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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker **Spoilers from post 2076**
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A little off topic but does anyone else think Richard E Grant would have made a perfect Admiral Thrawn? I think he could have pulled it off. Also kind've sad that there have been no Chiss in any of the Star Wars movies yet. I think they're the only race not to be featured in the movies.
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So, thoughts on this thing in no particular bullet point order, many of which have already been gone over in the thread I'm sure. Spoilers in here, and if you're of a nervous disposition, look away now. :pac:
- The Emperor's return is just awful. Not only is there no build up whatsoever, there's no real explanation provided just how this has happened. In fact, one of Dominic Monaghan's awful lines is "Somehow, the Emperor has returned...". We know he's had to return, of course, so I'll not rehash those criticisms here. But, even so it's handling is chronic. The audience is blown off with "It was me all along...(evil laugh)" and the fact that he has ten thousand (now planet killing) Star Destroyers (presumably crewed) is just laughable. We're also told that he's broadcast his return and that there's just 16 hours before kick off. Why?
- The Emperor offers Kylo Ren this magic fleet. But why? He already has a massive fleet and the First Order "reigns" over the galaxy, according to 'The Last Jedi'.
- Hux as a spy in the First Order, who's only motivation is to get one up on Kylo, is like a 6 year old's reasoning. But Domhnall Gleeson doesn't get much else to do here, except say his silly lines and cash his cheque.
- Much of the film's first half is a series of insipid computer game fetch quests, first with Kylo in a confusing opening sequence and then with Rey and Co. flying hither and thither to get something that will either lead to another bit of plot stuff or another piece of expository dialogue to try and explain to the bedazzled audience what the hell is going on.
- There are not one, but two fake out deaths. One involving Chewie and another (not quite physical death) involving C3PO. Chewie gets blown up in a transporter due to Rey and Kylo in a Force fight...ah no, he doesn't. Fooled ya! C3PO gets his memory wiped and a set of red eyes...ah no, he doesn't. Fooled ya! Just terrible. Actually, there's three, if we count Kylo's first death. :pac:
- The Death Star somehow didn't get completely obliterated, as we saw in 'Return of the Jedi', but instead had enough pieces remain intact to land on Not-Endor. These pieces include a semi intact Imperial Throne Room and is the location of another macguffin that has to be found. All of this was completely unnecessary. The Death Star never needed to be a location in this movie and to have it so looks ridiculous.
- Rey and Kylo's fight on the Death Star's remains ends with Leia, another Skywalker, dying from too much Force, doubling down on that stupid idea from 'The Last Jedi'. Not only that, it exercises an new absurd Force ability that can see Rey heal people of mortal wounds, adding yet another get-out-of-jail card to the stack.
- In a wretched attempt to pull at the heart strings, Harrison Ford's contract obligations are invoked and he has to return one last time to the franchise he's hated since 1977 as, I don't know, a figment of Kylo Ren's imagination? This is to tell him that it's never too late to change. Even after you were complicit in the murder of trillions. Kylo, of course, thinks this is a good idea now and reverts to Ben Solo and sure it's all grand.
- The Knights of Ren show up and are promptly dispatched.
- He, somehow, makes it back over to Rey to help her kill Palpatine in a situation that puts the final nail in Luke Skywalker's coffin.
- Reylo kiss, to appease the absolute worst section of any type of fandom...shippers. This is just ugh on so many levels. She likes a patricidal, psychopathic, mass murderer. I guess girls just love a bad boy. But she is too late, poor old Benny dies and we're all supposed to feel bad...somehow <- this is the word of the film.
- Lando's return feels like a real dud, when it should have been great. But like all of the returns of the old crew, it just lands with a damp splat.
- The final battle of the film, which is also the final battle of the, so called, "Skywalker Saga" is an immensely insignificant event that finalises the whole thing on a impotent whimper. Not only that, but Lando somehow manages to amass his own incredible fleet and in just a couple of hours too!
- Rey's lineage is resolved in the worst way possible. She's Rey Palpatine. Someone thought that sleeping with a middle aged Palpatine somewhere between 'Revenge of the Sith' and 'Star Wars' was a good idea and eventually it produced Rey. Thanks for that Disney.
I can only echo the over all conclusions that most people have and repeat that 'The Rise of Skywalker' is an absolute mess of a film. But, not only that, it's a mess that does nothing at all to benefit the Star Wars story in any way, because it just negates much of 'The Last Jedi', which did enough already to negate much of 'The Force Awakens'. This has been the central tragedy of these sequel films, because there is zero throughput throughout the three movies. Nothing makes a lick of sense, because the film makers are at odds with one another and trying to "fix" what came before, which has proven to be completely detrimental to the whole trilogy and the entire series.
'The Rise of Skywalker' is really just a series of flashy plot points that are interspersed with silly exposition. Visually, it races along at a thousand miles and hour, never letting the audience stop and realise how nonsensical it all is. It must do that, because the facade falls apart like a house of cards if you do stop and think on it for even a moment. So in that respect, it remains faithful the trilogy in many ways, which were not so much films with a sensible narrative, but a series of products to sell an IP.
The film also has so many unearned moments that are supposed to have impact, but they never land with any weight at all. Maz Kanata saying "Goodbye Princess" feels sickly, it doesn't sound right. C3PO saying he wants to look at his friends one last time sounds just off as these people either don't care about him all that much, or just outright dislike him. Kylo's turn back the "light side" is thoroughly unconvincing and Rey's familial connections are a joke.
So, at the end, we're left with a truly disappointing trio of movies that are entirely worthless to the over all story that they are now part of and we're back where we left off in 'Return of the Jedi', which ultimately means that the sequel trilogy was all just a poor retread of the original trilogy. But in doing that retread, it wiped out everything that the original characters achieved.
If there is anything good to take from these sequels, though, is that it provides a series of "what not to do's" for Disney to review in future Star Wars projects. Whether they pay attention to them or not remains to be seen.0 -
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So, thoughts on this thing in no particular bullet point order, many of which have already been gone over in the thread I'm sure. Spoilers in here, and if you're of a nervous disposition, look away now. :pac:
- The Emperor's return is just awful. Not only is there no build up whatsoever, there's no real explanation provided just how this has happened. In fact, one of Dominic Monaghan's awful lines is "Somehow, the Emperor has returned...". We know he's had to return, of course, so I'll not rehash those criticisms here. But, even so it's handling is chronic. The audience is blown off with "It was me all along...(evil laugh)" and the fact that he has ten thousand (now planet killing) Star Destroyers (presumably crewed) is just laughable. We're also told that he's broadcast his return and that there's just 16 hours before kick off. Why?
- The Emperor offers Kylo Ren this magic fleet. But why? He already has a massive fleet and the First Order "reigns" over the galaxy, according to 'The Last Jedi'.
- Hux as a spy in the First Order, who's only motivation is to get one up on Kylo, is like a 6 year old's reasoning. But Domhnall Gleeson doesn't get much else to do here, except say his silly lines and cash his cheque.
- Much of the film's first half is a series of insipid computer game fetch quests, first with Kylo in a confusing opening sequence and then with Rey and Co. flying hither and thither to get something that will either lead to another bit of plot stuff or another piece of expository dialogue to try and explain to the bedazzled audience what the hell is going on.
- There are not one, but two fake out deaths. One involving Chewie and another (not quite physical death) involving C3PO. Chewie gets blown up in a transporter due to Rey and Kylo in a Force fight...ah no, he doesn't. Fooled ya! C3PO gets his memory wiped and a set of red eyes...ah no, he doesn't. Fooled ya! Just terrible. Actually, there's three, if we count Kylo's first death. :pac:
- The Death Star somehow didn't get completely obliterated, as we saw in 'Return of the Jedi', but instead had enough pieces remain intact to land on Not-Endor. These pieces include a semi intact Imperial Throne Room and is the location of another macguffin that has to be found. All of this was completely unnecessary. The Death Star never needed to be a location in this movie and to have it so looks ridiculous.
- Rey and Kylo's fight on the Death Star's remains ends with Leia, another Skywalker, dying from too much Force, doubling down on that stupid idea from 'The Last Jedi'. Not only that, it exercises an new absurd Force ability that can see Rey heal people of mortal wounds, adding yet another get-out-of-jail card to the stack.
- In a wretched attempt to pull at the heart strings, Harrison Ford's contract obligations are invoked and he has to return one last time to the franchise he's hated since 1977 as, I don't know, a figment of Kylo Ren's imagination? This is to tell him that it's never too late to change. Even after you were complicit in the murder of trillions. Kylo, of course, thinks this is a good idea now and reverts to Ben Solo and sure it's all grand.
- The Knights of Ren show up and are promptly dispatched.
- He, somehow, makes it back over to Rey to help her kill Palpatine in a situation that puts the final nail in Luke Skywalker's coffin.
- Reylo kiss, to appease the absolute worst section of any type of fandom...shippers. This is just ugh on so many levels. She likes a patricidal, psychopathic, mass murderer. I guess girls just love a bad boy. But she is too late, poor old Benny dies and we're all supposed to feel bad...somehow <- this is the word of the film.
- Lando's return feels like a real dud, when it should have been great. But like all of the returns of the old crew, it just lands with a damp splat.
- The final battle of the film, which is also the final battle of the, so called, "Skywalker Saga" is an immensely insignificant event that finalises the whole thing on a impotent whimper. Not only that, but Lando somehow manages to amass his own incredible fleet and in just a couple of hours too!
- Rey's lineage is resolved in the worst way possible. She's Rey Palpatine. Someone thought that sleeping with a middle aged Palpatine somewhere between 'Revenge of the Sith' and 'Star Wars' was a good idea and eventually it produced Rey. Thanks for that Disney.
I can only echo the over all conclusions that most people have and repeat that 'The Rise of Skywalker' is an absolute mess of a film. But, not only that, it's a mess that does nothing at all to benefit the Star Wars story in any way, because it just negates much of 'The Last Jedi', which did enough already to negate much of 'The Force Awakens'. This has been the central tragedy of these sequel films, because there is zero throughput throughout the three movies. Nothing makes a lick of sense, because the film makers are at odds with one another and trying to "fix" what came before, which has proven to be completely detrimental to the whole trilogy and the entire series.
'The Rise of Skywalker' is really just a series of flashy plot points that are interspersed with silly exposition. Visually, it races along at a thousand miles and hour, never letting the audience stop and realise how nonsensical it all is. It must do that, because the facade falls apart like a house of cards if you do stop and think on it for even a moment. So in that respect, it remains faithful the trilogy in many ways, which were not so much films with a sensible narrative, but a series of products to sell an IP.
The film also has so many unearned moments that are supposed to have impact, but they never land with any weight at all. Maz Kanata saying "Goodbye Princess" feels sickly, it doesn't sound right. C3PO saying he wants to look at his friends one last time sounds just off as these people either don't care about him all that much, or just outright dislike him. Kylo's turn back the "light side" is thoroughly unconvincing and Rey's familial connections are a joke.
So, at the end, we're left with a truly disappointing trio of movies that are entirely worthless to the over all story that they are now part of and we're back where we left off in 'Return of the Jedi', which ultimately means that the sequel trilogy was all just a poor retread of the original trilogy. But in doing that retread, it wiped out everything that the original characters achieved.
If there is anything good to take from these sequels, though, is that it provides a series of "what not to do's" for Disney to review in future Star Wars projects. Whether they pay attention to them or not remains to be seen.
good summary of a lot of the plot holes.
It is worth bearing in mind that the original Star Wars was heavily influenced by old movie serials like Flash Gordon. In that context constantly bringing back the same heroes and villains, and having dramatic but implausible twists is standard practise. The opening crawl dropping us immediately into the Emperor's return is straight out of that episodic serial structure.
Empire (and to a lesser extent ROTJ) moved on from that into a more mythic style of story telling, and consequently raised people's expectations for subsequent movies. This new trilogy has tried to have it both ways - pulpy melodrama, alongside mythic world-building and it hasn't really succeeded.0 -
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- The Emperor's return is just awful. Not only is there no build up whatsoever, there's no real explanation provided just how this has happened. In fact, one of Dominic Monaghan's awful lines is "Somehow, the Emperor has returned...". We know he's had to return, of course, so I'll not rehash those criticisms here. But, even so it's handling is chronic. The audience is blown off with "It was me all along...(evil laugh)" and the fact that he has ten thousand (now planet killing) Star Destroyers (presumably crewed) is just laughable. We're also told that he's broadcast his return and that there's just 16 hours before kick off. Why?
We all know that some events in Star Wars seem fairly improbable. Wasn't there some site that calculated exactly what would be involved in making an actual Death Star? The resources required were almost logically impossible to produce. So why can't that extend to a load of Star Destroyers? Maybe they were old ones from the remains of the Empire, and could've been skeleton crewed.[*]The Emperor offers Kylo Ren this magic fleet. But why? He already has a massive fleet and the First Order "reigns" over the galaxy, according to 'The Last Jedi'.
Who wouldn't want more ships?[*]Hux as a spy in the First Order, who's only motivation is to get one up on Kylo, is like a 6 year old's reasoning. But Domhnall Gleeson doesn't get much else to do here, except say his silly lines and cash his cheque.
But Hux was always like a petulant child, from his first appearance. He was knocked back enough times by Kylo to warrant this coming out as personal revenge. It was a shame he was dispatched so quickly though; would've been interesting if he had gone full-Rebellion, and even brought some ships with him at the final battle.[*]Much of the film's first half is a series of insipid computer game fetch quests, first with Kylo in a confusing opening sequence and then with Rey and Co. flying hither and thither to get something that will either lead to another bit of plot stuff or another piece of expository dialogue to try and explain to the bedazzled audience what the hell is going on.
There was nothing confusing about the opening sequence, and at no point did I not know what was going on. I was with my 10 year old and he also knew what was going on at all times.[*]The Death Star somehow didn't get completely obliterated, as we saw in 'Return of the Jedi', but instead had enough pieces remain intact to land on Not-Endor. These pieces include a semi intact Imperial Throne Room and is the location of another macguffin that has to be found. All of this was completely unnecessary. The Death Star never needed to be a location in this movie and to have it so looks ridiculous.
The Death Star was big. Moon sized big. So it's not unlikely that chunks of it would be floating around space and landing on planets. Think about it, the throne room would've been tiny in relation to the whole structure.[*]In a wretched attempt to pull at the heart strings, Harrison Ford's contract obligations are invoked and he has to return one last time to the franchise he's hated since 1977 as, I don't know, a figment of Kylo Ren's imagination? This is to tell him that it's never too late to change. Even after you were complicit in the murder of trillions. Kylo, of course, thinks this is a good idea now and reverts to Ben Solo and sure it's all grand.
No different to Darth Vader returning to the light side, and we were all ok with that.[*]The Knights of Ren show up and are promptly dispatched.
No issue with that. They weren't Jedi / Sith so they'd be easily beaten by someone who was.[*]He, somehow, makes it back over to Rey to help her kill Palpatine in a situation that puts the final nail in Luke Skywalker's coffin.
I don't understand what that has to do with Luke or his coffin.[*]Reylo kiss, to appease the absolute worst section of any type of fandom...shippers. This is just ugh on so many levels. She likes a patricidal, psychopathic, mass murderer. I guess girls just love a bad boy. But she is too late, poor old Benny dies and we're all supposed to feel bad...somehow <- this is the word of the film.
The kiss was fine. All along, especially in TLJ, he was conflicted. She was conflicted. They were conflicted about each other's feelings for each other and what that meant for them and their "cause". Plus they were connected by the Force. So the kiss was just an impulse from both of them when it became clear there was no more conflict. It's not like they started riding or anything...
[*]Lando's return feels like a real dud, when it should have been great. But like all of the returns of the old crew, it just lands with a damp splat.
I don't necessarily disagree with this; like the others from the OT he was just too old to do anything of significance. Really, they should've made these movies in the late 90s...[*]The final battle of the film, which is also the final battle of the, so called, "Skywalker Saga" is an immensely insignificant event that finalises the whole thing on a impotent whimper. Not only that, but Lando somehow manages to amass his own incredible fleet and in just a couple of hours too!
They'd put the call out earlier in the film and these are the ships that responded. The same thing happened at the climax of Dunkirk![*]Rey's lineage is resolved in the worst way possible. She's Rey Palpatine. Someone thought that sleeping with a middle aged Palpatine somewhere between 'Revenge of the Sith' and 'Star Wars' was a good idea and eventually it produced Rey. Thanks for that Disney.
You can't expect a sleazy, corrupt politician to not have some action on the side. Or a Sith master - he could've had a harem of slave women to choose from! But there's other ways to sire children beyond having sex with women - he could've used a Star Wars version of IVF!0 -
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silverharp wrote: »its tracking behind the other 2 movies though, so its kind of a meh ending to it all, I doubt Disney will be thrilled.
I don’t pay much heed to box office beyond the a general interest what breaks a what record for trivia purposes because the money is not mine
However I had assumed it was going to make more than Endgame or at least match it. When I read it was trailing the others I also thought Disney and the shareholders would be freaking out but apparently the fact that any of them got to a billion was a surprise to Disney and they had been telling the shareholders since the beginning that to rein in any crazy billion expectations.0
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