Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

ancapailldorcha

oscarBravo wrote: »

And if you want to be a bigot, go ahead and knock yourself out, but for the love of jebus will you man up and own it instead of whining about being called out on it?

It really is pathetic constantly having to experience grown men acting like whipped children simply because someone had the audacity to call them out on the BS they've been spreading and maybe used a word they didn't like while doing so.

If a single word is sufficient to shut down one's concerns then said concerns aren't worth thinking about.

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

It seems to be heavily suggested online that it was.
Could they really be so stupid to release a video which was also broadcast live?
I can't imagine they would be. I mean seriously?

Are the people they want to convince going to check the veracity?

ancapailldorcha

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

If a single word is sufficient to shut down one's concerns then said concerns aren't worth thinking about.

Ugh, Jesus. It doesn't shut down their concerns. How can so many people not get this? Their concerns are still there and if someone confirms an obvious fact they'll gravitate in that direction.
People generally aren't as informed as people who spend a lot of time on a politics forum. People generally can vote though.
I thought a few times over the past couple of years that maybe the left would cop itself on but it still isn't happening, if anything it's getting worse. And I say that as a fairly traditional liberal/lefty.

Tell me how

Deleted User wrote: »

Are the people they want to convince going to check the veracity?

They didn't need a video for those people. They had them at "Give us your pass Jim".

demfad

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't disagree. They are an issue. And I'm fine to say that they are.
EDIT: If you meant Orthodox in the religious sense I didn't get that. :pac: The common denominator between the Turks/Iraqis/Indians/Pakistanis caught in these rings is Islam. In other crimes and cases where there is a common denominator it should never be denied.

A common denominator between Eastern Human traffickers could be Orthodox religion. However the commonality between almost all violence against women and sexual abuse is deep misogyny. Ironically the Trump's and Farage's of this world suffer from it. Trump has 15-16 claims of sexual assault against him including a case of allegedly raping a 13 year old minor with convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
Weinstein used the Israeli firm Black Cube to intimidate/threaten/hurt his victims who might testify. Cambridge Analytica used them also for their operations and set ups. I recall 'Stormy Daniels' mentioning an incident where she and her child were threatened over Trump.
Many of the men Trump associates with have this attribute.

demfad

demfad wrote: »

A common denominator between Eastern Human traffickers could be Orthodox religion.

I thought the now EU states in Eastern Europe were mostly Catholic.

However the commonality between almost all violence against women and sexual abuse is deep misogyny.

Yet the muslim rape gangs in England only targeted non-Muslim girls.

Ironically the Trump's and Farage's of this world suffer from it. Trump has 15-16 claims of sexual assault against him including a case of allegedly raping a 13 year old minor with convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
Weinstein used the Israeli firm Black Cube to intimidate/threaten/hurt his victims who might testify. Cambridge Analytica used them also for their operations and set ups. I recall 'Stormy Daniels' mentioning an incident where she and her child were threatened over Trump.
Many of the men Trump associates with have this attribute.

Yup, pieces of ****.

everlast75

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Travellers commit a disproportionately higher amount of crimes than settled people

I'm curious...

If you believe that to be true, what is the cause of this disproportional higher amount of crime?

I want to understand where you are coming from.

Pussyhands

everlast75 wrote: »

I'm curious...

If you believe that to be true, what is the cause of this disproportional higher amount of crime?

I want to understand where you are coming from.

What's the cause? Kids growing up looking at their auld lads who taught them that's the right thing to do.

Kids are taken out of school and lined up to marry their cousin as soon as possible.

BabyCheeses

Another day ending in day, another white male shooter in California. We really should look into that travel ban.


As a white male I condemn any violence. There's a few people here who I hope are being watched before they get the chance to continue imitating their American masters.

dr.fuzzenstein

everlast75 wrote: »

I'm curious...

If you believe that to be true, what is the cause of this disproportional higher amount of crime?

I want to understand where you are coming from.

Well, the principle is this.
If car insurance for men is more expensive, it's an utter outrage and discrimination. It's the biggest injustice in the history of mankind. Because it may be statistically more likely that a young, male driver has a crash, but it doesn't mean that every male, young driver is going to have a crash. So this discrimination based on sex and age was quickly overturned.
But the very same people saying "all Muslims, travellers, women, etc..." that is perfectly fine and acceptable.
And just throwing the phrase"Muslim Rape Gangs" around, get the fcuk over yourself.

WinnyThePoo

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes they do.
They make you a realist.

This gave me this the biggest chuckle of today.

I understand the want for 'alternative' and skewed interpretations of the world to be respected. Unfortunately that's not how the world works. You can kick and scream all you like. It doesn't matter. Rationale and logic will win out.

Walter Bishop

The latest shooter was a former Marine so I guess it'll be chalked off to PTSD and therefore the lib's fault because they don't support 'the troops'. Thoughts and prayers etc.

mcmoustache

everlast75 wrote: »

I'm curious...

If you believe that to be true, what is the cause of this disproportional higher amount of crime?

I want to understand where you are coming from.

Erm, Eric's not wrong there. We have ESRI stats that demonstrate it.

As for the causes, many aspects of traveller culture aren't conducive to getting out of poverty and poverty is highly correlated with criminality across many cultures, including non-traveller Irish.

The aspects of their culture that I would consider not to be conducive would include:

Early Marriage restricting educational opportunities.
Nomadic lifestyle restricting educational opportunities.
Glorification of violent behaviour leading to discipline problems in school restricting educational opportunities.

This is all a bit off-topic but I think it's clear enough that the lifestyle they lead creates poverty that creates crime.

ancapailldorcha

Deleted User wrote: »

Ugh, Jesus. It doesn't shut down their concerns. How can so many people not get this? Their concerns are still there and if someone confirms an obvious fact they'll gravitate in that direction.
People generally aren't as informed as people who spend a lot of time on a politics forum. People generally can vote though.
I thought a few times over the past couple of years that maybe the left would cop itself on but it still isn't happening, if anything it's getting worse. And I say that as a fairly traditional liberal/lefty.

It's not rhetoric I use myself. It's part of the usual tropes that are trotted out.

How said concerns are articulated is important. If it's the usual "They call me racist" line then that's usually accompanied by what I can most politely describe as opinions which are unlikely to be true.

You're right in that most people don't frequent Politics fora. In that same vein, however most people don't whine on and on about being called racist if they aren't fanatical about open door immigration. It's very much part of Twitter-fuelled, US-style identity politics.

Liberals aren't going to make traction until they can find a way to debate people who dismiss opinions and facts they don't like as fake news. Obviously, there's some of that on the left as well of course but Conservatives don't usually bother trying to talk to lefties.

dr.fuzzenstein

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, the principle is this.
If car insurance for men is more expensive, it's an utter outrage and discrimination. It's the biggest injustice in the history of mankind. Because it may be statistically more likely that a young, male driver has a crash, but it doesn't mean that every male, young driver is going to have a crash. So this discrimination based on sex and age was quickly overturned.
But the very same people saying "all Muslims, travellers, women, etc..." that is perfectly fine and acceptable.

Who is saying all? A perfect example of hysteria.

And just throwing the phrase"Muslim Rape Gangs" around, get the fcuk over yourself.

No, I used the phrase in an argument. You're using it as a plea to emotion.

dr.fuzzenstein

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Who is saying all? A perfect example of hysteria.

No, I used the phrase in an argument. You're using it as a plea to emotion.

On, what about Nasi skinhead gangs to echo the entirety of your argument. :rolleyes:

dr.fuzzenstein

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

On, what about Nasi skinhead gangs.

Literal whataboutery.

dr.fuzzenstein

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Literal whataboutery.

Exactly. I'm glad you can see your argument for what it is.

Itssoeasy

So I see Jim Acosta of CNN has been banned from the White House for allegedly puttting his hands on a White House intern. I mean "putting hands on" to me suggests there is a deliberate motion or act to do that when in the video it shows the intern trying to take the mic away from him(which is what she was supposed to do) and maybe he should have given her the mic, but in no way did he assault her in any way(as I've seen suggested)He apologised in real time when his arm made inadvertent content with hers.

Manic Moran

Walter Bishop wrote: »

The latest shooter was a former Marine so I guess it'll be chalked off to PTSD and therefore the lib's fault because they don't support 'the troops'. Thoughts and prayers etc.

Remains to be seen. He shot up a line dancing bar, which is likely to be equally white and conservative so race and politics are not likely a part of it. For all we know, it’s another “Incel”

Sometimes there is no particular reason. Remember someone shot Reagan in a “notice me Sempai” moment, and I still don’t think there are any likely theories for Las Vegas.

Itssoeasy

Also the shooting in California, I mean is there a point in me or anyone here trying to make sense of it and suggest solutions ? The majority of us are based in Ireland or not America so until they themselves decide to change in some way then it's pointless.

Also, while I disagree with tucker carlson on everything and find him very unlikable what those "protesters" did outside his house and then apparently inside his house to the point where his wife was scared for her life deserve a phunt up the hole. You can disagree with someone without resorting to that carry on.

Walter Bishop

We all know what the solution is, it's just that law makers in the US are too dependent on gun lobby money to get elected.

So The Onion get to run out the 'No Way to Prevent This, Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens'a article again.

ELM327

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

This gave me this the biggest chuckle of today.

I understand the want for 'alternative' and skewed interpretations of the world to be respected. Unfortunately that's not how the world works. You can kick and scream all you like. It doesn't matter. Rationale and logic will win out.

"inclusion at all costs"

"socialism by hook or by crook"


There you go, kicking and screaming.


As for your rationale and logic will win out comment, unfortunately there is a dearth of exactly that in a large subset of the general populous so I doubt it tbh. We're stuck with this liberal nonsense for a while yet.

demfad

Manic Moran wrote: »

Remains to be seen. He shot up a line dancing bar, which is likely to be equally white and conservative so race and politics are not likely a part of it. For all we know, it’s another “Incel”

Sometimes there is no particular reason. Remember someone shot Reagan in a “notice me Sempai” moment, and I still don’t think there are any likely theories for Las Vegas.

History of domestic violence is present in the majority of these cases. Same as for Trump, Bannon and many of the people surrounding them. That's another reason why we should fear Trump's willingness to strike out on a massive scale to proect himself or bring the world down with him.

Edit: He was a marine: Police were called to his house for a Domestic incident in April.

hill16bhoy

everlast75 wrote: »

To be honest, I clocked out after that. You're either using that phrase as a lame attempt to wind people up in a Donald Trump thread, or you have a stunning lack of self-awareness.

Jesus

I find that by far the best way to read Eric Cartman's posts is through the voice of Eric Cartman.

circadian

demfad wrote: »

History of domestic violence is present in the majority of these cases. Same as for Trump, Bannon and many of the people surrounding them. That's another reason why we should fear Trump's willingness to strike out on a massive scale to proect himself or bring the world down with him.

I'm becoming quickly convinced that we will be watching the world burn in the very near future. The last two days has really kicked things up a gear or two.

Dannyriver

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So I see Jim Acosta of CNN has been banned from the White House for allegedly puttting his hands on a White House intern. I mean "putting hands on" to me suggests there is a deliberate motion or act to do that when in the video it shows the intern trying to take the mic away from him(which is what she was supposed to do) and maybe he should have given her the mic, but in no way did he assault her in any way(as I've seen suggested)He apologised in real time when his arm made inadvertent content with hers.

More importantly the girl at no stage reacted like someone who had just been assaulted...this is trump behaving in the very way he bangs on about liberal snowflakes. As if he gives two ****s about that intern. Come on seriously I'm a liberal and I've np problem saying that US foreign foreign policy under Obama was heinous. Why do Trump supporters just back him over and over and over. If anyone here who supports him had him as a boss they d despise his narcissism. Irish people supporting this man child is becoming increasingly embarrassing.

dr.fuzzenstein

ELM327 wrote: »

"inclusion at all costs"

"socialism by hook or by crook"


There you go, kicking and screaming.


As for your rationale and logic will win out comment, unfortunately there is a dearth of exactly that in a large subset of the general populous so I doubt it tbh. We're stuck with this liberal nonsense for a while yet.

Yes, where are the good old times where you could call black people n*****s and boy, you could spit at poor people and go home and give your wife a damn good thrashing.
This liberal nonsense of equal rights for everyone really is a lot of horsedung, isn't it?

hill16bhoy

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Also the shooting in California, I mean is there a point in me or anyone here trying to make sense of it and suggest solutions ? The majority of us are based in Ireland or not America so until they themselves decide to change in some way then it's pointless.

Here's a mad solution, which obviously has absolutely no chance of ever happening.

Ban guns.

"Oh, but you're a European, you simply don't understand America. The second amendment is one of our most cherished freedoms."

"I bet if you banned guns there would be a lot less gun deaths."

"That's far too simplistic. You don't understand the culture."

"Yes, I do. I understand that your gun culture is totally insane. Not only can the rest of the world see it but most of your own country can see it."

"The framers of our consti-toooo-shun were visionaries. They understood that a well armed militia is the only protection against tyranny."

"You have a tyrant in the White House. And your "militias" are fanatical supporters of him."

"But such a ban would never get through Congress."

"Well, start voting for better politicians."

"But there would be civil war over it."

"Well, it's highly unlikely to be any worse than it is now, because as it is you're going around shooting the bejaysus out of each other. 13,000 gun deaths a year. That's 130,000 in a decade. Since the Iraq War, it's over 200,000 dead."


I know. It's so simplistic. And so obvious. So obvious that it's staring America in the face.

And I bet anything it would work a hell of a lot better than the gun laws there work now.

Ban. Fooking. Guns.

And ammo, while you're at it.

prawnsambo

They could start by implementing a proper licensing regime. Like the rest of the world has.