It does come with more kit too.

I was more referring to the fact the i3S is newer, so more expensive, but haven't checked exact numbers.

I'm also in two minds whether to get the rex or not, is it worth an extra 6k to me (difference in asking price ) to the one in Beshoffs? which has leather, probably not reversing camera (or Harman Kardon? not sure, waiting for the VIN).

Edit: the rex will of course be worth more on resale, but still...

rocky

While leather is nice and feels a bit more 'upmarket' (and I like the 13 year old nappa I currently have), I'd get used to a great overall interior no problem.

So main question remaining is rex or no rex....

80sDiesel

rocky wrote: »

While leather is nice and feels a bit more 'upmarket' (and I like the 13 year old nappa I currently have), I'd  get used to a great overall interior no problem.

So main question remaining is rex or no rex....

The car is not really usable long term without a rex. Battery is too small. It will always be a compromise.

jhegarty

liamog wrote: »

I thought that was a bare minimum for cruise control, it holds the speed, more power going uphill and reduces it going down.

Older cruise control will speed up if you are under speed but not break if you are over. So if you are driving your E60 5 series 60mph on a steep downhill and your cruise control is set 50mph it won't slow down.

With breaking cruise control is will apply the break (or regen on an i3) to slowdown the car to the desired speed.

rocky

80sDiesel wrote: »

The car is not really usable long term without a rex. Battery is too small. It will always be a compromise.

It kinda is for my mileage. Is 150km range from a 33kWh feasible? All/most city driving. Would need charging once a week, if so.

jhegarty

rocky wrote: »

It kinda is for my mileage. Is 150km range from a 33kWh feasible? All/most city driving. Would need charging once a week, if so.

In summer no problem at all. In winter you will need to watch your driving.

rocky

jhegarty wrote: »

In summer not problem at all. In winter you will need to watch your driving.

Fine, I'll charge every 6 days in winter

Maybe you misunderstood, I,m doing 6k km a year, not 150 km a day

mordeith

I'm also in two minds whether to get the rex or not, is it worth an extra 6k to me (difference in asking price ) to the one in Beshoffs? which has leather, probably not reversing camera (or Harman Kardon? not sure, waiting for the VIN).

Edit: the rex will of course be worth more on resale, but still...

I got a 162 with Rex (60ah). Leather upholstery. No reversing camera but I never really used the one in Leaf anyway, prefer the parking sensors.
Harmon Kardon speakers are great. As Mad Lad said a bit lacking in bass but as a result no distortion at high volumes.
Widescreen info unit which is really easy to operate with the control wheel and well placed control buttons. No need to look down to see what you're doing.

No idea what kind of lights are on it . Must check that.

Rex is a brilliant addition. Went to Glengarriff the other day (approx 130km for our place). Made in on the battery alone. Charged for about an hour and a half and got close to 50% range back in that time (SCP). Car came with a 32amp cable. Rex kicked in at Cork and it was great not to have to worry about stopping at an FCP. Rex is also handy if you forget to charge at home before setting out.

rocky

Sounds like the best (and cheaper) compromise, a 22kWh rex.
(for my usage)

mordeith

rocky wrote: »

Sounds like the best (and cheaper) compromise, a 22kWh rex.
(for my usage)

I think so. Usual usage for me is a 70km round trip commute. Only used the Rex about three times in the space of around four months. Not a necessary addition but a handy option at the same time.

80sDiesel

rocky wrote: »

Sounds like the best (and cheaper) compromise, a 22kWh rex.
(for my usage)

Agree. Except dont get an earlier rex model. They had issues with moisure ingress.

rocky

rocky wrote: »

Sounds like the best (and cheaper) compromise, a 22kWh rex.
(for my usage)

Absolutely, I was just about to suggest that. The battery will meet most of your needs. And you use the Rex for the times you need to go on longer trips and I guarantee it's only then you'll realise the benefits of having the Rex especially with the smaller battery.

Next time around you can get the 44 Kwh without the Rex and hopefully the charger situation will have greatly improved.

Yep, 22 Kwh Rex and save a tonne of cash, not a bad idea at all !