Relocating to Ireland or UK!!!!!!!! HELP

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 9:12am #1

Hi,
I am married man with 3 kids (ages 5,3 and 1 yrs old). I work as regulatory specialist in the pharma industry. Despite the brexit and everything that is being discussed for the future of both countries I am in great dilemma.
I want to know an overall what would be the best choice in your opinion for a family relocation considering everything.
For ireland i am considering to choose between Dublin/greystone/kildare village/newsbridge/cork.
For uk i am considering to choose between Hertfordshire (Bishop's Stortford or Hitichin)/Bristol/Newcastle/liverpool.
Despite the areas choosen based on work opportunities/commute/schools or rent/own property etc... I am in big dilemma between the two countries. Overall I am not entirely which would be the easiest transition for relocation and the most worth.
Keeping into perspective the expenses/cost of living between the countries, the education and healthcare and most important the monthly disposal income what in your genuine opinion based on your experiences is considered best choice right now?

I'll be very pleased to hear your feedback.
thanks,
Luke

CeilingFly · 25-07-2018 9:27am

Education, Ireland will win hands down unless you are looking at the very high end of education which is extremely expensive in the UK.

Healthcare - you will more than likely have a company health insurance scheme, so Ireland ahead on that point.

Cost of living - I don't think there's a huge difference between the two when all factors are taken into account.

Tax - I'll assume you will be well paid, so the higher tax bands come into play. You will probably pay extra here, however with three children, the Children's allowances are higher and there's no cost for children under 6 to see a doctor.

In saying that, Bishop's Stortford is a great location and is one of the few areas in the UK that has a good choice of schools, plenty of amenities and easy to commute to other places via train, plane or car. (I lived there for 6 years)

Kildare is a good choice here - good supply of property now, plenty of schools and more coming on stream. Good train and road links (esp when M7 upgrade is finished) and a less stressed lifestyle in general.

Difficult decision, as the areas you are looking at in the UK are attractive, but the other side is that in the pharma industry there are probably more opportunities here than in the UK that would not need uprooting family with each move. e.g if you were in Kildare and were working for Pfizer in Newbridge, but looked for a change, Dublin (loads of places) and Carlow (MSD) are within commuting distance.

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 10:27am

CeilingFly wrote: »

Education, Ireland will win hands down unless you are looking at the very high end of education which is extremely expensive in the UK.

Healthcare - you will more than likely have a company health insurance scheme, so Ireland ahead on that point.

Cost of living - I don't think there's a huge difference between the two when all factors are taken into account.

Tax - I'll assume you will be well paid, so the higher tax bands come into play. You will probably pay extra here, however with three children, the Children's allowances are higher and there's no cost for children under 6 to see a doctor.

In saying that, Bishop's Stortford is a great location and is one of the few areas in the UK that has a good choice of schools, plenty of amenities and easy to commute to other places via train, plane or car. (I lived there for 6 years)

Kildare is a good choice here - good supply of property now, plenty of schools and more coming on stream. Good train and road links (esp when M7 upgrade is finished) and a less stressed lifestyle in general.

Difficult decision, as the areas you are looking at in the UK are attractive, but the other side is that in the pharma industry there are probably more opportunities here than in the UK that would not need uprooting family with each move. e.g if you were in Kildare and were working for Pfizer in Newbridge, but looked for a change, Dublin (loads of places) and Carlow (MSD) are within commuting distance.

Dear CeilingFly,
I am very glad to receive your feedback. The way I understood it appears you have lived in UK but now moved to Ireland. That's good to receive such feedback coming from someone who has experienced both countries.
From what i can understand it seems in your opinion overall for a family with 3 kids and work in the pharma industry with less commute time, Ireland would be the best fit, am I correct?
However, I would like to share my view based on your comments:
Education: I think both countries both good education. Well, in terms of higher education I assume its always better to have that option flexibile because I imagine it's always good to know your kids can have access to higher education. (here in Malta the University education is given free up to undergraduate level then Masters and further studies require you to pay). I believe for UK i think some universities offer free teaching for undergraduate degrees subsidized buy the government or else paid with no interest). Whereas in Ireland you need to save approx. 9k per yr roughly. Overall access to higher education is very important.
Cost of living: I agree, overall they are similar taking everything into account. In fact more important is the disposal income therefore how much money left/remain in your saving accounts for luxuries etc..
Taxes: true i found out its higher in Ireland. As for the doctor provided to children free under 6yrs I think in UK it is still free healthcare to all ages irrespective of your income. So irrespective of the quality of service I think UK wins for Healthcare: Lets keep in mind that my wife will not work or at least not the very beginning since there will not be any relatives to back us up. The HSE may entitle us for either Medical Card for GP visit card.
Location: Yes indeed BS is good spot better than Hitchin in terms of commute. In addition BS i have relatives thats a plus and many pharma companies are in proximity of 30 to 60 mins commute time, excluding london city. Perhaps, UK has a better and cheaper travelling system both local and at international level. I found Irish public service and overall private transport (ownership of car) are really expensive. For Ireland I think if i am up to date there has been discussions to challenge the skyhigh motor insurances which for some consume a good percentage of your salary. As for International, I think Dublin its good but my only concern there is only 1 airline (Ryanair) operating directly from Dublin to Malta. I would want to be very much in contact with relatives as my wife would probably be homesick in the initial stages. As for london there is more competition. Price gap we are talking about 50% difference 500euros vs 1000euros.
Kildare! Yes i think Kildare village or other areas in proximity will still remain close to job opportunities. I personally think its a better choice rather than living in Dublin. Greystone is also good and close to sea but also close to Wicklow's mountain but then again the property prices are high in comparison.
Your last comment its exactly what I am more focusing on. I want to relocate I want to change and i am not afraid of challenges but since i come from Malta a small island with similar upbringing to irish "so to speak", the families happen to remain very close. In fact my wife actually is not in favour to relocate but Malta is becoming really expensive and the pharma industry is very limited otherwise i dont think I would move. I know british and irish who have relocated in Malta but some work in the Financial and igaming industry "Lucky Them".
As for UK in all honesty i think there are more opportunities, more companies "at the moment" and more regulatory consultancy firms. But yes you are trully correct, the most important thing to me is not just the job but to move some place where i can look for other opportunities without moving to one place and another. I think the rule is to keep the commute time below 60 mins targeting 30-45mins average will not be that bad on your day to day life.
Overall I want job opportunities in the pharma (which lacks in Malta), possible own a house in few yrs time that is not way to high (not like Malta 250k/300k for 3bed appartment or 500k/700k terraced house), education (similar to Malta) and healthcare reasonable and available irrespective of the financial income (free in Malta) and good traveling network to Malta that easily done on frequent basis but not to expensive (possible to travel at least 3 or 4 times a year since we already own a house here for holiday stays.

CeilingFly · 25-07-2018 11:08am

A friend of mine recently relocated form malta and always commented that it was similar way fo life to here in terms of people.

On doctors - the one problem in the uK is waiting time to see a doctor. It can be 2-3 weeks unless its an emergency and it is often that each visit means a different doctor sees you.

On tax, if your wife is not working her tax allowances go to you, so that will bring your tax level to similar or lower than UK.

House prices - my old house in Bishop's Stortford, tiny 600 sq ft terraced, currently is valued at about £250,000. For the same money I'd get a 1200sq ft semi detached house in Kildare Town. Here's an example - walking distance to everything including National Stud, the outlet shopping and train station https://www.daft.ie/kildare/new-homes-for-sale/oaktree-tully-road-kildare-kildare-67762/

I'd suggest you take a weekend in Kildare Town and see what the area is like - train service is very good from there and you are beside the motorway.

Car insurance is very high for young people. Not bad for experienced drivers.

sybil2000 · 25-07-2018 12:14pm

ldsolare wrote: »

Hi,
I am married man with 3 kids (ages 5,3 and 1 yrs old). I work as regulatory specialist in the pharma industry. Despite the brexit and everything that is being discussed for the future of both countries I am in great dilemma.
I want to know an overall what would be the best choice in your opinion for a family relocation considering everything.
For ireland i am considering to choose between Dublin/greystone/kildare village/newsbridge/cork.
For uk i am considering to choose between Hertfordshire (Bishop's Stortford or Hitichin)/Bristol/Newcastle/liverpool.
Despite the areas choosen based on work opportunities/commute/schools or rent/own property etc... I am in big dilemma between the two countries. Overall I am not entirely which would be the easiest transition for relocation and the most worth.
Keeping into perspective the expenses/cost of living between the countries, the education and healthcare and most important the monthly disposal income what in your genuine opinion based on your experiences is considered best choice right now?

I'll be very pleased to hear your feedback.
thanks,
Luke

Hi, I relocated from London back to Ireland with 3 kids in tow a few years back.
Ireland is expensive, even for the basics. The health system is terrible and you pay through the nose for it. So if you have a family of asthmatics or something, your going to be paying for all the meds. Also, despite the government mantra of education being free, it isnt. Everything has to be bought and the weather is cold and wet.
In saying all that, the education system for high school is much better than the UK. It isnt particularly dependant on the school you go to.
The kids have more freedom here than in London. They can walk and cycle to friends houses. Childcare is expensive if you need it. Schools aren't set up to care for kids with clubs to facilitate parents working so you'll be on your own organising care for half days and such.
VRT is very expensive so if you want a great car, buy it before you move to Ireland as you can then claim vrt relief when you import it.
The kids much prefer here than London (although they can hardly remember now). Also when they were little there were a lot more parent and toddler clubs etc to attend in London to get out of the house and talk to other adults. Not so much here.

CeilingFly · 25-07-2018 1:44pm

sybil2000 wrote: »

The health system is terrible and you pay through the nose for it. So if you have a family of asthmatics or something, your going to be paying for all the meds.
VRT is very expensive so if you want a great car, buy it before you move to Ireland as you can then claim vrt relief when you import it.

Heath system, whilst not fantastic is better than the uK in many areas (I've experienced both). Main issue here is waiting lists, but that can be circumvented by health insurance. GP care is far superior here as you don't have long waiting times and in most cases you'll always see the same doctor.

The maximum cost of prescriptions is €134 a month and that's for an entire family. https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/1/schemes/drugspaymentscheme/

The other problem here is the "village news" mentality of the media and people like Joe Duffy who search out anyone with an issue and then makes a big hysterical headline about it. That's reserved to local papers /media in the UK as its of no interest to national titles. My own experience of NHS was one of utter incompetence where I ended up going for an operation and then at the last minute they said that they could not find the scans and it then took another year to have the fairly minor operation done!

On vrt - if the car is efficient, a 14% rate applies. Fuel is about 10% cheaper than the UK and you probably drive less as things are closer, so it sorts of ends up similar overall annual cost. Road tax is more expensive here than the UK, but lower than Malta.

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 1:58pm

sybil2000 wrote: »

ldsolare wrote: »

Hi,
I am married man with 3 kids (ages 5,3 and 1 yrs old). I work as regulatory specialist in the pharma industry. Despite the brexit and everything that is being discussed for the future of both countries I am in great dilemma.
I want to know an overall what would be the best choice in your opinion for a family relocation considering everything.
For ireland i am considering to choose between Dublin/greystone/kildare village/newsbridge/cork.
For uk i am considering to choose between Hertfordshire (Bishop's Stortford or Hitichin)/Bristol/Newcastle/liverpool.
Despite the areas choosen based on work opportunities/commute/schools or rent/own property etc... I am in big dilemma between the two countries. Overall I am not entirely which would be the easiest transition for relocation and the most worth.
Keeping into perspective the expenses/cost of living between the countries, the education and healthcare and most important the monthly disposal income what in your genuine opinion based on your experiences is considered best choice right now?

I'll be very pleased to hear your feedback.
thanks,
Luke

Hi, I relocated from London back to Ireland with 3 kids in tow a few years back.
Ireland is expensive, even for the basics. The health system is terrible and you pay through the nose for it. So if you have a family of asthmatics or something, your going to be paying for all the meds. Also, despite the government mantra of education being free, it isnt. Everything has to be bought and the weather is cold and wet.
In saying all that, the education system for high school is much better than the UK. It isnt particularly dependant on the school you go to.
The kids have more freedom here than in London. They can walk and cycle to friends houses. Childcare is expensive if you need it. Schools aren't set up to care for kids with clubs to facilitate parents working so you'll be on your own organising care for half days and such.
VRT is very expensive so if you want a great car, buy it before you move to Ireland as you can then claim vrt relief when you import it.
The kids much prefer here than London (although they can hardly remember now). Also when they were little there were a lot more parent and toddler clubs etc to attend in London to get out of the house and talk to other adults. Not so much here.

Dear Sybil,
Many thanks for your feedback. May I ask you which part of Ireland you have relocated?
Well in honesty i have the second one that suffers from asthma which not very sever and to be honest she is still young to confirm as asthmatic. But definitely here in Malta even though the healthcare is free, the majority of medicine or over the counter are not and have to buy. We buy ventolin (less than 4euros) and Flixotide (less than 15euros) so up till now i don't bother that much unless the medicine in Ireland is alot more expensive. Its not something used regulatory thankfully. As for the health system I am still struggling to understand the free healthcare in Ireland. I know its based on the source of income but one thing i do not understand is how it actually works. For example i see primary healthcare clinics in ireland and others as medical clinics. I am not sure if the primary clinics are runned by government or not?Also I am not sure if these are used as free or not to reduce the number of patients at general hospitals. Here in Malta we have what we call Polyclinics to serve as primary care and to reduce the numbers from going to general hospital. That said, Polyclinics are free of charge and only ID card is needed at no expense nor any additional charges except for medicine. Usually they provide free medicine on site but than you'd need to pay for the rest like a course of antibiotics or painkillers, etc..
From what i understand the healthcare in ireland is not really the same as Malta/UK. Even if you have the medical card you are entitled free medicine and you can use private clinics paid by the government, am I right? I think what bothers me the most is the complexity of the system. It appears you'd need to declare every 3yrs to ensure you are entitled for free healthcare service through a medical card or GP. If expired you need to reapply and so on.
What do you mean by "Everything has to be bought"? Here in Malta the education runned by the state (i.e not church schools/private schools) the tuition and some books are free but the rest has to be paid. For Church schools in Malta we have to pay a donation each semester, the reading books, textbooks, stationary, uniforms, outings, etc.. I think in ireland the schools are more likely equivalent to Malta Church Schools which as long as the books and clothes etc are not expensive it should be hopefully ok.
About the weather you are right cold and wet but its more likely similar to UK. Yes maybe it rains a bit more often but i think overall the same. Whereas in Malta its more sunny and 3/4 months its windy and rain is not frequent. However, Malta is very dry and has high humidity and it lacks the freshness and greenery that Ireland and UK give.
I am not entirely sure about the education between ireland and UK. I have spoken with many people including irish people. More likely the same with the exception that UK has more options to offer.
One good reason why my heart is calling for ireland is the slow pace and the tranquility you find in the small towns. I know in UK there also places like ireland but they would be too far from work.
If not mistaken childcare in ireland is given free for 1 or 2yrs correct me if i am wrong? Even though due to lack of support i dont see how my wife could really go to work. Nonetheless, my 5yr old and 3yrd will be ready to start junior primary for next year except for the third which she would be 2yrs old. Here in Malta they start early ahead from ireland. My 5yr old daughter will be in primary 1st year which i believe it probably be with 6yrs old in Ireland. Something which i would need to be careful on this one.
Not Sure I understand about the VRT relief. I have bought a car from UK. Now registered in Malta. I was planning to bring this car with me and register it there. By relief you mean you get refund because its bought in EU?
I think they will love living in both countries. They have been brought up also to speak english and maltese since I am half British/Maltese. So language would not be a barrier too.
About communites and get to know the locals its also very important. I want to make sure that my wife get the best of this trial period since she is not really keen to relocate. Family here in Malta are very close and we meet up on weekly basis making it harder for a change. I want to find communities where Mums meet up and have the change to socialize making friends, etc... I believe the most important thing for someone to stick to a place is not work or how beautiful the place is but rather how much he/she has integrated into society and how happy the person feels connected with the locals.

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 2:14pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

sybil2000 wrote: »

The health system is terrible and you pay through the nose for it. So if you have a family of asthmatics or something, your going to be paying for all the meds.
VRT is very expensive so if you want a great car, buy it before you move to Ireland as you can then claim vrt relief when you import it.

Heath system, whilst not fantastic is better than the uK in many areas (I've experienced both). Main issue here is waiting lists, but that can be circumvented by health insurance. GP care is far superior here as you don't have long waiting times and in most cases you'll always see the same doctor.

The maximum cost of prescriptions is €134 a month and that's for an entire family. https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/1/schemes/drugspaymentscheme/

The other problem here is the "village news" mentality of the media and people like Joe Duffy who search out anyone with an issue and then makes a big hysterical headline about it. That's reserved to local papers /media in the UK as its of no interest to national titles. My own experience of NHS was one of utter incompetence where I ended up going for an operation and then at the last minute they said that they could not find the scans and it then took another year to have the fairly minor operation done!

On vrt - if the car is efficient, a 14% rate applies. Fuel is about 10% cheaper than the UK and you probably drive less as things are closer, so it sorts of ends up similar overall annual cost. Road tax is more expensive here than the UK, but lower than Malta.

Hi CeilingFly,
Why would a family pay 134euros per month on prescription if either family has a medical card or has a private health insurance?
Correct if I am wrong but i think the 134euros i believe it applies for those who have chronic illness that amounts to 100's if not even 1000's per month (like someone who is having chemo treatment whether its oral administration or intravenous). For instance, if you had to pay for some panadols (headache) or painkillers (bone/muscle pain injuries), NSAIDs (inflammatory drugs) or corticosterioids for asthma i don't think they should reach that amount of money in Ireland and they are not taken on routine basis hence it would not justify the 134euros/month. If they really do go up that much every month than i'd say its veeeeery expensive.
Did I perhaps misunderstood your comment?

davo2001 · 25-07-2018 2:22pm

ldsolare wrote: »

Hi CeilingFly,
Why would a family pay 134euros per month on prescription if either family has a medical card or has a private health insurance?

You pay for prescriptions yourself even if you have private health cover, you will not be able to get a medical card, given your job decription I assume you will earn too much to avail of this.

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 2:40pm

davo2001 wrote: »

ldsolare wrote: »

Hi CeilingFly,
Why would a family pay 134euros per month on prescription if either family has a medical card or has a private health insurance?

You pay for prescriptions yourself even if you have private health cover, you will not be able to get a medical card, given your job decription I asuume you will earn too much to avail of this.

Hi Dav,
"By paying for prescriptions yourself" do you refer for the common medicines which used frequent like the ones i mentioned earlier above? If i may recall correctly according to the HSE website the medicines for special treatments or chronic or serious cases such as cancer etc are provided free. Is this true or I am wrong? There are drugs which can cost you 1000's on a monthly basis. So if for these cases the state does not provide than the healthcare compared to UK/Malta is not the same.
To be honest you may have a good salary but it all depends on other factors. Let me give you an example and let me know if you know anyone in my similar situation. Let say I relocate in ireland and I earn 60k. My wife does not work, and have three kids 2 of whom they go to school. My aim is that i only work for the first years until everything is settled and my wife focus on the kids and everything. So you think a family with 3kids and a 60k salary would not be entitled for a medical card in your opinion?
Im curious because last time i contacted the medical card department they have told me that you need to be here and submit all the details and information. My only problem is that I want to know before I make any moves. For me its very important to make sure beforehand not after i made the decision. therefore i think the best possible way to know is to find a family with 3kids and wife that does not work.

Daisies · 25-07-2018 2:43pm

ldsolare wrote: »

Hi Dav,
"By paying for prescriptions yourself" do you refer for the common medicines which used frequent like the ones i mentioned earlier above? If i may recall correctly according to the HSE website the medicines for special treatments or chronic or serious cases such as cancer etc are provided free. Is this true or I am wrong? There are drugs which can cost you 1000's on a monthly basis. So if for these cases the state does not provide than the healthcare compared to UK/Malta is not the same.
To be honest you may have a good salary but it all depends on other factors. Let me give you an example and let me know if you know anyone in my similar situation. Let say I relocate in ireland and I earn 60k. My wife does not work, and have three kids 2 of whom they go to school. My aim is that i only work for the first years until everything is settled and my wife focus on the kids and everything. So you think a family with 3kids and a 60k salary would not be entitled for a medical card in your opinion?
Im curious because last time i contacted the medical card department they have told me that you need to be here and submit all the details and information. My only problem is that I want to know before I make any moves. For me its very important to make sure beforehand not after i made the decision. therefore i think the best possible way to know is to find a family with 3kids and wife that does not work.

You will not be entitled to a medical card on 60k a year

newbie2 · 25-07-2018 2:51pm

Married, co-habiting couple/single parent family aged up to 65 with dependents: €266.50 for medical card
3rd and subsequent children under 16 financially dependent on applicant: €41 for medical card

Earn €300ish per week and less you get a medical card.

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 2:53pm

Daisies wrote: »

ldsolare wrote: »

Hi Dav,
"By paying for prescriptions yourself" do you refer for the common medicines which used frequent like the ones i mentioned earlier above? If i may recall correctly according to the HSE website the medicines for special treatments or chronic or serious cases such as cancer etc are provided free. Is this true or I am wrong? There are drugs which can cost you 1000's on a monthly basis. So if for these cases the state does not provide than the healthcare compared to UK/Malta is not the same.
To be honest you may have a good salary but it all depends on other factors. Let me give you an example and let me know if you know anyone in my similar situation. Let say I relocate in ireland and I earn 60k. My wife does not work, and have three kids 2 of whom they go to school. My aim is that i only work for the first years until everything is settled and my wife focus on the kids and everything. So you think a family with 3kids and a 60k salary would not be entitled for a medical card in your opinion?
Im curious because last time i contacted the medical card department they have told me that you need to be here and submit all the details and information. My only problem is that I want to know before I make any moves. For me its very important to make sure beforehand not after i made the decision. therefore i think the best possible way to know is to find a family with 3kids and wife that does not work.

You will not be entitled to a medical card on 60k a year

Is that with certainty based on someone you know who is in the same situation as mine? Therefore Family of 3 kids and wife unemployed? Also, what about the children vaccinations and medical care up to 6yrs and the prescriptions that costs 100s and 1000s for people that suffer from serious illness? Would I need to pay them as well?

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 2:54pm

I was once told that all depends on the agreements that exist between each member states within EU. In Malta no fees for healthcare and no charges on medicines with serious medical conditions.

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 2:57pm

newbie2 wrote: »

Married, co-habiting couple/single parent family aged up to 65 with dependents: €266.50 for medical card
3rd and subsequent children under 16 financially dependent on applicant: €41 for medical card

Earn €300ish per week and less you get a medical card.

Hi newbie,
I did not understand the figures you referenced apart from the max weekly income to be eligible for midical card. What do the 266euros and 41euros mean?

newbie2 · 25-07-2018 2:58pm

GP visit = €60 approx - get an appointment right away
Prescription medicine = €134 per month MAXIMUM spend per family
Non referred Emergency Dept visit = €100 approx
Referred Emergency Dept visit = Free

If you earn less than €266 + €41 per week - you are entitled to a medical card (the €41 is for 3 children)

Daisies · 25-07-2018 3:00pm

ldsolare wrote: »

Is that with certainty based on someone you know who is in the same situation as mine? Therefore Family of 3 kids and wife unemployed? Also, what about the children vaccinations and medical care up to 6yrs and the prescriptions that costs 100s and 1000s for people that suffer from serious illness? Would I need to pay them as well?

See the above poster about your wages.
Everyone is covered by the Drugs payment scheme i.e. if you have a serious illness, you do not pay over €134 per month for the medications.
Childhood vaccinations are free, free medical care for under 6s- these are not income dependent. For any issues requiring seeing a consultant, you can choose to go public which will involve long waiting periods but be free, or private where you will be seen sooner but will have to pay or have private health insurance.

Citizens information will be a good place to start your reading. http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/health_system/

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 3:12pm

Daisies wrote: »

ldsolare wrote: »

Is that with certainty based on someone you know who is in the same situation as mine? Therefore Family of 3 kids and wife unemployed? Also, what about the children vaccinations and medical care up to 6yrs and the prescriptions that costs 100s and 1000s for people that suffer from serious illness? Would I need to pay them as well?

See the above poster about your wages.
Everyone is covered by the Drugs payment scheme i.e. if you have a serious illness, you do not pay over €134 per month for the medications.
Childhood vaccinations are free, free medical care for under 6s- these are not income dependent. For any issues requiring seeing a consultant, you can choose to go public which will involve long waiting periods but be free, or private where you will be seen sooner but will have to pay or have private health insurance.

Citizens information will be a good place to start your reading. http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/health_system/

Ohh so in other words the Drug payment scheme is not mandotory but it is useful to pay monthly to cover any costs with no questions asks, am i right? So i go to pharmacy I present my card and pharmacist provide the medication? Therefore the 134euros only covers the drugs but you'd still need to pay for the GP/consultant prescrition/visit, correct?

Daisies · 25-07-2018 3:13pm

ldsolare wrote: »

Ohh so in other words the Drug payment scheme is not mandotory but it is useful to pay monthly to cover any costs with no questions asks, am i right? So i go to pharmacy I present my card and pharmacist provide the medication? Therefore the 134euros only covers the drugs but you'd still need to pay for the GP/consultant prescrition/visit, correct?

Exactly. Over the counter medication is not covered. If you were spending money monthly on prescribed medication it would be silly not to sign up to DPS.

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 3:26pm

newbie2 wrote: »

GP visit = €60 approx - get an appointment right away
Prescription medicine = €134 per month MAXIMUM spend per family
Non referred Emergency Dept visit = €100 approx
Referred Emergency Dept visit = Free

If you earn less than €266 + €41 per week - you are entitled to a medical card (the €41 is for 3 children)

Hi newbie,
first of all thanks for the explanation. Just a clarification. by referred emergency I assume it is only applied for those who hold a medical card, correct? If i will not have a medical card i will have to pay for the Emergency Dept Visit? In case you have a private insurance and referred by GP/Consultant i assume the fee still apply only difference is either you pay it or the insurance company depending on the package.
I hope its clear. I think overall its definitely more expensive in ireland in terms of healthcare. Basically I am taking into account not when I am healthy and young but I am taking into consideration when my health deteriorate or i am struggle to maintain with the cost of living. Its the reason why i dont believe health insurance should be based on income. Healthcare insurnace companies like motor insurance can manipulate the system and if for a period you are having hard time with mortgage, education, daily living etc.. and you need medical assistance and struggling to keep up with the health insurance no one can guarantee you will be covered. This is more closer to US system with some benefits.
So if i had to ask a general question for all irish people: how comfortable are you with the healtcare system currently in place that will guarantee the health and safety of each citizen? Would you all agree that in one way or another you will be covered?

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 3:30pm

Daisies wrote: »

ldsolare wrote: »

Is that with certainty based on someone you know who is in the same situation as mine? Therefore Family of 3 kids and wife unemployed? Also, what about the children vaccinations and medical care up to 6yrs and the prescriptions that costs 100s and 1000s for people that suffer from serious illness? Would I need to pay them as well?

See the above poster about your wages.
Everyone is covered by the Drugs payment scheme i.e. if you have a serious illness, you do not pay over €134 per month for the medications.
Childhood vaccinations are free, free medical care for under 6s- these are not income dependent. For any issues requiring seeing a consultant, you can choose to go public which will involve long waiting periods but be free, or private where you will be seen sooner but will have to pay or have private health insurance.

Citizens information will be a good place to start your reading. http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/health_system/

Hi Daisy,
When you say you can choose to go public this only apply if you have the medical card, correct?

newbie2 · 25-07-2018 3:30pm

ldsolare wrote: »

Ohh so in other words the Drug payment scheme is not mandotory but it is useful to pay monthly to cover any costs with no questions asks, am i right? So i go to pharmacy I present my card and pharmacist provide the medication? Therefore the 134euros only covers the drugs but you'd still need to pay for the GP/consultant prescrition/visit, correct?

You dont have to pay €134 per month, but when you sign up to the scheme, you will never have to pay more than €134 per month for prescribed medicines.

Daisies · 25-07-2018 3:32pm

ldsolare wrote: »

Hi newbie,
first of all thanks for the explanation. Just a clarification. by referred emergency I assume it is only applied for those who hold a medical card, correct? If i will not have a medical card i will have to pay for the Emergency Dept Visit? In case you have a private insurance and referred by GP/Consultant i assume the fee still apply only difference is either you pay it or the insurance company depending on the package.

Referred = generally referred with a letter from your GP I.E. you'll have paid your GP fee and then no fee at A&E. That is whether you have a medical card, insurance or not. Referral letter for A&E from your doctor = no fee

ldsolare wrote: »

I hope its clear. I think overall its definitely more expensive in ireland in terms of healthcare. Basically I am taking into account not when I am healthy and young but I am taking into consideration when my health deteriorate or i am struggle to maintain with the cost of living. Its the reason why i dont believe health insurance should be based on income. Healthcare insurnace companies like motor insurance can manipulate the system and if for a period you are having hard time with mortgage, education, daily living etc.. and you need medical assistance and struggling to keep up with the health insurance no one can guarantee you will be covered. This is more closer to US system with some benefits.

If this is a concern, I'd be worried about the talk in the UK regarding the future of the NHS. In fairness, the health insurance system here is miles away from the US system. If you cannot pay in the US you basically don't get treated. Here, if you can't pay, you will get treated in the public system. The private insurance is to help speed up being seen etc

Daisies · 25-07-2018 3:32pm

ldsolare wrote: »

Hi Daisy,
When you say you can choose to go public this only apply if you have the medical card, correct?

Nope, everyone can go public.

aroundthehouse · 25-07-2018 3:32pm

ldsolare wrote: »

Hi,
I am married man with 3 kids (ages 5,3 and 1 yrs old). I work as regulatory specialist in the pharma industry. Despite the brexit and everything that is being discussed for the future of both countries I am in great dilemma.
I want to know an overall what would be the best choice in your opinion for a family relocation considering everything.
For ireland i am considering to choose between Dublin/greystone/kildare village/newsbridge/cork.
For uk i am considering to choose between Hertfordshire (Bishop's Stortford or Hitichin)/Bristol/Newcastle/liverpool.
Despite the areas choosen based on work opportunities/commute/schools or rent/own property etc... I am in big dilemma between the two countries. Overall I am not entirely which would be the easiest transition for relocation and the most worth.
Keeping into perspective the expenses/cost of living between the countries, the education and healthcare and most important the monthly disposal income what in your genuine opinion based on your experiences is considered best choice right now?

I'll be very pleased to hear your feedback.
thanks,
Luke

Thats a big decision to make. Being Irish I am somewhat biased but for raising kids, I dont think you can beat Ireland. If you relocate to Ireland you want to be near Dublin but just far enough outside of it due to overcrowding, high cost of living etc so If it was me I would be looking at Kildare or Greystones, both nice places, near Dublin for commuting but nicely outside of it.
If I had to relocate to England I would be looking at Hertfordshire or Bristol, probably Hertfordshire due to it being near London. I would certainly avoid the North of England and stay nearer London

newbie2 · 25-07-2018 3:33pm

ldsolare wrote: »

.... by referred emergency I assume it is only applied for those who hold a medical card, correct? If i will not have a medical card i will have to pay for the Emergency Dept Visit? I?

When I say referred I mean when a doctor says - "go to the Emergency Department" and gives you a referral letter

Just turning up with a headache without a referral and you'll have to pay.

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 3:38pm

Daisies wrote: »

ldsolare wrote: »

Hi Daisy,
When you say you can choose to go public this only apply if you have the medical card, correct?

Nope, everyone can go public.

Dear Daisy,
Many thanks for all this feedback. What I can't clearly understand is again when you say everyone can go public. If I can't get a medical card or GP card, how can I go public for free?
Also, if I have an emergency let say i have broken my leg and i don't have the medical card nor the private insurance, what are the expense or is it still free if I go to an A&E Dept? I assume even though it is cheaper for a referral from GP 60euros rather than a 100euros i dont think with a broken leg you to your GP just to save 40euros, no?

Anbocmorrua · 25-07-2018 3:44pm

The UK is about to flush itself down the toilet with Brexit. Ireland is a better bet right now. Other than that if you have a well-paid job, and I assume here that you do, you can have a nice lifestyle in all the locations you mentioned.

aroundthehouse · 25-07-2018 3:47pm

Anbocmorrua wrote: »

The UK is about to flush itself down the toilet with Brexit. Ireland is a better bet right now. Other than that if you have a well-paid job, and I assume here that you do, you can have a nice lifestyle in all the locations you mentioned.

I agree, the UK is destroying itself, it will have a massive impact on the country plus migration issues etc, based on that alone I would be looking at Ireland

the_syco · 25-07-2018 3:48pm

ldsolare wrote: »

I work as regulatory specialist in the pharma industry

Have any CEO's of the companies in which you'd like to work in, that are based in the UK, given any warnings about Brexit? I note some businesses have spoken out about the implications of Brexit. Something to look into, I suppose.

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 3:49pm

Anbocmorrua wrote: »

The UK is about to flush itself down the toilet with Brexit. Ireland is a better bet right now. Other than that if you have a well-paid job, and I assume here that you do, you can have a nice lifestyle in all the locations you mentioned.

thanks for your feedback

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duffman13 · 25-07-2018 3:50pm

ldsolare wrote: »

Dear Daisy,
Many thanks for all this feedback. What I can't clearly understand is again when you say everyone can go public. If I can't get a medical card or GP card, how can I go public for free?
Also, if I have an emergency let say i have broken my leg and i don't have the medical card nor the private insurance, what are the expense or is it still free if I go to an A&E Dept? I assume even though it is cheaper for a referral from GP 60euros rather than a 100euros i dont think with a broken leg you to your GP just to save 40euros, no?

It's a little complex but if you need to see a GP and get medicine you'll have to pay (usually 60 euro and the cost of a prescription)

If you see your GP and you've an illness which requires further treatment you can be referred to a consultant. The consultant is free and any follow up treatment is free. Every one in Ireland is entitled to free health care however waiting lists are not great to see consultants in public hosptials

In addition to that if you dont earn more than 300ish per week you'll be entitled to a medical card. This does two things for you, it's gives you free visits to the GP and also means you only pay €2 per item on any required prescriptions. Based on your salary you won't qualify for this.

doolox · 25-07-2018 3:58pm

Because your children are all under 10 they will be obliged to learn Irish language at school. Irish language is compulsory in both Elementary (National) and secondary schools up to Leaving Cert level.

You are obliged to obtain at least a pass in Irish in order to enter the National University of Ireland ( NUI ) which accounts for the largest University campuses in the country.

Children over 11 when entering Ireland are granted exemptions to this obligation and they can go to college by obtaining a pass in another language apart from English.

The reality is that Irish is a near - dead language not used in business, administration or every day use, only 50,000 people are native speakers out of a total Irish population of 5 million.

There is however a nationalistic attraction to keeping the language alive by forcing people in school to learn it which does not work for a vast majority of people in school. They quickly stop speaking or using Irish when they leave school, in most cases doing the bare minimum to pass the basic requirements.

You will not have that problem in England where there is only one native language, English, and only 4 subjects to do at Pre-University level, although the standards in each subject at this level is higher than our Leaving Cert, which requires you to do 7 subjects and get high marks in 6 to get into college which can be very competitive. Many students from here go to study courses in England because it is harder to get into colleges in many courses than it is to get into similar courses in England. UK college places are dearer however, costing £UK 9,000 or more per annum for fees alone. Irish colleges are around €3,000 per annum for registration fees for Irish and EU citizens but a lot harder to get into.

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 4:03pm

the_syco wrote: »

ldsolare wrote: »

I work as regulatory specialist in the pharma industry

Have any CEO's of the companies in which you'd like to work in, that are based in the UK, given any warnings about Brexit? I note some businesses have spoken out about the implications of Brexit. Something to look into, I suppose.

Hi syco,
Many thanks for your feedback. Indeed they did publicly and i think it was on the The Times. Some big pharmas threatened the government to expedite the process with bexit because there has been alot of pressures both from investors but also on the business strategies that is slowing them from competing and staying strong on the market. That said, even though the threats can or may worry a bit, i did not see or believe they move out unless it make sense to move out for other reasons. Keep in mind England has a strong hold on at global level apart from the relations it has with commonwealth. Despite its position, England itself is already a massive market and that alone means Money to investors just locally speaking. So in terms of future for England I would say its very uncertain and they took a dark road but definitely its not as easy said and done. If I had to put Malta a very small country some say if they exit from EU it will be better but I personally never been much happier to be part of Europe despite the issues we currently face. I'd rather be part of Europe than lost in the Mediterranean risking being taking over by someone else. Apart from the fact that Malta has now more options for the Maltese to relocate despite the economy has never been stronger. Malta is small and so its people.
So far Ireland is winning but i seriously have to the sum of everything with particular to housing, healthcare, transport and education. 4 topics which seem to be very complex in Ireland compared to UK and Malta in terms of understanding of its systems. Apart from the fact that I see Ireland as a good spot for whoever has a good job. I met Irish people here in Malta funny enough but also work in different sectors they challenged me to reconsider carefully my decision. They believe Malta is much cheaper I dont think so I think it is to be taken case by case and depending what your job involves. Only lucky people who decided to focus on Finance, IT and engineers because i believe wherever they go it always good.

Daisies · 25-07-2018 4:08pm

ldsolare wrote: »

Dear Daisy,
Many thanks for all this feedback. What I can't clearly understand is again when you say everyone can go public. If I can't get a medical card or GP card, how can I go public for free?
Also, if I have an emergency let say i have broken my leg and i don't have the medical card nor the private insurance, what are the expense or is it still free if I go to an A&E Dept? I assume even though it is cheaper for a referral from GP 60euros rather than a 100euros i dont think with a broken leg you to your GP just to save 40euros, no?

Emergency such as you have outlined is covered. And exactly as you said you wouldn't go to the GP just to save 40.

As newbie has outlined, to see a consultant, for a non emergency reason e.g. a stomach issue etc, you can be referred by your G.P., put on a waiting list and be seen at some point (could be a year to 18 months before you are seen). However if you have private health insurance, you will be able to see the consultant a lot quicker. It is a bit of a two tier system but it means that you don't HAVE to have insurance, it just speeds things up

CeilingFly · 25-07-2018 4:13pm

Just on the health issue and hopefully its not often you need it.

The drug payment scheme is standard for everyone. If your prescription medicine costs exceed €134 in a month for the entire family you do not pay over €134. There is no cost associated with being part of the scheme and no "membership", its a statutory entitlement to every person in the country.

If by chance you or a family member had to go to hospital in an emergency there's a fee of €100 - not further fees are due.

If you go to the doctor first and the doctor refers you to the hospital with a referral letter, there is no fee.

The idea is to stop waiting rooms getting crowded with people with minor issues that can be sorted by a local GP.

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 4:13pm

doolox wrote: »

Because your children are all under 10 they will be obliged to learn Irish language at school. Irish language is compulsory in both Elementary (National) and secondary schools up to Leaving Cert level.

You are obliged to obtain at least a pass in Irish in order to enter the National University of Ireland ( NUI ) which accounts for the largest University campuses in the country.

Children over 11 when entering Ireland are granted exemptions to this obligation and they can go to college by obtaining a pass in another language apart from English.

The reality is that Irish is a near - dead language not used in business, administration or every day use, only 50,000 people are native speakers out of a total Irish population of 5 million.

There is however a nationalistic attraction to keeping the language alive by forcing people in school to learn it which does not work for a vast majority of people in school. They quickly stop speaking or using Irish when they leave school, in most cases doing the bare minimum to pass the basic requirements.

You will not have that problem in England where there is only one native language, English, and only 4 subjects to do at Pre-University level, although the standards in each subject at this level is higher than our Leaving Cert, which requires you to do 7 subjects and get high marks in 6 to get into college which can be very competitive. Many students from here go to study courses in England because it is harder to get into colleges in many courses than it is to get into similar courses in England. UK college places are dearer however, costing £UK 9,000 or more per annum for fees alone. Irish colleges are around €3,000 per annum for registration fees for Irish and EU citizens but a lot harder to get into.

I don't mind if they have to learn irish. Here in Malta we usually have to learn 3 languages. Majority have maltese english and italian. some opt for spanish/german/french.
I agree with the issue and importance of the national language. In all honesty its happening in Malta and there has been alot of discussions. The English language is taking over and even between locals are using english. In all honesty I am not disrespectful towards my language but if it wasn't for the english language I wouldn't be here talking with you guys. Moreover the english is vastly used and great to get a job. Might as well focus on what it is practical to use on a daily basis.
About school I think when you refer college i assume you meant universities, correct? Well Malta is somewhere between Ireland and UK. Actually Malta has adopted most of its systems based on ireland and uk

LOL.

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 4:22pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

Just on the health issue and hopefully its not often you need it.

The drug payment scheme is standard for everyone. If your prescription medicine costs exceed €134 in a month for the entire family you do not pay over €134. There is no cost associated with being part of the scheme and no "membership", its a statutory entitlement to every person in the country.

If by chance you or a family member had to go to hospital in an emergency there's a fee of €100 - not further fees are due.

If you go to the doctor first and the doctor refers you to the hospital with a referral letter, there is no fee.

The idea is to stop waiting rooms getting crowded with people with minor issues that can be sorted by a local GP.

Dear CeilingFly,
That is very clear. Thank yoooou

.
Overall regarding healthcare system in Ireland is actually overall free for everyone. However for people who have very low income the state provide fundings to support them with GP/Consultant visits, medciations and medical assistants whether through private or public sectors.
People who exceeds the threshold can still make use of the public service but for GP visits, mediciations and A&E fees will have to be paid with expected long waiting list and I am assuming by long waiting lists both by appointments and unexpected visits at primary healthcares.
So people who exceeds these thresholds either keep using the public service and private service depending on their needs and the treatments like injuries or serious operations etc amd these will still be covered by the state. That said, Private insurances help you to make use for better service.
I think its clear now. I think in reality its only just complicated in ireland

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partyguinness · 25-07-2018 4:23pm

Ive been married in the UK 9 years: -

Cost of Living: UK is cheaper but so are the wages.

Houses: you will pay through the nose in the nice areas. Bishop Stortford is a 'nice' area and very expensive by English standards.

Education: Hit and miss if you leave it to state schools. Quite frankly I still trying to get my head around it. Standards vary and you cannot rock and roll up to a faith school unless you are of the faith. Top schools are very very expensive up to £30k pa in some places. Add another £5-10k for extra school activities.

Class System: Still very much endemic. Everyone should know their place and not have notions.

Healthcare: UK- fine if you can plan ahead getting ill say 2-3 weeks in advance. I've been extremely lucky- in 9 years I have never once had to visit a GP but my 2 kids have had to and children are seen to straight away

Food- way better in Ireland.

Retail- Ireland. It's all mundane chain stores with same rubbish- no individuality.

Social Scene-No comparison, Ireland but having said that far more variety in events, concerts, sport etc in England.

The Irish are more friendly and you will find making friends in Ireland easier and the Irish will make an effort to make you feel at home and to integrate you- obviously you will have to get out and make an effort.

The English by and large stick to themselves and while polite and courteous are not naturally friendly. If you try to strike up a conversation with a random English person they will just look horrified and move off. Even if you have a friendly chat 5 minutes later they will look straight through you rather than acknowledge you.

England is far bigger place with a much more complex society and more opportunities as a result. Very cosmopolitan and a melting pot for all sorts.

But the commute to work is a killer and expensive. Check trains, subways etc.

partyguinness · 25-07-2018 4:32pm

doolox wrote: »

You will not have that problem in England where there is only one native language, English, and only 4 subjects to do at Pre-University level, although the standards in each subject at this level is higher than our Leaving Cert, which requires you to do 7 subjects and get high marks in 6 to get into college which can be very competitive. Many students from here go to study courses in England because it is harder to get into colleges in many courses than it is to get into similar courses in England. UK college places are dearer however, costing £UK 9,000 or more per annum for fees alone. Irish colleges are around €3,000 per annum for registration fees for Irish and EU citizens but a lot harder to get into.

Don't assume this is the case in all areas especially inner city areas.

You may find yourself in a class room where English is the second language of many of the children and teachers having difficulties teaching in English as some pupils cannot understand. This has adverse knock on effects with other pupils.

My friend's daughter is the only 'white' pupil in her class of 30. Wheres my son in a different school 10 miles away has no non-whites in his class.

I regularly meet people who have lived here 30 odd years and cannot string a sentence together in English.

CeilingFly · 25-07-2018 4:33pm

ldsolare wrote: »

Dear CeilingFly,
That is very clear. Thank yoooou .
Overall regarding healthcare system in Ireland is actually overall free for everyone. However for people who have very low income the state provide fundings to support them with GP/Consultant visits, medciations and medical assistants whether through private or public sectors.
People who exceeds the threshold can still make use of the public service but for GP visits, mediciations and A&E fees will have to be paid with expected long waiting list and I am assuming by long waiting lists both by appointments and unexpected visits at primary healthcares.
So people who exceeds these thresholds either keep using the public service and private service depending on their needs and the treatments like injuries or serious operations etc amd these will still be covered by the state. That said, Private insurances help you to make use for better service.
I think its clear now. I think in reality its only just complicated in ireland .

that's about it. If its an emergency there's no waiting list, that's more to do with less urgent issues and can be circumvented with private heath insurance (not overly expensive - €2,000 a year will get you a good plan and many companies offer it as a perk of the job)

partyguinness wrote: »

Healthcare: UK- fine if you can plan ahead getting ill say 2-3 weeks in advance.

I think that statement sums up the UK system very well

partyguinness · 25-07-2018 4:38pm

I would say that if I had a choice between raising a family in UK or Ireland- it is Ireland without a doubt and I am not being biased.

Look at it this way:

I have met plenty of English people in Ireland who have moved to Ireland for a better quality of life and to raise their children there.

I have yet to meet an Irish person who moved to the UK for a better quality of life.

Work/employment/economic factors of course but not for a better quality of life.

England is a hard place to live and get by. I wouldn't fancy being down on my luck here that's for sure.

partyguinness · 25-07-2018 4:54pm

ldsolare wrote: »

I don't mind if they have to learn irish. Here in Malta we usually have to learn 3 languages. Majority have maltese english and italian. some opt for spanish/german/french.
I agree with the issue and importance of the national language. In all honesty its happening in Malta and there has been alot of discussions. The English language is taking over and even between locals are using english. In all honesty I am not disrespectful towards my language but if it wasn't for the english language I wouldn't be here talking with you guys. Moreover the english is vastly used and great to get a job. Might as well focus on what it is practical to use on a daily basis.
About school I think when you refer college i assume you meant universities, correct? Well Malta is somewhere between Ireland and UK. Actually Malta has adopted most of its systems based on ireland and uk LOL.

That's good to hear. I do hear that some non Irish national school pupils (Polish etc) are very enthusiastic about learning Gaelic.

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 6:22pm

Just one last question. Can anyone tell me the cons and pros between Kildare village and Greystone?

Choc Chip · 25-07-2018 7:07pm

This thread is hilarious. Unsurprisingly, on an Irish forum everyone is predominantly in favour of Ireland. However, I'm baffled that you can claim Irish Education is better (have you seen the University rankings?) or that the cost of living is on-par - the UK is miles cheaper for food, clothes, pharmaceuticals, cars... etc. etc. etc.

Also, Irish food is better? That's an interesting blanket statement when there are 11 Michelin Star restaurants in Ireland compared to about 160 in the UK.

I also have differing opinions about healthcare, social life, shopping - I think all have objectively better options in certain places in the UK compared to Ireland, just as a function of the country being bigger. My main worry moving to the UK now would be Brexit.

I love it in Ireland. I live here because my friends are here and there is better work here in my field. I love my job, I love the countryside and I love the culture. I'm not getting into an argument about which country is "better". They're different. But the opinions here, by and large, don't reflect my experiences in either country.

Rhys Essien · 25-07-2018 8:41pm

ldsolare wrote: »

Just one last question. Can anyone tell me the cons and pros between Kildare village and Greystone?

Cork is the Pharma Capital of Ireland.The majority of the major companies are based here.A lot are recruiting at the moment.Rent and property is cheaper than around the Dublin area and you won’t have the same hassle with the crazy traffic to and from work.

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 8:42pm

Choc Chip wrote: »

This thread is hilarious. Unsurprisingly, on an Irish forum everyone is predominantly in favour of Ireland. However, I'm baffled that you can claim Irish Education is better (have you seen the University rankings?) or that the cost of living is on-par - the UK is miles cheaper for food, clothes, pharmaceuticals, cars... etc. etc. etc.

Also, Irish food is better? That's an interesting blanket statement when there are 11 Michelin Star restaurants in Ireland compared to about 160 in the UK.

I also have differing opinions about healthcare, social life, shopping - I think all have objectively better options in certain places in the UK compared to Ireland, just as a function of the country being bigger. My main worry moving to the UK now would be Brexit.

I love it in Ireland. I live here because my friends are here and there is better work here in my field. I love my job, I love the countryside and I love the culture. I'm not getting into an argument about which country is "better". They're different. But the opinions here, by and large, don't reflect my experiences in either country.

Hi Choc Chip,
Many thanks for your feedback. I am always happy different views. Even though i felt that support over irish education i don't think they are entirely wrong. My overall conclusion on the current feedback is that I should not be worried too much about the standard level of education up to secondary education in ireland because overall they are good. So this is what I got from the posts so far in general. As for the universities I basically agree with you. I myself have graduation from UK and I believe they provide very good level of education. Also the diversity of education at high levels. Overall I think Ireland provide good overall level and more cheaper to get your bachelors but Uk should win.
I totally agree Uk has an overall value for money on groceries, medicine etc.. given that the size of the country. I know because I live in Malta and I clearly see the difference between a small and large country.
About the food I think probably you misled or misunderstood from some of the comments. I understood the overall quality product versus price. It can be true that you may get a more genuine quality product in ireland. Keep in mind (excluding restaurants) that england has to cater a higher volume. I might be wrong but I am only speaking in general because definitely England is too big to judge as a whole. Based on my experience if I had to judge the restaurants i went in both countries for middle range and not one star michelin I choose Ireland. But this only based on my experience. I visited alot of places in Ireland and UK and I only judge the mid range for overall quality product versus its value.
Definitely I agree with healthcare, social life and shopping. Overall I prefer to be assure I have free healthcare and pay extra for better service rather than pay extra because i don't have that service. Social life true but only depends what the person wants and I think its very personal. Shopping they are very similar but I can only share that my experience with UK is that you may have better bargains during sales.
Brexit hmmm

. I have many friends in UK and family too. We hear alot of negativity on the news but I have spoken with many of these and even though i felt that uncertainty a lot of them are not thinking to move out. the majority believe that some how they will manage to go through it.
What job you have that is really better in UK? I honestly don't think there is a better job than UK. Maybe the cultural atmosphere at work vary but i dont there is something more to it. I think overall even though I'm half british half maltese my heart is telling Ireland would be a better fit for a family but a better fit if you are career focused. Lets keep in mind there are more irish moved to uk than the other way round so lets be realistic.
All in all i am more happy to hear more different opinions. the more i hear the more i strengthen my decision.

CeilingFly · 25-07-2018 8:51pm

On shopping, kildare wins. Kildare outlet centre has over 100 discount outlet shops and is expanding futher.

Though with 3 kids and a wife it may end up being very expensive having so many stores on the doorstep!! &#55357;&#56833;

The other positive is that there are always loads of partime jobs there if your wife wants some "adult time" and earn a few quid. Having additional languages is a big plus for some of the stores.

ldsolare · 25-07-2018 8:56pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

ldsolare wrote: »

Just one last question. Can anyone tell me the cons and pros between Kildare village and Greystone?

Cork is the Pharma Capital of Ireland.The majority of the major companies are based here.A lot are recruiting at the moment.Rent and property is cheaper than around the Dublin area and you won’t have the same hassle with the crazy traffic to and from work.

Dear Rhys,
Do you say cork is the captial for the Pharma industry because you also work in the pharma? I agree with traffic and renting but i have been doing my research and I've made a lot of research but still seem that Dublin provide more job opportunities around the capitol.
In all honesty I did have a lot of second thoughts about it because i definitely agreed regarding the traffics and more over the property prices etc... I was even considering waterford which is very nice over all.
Please challenge my argument if you can proof me wrong. I work as regulatory affairs specialist. I see opportunities in both cities but some times its not just about opportunities its also competition and how much chances you'd get the job.

CeilingFly · 25-07-2018 9:25pm

Cork is very much the manufacturing capital for pharma.

Ringaskiddy in particular. (viagra

) https://www.siliconrepublic.com/careers/biotech-pharma-companies-ireland

And Cork is quite different to everywhere else in Ireland (nickname the Republic of Cork)

Ask in the Cork thread and you'll see what I mean. Possibly it's a good match for you esp if you're into sailing.

Rhys Essien · 25-07-2018 9:26pm

ldsolare wrote: »

Dear Rhys,
Do you say cork is the captial for the Pharma industry because you also work in the pharma? I agree with traffic and renting but i have been doing my research and I've made a lot of research but still seem that Dublin provide more job opportunities around the capitol.
In all honesty I did have a lot of second thoughts about it because i definitely agreed regarding the traffics and more over the property prices etc... I was even considering waterford which is very nice over all.
Please challenge my argument if you can proof me wrong. I work as regulatory affairs specialist. I see opportunities in both cities but some times its not just about opportunities its also competition and how much chances you'd get the job.

Some of my friends work in Pharma.A lot of recruitment going on at the moment in Cork.Like most capital cities,would you really want the needless stress and pressure to live and work in Dublin when you could earn the same in Cork,save some money,and go home and enjoy the beauty of the countryside.Just type West Cork into Google images if you don’t believe me and check property prices on daft.ie versus Dublin prices.

Whatever you decide,best of luck.

Relocating to Ireland or UK!!!!!!!! HELP

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